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Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

Republic of minerva

Personal liberty and property rights are intrinsically tied.

Without the latter, we are simply creatures of the public sphere, who's every action becomes accountable to the greater body. The laws on smoking, for example, encompass every section of the public sphere, and through regulation, parts of the private sphere. But shouldn't it be up to the property owners to decide if their bar allows smoking?

The completly oppressive states

*slides back in to dm's*

Libertarian dictatorship=best dictatorship

Less Hitler, more Hoppe

Republic of minerva

Highway Eighty-Eight wrote:A free society cannot exist under a dictatorship. A Libertarian dictatorship is even less likely to exist, and if it could, the question is why you'd even want it. If one cannot expect to live if he disagrees with the general opinion of society, or that of the regime that rules him, he is a slave. Where one cannot protect his property through the ballot box, relying solely on the benevolence of an all-powerful, unchecked leadership woth everything to gain, he is a slave. Life, Liberty, and Property are equally important, inseparable, and fundamental. A better and more logical trinity than any other.

A free society cannot exist without rights enshrined and protected by a judiciary. A monarchy, Dictatorship, democracy or republic can all equally deprive rights. I just think a dictator is more likely to not infringe on those rights as democracies as people suck and they will vote for actions taking away people's rights. Think Patriot act or even the fact that people elected Hitler even though he campaigned on taking away rights of minorities. Just a quick thought as I have to get back to work

SUPREME HEADQUARTERS
ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE

Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hope and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is will trained, well equipped and battle-hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Wew. I got my classification to benevolent dictatorship

Narland and Skaveria

Miri islands wrote:Wew. I got my classification to benevolent dictatorship

Congratulations on getting your prefered title.

I don't have one I prefer personally. I remember one of my long-term goals was abolishing taxation, that took forever. I've been working on getting my government to spend 50% military, 50% police, with no income tax. A true night-watchman state.

Skaveria wrote:Libertarian dictatorship=best dictatorship

Less Hitler, more Hoppe

No Hitler, All Hoppe! The Dictatorship of the Libertariot is technically an oxymoron, but it is fun to speculate, kind of like the sound of purple, or Luddite Futurists.

Miri islands

Narland wrote:No Hitler, All Hoppe! The Dictatorship of the Libertariot is technically an oxymoron, but it is fun to speculate, kind of like the sound of purple, or Luddite Futurists.

Speculation is half the fun. The other half of the fun is actually doing it which has led to great triumphs like the United States and great failures like the Soviet Union. I just wish some of the other enlightenment philosophers got their way. We've seen Locke and Smiths ideas played out in America then watched Rousseau's ideas fail in France. I want to see hobbes or Voltaire get a swing at it.

Miri islands wrote:Wew. I got my classification to benevolent dictatorship

Skaveria wrote:Congratulations on getting your prefered title.

I don't have one I prefer personally. I remember one of my long-term goals was abolishing taxation, that took forever. I've been working on getting my government to spend 50% military, 50% police, with no income tax. A true night-watchman state.

I have gotten as close as I can to my preferred state, so I do not answer the issues any more for fear of making it worse. I cant seem to get the three freedoms equally high, nor taxes below .001 GPD, (we have instead a PHI -- Pursuit of Happiness Index) but have finally limited the govt to mostly education -- my interpretation library archives, academic and cultural repositories, statistical information, free flow of information, and standardization of weights and measures. The states and cantons handle their own military for which the Commonwealth drafts during a time of war for want of a standing Army in peacetime. The standing Commonwealth Navy is funded by the several States and Cantons but operated as an amalgam through the Combined Defense Forces of the Commonwealth.

A Nightwatchman State that ever seeks to progress to functional Anarchy is the way to go. I would love to live in a nation where the Conservatives are Libertarian and the "progressivists" are ever seeking to constitutionally shed what little artificially external government coercion that still needs to exist to stop force and fraud. It still irks me that those who call themselves Progressives want to progress us to death (not to mention progress us to forced labor and depredation to boot).

Miri islands wrote:Speculation is half the fun. The other half of the fun is actually doing it which has led to great triumphs like the United States and great failures like the Soviet Union. I just wish some of the other enlightenment philosophers got their way. We've seen Locke and Smiths ideas played out in America then watched Rousseau's ideas fail in France. I want to see hobbes or Voltaire get a swing at it.

I would think that half of Rousseau's ideas had sway with our founders. Hobbes seems alive and well in Post WW2 US Beltway/Deep State and in Post Cultural Revolution US Cityscapes the Voltaire is strong in the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, not to mention any Magistrate Court where the judge thinks himself/herself the benevolent dictator instead of honoring his/her Constitutional duties.

Narland wrote:I would think that half of Rousseau's ideas had sway with our founders. Hobbes seems alive and well in Post WW2 US Beltway/Deep State and in Post Cultural Revolution US Cityscapes the Voltaire is strong in the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, not to mention any Magistrate Court where the judge thinks himself/herself the benevolent dictator instead of honoring his/her Constitutional duties.

If it was as voltaire wanted the judges would be performing their Constitutional duty. A dictator that doesn't follow the constitution and violates rights is a Tyrant. I think you also misrepresented Hobbes by associating him with the deep state. While he was influenced by Machiavellian politics, his idea was an absolute enlightened monarch with divine right to rule

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

The United States of Patriots wrote:SUPREME HEADQUARTERS
ALLIED EXPEDITIONARY FORCE

Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force!

You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hope and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts, you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over the oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world.

Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is will trained, well equipped and battle-hardened. He will fight savagely.

But this is the year 1944! Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned! The free men of the world are marching together to Victory!

I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full Victory!

Good luck! And let us beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

That generation of Allied Forces from the four corners of the Earth gave they all. I hope that their sacrifices to deliver us from Fascism, National Socialism and Imperialist Conquest are never forgotten. May we learn from history and honor their memory.

***WW2 Anecdote Alert***
My maternal Grandfather would be 100 this year (20 years after his passing). He was airdropped 14 miles off course and caught in a slough with a dozen others being picked off by a sniper. A french resistance fighter saved their lives and helped guide them until there was a front to get back to, demolishing enemy targets along the way. He fought from Northern France thru the Battle of the Bulge all the way to the Austrian Expedition and back to the Berlin Occupation. Of his original troop I am told only 4 survived.

He wouldn't talk about his service except rarely here and only briefly usually during watching a war movie to point out some inconsistency -- like how they saved the Lipizzaner herd wasn't anything like the movie. I had to find out most of it by looking up his endeavors when I was in Europe and from some of his war buddies that also survived. He was in the same unit that captured the corpulent Goering trying to pass himself off as a German infantry private when all the other surrendered privates were skin and bones from the devastation of war. "Goering was very easy to spot."
***End Anecdote***

Post by Highway Eighty-Eight suppressed by a moderator.

Narland wrote:That generation of Allied Forces from the four corners of the Earth gave they all. I hope that their sacrifices to deliver us from Fascism, National Socialism and Imperialist Conquest are never forgotten. May we learn from history and honor their memory.

***WW2 Anecdote Alert***
My maternal Grandfather would be 100 this year (20 years after his passing). He was airdropped 14 miles off course and caught in a slough with a dozen others being picked off by a sniper. A french resistance fighter saved their lives and helped guide them until there was a front to get back to, demolishing enemy targets along the way. He fought from Northern France thru the Battle of the Bulge all the way to the Austrian Expedition and back to the Berlin Occupation. Of his original troop I am told only 4 survived.

He wouldn't talk about his service except rarely here and only briefly usually during watching a war movie to point out some inconsistency -- like how they saved the Lipizzaner herd wasn't anything like the movie. I had to find out most of it by looking up his endeavors when I was in Europe and from some of his war buddies that also survived. He was in the same unit that captured the corpulent Goering trying to pass himself off as a German infantry private when all the other surrendered privates were skin and bones from the devastation of war. "Goering was very easy to spot."
***End Anecdote***

Its always great hearing the stories of those who's family had served. So I'm going to take the chance to share some of mine.
My grandfathers brother, though he was sort of a grandfather to me as my grandfather died when my dad was 17, fought in the battle of the bulge as well. He lasted from D-Day plus one to the liberation of Czechoslovakia. My Mothers Father however wasn't as lucky, he lasted from D-Day plus 6 to June 23. Just one day longer than the average infantryman. He was near-fatally wounded in the forests near Cherbourg after being hit by anti-air guns converted to anti-personal, he ended up spending 2 years in the hospital. He was just 19 at the time. A more fun anecdote of his, he trained in the 42nd (Rainbow) Infantry Division and then later transfer to the 79th (cross of lorraine) Infantry Division before deploying. He met my grandmother at the Rainbow Rendezvous( A dancing venue formally in Salt Lake City), And her name is Lorraine.

I have not been able to reach forum.nationstates.net in a couple of days. Anyone else have the same issue?

Narland wrote:I have not been able to reach forum.nationstates.net in a couple of days. Anyone else have the same issue?

Never bothered getting on there

I'm finally making contact with my local LP affiliate in a few weeks. I'm convinced 90% of the reason we don't have a Libertarian president is the fault of the Libertarian party. I've been trying to make contact for so long. I'm having to go a county over to even find an active chapter.

Skaveria wrote:I'm finally making contact with my local LP affiliate in a few weeks. I'm convinced 90% of the reason we don't have a Libertarian president is the fault of the Libertarian party. I've been trying to make contact for so long. I'm having to go a county over to even find an active chapter.

Part of the problem is nobody takes them seriously and because of that they have scarce resources

Skaveria wrote:I'm finally making contact with my local LP affiliate in a few weeks. I'm convinced 90% of the reason we don't have a Libertarian president is the fault of the Libertarian party. I've been trying to make contact for so long. I'm having to go a county over to even find an active chapter.

If people truly believed in a libertarian party and were truly willing to cooperate to advance the cause of liberty, we'd have a much stronger one right now.

Of all of the potential supporters that a genuine libertarian movement might have, however, the smart ones are hopping on the Democratic bandwagon, the ambitious ones are trying to reform the Republican one, and the vast majority of others are looking to the current president, throwing up their hands, and saying "good enough" or even "exactly what we needed" when we all know, deep down, that it is not so.

West smolcasm wrote:If people truly believed in a libertarian party and were truly willing to cooperate to advance the cause of liberty, we'd have a much stronger one right now.

Of all of the potential supporters that a genuine libertarian movement might have, however, the smart ones are hopping on the Democratic bandwagon, the ambitious ones are trying to reform the Republican one, and the vast majority of others are looking to the current president, throwing up their hands, and saying "good enough" or even "exactly what we needed" when we all know, deep down, that it is not so.

Imo Trump is more libertarian than the average Republican. Paul would've been the dream, but Trump isn't bad.

Despite what the left says, Trump is way more socially liberal than previous administrations. Honestly the ONLY social policy I can think of that I disagree with is the trans military ban.

He posed behind a rainbow flag for goodness sakes, that would've torpedoed any candidate's campaign that was pandering to evangelicals.

I heard him say, in a room full of Republicans, on live television, that "Planned Parenthood does some wonderful things." That in itself should've cost him the nomination. He was talking about things other than abortion though.

He was loved by the black community for years until he ran for president, but they accuse all Republicans of racism when they run. They pick the most moderate, milk-toast Republican to fake "love" until they actually try to do anything remotely conservative. This go around it was Kasich, next it'll probably be whoever hints at primarying him.

The only non-libertarian economic policies are the tariffs and subsidies, but he's been slashing taxes and regulations like a modern day Reagan champion.

Give him his credit guys.

Pevvania

The states of balloon

Jadentopian order wrote:Abolish the government but unironically

this but unironically

I do support Trump's tariff war on China. China doesn't have a remotely free market workers are literally enslaved in many parts of the country and with central planning they can manipulate their currency to get out of debt. China should be reigned in and allow workers freedom to self determination and control their monetary manipulation. Otherwise I don't care if China subsidizes their businesses it means they're basically giving us money when we import their products. The tarriffs on Mexico are harder to justify but I do appreciate that there's no military threat being made. As for the trans military ban I have this to say. I was rejected from the Navy for having Asperger's syndrome. I'm fairly normal and I would be able to function in any assigned role and do it exceptionally well. Trans people literally have a cripling disphoria yet we allow them to serve. It may be a tired mantra but military service is not a right

Pevvania

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