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Except the whole not serving gay people until a court forced them to?
Again, the instance in reference, the cake bakers were not discriminating against their customers "because they're gay".
But we aren't talking about that specific instance. In general, if you treat someone differently because they are gay (or because your religion leads you to have backwards beliefs like that), then it is bigoted.
Then... What was it about?
Factually not true.
Quote: "Phillips, who had provided cakes for gay customers in other circumstances, argued that making a cake for a same-sex wedding would be an endorsement of the marriage and a violation of his beliefs." [https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/june/jack-phillips-masterpiece-cakeshop-wins-supreme-court-free-.html]
If I remember correctly, the baker in this case also didn't make wedding cakes for heterosexuals who were divorced.
Sure, pretty much a fill-in-the-blank statement there.
However, requiring someone to actively participate or celebrate in something they fundamentally have a conviction against is also bigoted.
Culture of Life, Horatius Cocles, Priest vallon, and Clear Bay
So he refused to make a wedding cake... because they were gay?
"Phillips has said in the past that he not only has declined same-sex union cakes, but he also declines other types of cakes that go against his beliefs, including cakes for Halloween, bachelor parties, divorce, cakes with alcohol in the ingredients, and cakes with atheist messages." [https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/colo-baker-sued-a-third-time-for-refusal-to-make-cake-signifying-gender-transition-17456]
Are you purposefully being difficult?
Culture of Life, Priest vallon, Clear Bay, and Lagrodia
Depends on your definition of bigotry. Were those Christian bakers denying service because of who the (prospective) customers were, or because of what they were requesting? The first would be bigotry; the second, however, is what I see. Take Jack Phillips as an example: if memory serves, there are some types of cakes that he will not make for anybody, including Halloween cakes (because he, like some other Christians, believes it to be pagan and ungodly). But the cakes he is willing to make, he will make for everybody, regardless of who they are. That doesn't fit Merriam-Webster's definition of "bigot": "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance". Anyone who refused services to a homosexual couple because they were homosexual would indeed be a bigot. But that isn't seen here.
As for denying employment to those who identify as "LGBTQIA++", the question is: is this status relevant to the job? For example, Islam has historically been very intolerant of homosexuality, which could be punished in many ways, up to and including execution. Indeed, many Islamic countries do execute homosexual people. Would it be bigotry for a mosque to refuse to hire a homosexual person, or just an expression of religious belief (since the position would be explicitly religious)? But if homosexuality wasn't relevant to the job description, refusing employment on those grounds would indeed be bigotry. For example, Chick-Fil-A (believe it or not!) does not discriminate against homosexual people in any way, either as customers or employees. Why? Because it's not relevant to a fast-food job.
Culture of Life, Clear Bay, and New waldensia
So he refused to make a wedding cake... because they were gay? Yes, he did, since you won't say it. Just because he refuses other people doesn't change that he refused it because of a backwards and bigoted belief.
Both, it doesn't have to be just one or the other
Factually not true.
Quote: "Phillips, who had provided cakes for African American customers in other circumstances, argued that making a cake for a interracial wedding would be an endorsement of miscegenation and a violation of his beliefs." [https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/june/jack-phillips-masterpiece-cakeshop-wins-supreme-court-free-.html]
If I remember correctly, the baker in this case also didn't make wedding cakes for whites who were divorced.
Sure, pretty much a fill-in-the-blank statement there.
However, requiring someone to actively participate or celebrate in something they fundamentally have a conviction against is also bigoted.
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Wow, it's the world's worst MadLib, thanks Waldy
But he literally did.
Just because he uses religious beliefs as an excuse to deny gay people a cake doesn't mean anything
He denied it to an engaged couple because they were gay
No you don't understand it wasn't because they were gay, it was because they were gay and they wanted a wedding cake.
Wait.
He did not deny it because they were gay. He declined to perform his personal art occupation for an activity he has a religious conviction against. There is a significant difference. Activity versus individual.
Continuing this is just going in circles, so I'm going to conclude participating.
Culture of Life, Horatius Cocles, Priest vallon, and Clear Bay
And what was that activity Waldy? Was it getting married... well, he made other wedding cakes, didn't he? So what caused the change in mind? What factor of their marriage did he not like, Waldy?
You're just the king of the strawmen aren't you
That's some real boomer 'understan' the threat' level of nonsense. There are portions of Islamic beliefs which are bigoted, there are portions of Christian beliefs that are bigoted. The thing is, being a Christian isn't a commitment to bigotry, and neither is being a Muslim. And I don't see anyone yelling islamophobia yet.
Maybe that's because I refrain from posting Islamophobic crinj
This is getting out of hand. For a brief cool down time, I have disabled embassy posting privileges. They will be re-enabled soon, but I encourage everyone to collectively take a deep breath and step back.
This is an embassy on an online browser game.
EDIT: Discussions about gay rights are vital and important -- they deserve to be had. Having said that, y'all are engaging in some serious personal attacks. And not just on LCN's side.
Culture of Life, New sequoyah, Horatius Cocles, Phydios, and 1 otherClear Bay
Enough is enough.
You lot have had enough time to get your stuff together I assume. I'm gonna come in and remove this heathen commie influence. I've been following the discord group for a while. I am saddened. We will get this place in shape in no time, though, don't worry. I am on a warpath.
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