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I have received a telegram from the TKE's Exterior Minister.

Trive 38 wrote:I have received a telegram from the TKE's Exterior Minister.

Yes, they send out a mass TG.

Sanctaria wrote:Yes, they send out a mass TG.

So, has this region's "attacks" been fact-checked?

Trive 38 wrote:So, has this region's "attacks" been fact-checked?

Yes.

They are raiders. It's an integral part of the Independence philosophy. The IDU doesn't support raiding.

Sanctaria wrote:Yes.

They are raiders. It's an integral part of the Independence philosophy. The IDU doesn't support raiding.

We don’t condone raiding or defending, right?

Libertas Omnium Maximus wrote:We don’t condone raiding or defending, right?

We don't participate in R/D in that we don't make military alliances and we don't actively go defending.

But IDU is explicitly against raiding. We say nothing about defending.

Note, by the way, that this nation was already within the top 01% for both 'Most Cultured' and 'Happiest' when its Commendation was drafted & passed (with it passing on 21st November 2013), so it's now spent five years+ just moving slowly upwards through that 01%...

In case folks haven't seen, the author of the current SC proposal just admitted to fabricating large portions of the thing, seemingly for no other reason than to troll the community

North Cross wrote:In case folks haven't seen, the author of the current SC proposal just admitted to fabricating large portions of the thing, seemingly for no other reason than to troll the community

Not quite large portions - they fabricated "evidence" of one example. Still reprehensible, but doesn't take away from the fact the LKE are raiders.

Laeral has removed his vote because of the fabrication, and I would encourage other individuals to think about their votes. IDU does vote to condemn raiders, but we also don't like people lying and deceiving to pass resolutions.

Sanctaria wrote:Not quite large portions - they fabricated "evidence" of one example

Just re-read their post. You are correct.

I think I misinterpreted this post:

This proposal was a series of increasingly ridiculous claims and my team and I got a real laugh when it almost passed anyway.

I read "ridiculous" to refer to the content included within, but I think it simply referred to the tone. Thanks for correcting me.

Yo can we do a Condemn Consular?

Thanks for the kick from the Discord Sanct. You really know how to make this region feel welcoming. Hope your ego isn’t too hurt.

Gonhog wrote:Thanks for the kick from the Discord Sanct.

You're welcome.

Sanctaria wrote:You're welcome.

Well, Sanctaria, it's terribly sad that you kicked out people from the Discord because you disagreed with them, and managed to throw a temper tantrum afterwards because you couldn't handle the criticism, stating that you're **somehow** immune to criticism because you voluntarily spent money on the region.
EDIT: And this isn't even the first time you booted someone from the server over a minor discussion.

Trive 38 wrote:Well, Sanctaria, it's terribly sad that you kicked out people from the Discord because you disagreed with them, and managed to throw a temper tantrum afterwards because you couldn't handle the criticism, stating that you're **somehow** immune to criticism because you voluntarily spent money on the region.

Yes, absolutely. I put my hands up and say I should not have done that, and I apologise unreservedly to both affected parties for my actions tonight.

Not in a good mood today/tonight, and I took it out on people who didn't deserve it. Many apologies to UNE and Gonhog.

Sanctaria wrote:Yes, absolutely. I put my hands up and say I should not have done that, and I apologise unreservedly to both affected parties for my actions tonight.

Not in a good mood today/tonight, and I took it out on people who didn't deserve it. Many apologies to UNE and Gonhog.

This would do good if it was a one-time offense only.
But you've already did it more than once, with LOM.
I sincerely doubt of your capabilities of running the Discord server, or being the one responsible for the forum and the IDU wiki after your comments threatening to pull the funding for it, potentially affecting nations that were not involved in the downright silly discussion just out of spite.

Trive 38 wrote:This would do good if it was a one-time offense only.
But you've already did it more than once, with LOM.
I sincerely doubt of your capabilities of running the Discord server, or being the one responsible for the forum and the IDU wiki after your comments threatening to pull the funding for it, potentially affecting nations that were not involved in the downright silly discussion just out of spite.

I'll make Laeral an admin on the Discord once his term is up.

With the wiki and the forum, I pay for them (voluntarily, yes) so handing them over isn't possible. And despite my temper tantrum to the contrary, I wouldn't actually do anything that would harm the forum or the wiki since those things would make me an outcast in NS. I am Site Staff here and it would end my career, more or less, so I can guarantee you on the job I've held here for almost a decade that wouldn't happen.

As I said, I do apologise unreservedly - my temper does get the better of me on Discord - and as I've said, I'll make sure another admin is appointed to ensure when I do wrong, I am appropriately disciplined also.

Sanctaria wrote:I'll make Laeral an admin on the Discord once his term is up.

With the wiki and the forum, I pay for them (voluntarily, yes) so handing them over isn't possible. And despite my temper tantrum to the contrary, I wouldn't actually do anything that would harm the forum or the wiki since those things would make me an outcast in NS. I am Site Staff here and it would end my career, more or less, so I can guarantee you on the job I've held here for almost a decade that wouldn't happen.

As I said, I do apologise unreservedly - my temper does get the better of me on Discord - and as I've said, I'll make sure another admin is appointed to ensure when I do wrong, I am appropriately disciplined also.

So... I was away for the weekend and missed this fiasco. With that said, I have sent out some DMs and effectively have a working understanding of the events that transpired(I would have had a better understanding if “someone” hadn’t deleted all of the conversation).

This has happened before. I was briefly ejected from the discord several months ago over an equally stupid argument. I was let back in a few days later with an apology similar to this. Yet.. History repeats itself.

I don’t think Sanctaria is in anyway unqualified for the role of Wiki/Regional Forums Admin. He is the owner of them and pays money for them. Taking them away from him is legally impossible. Also, he has been a pretty good Admin for them. In short, I have no issues with him still running the Forums and Wiki.

Regarding the discord however, he sometimes lacks the ability to distinguish between someone arguing with him and someone doing something kick worthy. Being kicked from the discord should happen only to people who would be easily recognized as having said something inexcusable like promoting naziism, RL violence, of sexual stuff. Having a different opinion, especially on something like whether or not the IDU should be Greco-Roman themed is not something you should be kicked for. With that in mind, if sanctaria truely recognizes the gravity of his mistake, he should appoint a permanent Co-Admin (who will have equal abilities) on the discord.
This should happen right now. Not in a week, not in a month, not in a year. It can be anyone Sanct chooses but he should consult with them on the #admin thread of the discord before he ejects anyone.

Edit: If this hasn’t been done yet, Sanct should also formally invite both individuals back into the Discord. Not “let back in” He should “formally invite” them back in.

On this occasion, no one was kicked for disagreeing with me. I can see why it appears this way, but this seems to be a misunderstanding and I'd like to clear this right up.

Because Discord are limited by channels, and because conversation can be fast moving, it's considered rude to switch topics in the middle of the conversation. I got annoyed when instead of talking about the idea, I instead had to spend 30 minutes talking about the basics of standardizing canon for MT roleplay (which under normal circumstances, I would have been happy to do). Given my suggestion was OOC in nature, not IC, this annoyed me.

I got annoyed at that, and at the responses to me when I expressed my frustration at having repost the suggestion again because 200+ messages pushed it way to the back of the chat where no one would see it again.

And then those responses to my frustration pushed the suggestion back again! So I was doubly annoyed.

I'm not defending myself, I'm in the wrong 100%, but it wasn't over people disagreeing with me. I felt people completely disrespected the work I put into the idea where it wasn't even going to be discussed. If people didn't like it, whatever. But it should have at least had a fair chance at exposure.

Now, on reflection, those questions were perfectly fine and it only took 3 seconds to copy and paste the suggestion again. Or I should have posted it on the forum. So I'm not placing blame on anyone else, just to be clear.

So it wasn't over disagreeing with me at all. Like I said, I'm putting my hands up and saying I absolutely should not have done that, but at the same time I do feel obliged to correct misunderstandings about what led me to do the kicks.

I can promote someone to admin now, sure.

Done. It's Lauch.

Edit: I can't create new admins on the discord so I had to ask Scion to do it since he owns the server (not me, btw, I don't own the discord server which seems to be another point of confusion. He's also an admin btw). But he's on it.

Edit2: That's done now.

Big congratulations to Gnejs on winning the IDU Football Championships.

Lauchenoirian elections are set to take place on the 16th June. You can follow them, and other news from Lauchenoiria, by reading Lauchenoirian Guardian articles on the forum here: https://theidu.us/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1940

My economy is rising! Soon it will be classified as ''Frightening'',I guess.

Anglia-Saxia wrote:My economy is rising! Soon it will be classified as ''Frightening'',I guess.

Welcome to the Club! The first rule of the Club: "You do not talk about the Club". Oops, guess I did...

Naboompu wrote:Welcome to the Club! The first rule of the Club: "You do not talk about the Club". Oops, guess I did...

Thanks! I was about to say that i'm not so ready for it because I fell in economy,but when i checked the stats it stayed as 96/100,as it was.

Anglia-Saxia wrote:Thanks! I was about to say that i'm not so ready for it because I fell in economy,but when i checked the stats it stayed as 96/100,as it was.

I can tell you that once you join the “Frightening” club, it is hard to leave. What happens in the club stays in the club. It has been nearly 2 years since my economy became frightening. It has never changed.

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