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Luckynia wrote:Why was Kaltionis on the regional ban list?

There were some incidents on discord.

Mandimbisoa wrote:Why do we have a fascist within our region? (lol)
If you already talked about it, I don't care ...

Which nation do you mean?

Mandimbisoa wrote:Why do we have a fascist within our region? (lol)
If you already talked about it, I don't care ...

Which one?

Stroznia wrote:Which one?

Crowltopia lol

Mandimbisoa wrote:Crowltopia lol

We haven’t talked about it. How do you know they’re fash?

Stroznia wrote:We haven’t talked about it. How do you know they’re fash?

I don't know if they are fascists or not what I know is that they solved problems so their nation became fascist (lol)

Hello all! I am Rossa Apidae a young nation that currently falls under " democratic socialism". However we strive to build a community of individuals guided under anarchism and communalism, and are strongly influenced by the works of Murray Bookchin! Nice to meet you all!

~~~Anywho...I was just browing around this fine regions documentation and came accross the Corporate police state of "Lady Lolita", which to me sounds like maybe a troll? They seem to be new to the region as well. As a young nation I do not know the ins and outs of how yu as a region function, however i do feel that maybe they don't align with our goals?

AFAIK our current policy is that somebody has to actually *do something* trollish to warrant being treated like a troll.

Nation categories, names, etc. don’t necessarily reflect the OOC views of their owners. Some of us have non-Anarchist puppets here for example.

If you feel that’s the wrong approach, feel free to make the case why, and we can have a discussion and maybe change it.

Particularly I’d like to hear World Anarchic Union weight in, as the security officer.

Kassimo

Stroznia wrote:AFAIK our current policy is that somebody has to actually *do something* trollish to warrant being treated like a troll.

Nation categories, names, etc. don’t necessarily reflect the OOC views of their owners. Some of us have non-Anarchist puppets here for example.

If you feel that’s the wrong approach, feel free to make the case why, and we can have a discussion and maybe change it.

Particularly I’d like to hear World Anarchic Union weight in, as the security officer.

Yes, this is what I’d support and what de facto is the case. This is a region for RL anarchists and leftists in general, what someone RPs as shouldn’t be a problem with their standing here, with the exception ofc if they are being gratuitous or using the excuse of the RP to promote bigoted and hateful views without any degree of criticism which we shouldn’t allow imo.

Generally, the expression of hateful views and bigotry in any form should be discouraged. This is still more informal though, there aren’t exceptionally specific rules.

Libertarian Australia, Kassimo, and Rossa apidae

We even have had ooc right-wing players come in and try to start debates, but so far they've been civil enough and didn't cause a mess cause we knew not to take bait. Turned into a good opportunity to write about/clarify our views. So I'm even okay with things like that, so long as they're aware they're guests in our house.

I would suggest if somebody is going to RP a "bad guy" nation in the board, they might want to include a disclaimer or something in their first post. It hasn't come up though bc we haven't had a lot of RP lately.

World Anarchic Union, Kassimo, and Rossa apidae

Anarkata
https://anarkataastatement.wordpress.com/

"Anarkata emerges as a response to the political alienation that has been experienced by Black anarcho adjacent leftists who reject both the whiteness of traditional anarchism and the authoritarianism of some forms of Black nationalism."

Distinctively Dionysian
https://distinctivelydionysian.noblogs.org/

"Heretics, Free Spirits, Iconoclasts, Outlaws, Subverters, Incendiary Lovers, Rebels with dark laughter…
Distinctively Dionysian is for you."

Snapshots from the Uprising
https://crimethinc.com/2020/06/17/snapshots-from-the-uprising-accounts-from-three-weeks-of-countrywide-revolt

"In the following analysis, we review the series of movements that led to the uprising in response to the murder of George Floyd, explore the factors that made the uprising so powerful, discuss the threats facing it, and conclude with a series of accounts from participants in Minneapolis, New York City, Richmond, Grand Rapids, Austin, Seattle, and elsewhere around the country."

Call for International Week of Solidarity With Anarchist Prisoners 23–30 August 2020
https://solidarity.international/

"This is a call for you to act in solidarity with imprisoned anarchists all around the world. From the 23rd of August 2020—the day of execution of Sacco and Vanzetti, you can do everything, limited only by your imagination. Put some of that vast imagination into action to make people feel your energy and show our collective strength in revolutionary struggle!"

Life and times at the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
https://roarmag.org/essays/life-and-times-at-the-capitol-hill-autonomous-zone/

"Following a long tradition of left revolutionary praxis, protesters in Seattle have declared a cop-free autonomous zone in the heart of the city."

Towards a History of Anarchist Anti-Imperialism: Only the Workers and Peasants Will Go All the Way
https://blackrosefed.org/lucien-history-anarchist-anti-imperialism/

"Reordering the global hierarchy of wealth, power, and resources are critical questions that any internationalist revolution will face. Often ignored or obscured, South African author Lucien van der Walt provides a well needed overview of the relationship between anarchism and anti-colonial struggles."

Libertarian Australia and Baja california autonoma

Hi Stroznia! Thank you for this clarification. I think t

World Anarchic Union wrote:Yes, this is what I’d support and what de facto is the case. This is a region for RL anarchists and leftists in general, what someone RPs as shouldn’t be a problem with their standing here, with the exception ofc if they are being gratuitous or using the excuse of the RP to promote bigoted and hateful views without any degree of criticism which we shouldn’t allow imo.

Generally, the expression of hateful views and bigotry in any form should be discouraged. This is still more informal though, there aren’t exceptionally specific rules.

This seems like a perfectly good policy to me! again thank you for the clarification.

Wait Deja vu - Kassimo didn’t we already establish an embassy with Urras and Anarres a few weeks ago? If so, happy to reestablish. Did something happen?

Stroznia wrote:Wait Deja vu - Kassimo didn’t we already establish an embassy with Urras and Anarres a few weeks ago? If so, happy to reestablish. Did something happen?

Haha, we voted in favour of building embassies with them but our request expired before they had voted on it.

Hi guys! What do you think of Bookchin?
And are there still great anarchist theorists right now?

Libertarian Australia and Overstimulated lal

Mandimbisoa wrote:Hi guys! What do you think of Bookchin?
And are there still great anarchist theorists right now?

I thought there were some great ideas in his earlier anarchist writings, especially his introduction of ecological ideas. The later libertarian-municipalist politics I think are a backwards step, however. What do you think of him?

Kassimo wrote:I thought there were some great ideas in his earlier anarchist writings, especially his introduction of ecological ideas. The later libertarian-municipalist politics I think are a backwards step, however. What do you think of him?

I see Bookchin as a revival for anarchist thought ...

Otherwise, I'm always looking for scientists who are interested in anarchism ...

Mandimbisoa wrote:Hi guys! What do you think of Bookchin?
And are there still great anarchist theorists right now?

Well, Bookchin has some influence in my ideas. However, I reject some of them or I prefer a different approach. For example (and this has more to do with communalists/lib municipalists), many libertarian municipalists see municipal elections as a tool and have a closet reformist point of view regarding municipal politics.

Libertarian Australia wrote:Well, Bookchin has some influence in my ideas. However, I reject some of them or I prefer a different approach. For example (and this has more to do with communalists/lib municipalists), many libertarian municipalists see municipal elections as a tool and have a closet reformist point of view regarding municipal politics.

Ah ... However, I still see him as a revolutionary who organizes change before embarking on his fight against the state by creating a certain form of cohesion of the anarchist movement at the local level before fighting against State which is at a higher level ... But hey, I'm not based on his writings but rather on what I understood from a video on youtube ... (lol)

Mandimbisoa wrote:Hi guys! What do you think of Bookchin?
And are there still great anarchist theorists right now?

I dislike Bookchin.
I appreciate his environmentalism, because I too am an environmentalist and love science.
But Bookchin’s not an anarchist.

He even said so himself - he broke away from anarchism in 1995 and said, among other things, that anarchists “misunderstand power”

His ideology of Libertarian Municipalism means city-states with direct democracy — it isn’t anarchist.

A city-state is still a state, as it still has laws, lawmaking, law enforcement, etc. Some who get to impose their will and others who are imposed upon;

A city is still such a large entity that in order to make decisions at the city scale we are forced to delegate power - Bookchin promises “face-to-face” democracy, but delivers a system where neighborhood assemblies elect deputies who serve on councils.

And of course, direct democracy is tyranny of the majority. Domination of the strong over the weak by way of “strength-in-numbers.”

Bookchin even rejected consensus decision-making processes, which are just about the only voting methods that can allow a large group to make decisions by voting *without* committing tyranny by the majority.

Consensus is the least-libertarian form of social arrangement I’d accept and he wouldn’t even go there.

Bookchin also split the Anarchist movement very badly by labeling his critics as bogeyman “lifestyle anarchists,” deriding individualist anarchism as “juvenile antics”.

This is stuff Bookchin did openly and proudly - it’s all outlined in this article by a friend of Bookchin’s outlining his break with anarchism in his own words:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/janet-biehl-bookchin-breaks-with-anarchism

Mandimbisoa and Overstimulated lal

Stroznia wrote:A city is still such a large entity that in order to make decisions at the city scale we are forced to delegate power - Bookchin promises “face-to-face” democracy, but delivers a system where neighborhood assemblies elect deputies who serve on councils.

Neighbourhood assemblies would be face-to-face, no; as long as the delegates cannot unilaterally enforce their decisions and/or are recallable by said assemblies, I'm not seeing the problem?

Stroznia wrote:And of course, direct democracy is tyranny of the majority. Domination of the strong over the weak by way of “strength-in-numbers.”

That depends on what the majority claims jurisdiction over; I'm not sure it can be both without significant equivocation on "democracy".

Thank you for answering me,
it feels good to be surrounded by brothers and sisters' "anar" ... xD

it will take me time to read your article in addition to your long comment ... :p

New poll up on the subject of a latest embassy request

Also, as we haven’t been getting many embassy requests lately I’d like to start sending out a few of our own.

Does anybody have suggestions for places you’d like an embassy with?

For example I would like to send one to Hippy Haven, a region Strřznia dwelled in for some time years back.

Kassimo

Stroznia wrote:Also, as we haven’t been getting many embassy requests lately I’d like to start sending out a few of our own.

Does anybody have suggestions for places you’d like an embassy with?

For example I would like to send one to Hippy Haven, a region Strřznia dwelled in for some time years back.

I think we had embassies with them in the FAC

Stroznia wrote:I dislike Bookchin.
I appreciate his environmentalism, because I too am an environmentalist and love science.
But Bookchin’s not an anarchist.

He even said so himself - he broke away from anarchism in 1995 and said, among other things, that anarchists “misunderstand power”

His ideology of Libertarian Municipalism means city-states with direct democracy — it isn’t anarchist.

A city-state is still a state, as it still has laws, lawmaking, law enforcement, etc. Some who get to impose their will and others who are imposed upon;

A city is still such a large entity that in order to make decisions at the city scale we are forced to delegate power - Bookchin promises “face-to-face” democracy, but delivers a system where neighborhood assemblies elect deputies who serve on councils.

And of course, direct democracy is tyranny of the majority. Domination of the strong over the weak by way of “strength-in-numbers.”

Bookchin even rejected consensus decision-making processes, which are just about the only voting methods that can allow a large group to make decisions by voting *without* committing tyranny by the majority.

Consensus is the least-libertarian form of social arrangement I’d accept and he wouldn’t even go there.

Bookchin also split the Anarchist movement very badly by labeling his critics as bogeyman “lifestyle anarchists,” deriding individualist anarchism as “juvenile antics”.

This is stuff Bookchin did openly and proudly - it’s all outlined in this article by a friend of Bookchin’s outlining his break with anarchism in his own words:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/janet-biehl-bookchin-breaks-with-anarchism

I finally read everything on your article! xD
And I see where you are going with this.
However, I am more in favor of a libertarian municipalism insofar as all the citizens who are members of the municipality are the real decision-makers.
Bookchin's idea is not to destroy political power but rather to suppress it as a privilege of a particular class.
I see an anarchist heritage in this way of seeing it ... xD
Regarding the delegates of the municipality, they are not more than people responsible for binding the great confederation of municipalities, unlike normal beginners, they do not legislate. They are apolitical.
And finally with regard to the law of the majority, he also explained that in fact, if we launched into the consensus, and not into the majority system, there would be no more politics, there would be no more politics. There would be no intelligent debate ... xD Moreover, by consensus, I could possibly manipulate the supporters of a minority position so that they take my side before any public debate without their ideas having been announced ... The rule of the majority guarantee the promotion of all ideas ...

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