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Ecclestia wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for your question!

The UCN School of Theology is non-denominational and we welcome everyone from all backgrounds to study with us.

The School is operated under the auspice of the Union of Christian Nations and the NS Community Church. The Statement of Faith for the 2 entities is based on the Apostles Creed. It is attached below:

Statement of Faith

by The Democratic Commonwealth of Ecclestia

⚐ ⇒ Statement of Faith

UNION OF CHRISTIAN NATIONS

STATEMENT OF FAITH

STATEMENT OF FAITH

We believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.

We believe in Jesus Christ, God's only Son, the Messiah and our Lord,
who was conceived by the holy spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to the dead.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
and he will come again to judge the living and the dead.

We believe in the holy spirit,
the holy universal church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

NOTE: This Statement of Faith is derived from a modern English translation of the Apostle’s Creed. Some of the Churches which use the Apostle's Creed include the Catholic Church, Orthodox Church, Anglican Communion, Lutherans, United Methodist Church, Reformed Churches, Baptists, Presbyterians, Uniting Church in Australia and the United Church of Christ among others.

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We teach from an academic perspective and aim to introduce students to these different theological discussions and empower students to make their own determination based on sound hermanutics. For example, in then unit on the Holy Spirit we present the standpoints of cessationists, charismatics and Pentecostals without an endorsement of any of these views and encourage students to critically analyse these perspectives. This is an example of the consistent approach we use throughout our units.

Our aim is to educate and empower as opposed to persuade and implicate based on a narrow theological framework. I hope that makes sense.

If you have any other questions, please let me know. If you do take a unit, I’d love to hear your feedback!

I appreciate your replying. However, and I say this respectfully, the Apostles' Creed, which predates most of the ecumenical councils of the church, is so broad and open to interpretation that it is not a satisfactory standalone test of orthodoxy, as even the most heterodox groups can uphold the statements contained therein. This is why most credal denominations subscribe to other, more comprehensive statements, such as the Westminster Confession, Canons of Dort, the Augsburg Confession, etc. Most orthodox theological colleges and seminaries (including those that are non-denominational) have a detailed statement of faith, which is only fair to their potential students, and provides the ability to discern whether such an institution offers an education that is orthodox.

Should you provide a full statement of faith, I would be happy to read and consider it.

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Ecclestia wrote:

Thanks for the reply.

I’ll be honest I’m saying that I did consider developing a more robust statement of faith for the School. The reason why I didn’t is something I touched on above. I had the choice to either lead people down my theological mindset or I could present the diversity of Christian opinion and thought in an educative way. Instead or trying to create arminians or calvinists I decided to introduce everyone to both, highlight some strengths and weaknesses and through a method of systematic interpretation arrive at their own conclusion. I didn’t want to spoon feed, I want to encourage critical thinkers.

With this mindset, it would be very difficult to set a more robust statement of faith. If we look at all the arguments for the operation of the Holy Spirit, how can I properly define that. If we look at both Arminianism and Calvinism, how can I define that?

In this world of increasing religious tribalism, I’m attempting to do the exact opposite and give people the chance to explore these different ideas and equip them with the tools to analyse them.

My purpose is to educate not to dictate a specific line.

Let’s not loose the forest in the trees. When the purpose of the school is taken account of, such a statement is less critical.

I think my personal stances of the theological issues are less important - I could certainly develop a personal statement of faith but as I’m not imposing my theological views on the School which makes this an issues of lower priority.

I’d encourage you to take a unit and I’d be more than happy to hear your feedback. Until then, any judgement pertaining to the level of orthodoxy is not the most fruitful area of concentration.

God Bless

Actually I think judging whether something is orthodox or not is of prime importance. I don't need to attend a Buddhist temple, for example, to decide whether it is right.

"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ." Jude 3, 4 (ESV)

"And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment, so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ," (Phil. 1:9-10)

I think I'll pass.

Ecclestia wrote:

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Thanks for this. Lets continue this discussion by telegram as I think you may be able to help me in some capacity

I forget to mentioned that based on Ecclestia explaination earlier I conclude that Ecclestia, UCN School of Theology and NationStates Christian Community Church [Union of Christian Nations] basically adhered the following theological doctrine.

https://www.gotquestions.org/unitarianism.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christadelphianism.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/oneness-Jesus-only.html;

https://carm.org/what-unitarianism

https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal-theology

https://carm.org/introduction-christadelphianism

With all due respect and for the sake of the truth of the gospel, trinitian church -; protestant church are WARNED to AVOID to yoke with this group because their theology basically under the cult group. While Ecclestia try to earn support and recognition among the TRINITIAN but the problem is that Ecclestia adhered to heresy theology. What he's doing basically openly endorse their belief to this region which is I see quite disturbing. The rest keep quiet perhaps either way they were too ignorance or being liberal or don't really care but I had this responsibility to explain why Ecclestia course , his church, his region and his belief totally unorthodox and unbiblical. How could I possible sign up a course from unreliable and unbiblical theology source? Ecclestia also reject the foundation of reformation of the Christian church ; Arminianism and calvinism. This is not an assumption but bare fact. This sound more cult.

Trinitian belives in TRINITY GOD while UNITARIAN does not believe so. Thus the NON DENOMINATION concept that being emphasized by Ecclestia is VOID.

This would be my conclusion.

2 Corinthians 6:14 (ESV)

Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

Taehan minguk, I unequivocably draw the line at unsubstantiated and false claims. Particularly when I am implicated. I was raised a Baptist and attend a Church of Christ. I hold to orthodox theology and am NOT a Unitarian and I am not conspiring against anything. I will simply not take that. I warned you politely before. This is your FINAL WARNING. I am saddened to be at this point with you. Calm down and be nice.

Maybe I should not post here, but reading all this, I think it's important to mention, that you actually need to think for yourself. I think the best way to come to terms with what you believe, is actually to read, as much as you can, in this case, about the different Christian denominations.

And where also hearing educated pastors in Bible studies, explaining the Bible, what the text means at different places, and hearing them talk about the texts, and where they can also go into, what the other denominations believe about the texts, in contrast to what they believe, and why actually they believe what they believe.

Where you, yourself, have to make your own decision about it, by critical thinking, and not narrow mindedness. You need to be open minded, to some degree, at least, to take in new information for you to process and determine, if there is something to this or not, in your view. You learn all your life, and that never stops.

So my beliefs, will probably be different from yours, based on how much information we have processed about it, and what sources we have received it from. And I would also say our brains, which also are different, as we usually think in different ways.

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We all give praise to Christ and God in our own ways but we all still believe he died a savior and thank him for it. That's what truly matters in the end really.

To an extent. However, sound doctrine is essential (and we are not talking about minor issues such as what liturgy to use, but about such things as the very nature of God, the requirements for atonement, etc.). It is possible to worship a false Christ and be rejected at judgement.

Matthew 7:21-23 is chilling: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'"

According to such passages as 1 Timothy 6:3-4; 1 Timothy 4:6; 1 Timothy 4:2-3; Titus 1:9; Titus 2:1, etc. sound doctrine matters, a lot!

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Ecclestia wrote:

Just wanting to clarify that this is not me but great to see someone else who has a similar idea in regards to nation name!

Great minds think alike!

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