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Regional Power: Very High

International Democratic Union contains 202 nations, the 59th most in the world.

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The Most Extensive Civil Rights in International Democratic Union

The citizens of nations ranked highly enjoy a great amount of civil rights, or freedoms to go about their personal business without interference or regulation from government.

As a region, International Democratic Union is ranked 8,262nd in the world for Most Extensive Civil Rights.

NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Republic of East CourelliAnarchy“Nobilitatis virtus non stemma character”
2.The Kingdom of Gumball7Anarchy“Work hard, play hard”
3.The Republic of ArarionAnarchy“Smile, it gets you money”
4.The Borderlands of EliksniaAnarchy“Taniks has no house”
5.The Republic of HappylandyAnarchy“Grab the bull by the horns”
6.The Kingdom of SouronAnarchy“Unity and Justice”
7.The People's Lonesome Common of ToumbaLeft-wing Utopia“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”
8.The Democratic Republic of BlackstargateLeft-wing Utopia“Land of the fighters”
9.The Holy Green Free Land of The Ursine NorthlandsAnarchy“On Land and Sea, The Bears are Free!”
10.The Free Bears of Bears ArmedCivil Rights Lovefest“Do we WHAT in the woods?”
1234. . .2021»

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International Democratic Union Regional Message Board

Trive 38 wrote:Trive is a defender of the freedom of every citizen of the region.

Then the Trivian Empire's diplomatic representative will be made aware that persistent, uninvited attempts to influence domestic policy and law in the C.D.S.P. will be considered diplomatic hostility, and that the C.D.S.P. will respond in a manner consistent with other hostile diplomatic measures.

The C.D.S.P. would rather not declare Trivian diplomatic staff personae non grata, nor either expel them. Nonetheless, if that is the diplomatic tone that the Trivian Empire desires, the C.D.S.P. will respond accordingly.

The Laeralian diplomatic delegation in New Gettysburg, Confederate Dominion of Separatist Peoples, has released a statement indicating that the Laeralian government supports the principle of religious freedom as well as the right to secular governance, and that the Laeralian Ministry of Foreign Affairs hopes that both of those rights are met within all IDU member nations.

Separatist Peoples wrote:Then the Trivian Empire's diplomatic representative will be made aware that persistent, uninvited attempts to influence domestic policy and law in the C.D.S.P. will be considered diplomatic hostility, and that the C.D.S.P. will respond in a manner consistent with other hostile diplomatic measures.

The C.D.S.P. would rather not declare Trivian diplomatic staff personae non grata, nor either expel them. Nonetheless, if that is the diplomatic tone that the Trivian Empire desires, the C.D.S.P. will respond accordingly.

Is this necessary? The Trivian nation hasnít been trying to covertly influence your countryís policies for his own gain. Heís simply making a suggestion.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:Is this necessary? The Trivian nation hasnít been trying to covertly influence your countryís policies for his own gain. Heís simply making a suggestion.

Suggestions go into the rubbish bin labeled "Suggestions" off in the corner, along with "Unsolicited Advice," "Thoughts and Prayers," and "Cher's New Albums."

Neither the Trivian Empire, nor the Holy Empire receive missives directing them towards particular policies from the C.D.S.P., and we see nothing wrong with taking measures to ensure such missives don't clutter our diplomatic channels.

Please note that all C.D.S.P. embassies have No Spam stickers on their mailboxes.

From the Defence Minister of Swuvania,
Hello fellow people's, territories of Swuvania and her allies.
I come before you; bare, honest and truthful. I wish to address issues that you may not be aware of or choose to simply ignore. People may see this statement as unjust, too critical, or a power grab. But simply, it is my responsibility as Defense Minister to tell you of the issues facing our country. It is also my right to freedom of speech that I send this document with honest intent.
This statement will include reasons why I personally would like to advise the people's and government to demand a Presidential election with immediate effect.
President William Bell has repeatedly shown signs he cannot run the cogs of government or simply wishes to hold onto power through slowing our great nations politics to a standstill. Witnessing a moment when a majority vote or a new years election is requested, and reminders made to the President about this event has been made, nothing was done for it, or to my knowledge the vote was never carried out showing his inability to work government or perform as his office demands him to do so. A potential sign he is deliberately slowing the vote in fear he may be defeated in elections or receive a lower majority. This is major cause for concern and wish it to be everyone's knowledge. I also would like to mention another event; The President has stated there is no election system in place, which I'm sure you will wonder 'How was he elected democratically?' The answer is he should've had an election, but now the country pays the price and government is slowing down. Also, I witnessed a moment when he stated that there was no constitution in place or that there was no documents to it, raises concern as the day he took office, he should've had one ready or began working on it, now the people no nothing of there rights, amendments nor responsibility. This proves my point before about holding onto power. I approached him about the 25th Amendment, he had no knowledge of it showing his inability also. However when I tried invoking it, he refused and would no longer discuss it. It is to do with the disability of the President of his inability to do perform his job.

Separatist Peoples wrote:Suggestions go into the rubbish bin labeled "Suggestions" off in the corner, along with "Unsolicited Advice," "Thoughts and Prayers," and "Cher's New Albums."

Neither the Trivian Empire, nor the Holy Empire receive missives directing them towards particular policies from the C.D.S.P., and we see nothing wrong with taking measures to ensure such missives don't clutter our diplomatic channels.

Please note that all C.D.S.P. embassies have No Spam stickers on their mailboxes.

And you say you havenít been disrespectful.

You have gone past explaining your position to disrespect a long time ago. I already tried to end this discussion, yet you keep calling something that is incredibly important to many religions ďtrashĒ.

Suggestions arenít trash if they are for personal freedoms. And donít compare religion to murder or any other crimes, because there really isnít any comparison unless your one of those idiots that thinks all religious people are brainwashed nutjobs that want to kill all heretics.

Iím done replying to your disrespectful comments. Say whatever you want then pretend you won, I donít care. Just donít disrespect my religion, or the practitioners of the faith.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:And you say you havenít been disrespectful.

I've signaled several times that the C.D.S.P. is not seeking advice or counsel. Despite that, it is given. At some point, a more forceful response is necessary.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:You have gone past explaining your position to disrespect a long time ago. I already tried to end this discussion, yet you keep calling something that is incredibly important to many religions ďtrashĒ.

The only thing I called trash was the wave of diplomatic entreaties requesting a policy change. Since they serve to do nothing more than clutter C.D.S.P. diplomatic channels, and end up ignored and discarded, they meet the definition of trash. There's no need to take that personally.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:Suggestions arenít trash if they are for personal freedoms.

This is objectively untrue. Trash meaning, in this case, worthless, we can change the statement to "Suggestions aren't worthless if they are for personal freedoms."

Suggestions are worthwhile insofar as they are heeded, contemplate an end viewed as worthwhile by the recipient, and produce a beneficial end result. Here, I have clearly not heeded the offered suggestions, and its fairly clear that I don't see them as terribly worthwhile. The beneficial end result is, as is so often the case, disputed. Since your suggestion fails in it's most basic parts, it isn't worthwhile as a suggestion.

Let's look at an example of how suggestions in favor of personal freedoms aren't, by default, beneficial. One can make the suggestion that civilian ownership of military weaponry is beneficial, as it improves personal freedoms. However, very few people would agree that it is a worthwhile end to allow public ownership of anti-aircraft missile systems or explosive mines, as both present a far greater risk to society as a whole than the benefit derived, even though personal freedom is nominally increased.

Lets look at another. It would increase personal freedoms in the aggregate to ignore intellectual property protections for creative works. However, doing so would have an aggregate effect of discouraging creative development, as nobody could benefit from the fruits of their labors, despite the general public receiving a nominal increase in personal freedoms.

As we can see, a suggestion that benefits personal freedoms is not, by any default reasoning, beneficial.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:And donít compare religion to murder or any other crimes, because there really isnít any comparison unless your one of those idiots that thinks all religious people are brainwashed nutjobs that want to kill all heretics.

This argument fails in it's basic purpose to properly analyze syllogistic or deductive analysis. Comparing religion to murder in the context of permitting, say, personal freedom is accurate. Restricting religious freedom and restricting the use of violence both contemplate a restriction on the actions of the individual. That such a restriction may be accomplished in the pursuit of a positive normative goal is irrelevant: the analysis is still logically sound. What youíre doing is imputing an emotional condemnation of religion in the comparison. This is unfounded. While I harbor a great deal of personal animus against religion, it does not necessarily follow that any comparison with religion to a criminal act is born of personal animus.

Sancti Imperii Catholico wrote:Iím done replying to your disrespectful comments. Say whatever you want then pretend you won, I donít care. Just donít disrespect my religion, or the practitioners of the faith.

How are you going to enforce a conditional approval of my Ďpretend[ing] that [I] won,í if you arenít going to reply to my comments? Either you will reply, or you will not be able to prevent potential disrespect. That doesnít make sense as an ultimatum.

I call upon all nations to push for another election within Swuvania immediately. Endorse the Vice President! -Defence Minister of Swuvania. (PS4 ID is tomboy2011) He deserves to become the President.

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Separatist Peoples wrote:I've signaled several times that the C.D.S.P. is not seeking advice or counsel. Despite that, it is given. At some point, a more forceful response is necessary.

The only thing I called trash was the wave of diplomatic entreaties requesting a policy change. Since they serve to do nothing more than clutter C.D.S.P. diplomatic channels, and end up ignored and discarded, they meet the definition of trash. There's no need to take that personally.

This is objectively untrue. Trash meaning, in this case, worthless, we can change the statement to "Suggestions aren't worthless if they are for personal freedoms."

Suggestions are worthwhile insofar as they are heeded, contemplate an end viewed as worthwhile by the recipient, and produce a beneficial end result. Here, I have clearly not heeded the offered suggestions, and its fairly clear that I don't see them as terribly worthwhile. The beneficial end result is, as is so often the case, disputed. Since your suggestion fails in it's most basic parts, it isn't worthwhile as a suggestion.

Let's look at an example of how suggestions in favor of personal freedoms aren't, by default, beneficial. One can make the suggestion that civilian ownership of military weaponry is beneficial, as it improves personal freedoms. However, very few people would agree that it is a worthwhile end to allow public ownership of anti-aircraft missile systems or explosive mines, as both present a far greater risk to society as a whole than the benefit derived, even though personal freedom is nominally increased.

Lets look at another. It would increase personal freedoms in the aggregate to ignore intellectual property protections for creative works. However, doing so would have an aggregate effect of discouraging creative development, as nobody could benefit from the fruits of their labors, despite the general public receiving a nominal increase in personal freedoms.

As we can see, a suggestion that benefits personal freedoms is not, by any default reasoning, beneficial.

This argument fails in it's basic purpose to properly analyze syllogistic or deductive analysis. Comparing religion to murder in the context of permitting, say, personal freedom is accurate. Restricting religious freedom and restricting the use of violence both contemplate a restriction on the actions of the individual. That such a restriction may be accomplished in the pursuit of a positive normative goal is irrelevant: the analysis is still logically sound. What youíre doing is imputing an emotional condemnation of religion in the comparison. This is unfounded. While I harbor a great deal of personal animus against religion, it does not necessarily follow that any comparison with religion to a criminal act is born of personal animus.
How are you going to enforce a conditional approval of my Ďpretend[ing] that [I] won,í if you arenít going to reply to my comments? Either you will reply, or you will not be able to prevent potential disrespect. That doesnít make sense as an ultimatum.

Can we end this argument now. I understand both of you have different opinions

Blackstargate wrote:Can we end this argument now. I understand both of you have different opinions

If you aren't interested in having the argument, don't participate. Simple as that.

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