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I need y’all’s opinion. If the Confederates took Washington DC after the Battle of Manassas (bull run) how long would it take Britain 🇬🇧 and France to recognize the confederacy? And my timeline in May Juda Benjamin and competent diplomats go to Europe to lobby for the confederacy to be recognized as a independent country.
Well I’m my time line Battle of Manassas takes place in October or September , because the confederacy do not attack fort Sumter
After capturing DC the Confederates submit the declaration of Confederate independence by Judah Benjamin and Howell Cobbs. The declaration of independence is aimed for not only International recognition,but also in America USA/CSA particularly
as it talks about tariffs, Yankee centralized government,northern dominance, state rights ect
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Propaganda or not . If The confederate diplomats convince Britain and France the Union are in a state of collapse With the capital being taken and the south offering a armistice to discuss peace ☮️ terms .
I think Lincoln would reject the armistice though he might at least keep a temporary armistice.
The Confederates offer peace if they were signed a peace treaty and The Confederates offer if they signed a peace treaty they will not destroy The government Building such as the capital of the treasury the supreme court building and of course the White House building such as the capital of the treasury the supreme court building and of course the White House .
The south of course will wait for their response and in the meantime will officially annex Dc. Possibly The president declares Washington DC the confederate capital (I suppose he could ask the Confederate Congress To give him power to move the capital in a small amount of time ) if to do so this could offer the confederacy legitimacy and if the north rejects peace terms and looks like they will take over the capital then they will destroy the buildings immediately before of course changing the capital to Richmond.
Lincoln I could imagine vetoing several peace bills to the csa. He could Rally the public to take dc particularly with the buildings still in tact.
In my alternative history the Confederates do not attack fort Sumter and not enough soldiers fight for the union .
But if Lincoln has a good rally point But if Lincoln has a good rally point to take dc refusing peace he could encourage Young man to last to liberate the capital from being destroyed This move would be as effective as fort Sumter justification.
If the capital would be destroyed then it would do you more allies the north and give it a depiction they are collapseD with New Orleans being under siege and no significant offenses let alone victory it gives the international picture of that
But I think they should do but I could be wrong.
Offer them peace and goodwill especially if Lincoln is given to the Picture this is a war of Northern aggression.
is would strengthen the peace movement and the copper head movement.
Cobb’s under executive order declares DC to be the confederate capital and photographs were taken along with Confederate troops and the government in the capital this offers legitimacy to other country’s . However the csa government is willing to possibly give the capital back to the north for peace ☮️.
If Lincoln dares reject then then possibly the south will give them some time for the north to consider and if war is apparent then they will start destroying buildings
If the Lincoln has peace talks it might encourage Britain and France 🇫🇷 to Immediately recognize as they see the war is over immediately recognize as they see the war is about to be over.
If Lincoln rejects the treaty And the Confederates destroy the capital and the Confederates destroy the capitalthen it will Give the image of the northern government has collapsed give the image of the northern government has collapsed
Lincoln would be taking refuge in Philadelphia
What does everyone think and what is everyone’s opinion? I would love to hear 👂 what they think would or could happen
I think the US will negotiate(causing England and France to recognize the confederacy) then back out So the confederacy will destroy the capital and the Europe will get involved in the war on the confederate side
1. That certainly would have sped things up, but capturing, much less holding, DC would be difficult.
2. Absolutely
3. That would be a tremendous mistake. Richmond was fairly exposed for a national capital, DC would have been untenable for the South.
4. Likely true
I'm reading a book right now that argues that even in April of 1865, the South had a chance - however slight - of victory. If a handful of different events had occurred during the close of the Petersburg siege and the recent to Appomattox, Lee could have escaped and reunited with Joe Johnston in North Carolina. Grant's supply lines were stretched in the pursuit of Lee. With Richmond fallen, it actually would have given the Southern armies much more flexibility in the field.
Alternatively, the author argues that if Lee had chosen guerilla warfare as Grant feared (very costly and hard to combat for the occupying forces, see Afghanistan and even Vietnam), the South could have won a peace agreement similar to other insurgent-type conflicts.
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Though the amount of confederate sympathy in New York City was not extreme .
There was some sympathy nonetheless
The city's strong commercial ties to the South, its growing immigrant population, and anger about conscription led to divided sympathies, with some business men favoring the Confederacy and other opinion in favor of the Union.
As Southern states began seceding with the election of Lincoln, New Yorkers in general supported the war effort, but there were several notable early exceptions.
The city and the state had strong economic ties to the South; by 1822 half of the city's exports were related to cotton, which also fed the upstate and New England textile mills.[1] Mayor Fernando Wood won reelection to a second term, serving from 1860 to 1862. He was one of many New York Democrats who were sympathetic to the Confederacy, called 'Copperheads'
According to the book American nations it even goes far as to say it was the south’s traditional Allie.
Fernando wood
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January 1861, Wood suggested to the City Council that New York City secede as the "Free City of Tri-Insula," to continue its profitable cotton trade with the Confederacy. Wood's Democratic machine was concerned to maintain the revenues and jobs in the city (which depended on Southern cotton), which also supported the patronage system.[1]
Politically, the city was dominated by Democrats, many of whom were under the control of a political machine known as Tammany Hall. Led by William "Boss" Tweed, the Democrats were elected to numerous offices in New York City, and to the state legislature and judges' seats, often through illegal means. From 1860 to 1870, Tweed controlled most Democratic nominations in the city, while Republicans tended to dominate upstate New York. Lincoln supporters formed the Union League to support the war effort and the president's policies.
I’m thinking the New York City with a copperhead minority declares itself a free city after Abe rejects the peace talks
New England,upper Midwest, upstate New York would generate the majority of recruits without the attack on fort Sumter.
He would however receive some troops from the mid Atlantic Even fewer from The old northwest (Illinois, Indiana Ohio)
If the border states are not threatened the Lowest.
I may have there be a rebellion in New York City commanded by Fernando wood in 1861. I’m further thinking about Southern California but the problem with Southern California is there’s union soldiers there it may have to be 62 where they liberated it after New Mexico is taken from csa
Democrat) Mayor of New York City and his allies (primarily businessmen) were actually planning a minor coup against federal authorities in the city to break off New York, Brooklyn, the rest of Long Island, and Staten Island as a Free City. This was intended to maintain the income of the businessmen of New York, who made quite a bit of money shipping cotton overseas. Mayor Wood went so far as to publicly ask the council to secede. He would be elected to congress as a Copperhead Democrat.
The sentiment in favor of such a secession mostly evaporated after Ft. Sumter.
To have a successful Free City of New York, you need to have the secession take place before Ft. Sumter. The question is how much popular support the Free City would actually have even after such an attack--if the Mayor's moves are unpopular, then he'll be removed from power and hanged for treason by morning.
The New York rebels would have to seize Fort Lafayette and Fort Schuyler, in order to enable ships to continue to enter the harbor.
EDIT: I actually give New York reasonably good odds at winning at least one battle if secession has popular support. New York City raised 30,000 men by May of 1861--if Mayor Wood can inspire the same loyalty as Ft. Sumter did, then he would have at his command an army of equal size to that of the Union or Confederate forces at Bull Run. And he'd have the Brooklyn Navy Yard, and presumably more ships per mile of coast line than the Confederates did.
But to get that kind of confidence, the federal authorities would need to very ham-fistedly and incompetently try to reassert order as a first strike.
Should I do it after Lincoln rejects peace terms or before in there is minuscule fighting at best?
Southern California has few people then and session was possibly until Fort Sumter.
Even after Fort Sumter the people showed demonstrations for session in that region. But Lincoln would likely send troops as soldiers already where sent there to stop it .
The people in this timeline should really feel the sessionist spirit of 1861
I think during would fit best with your scenario.
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My suggestion? California and Oregon would wait until the war has been going very badly for a while or until after peace in the east before they secede, and then primarily do so due to the isolation from the rest of the country.
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the army of New Mexico will capture it after defeating the Yankees at gloritia pass
Led by Albert Sidney Johnston who survives Shiloh (if it happened) and led the south to western victory
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Southern California was different then Oregon or the rest of California.
I am thinking about the armistice is declared New York City is declared a free city . Southern California succeeds ,because the soldiers can’t enact martial law . In the process of southern Illinois is working on succeeding from the rest of Illinois ,but not from the Union.
Peace talks break down. How long with the peace talks be a month or 2?
I definitely want New York City to declare itself a free city early as possible .
All of this already sounds peace talks could easily break down we have not even mentioned the border states
In your opinion when should Southern California succeed? While a secret service of what I presented could be effected it would take at least a month to form 3 or 4 months to do something ,but I really don’t know. Southern California has a little value and could easily be taken over with out troops so a campaign to protect them is possibly after The Confederates when New Mexico. In 1863 Though possibly in 62 Utah with the help of confederates declare secession. When the war is over the peace terms that they will be accepted as a state by the union and treated as equals . The north rejects that but agrees to make peace and they become a independent country if the Confederates will not accept their stay hood
Probably leaving in early 1863
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