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Sapientia RMB

WA Delegate (non-executive): The Haters of Illinois Nazis of Chuck Norris Haters (elected )

Founder: The Noocracy of Fontelian

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Most World Assembly Endorsements: 63rd Most Rebellious Youth: 401st Most Influential: 683rd+24
Best Weather: 704th Most Beautiful Environments: 715th Most Cultured: 755th Largest Welfare Programs: 767th Most Eco-Friendly Governments: 777th Most Cheerful Citizens: 806th Nicest Citizens: 827th Most Compassionate Citizens: 930th Most Advanced Public Education: 973rd Largest Publishing Industry: 1,040th Highest Economic Output: 1,071st Longest Average Lifespans: 1,120th Largest Black Market: 1,132nd Smartest Citizens: 1,203rd Most Nations: 1,237th Largest Populations: 1,283rd Most Extensive Public Healthcare: 1,333rd Most Popular Tourist Destinations: 1,467th Most Advanced Public Transport: 1,616th Healthiest Citizens: 1,625th Largest Governments: 1,665th Most Inclusive: 1,694th Most Developed: 1,697th Most Scientifically Advanced: 2,129th
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Multitudo Sapientium Sanitas OrbisOrta Recens Quam Pura Nites
A multitude of the wise is the health of the worldNewly risen, how brightly you shine!



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Embassies: Imperial Britain, Pisces Centauri, Caprecia, 00000 A World Power, and The Bar on the corner of every region.

Tags: Neutral, Medium, and Isolationist.

Regional Power: Moderate

Sapientia contains 12 nations, the 1,237th most in the world.

Today's World Census Report

The Smartest Citizens in Sapientia

The World Census eavesdropped on conversations in coffee shops, on campuses, and around cinemas in order to determine which nations have the most quick-witted, insightful, and knowledgeable citizens.

As a region, Sapientia is ranked 1,203rd in the world for Smartest Citizens.

NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Filipinocracia of Pasong TiradLeft-wing Utopia“England is my city”
2.The Philosopher Kings of The Rising AuraCivil Rights Lovefest“Par la sagesse et le raisonnement, nous avançons.”
3.The United Empire of Earth Belle HadesLeft-Leaning College State“Compromise is the reason the bad guys win.”
4.The Federated Municipalities of KetchuplandLeft-wing Utopia“We have no border fence”
5.The Noocracy of FontelianCivil Rights Lovefest“So much for pathos”
6.The Infected Ileum of RoborussiaLeft-Leaning College State“You gotta make way for the robo superior.”
7.The Haters of Illinois Nazis of Chuck Norris HatersCivil Rights Lovefest“I hate the Illinois Nazis”
8.The Gorgeous Highlands of 1Golden RetrieverLeft-Leaning College State“Soft Brown eyes, golden fur, what more do you need?”
9.The Sovereign Military Order of ZoterikInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Fidei defensor”
10.The Republic of CuldroseNew York Times Democracy“Moderation is the key”
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Recent polls: “Martin Luther King Day”“Philosophy III”

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Sapientia Regional Message Board

I intentionally left out such distinctions. Of course everything is variable, yet both answers are true and neither is false. That's the trick. Having an option be "It depends" ruins the point of the debate.

You mentioned the cells in the body and changing of raw materials. But if we take that a step further and imagine the physical consciousness is isolated and put into a robot or computer, is that still the same person? After all, we sometimes say "you've changed" or "I don't recognize you anymore" to someone whose friendship or companionship we no longer desire, so that adds another layer of complexity. Then consider a knife used in a murder which has had all its component parts replaced. The blade which stabbed and the handle which was grasped are now removed, just as in a human who has a hip replacement.

These were the conversations I was hoping to encourage. Seems like there's not too much interest in them, though.

Edit: Responding to CNH, as GR and I posted almost simultaneously.

Zoterik wrote:I intentionally left out such distinctions. Of course everything is variable, yet both answers are true and neither is false. That's the trick. Having an option be "It depends" ruins the point of the debate.

You mentioned the cells in the body and changing of raw materials. But if we take that a step further and imagine the physical consciousness is isolated and put into a robot or computer, is that still the same person? After all, we sometimes say "you've changed" or "I don't recognize you anymore" to someone whose friendship or companionship we no longer desire, so that adds another layer of complexity. Then consider a knife used in a murder which has had all its component parts replaced. The blade which stabbed and the handle which was grasped are now removed, just as in a human who has a hip replacement.

I'll answer your questions anyway

Physical consciousness removed and put into a robot:
Well, I am guessing you are imagining a single unit soul like the Abrahamics believe, not the 7-part of the Olde Norse, but I will take it as it's offered, pagan style.

If you take my soul (the part that corresponds most with the Abrahamic view thereof) and place that consciousness into the robot, I would, in many ways, become the robot and the robot would become me. My awareness, my fylgia, my wyrd, all would be tied into the robot. (I am going to guess in this case that my wyrd is to become a robot, how interesting that would be) and thus yes, I would be the same "person" but in a different body. This is a odd variation on the reincarnation bit, but why not?

As for "you've changed" well, we are human, we do change and evolve who and what we are. That is because we are sentient creatures with a wyrd and very often in order to grow and develop, we have to alter who we are while remaining the same. It's more a figure of speech than a literal change, although if I do become a robot with a human soul of me, you have every right to tell me that I've changed and I'll likely agree with you to some point, then point out that my wyrd, fylgia, (which is a sort of spirit animal, btw) and ancestry lineage have not changed, nor my faith in the goddesses. Then you'd likely say, yep, that's still her.

Now, let's move on to the knife analogy. A knife is created by humans, not the divine, and so it has no animating soul-spirit of its own. We can put energy into a knife but we can not, as yet, give it a fully fledged soul. At least not in my view. So once the knife has been broken apart and replaced with other bits and pieces, it is a completely new knife with a new set of energies, and no longer the knife that murdered someone. That other knife now exists as its broken apart pieces, with the mucky energy of murder now thrown into the mix.

For the first time I'm taking advantage of my poll-making abilities. Today's question: should workers get a day off on MLK Day? This one arises from the fact that observance in the workplace varies a lot. Some don't get the day off (me), some get the day off conditionally (example: my girlfriend is given the choice to have a day off on either MLK Day or Columbus Day, but not both), and some do get the day off. As the newest national holiday, its importance is obviously still contested.

My own opinion: yes, all workers should get the day off. In principle, workers should have as many holidays as they can get. We work too much, and I don't want workplaces trying to regress in their holiday observances.

Anyway, have at it, and I hope you guys had a good long weekend if you had one!

Thanks for making this poll, KL! Great idea to do one about federal holidays like this, and very relevant for families, especially when they have to arrange daycare for children who are off school.

In principle, I agree with you: workers should have as many holidays as they can get. But in practice, this doesn't work so well to say that all workers should get the day off. It doesn't even work well to say that all federal employees should get the day off. Many jobs are necessary: emergency services such as firemen, police, and doctors still need to be ready to work at a moment's notice and/or maintain their usual work patterns so society doesn't completely crumble on holidays. There are also convenience store workers and grocery store employees who might work fewer hours, but still be working so that people who need snacks for their children at home can go get some. To that we could say that people should prepare and buy their snacks ahead of time, but then there are situations in which a pipe might burst in a school and urgent repairs are needed so the students can return to class as usual the next day.

To give it a more personal touch: my grandmother died early Tuesday morning. Most of our family was able to be with her on Monday at the hospital, and while we all took the day off anyway regardless of its status as a holiday, we remain incredibly grateful to the hospital and hospice staff and to the priest who administered Last Rites, for whom MLK Jr. Day was just another Monday.

So I don't know how to answer. I agree in principle with KL, but I think "as many holidays as they can get" should come in the form of more paid vacation days for workers. For that reason I'm choosing the middle option, even though that isn't exactly what I've argued here.

Floating holidays > made up holidays.

Other than certain days like Thanksgiving and Christmas where the vast majority of clients/customers aren't going to want to do anything on those days either, mandated holidays are silly because their timing is completely arbitrary and just acts to disrupt business and disappoint clients/customers. Giving floating holidays instead of having days like MLK and Labor day be mandated holidays is better for workers because they can choose whatever day they like and better for clients/customers because a whole business doesn't shut down for a whole day.

That said, I had a paid holiday and I was definitely happy about it, but I do feel that I would be happier overall if I could have another vacation day instead.

Fun fact: I've been banned from the region whose embassy request I rejected. Whatever.

The people who implemented the ban can consider themselves banned. Thus if I am banned by the banned who banned you, then I will in turn ban the banners who banned me for banning the banners who banned you in the first place.

One amusing side-effect of all these embassy requests is to give us the illusion of activity.

So at my pagan group on Thursday we were doing lessons on role playing and how they can help enhance our magick. Basically the gist of it was that by creating a role playing avatar of yourself, you can channel the energy of that other "you" and grow as an individual. It reminded me of how NS works, and how it has always been for us. It seems to me that we were less about countries and nations and more about rp and spam games and developing our characters, and however they interacted was how the region went.

Back then, I really needed that. Gluten poisoning was making my head all funny and I had trouble interacting on a regular basis with people face to face, so having a place to go online meant that I could have friends and enjoy myself with an online group where I belonged, without the fuss that went with actually being near people. And it was and still is a wonderful thing.

Now that I am finally cured of my gluten ataxia, provided I never eat another doughnut or kitkat as long as I live, or even a milky way bar, I can live out in the "real world" and be as cool as GR was here. So I find it fascinating how that lesson had been so true and I did end up becoming more like my character self. Does anyone else here have a similar experience, how we have grown more like or even not like the "characters" we became for the sake of Sapientia? I also know I never drink hot chocolate without thinking of this place.

That's an interesting question. For my part, I know I started becoming less politically liberal during my several terms as President and started going towards statism. Now I'm drifting away from that as well, after experiencing the reality of statist countries. Away from politics, I don't know of too many developments that are directly attributable to NS and Sapientia. Though quiet and introspective, I never did have too much trouble talking with people, so that wasn't an issue, and my self-confidence really developed from living on my own overseas.

I do, however, use Somethingism as a way to describe religion at times. It seems to connect with a lot of people who believe in something, but just haven't clarified it yet. Also it neatly removes any need for clarity. And while I do drink hot chocolate without thinking of Sapientia, I can't drink Brandy Alexanders without thinking of the Hat and Harebox (thank you, The Malamutes!). That has become my after-dinner cocktail of choice, on the rare occasions that I find myself at a place that knows what it is.

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