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Mass hysteria.
What progress was that exactly?
Hajirah and Sunthreit
The Paris climate agreement, same sex marriage, Obamacare, not to mention the possibility of the elimination of the EPA and FDA.
Same sex marriage is a settled issue. Obamacare is a disaster. And no one important on the right has advocated eliminating either agency. So now maybe we have a real chance at real progress like improving on piss poor trade agreements and restoring law and order.
Hajirah and Obistan
Here's a real discussion I want to start here.
Since everyone is still talking about Trump and Clinton lets turn our attention to.... The EU.
Do you think that the American Election results were influenced by The Uk Brexit vote?
If so, do you think that Trumps Victory here will influence other Trump-like leaders in other countries such as France and The Rise of The National Front and their Candidate Marie Le Pen to win in the Spring of 2017? Also, do you think we are seeing the beginning of The Breakup of The EU.
I want to hear your honest opinion and please refrain from insulting others. Let's keep this a Good and Clean discussion.
finally someone who isn't insulting another's opinions *cough*Obistan, Arstotzka*cough*
Same Sex Marriage is banned in Arkstotzka, as it should be in the United States. Hopefully the New Reagan Revolution with the help of Ted Cruz in 2024 will reverse the immoral law.
are you for real dude?
More so in regards to political division seb.
I think I've expressed that when it comes to social policies I'm a rather firm believer in Democracy and when it comes to Economics I advocate a non-ideological approach focused issue to issue considerations, attempting to utilise public debate as avoiding the combined issues of the see-saw effect(tend to radicalise into two sides in a debate), the confident idiot(knowing less results in someone being more confident in what they do know) and group exaggeration(when you have a group of people who agree with each other opinions tend to get pushed to the extreme.
Basically I'm worried that the polarised nature of current US politics is gonna start seeping into Australia and bring all the political instability, needless inefficiency and conflict with it. I've seen some of my mates convinced Hilary was the devil incarnate and I saw some of my mates convinced that it was Trump. I'm worried that the zealous dogmatism is gonna infect our politics and make it even more unworkable than it currently is. Hell this could even start it by politicising Australian foreign policy in the debate between whether we should ditch the US for China, ditch the US for a middle ground or to cling to the US like a baby with attachment issues.
I do see your point, and it is very worrying that this political seperation is starting to leak into other countries all over the world. Australia already has very unstable politics, we've had five prime minister changes in the last six years, which is not a great sign for stability.
I still don't think we are going to start aligning ourselves with a country like China though. We greatly rely on China economically, but most of our security reliance is on the US. It'll be interesting to see what happens though.
It's interesting to hear about the political divide with your friends because this generation down in a Victoria is pretty uniformly liberal, as in left leaning not the party, ugh, why did we call our rightist party the liberal party? It's just confusing.
Gets even more confusing when you realise the Liberal party was born from the Free Trade and Protectionist parties merging in the face of a rising Labour, even worse when despite it being named more so after the former it adopted the general position of the later.
As for the China thing, what I've seen is an increasing number of people saying we should start backing off from our security ties with the US(Few noticeable figures got behind it such as Bob Carr and Keating). Essentially its a questioning of if there's going to be conflict between US and China(of any kind) and whether or not we want to take a side(and if so which side) in said conflict. Status quo would be taking the US's side but a lot of people are convinced that the US is a declining power and that China is a rising power and would ultimately win in such a conflict.
If I was straight I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to embarrass myself like that. Or is that something straight people are into? Weird sh-t.
Likewise in Hajirah,my comrade.Homosexuality is considered an aberration and sodomy is a terrible crime and a sin.How else can we preserve our moral standards? We must remember the lessons of Sodom an Gomorrah and resist degeneracy.All of us must band together to valiantly resist blasphemy,degeneracy and the collapse of our society.
Meanwhile,I congratulate Donald J. Trump with all my heart and I thank God for this miracle,my election night prayer has been answered.God willing,Trump might just be able to make America great for once.
Anyway love is love and straight people are crazy.
Personally I doubt the US election was influenced by the Brexit vote. Maybe Trump's voterbase was slightly emboldened by the referendum, but I think if Brexit failed or never even happened we'd still be getting President Trump.
I do, however, think that Trump's victory will very much embolden other Western Populist parties due to the USA's size and significance. A President Trump would probably be very eager to work with Le Pen. For the past god-knows-how-long the USA has pretty much lead the Western World in cultural and political trends (with a few exceptions of course).
Oh god, this would be horrible...
I hate how nobody seems to come up with the idea that Australia could trade with other powers but be its own influencer, or maybe even team up with Southeast Asia to make its own geopolitical bulwark. The Pacific Islands Forum's membership (including Australia) has about double Australia's population, so a fully-fledged Pacific Union would easily be a regional power on the world stage.
There could also be a recognition of various ethnicities' right to exist, possibly similar to Native Title in Australia and various arrangements with the Maori of New Zealand. The Melanesians, Papuan people, Fijian Indians, Maoris, Aborigines, Polynesians, Anglo-Oceanians, Greek-Australians, and so on could all be both united AND recognised as their own peoples, collectively bound into one state so as to leave a greater mark on history together. I feel Oceania, with a recent colonial past and lots of natives with a strong ethnic consciousness, would actually benefit from this sort of system.
Love exists for reproduction. Love between two people of the same sex is meaningless love. Homosexuality is either an evolutionary accident or a subtle means of genetic population control.
While Brexit and the election of Trump may have had similar reasons for success, namely immigration and the economy, Trump's success can be attributed to other things not particularly affected by Brexit. For example, a rage at the establishment (mainly the democratic establishment), and the economy. Now, the problem with the economy was different for each vote, with Brexit, it was mainly the fees for being in the EU, but for the US, the economic issue was with jobs having left the country. So, his success likely had little to do with Brexit.
And yes, Obamacare was not the best thing for some Americans. But it was a step in the right direction. And as for same-sex marriage being a "settled issue," there are still a significant number of (you guessed it) republicans, who, let me remind you, are in the majority in the house and senate (not to mention Pence being for spending taxpayer dollars to convert LGBT+ individuals). It isn't exactly a stretch to see it, maybe not being repealed, but being impaired in some way. Now, the main issue I have with this republican controlled government is the damage they will do to our efforts in slowing and stopping global warming. Most republicans don't want to do anything, and a fair few don't even have the rationality to see that it exists.
Currently yes. I'm 16, three quarters of my grade is as well at this point.
And I don't see what attacking my social capital has to do with disputing my notion on homosexuality. If this is the best you can throw at me I'm probably right, let's be honest.
Lowell Leber and Hajirah
I mean what I said wasn't very pleasant at all but it's still either partly or wholly true (I dunno about the last clause, I've heard it thrown around as a hypothesis but who knows). You have no proper argument against it.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't true. Take the notion that life isn't fair or the world is deterministic, for instance- it's pretty blatantly true, even if you don't accept it. This is what annoys me about a lot of progressive people- they not only want to change society, but also reality, and while the fact they're striving for something is sort of noble changing reality based on what feels right is really silly. When I advocate for ethnic nationalism it is because people are tribal by nature, they are happier in a community that is like them (tribe, nation, religion, whatever). There is some kind of fact, some kind of let's-work-with-human-nature-here about it. All this equality and "let's all hold hands and sing kumbaya" is not only pretty much nonexistent in nature but it's also bad for the functioning of human society, and there is no reason for it.
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