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RSD

In regard to the Pro Tempore resolution, I don't wish to make any amendments yet (not sure exactly what Twelve Titans wants to do), but I do have some thoughts.

As of now, 5 days of "inactivity" is quite vague. While definitions are normally more appropriate in a non-CA, I believe that a definition of activity would be critical here (within the resolution text but outside the constitutional change itself). It will be critical in potentially avoiding a State case or, at least, giving the court a better framework for decision-making.

Official Debate Amendment Request for Resolution: "Establishment of the Office of the President pro Tempore"

To protect the integrity of the Office of the President by ensuring no nations ineligible from holding said Office may attempt to do so via the President pro Tempore.
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I. The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit.

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The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit. Nations ineligible to be President shall likewise be ineligible to be President pro Tempore.

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Official Debate Amendment Request for Resolution: "Establishment of the Office of the President pro Tempore"

To include provisions accounting for the impeachment or loss of office of either the President or the President pro Tempore. (This debate amendment does not rely on nor preclude my prior debate amendment.)
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I. The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit.

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The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit.

Should either the President or the President pro Tempore be impeached, then a Special Election shall be called to replace only the impeached official, and not by joint ticket to also replace the other. Should the President lose office by any other means, the President pro Tempore will succeed to the Presidency for the remainder of the term. The shortened term shall not count against any term limits. Should the President pro Tempore lose office by any means other than impeachment (including succession to the Presidency), then a Special Election shall be called to fill the office, but not by joint ticket to also replace the President.

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My first amendment is fairly straightforward, but I would like to explain what my second one would do. It would establish a mini line-of-succession for the Presidency. If the President loses office for reasons other than impeachment (ie, resignation, CTE's, loss of citizenship, ineligibility, etc.), then the President pro Tempore, having duly been elected, shall simply assume the Presidency for the remainder of the term. Then should the President pro Tempore lose office (including succeeding to the Presidency, an election will be called to replace them. This would keep the GA up and running while preserving the democratic backing of these important offices.
(Tagging The Honorable President of the General Assembly Reno Sheriffs Department)

General Assembly Member Twelve Titans' Amendments have been approved, and will be voted upon following debate.

I agree with the first amendment.

With the second one, I agree that determinations of succession should be made.

Twelve Titans wrote:Should the President pro Tempore lose office by any means other than impeachment (including succession to the Presidency), then a Special Election shall be called to fill the office, but not by joint ticket to also replace the President.

However, I'm not sold on this idea for a few reasons.

Why is there a special election for the President pro Tempore if they are not impeached, as well, considering that a new one can simply be appointed by the President? If it’s a resignation or CTE, then the President could simply appoint someone else and save the trouble. Additionally – while the pro Tempore is originally elected on a joint-ticket – this would be an election for a position that wasn't elected on its own, which seems a little circumspect.

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Furthermore, I have a few other, minor suggestions.

In the above quote, "but not by joint ticket to also replace the President" is redundant considering the first sentence of the paragraph.

Twelve Titans wrote:Should either the President or the President pro Tempore be impeached, then a Special Election shall be called to replace only the impeached official, and not by joint ticket to also replace the other.

"and not by joint ticket to replace the other" is redundant considering the first part of the sentence.

Twelve Titans wrote:The shortened term shall not count against any term limits.

I would suggest using something like "toward" rather than "against" term limits.

Official Debate Extension Request for Resolution: "Establishment of the Office of the President pro Tempore"

Request Extension: 2 days (ending after December 9th)

Reasoning:

I do have a pending modification to one of my prior amendments, and I know that the Right Honourable Secretary-General Karteria wishes to submit one of their own. I believe it would be of great value to this Assembly if additional time were allotted for its honourable members to submit and debate amendments, especially considering the Resolution in question is a Constitutional Amendment.

(Tagging the Honorable President Reno Sheriffs Department)

General Assembly Member Twelve Titans,

Your extension has been approved

REVISED Official Debate Amendment Request for Resolution: "Establishment of the Office of the President pro Tempore"

To include provisions accounting for the impeachment or loss of office of either the President or the President pro Tempore. (This debate amendment does not rely on nor preclude my prior debate amendment.)
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I. The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit.

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The following is hereby adopted as Section 12.5 of the Constitution:
§12.5 - President pro Tempore
The President pro Tempore, upon declaration of the President or after five days of inactivity by the President, shall assume all Powers and Responsibilities of the Office of the President, and shall be subject to all Laws and Regulations regarding the President except where expressly excepted, until the President declares the immediate resumption of their powers and responsibilities.

The first President pro Tempore shall be appointed by the sitting President. All subsequent President pro Tempores shall be elected on a joint-ticket with a Presidential candidate during the Presidential elections. The term of the President pro Tempore shall expire with the President’s term, however it shall not be subject to any term limit.

Should either the President or the President pro Tempore be impeached, then a Special Election shall be called to replace only the impeached official. Should the President lose office by any other means, the President pro Tempore will succeed to the Presidency for the remainder of the term. The shortened term shall not count toward any term limits. Should the President pro Tempore lose office by any means other than impeachment (including succession to the Presidency), then the President shall appoint a replacement to serve the remainder of the original term.

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This update to my second proposed debate amendment addresses the arguments of my Right Honourable friend regarding filling the President pro Tempore office upon vacancy, which has swayed me on this matter. The language requiring a special election has been struck in favour of simple appointment by the President. Additionally, both minor suggestions have been implemented.

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