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I know a lot of you are from red states, but we are still legally required to wear masks in stores, and I take mine off just to show I dont give a crap. They usually dont do anything (the workers just wear it to make a point it is the policy and to show the law it is their policy, but I am guessing they wouldnt go up to me and ask me to put on my mask). I saw a video of a doctor comparing masks to a "chain link fence". People want 2 masks. Now 3. Now there's a "new strain". It will never end. Take off your damn mask. You dont look cute with it on, you look like a weirdo.

[Sorry, my connection made me post that twice so I had to delete one [me pressing "lodge" again while I already pressed lodge and its loading]]

Warm Greetings,

The RCN is hosting their 1st year anniversary on the 2nd of May.

From the 30th of April to the 2nd of May we shall be hosting a three day festival of fun, games and other events.

We cordially invite members of this region, as we share embassies to partake in this special event.

West Phoenicia:

President of the Republic of Conservative Nations.

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGSB7Zh2F1A

LOL. the "East side" refers to our town's ghetto. The actual fighting starts around the second half. That cop was fired and charged with assault, I thought it was kind of awesome though

....Probably because that's pretty clearly assault.

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:Sorry to hear about that. Don't worry though, like the flu, it is extremely unlikely to hurt you unless you are old (like your family member) or very unhealthy. My sister got it, and she lost her taste for a week.

Flu cases dropped dramatically and deaths were actually less in 2020 than in 2019: in other words, covid is kind of just crap. It is basically just the flu

We can print up more money to support our shutdown until our dollar is worthless though (this sentence is not directed at you).

1 question: do you think you will always go to Hell if you aren't a Christian/aren't baptised (like your family member)?

Really not the best time for a COVID argument dude.

we have a capital city! its name was "Karama" same as the name "Caterama"

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:1 question: do you think you will always go to Hell if you aren't a Christian/aren't baptised (like your family member)?

Ignoring the rest of this poorly conceived post, the traditional Christian and Catholic answer is a 100% no. Christ frees all his friends from 'Hell' and this includes the just who served him and recognize him at death even if they didn't 'know' him in life. A great example of this is in The Last Battle by C.S. Lewis, where a Tash-serving Calormen solider is saved. There is also such a thing as 'baptism by desire'.

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:1 question: do you think you will always go to Hell if you aren't a Christian/aren't baptised (like your family member)?

I can't tell you the traditional Catholic answer, but I can tell you the Biblical answer.

“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in [Jesus]. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭3:18‬

“There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” - Acts ‭4:12

“The jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.”” - Acts‬ ‭16:29-31

“He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭1:10-12

“But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)

“God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” - Ephesians‬ ‭2:4-5, 8-9

I could continue, but do I need to? God's Word is clear on who needs salvation and how it is acquired. You can either believe it or believe some other teaching in place of it.

Roborian wrote:....Probably because that's pretty clearly assault.

I didnt say it wasn't

Phydios wrote:I can't tell you the traditional Catholic answer, but I can tell you the Biblical answer.

“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in [Jesus]. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭3:18‬

“There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” - Acts ‭4:12

“The jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.”” - Acts‬ ‭16:29-31

“He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭1:10-12

“But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)

“God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” - Ephesians‬ ‭2:4-5, 8-9

I could continue, but do I need to? God's Word is clear on who needs salvation and how it is acquired. You can either believe it or believe some other teaching in place of it.

So which book of the bible is your favorite

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:Ignoring the rest of this poorly conceived post, the traditional Christian and Catholic answer is a 100% no. Christ frees all his friends from 'Hell' and this includes the just who served him and recognize him at death even if they didn't 'know' him in life. A great example of this is in The Last Battle by C.S. Lewis, where a Tash-serving Calormen solider is saved. There is also such a thing as 'baptism by desire'.

I would be interested in hearing more about this from the Catholic perspective. From the Protestant side of things, that Narnian bit there is seen as a non-Biblical affectation of Lewis rather than theologically sound.

It may just be that this falls on the most typical Catholic/Protestant dividing line, saving "the just who served him" sounds like a definite 'salvation through works' kind of line that a sola fide Protestant would reject, even the notion of someone being "just" would seem to be contrary to Romans 3: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God."

So, the discussion with Kivektanna earlier brought up what I think is an interesting question, sort of the dichotomy between principle and utilitarianism. I have a hypothetical:

The pro-life movement is going to have success in one area, and because you have a arbitrarily limited magic wand, you can choose one and only one.

Option 1: Cultural victory. Abortion comes to be viewed as broadly immoral and far less people choose not to have one as a result. However, due to contrived circumstances, say a packed SCOTUS, it remains and will remain fully legal for elective reasons, and abortions are still carried out, just at lower rates as less people are seeking them.

Option 2: Legal victory. Roe/Casey are either overturned or struck down by Constitutional amendment without any significant chance of being counter-overturned. However, a black market in illegal abortions springs up, and proves difficult to effectively combat.

Now the kicker: in the first scenario, the abortion rate is down to 25 per thousand live births. In the second, the illegal abortion rate is estimated at 50 per thousand. (These numbers are arbitrary and probably unrealistic, but this is a thought experiment, not an accurate situation, trolley-problem style.)

Which option do you choose? How much does the ratio matter? Would it be different if it were 1.25:1 advantage for Option 1? 4:1? Is the fundamental goal the absolute reduction of abortion rates, even without legal protections, or those legal protections, even if criminal abortions remain?

The moderators sent me a warning that I was spreading "misinformation" on covid, which is why they suppressed that post. I guess NS doesnt allow certain opinions either (like Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc). That pisses me off.

Roborian wrote:I would be interested in hearing more about this from the Catholic perspective. From the Protestant side of things, that Narnian bit there is seen as a non-Biblical affectation of Lewis rather than theologically sound.

It may just be that this falls on the most typical Catholic/Protestant dividing line, saving "the just who served him" sounds like a definite 'salvation through works' kind of line that a sola fide Protestant would reject, even the notion of someone being "just" would seem to be contrary to Romans 3: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God."

My relatives always told me you will burn in Hell if you dont get baptised....

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:My relatives always told me you will burn in Hell if you dont get baptised....

There is disagreement between Protestant denominations on that. Some hold that baptism as a sacrament is itself essential, so if you accept Christ, you should get yourself baptized without delay, others hold that baptism is something you do to show one's commitment/belief, important, but not itself necessary for salvation.

There is also then the discussion of how that relates to paedobaptism vs. believer's baptism, though that is a bit of a different issue.

I'm personally on the side of believer's baptism and baptism itself not being essential for salvation, though I do not consider the differences of opinion between denominations on the matters to be critically or centrally important.

It is ridiculous that Twitter and those platforms banned Trump. They are scared of people knowing the truth. I remember on the last (I think it was the last) 2016 presidential debate when they were asked to say something nice to each other, Hillary was desparate to find a compliment that wouldnt hurt her own campaign. She complimented Trump's kids (umm... the most obvious compliment would be he is a good businessman and/or is charismatic or a good negotiator orr something along those lines, but that would help Trump her admitting that he knows a lot more about the economy than she did) and he called her a hard worker. Kind of showing everyone what a nasty bitch was (after they had already heard her deportation comments). Trump won in a landslide in that election and would've won the popular vote if not for voter fraud. In 2020, he would've won in an electoral landslide and in a popular landslide if the mass voter fraud that most definitely occurred had never occurred [there is a good chance the moderators will suppress this too I think]

Francze

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:It is ridiculous that Twitter and those platforms banned Trump. They are scared of people knowing the truth. I remember on the last (I think it was the last) 2016 presidential debate when they were asked to say something nice to each other, Hillary was desparate to find a compliment that wouldnt hurt her own campaign. She complimented Trump's kids (umm... the most obvious compliment would be he is a good businessman and/or is charismatic or a good negotiator orr something along those lines, but that would help Trump her admitting that he knows a lot more about the economy than she did) and he called her a hard worker. Kind of showing everyone what a nasty bitch was (after they had already heard her deportation comments). Trump won in a landslide in that election and would've won the popular vote if not for voter fraud. In 2020, he would've won in an electoral landslide and in a popular landslide if the mass voter fraud that most definitely occurred had never occurred [there is a good chance the moderators will suppress this too I think]

I think that I can guess the answer to this, but outside of any direct commentary on the merits of voter fraud claims: is the idea really that every single approval rating poll taken through the Trump administration, including by pollsters friendly to him, was completely rigged, that all of them were off by tens of millions of people? People making the argument that the election was a close one electorally and that it is possible that voter fraud tipped the scales are making a case that I think is at least feasible even if I probably do not ultimately agree, but the idea that the overwhelming majority of the country was behind Trump the entire time and he would have won by millions upon millions of votes just seems entirely without backing and based off of belief alone.

Roborian wrote:I think that I can guess the answer to this, but outside of any direct commentary on the merits of voter fraud claims: is the idea really that every single approval rating poll taken through the Trump administration, including by pollsters friendly to him, was completely rigged, that all of them were off by tens of millions of people? People making the argument that the election was a close one electorally and that it is possible that voter fraud tipped the scales are making a case that I think is at least feasible even if I probably do not ultimately agree, but the idea that the overwhelming majority of the country was behind Trump the entire time and he would have won by millions upon millions of votes just seems entirely without backing and based off of belief alone.

While I cant give you a number, Im pretty sure there was widespread voter fraud that changed the election's outcome (I think he would've won the popular vote without it, and I know he wouldve won the electoral vote).

Here is one thing on the dominion voting machines: https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2021/01/01/stop-the-steal-2/

Observers were kicked out of counting areas. They had to go get a court order. They came back and they still weren't allowed in the room (they put cardboard up over the windows so they couldn't see in and the crowd of libs started cheering when the observers were removed, because they knew what was going on in there). If you dont remember, after shutting down counting in those 4 states, at 3 am hundreds of thousands of votes came in all for Biden (that is impossible) in those 4 states trump was leading. And of course, don't forget the illegals. I am pretty sure at least a few million illegals voted in 2020 and 2016.

I wish the legislatures would just choose the electors (which they could if they wanted to)

People were asking Trump how they should vote if not by their mailing system (taking advantage of covid to promote voter fraud) like he was crazy. When he was talking about how they found ballots in dumpsters and all over. Get. Off. Your. Lazy. ASS. And. Vote. Or dont. People are confused. Beforehand, they sent votes via mail if you REQUEST them, not just sending them out so that anyone can fill out your ballot (I dont think they did that here, as I went to the place to vote (where the meth head almost stole my wallet), but my state would never vote Republican anyway unfortunately. It's kind of weird, however, because our last governor before JB Fatass was actually a Republican-libs may not care as much about state issues). I think JB Fatass wants to be the Democrat trump. Sorry, JB, you aren't anything special. You were given everything you have (dont get me wrong, Trumps dad was rich too, but Trump turned millions into billions, while Mr. Fatass just had it-Trump is an entrepreneur). While campaigning, JB Fatass's rich ass had campaign ads EVERY commercial segment on "roku", when I stopped watching cable. His Fatass is from Chicago and like most IL politicians all they care about is Chicago

https://www.jbpritzker.com/

Huh!!! There is a black woman in the first picture and a Latino kid in the 3rd picture! What a hero JB Fatass is, so diverse.

Oh, we need to get "more confrentational" according to Maxine Waters. Its okay when democrats do it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=flvDksIwa3I

Phydios wrote:I can't tell you the traditional Catholic answer, but I can tell you the Biblical answer.

“There is no judgment against anyone who believes in [Jesus]. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭3:18‬

“There is salvation in no one else! God has given no other name under heaven by which we must be saved.” - Acts ‭4:12

“The jailer called for lights and ran to the dungeon and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, along with everyone in your household.”” - Acts‬ ‭16:29-31

“He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him. He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.”‭‭ - John‬ ‭1:10-12

“But God is so rich in mercy, and he loved us so much, that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God’s grace that you have been saved!)

“God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God. Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, so none of us can boast about it.” - Ephesians‬ ‭2:4-5, 8-9

I could continue, but do I need to? God's Word is clear on who needs salvation and how it is acquired. You can either believe it or believe some other teaching in place of it.

Same perspective as far as I read it. Imagine Christ breaking into Hell or, post-Easter, appearing to each soul after death and saying these things.
Or, to weave them together, imagine him saying to each soul directly after death: Do you believe in me and recognize me and accept me as the Savior of the world?
Yes = salvation, no=nothing. I see absolutely no contradiction here with the passages you list.

Roborian wrote:I would be interested in hearing more about this from the Catholic perspective. From the Protestant side of things, that Narnian bit there is seen as a non-Biblical affectation of Lewis rather than theologically sound.

It may just be that this falls on the most typical Catholic/Protestant dividing line, saving "the just who served him" sounds like a definite 'salvation through works' kind of line that a sola fide Protestant would reject, even the notion of someone being "just" would seem to be contrary to Romans 3: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God."

Well Lewis was well aware of traditional Christian teaching, being High Church Anglican, and I find it very unlikely that he saw even the slightest contradiction between Emeth's salvation and what the Bible has to say. It is not as simple as "salvation through works": God is goodness and anyone who loves the good, truly, loves God. At death, far from refusing to acknowledge Christ or blinding themselves by their mortal sins, those who are truly men of goodwill and lovers of God will embrace him as exactly what they have been longing for, and worshipping in spirit if not in name. I'm not saying there are definitely a lot of these kind of people, we have no way of knowing. But we do know this is what he did for everyone who died before his death, obviously he would do if for anyone who likewise did not have the gospel preached to them due to mere circumstance.

I could cite Mere Christianity as follows: "There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it." (Book 4, Chapter 10, "Nice People or New Men")

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