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Hippy Haven RMB

WA Delegate (non-executive): The Republic of NovaTora (elected )

Founder: The John Lennon Utopia of Forever Fields

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Most World Assembly Endorsements: 174th Most Nations: 203rd Most Rebellious Youth: 495th+19
Most Influential: 799th Nicest Citizens: 809th Most Cheerful Citizens: 852nd Most Compassionate Citizens: 880th Most Cultured: 892nd Best Weather: 993rd Most Beautiful Environments: 1,061st Largest Welfare Programs: 1,116th Most Inclusive: 1,183rd Nudest: 1,308th Highest Foreign Aid Spending: 1,394th Most Eco-Friendly Governments: 1,416th Smartest Citizens: 1,670th Most Advanced Public Education: 1,690th Longest Average Lifespans: 1,920th Most Extensive Public Healthcare: 1,959th Most Advanced Public Transport: 2,062nd Largest Publishing Industry: 2,135th Greatest Rich-Poor Divides: 2,180th
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Established: 2012. In honor of Hippiedom & Hard Line Commies. A socialist, cannabis friendly region. Free clinics. Solar power. Organic gardens with fruit & nut trees, cannabis, opium, mushrooms, eggplant, chick peas, onions, tomatoes, melons & zucchini.
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“Darling you got to let me know, should i stay or should i go”
~The Clash

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LinkI Am The Walrus
LinkComfortably numb
LinkSweetheart Like You
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Sister Region: Trav Khar

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Embassies: Hippiedom, Philosophy 115, the West Pacific, the Rejected Realms, Lazarus, Anarchy, Forest, Gay, Trav khar, Antifa, Hell, The Internationale, The MT Army, In The Flesh, One big Island, The Church of Eris, and 96 others.The Communist Beach, Marijuana Islands, The Hill, Futaba Aoi, Weed, France, Eastern Roman Empire, Communist International, United Federation of Planets, The Communist Party of NationStates, Suomi, Warzone Europe, Intelligentsia Islands, The Communist Region, Orias, The Hippiedom, The Heart, North Korea, WeedNation, Zombieland, Pepperland, United Socialist Republics, Du Maurier, The Atheist Empire, Eastern European, Australia, the democratic socialist union, Atlantis, Buddhism, The Rose Garden, Krillin, Devon, Future Earth, New Utopian World, The Bar on the corner of every region, A Liberal Haven, Bear Country, Avadam Inn, Red Army Headquarters, San Francisco, East of West, The Antichrist Trump, The West Republic, The Leftist Assembly, International Debating Area, Homelands, Zen Buddhism, The Red Guards, The Popptart Empire, South Pacific, Especia and Meridon, The Embassy, Regionless, Dauiland, The Bunny Fire, The Federation of Anarchist Communes, Antichrist Superstar, Pacific Isles, The Keweenaw, Underworld, New York, SECFanatics, Strawberry Fields Forever, Where the Wild Things Are, The Coffee House, Democratic States Alliance, The Bear Country, The Iceberg Lounge, The Church of Flying Spaghetti Monster, 1966, Crestline, Mar A Lago Club, IDA Parliament, The Nerd Union, C A R N I V A L, Democratic Socialist Alliance, The Great Universe, Worldly Debate Region, The Bates Motel, Great Sea, Los Angeles, The Southeast Asian Peninsulas, Argentina Community, Gypsy Lands, Purple Haze, Witch Coven, Ebenezer, NationStates International Airport, Canterbury, Simitu Coalition, Pagan Rose, Communist Alliance, Capricornarius, Meadow, Modern Greece, and Hippie Paradise.

Construction of embassies with Puppet Land has commenced. Completion expected .

Tags: Liberal, Map, Feminist, Eco-Friendly, Anti-Fascist, Social, Pacifist, World Assembly, Socialist, Communist, Egalitarian, and Large.

Regional Power: High

Hippy Haven contains 72 nations, the 203rd most in the world.

Today's World Census Report

The Best Weather in Hippy Haven

The following nations were determined to have the best all-round weather.

As a region, Hippy Haven is ranked 993rd in the world for Best Weather.

NationWA CategoryMotto
1.The Community of St Stephen n CrittersLeft-wing Utopia“Gramen artificiosum ne fumisses”
2.The Republic of Jaya KartaCivil Rights Lovefest“Victorious and Great”
3.The Empire of TiguanaDemocratic Socialists“The Sun Never Sets on the Tiguanian Empire!”
4.The Republic of A-topiaDemocratic Socialists“Patience is a virtue”
5.The Casual State of MakilandDemocratic Socialists“Deye mon gen mon”
6.The Free Land of RihookaLiberal Democratic Socialists“You Cannot Escape Your Escape”
7.The Pheromone Hierarchy of AbyrvalgLiberal Democratic Socialists“Make love all together!”
8.The Kleptocracy of Old FerguastanInoffensive Centrist Democracy“Integrity has it's price”
9.The Hotboxing Logicians of Panther Creek Nature PreserveNew York Times Democracy“Evil is that which believes its knowledge is complete.”
10.The Stilt Walkers of StilttopiaCivil Rights Lovefest“We are the ONLY nation where all stilt walk!”
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Purplecrown will be the new name of Wintilois held in the December 11th referendum. 83% voted FOR the new name saying "Wintilois was named for the person who founded this country. However, he was a traitor and is outdated. Let a new name pass." Marley Bleak was in charge for the YES campaign.

Tiguana

Wintilois will stay the official name but the flag will be replaced with a purple crown.

Tiguana

Keep waking up with deep thoughts in my head. This morning's one was about pacifism.

It's easy to be a pacifist when you have your rights: right to vote, right to assemble, right to protest, right to a trial.

Pacifism becomes a virtue when that's taken away. However, it doesn't become a virtue to become passive. When that stuff's taken away, you have to keep on assembling, talking and protesting despite the risk of arrest.

That's me looking at it from a distance, though. In practice, I can't know that I wouldn't fight and I can't promise I wouldn't cower because I've not been in that situation. I just like to think I'd be brave enough to speak out and risk arrest but not hurt anyone. I wouldn't know for sure unless I was in that circumstance, nobody who hasn't been in it does.

Tiguana

Unconquered Frontier wrote:Keep waking up with deep thoughts in my head. This morning's one was about pacifism.

It's easy to be a pacifist when you have your rights: right to vote, right to assemble, right to protest, right to a trial.

Pacifism becomes a virtue when that's taken away. However, it doesn't become a virtue to become passive. When that stuff's taken away, you have to keep on assembling, talking and protesting despite the risk of arrest.

As far as I know, pacifism isn't about doing nothing, but it's about believing that violence and war are unjustifiable. Assembly is acceptable, talking is acceptable, protests are acceptable as long as you're not starting a fight and not calling others to go to war and/or other military action for your cause. You're right, we have to do something when our rights are taken away, but under pacifism, it's not right to do something violent.

Most of the time pacifism is associated with peaceful protest movements and civil disobedience. Activists--or rather, pacifists--see the error in the ways of their government, so they hold peaceful protests against or refusing to cooperate with the government (such as not paying taxes, refusing conscription, etc) despite the risk of arrest. Arguably the most successful of this nonviolent movements is the one started by Gandhi (in 1917 I think?) in India, where his satyagraha movements brought the country to independence. I don't know much about American history, but maybe Martin Luther King Jr's movements count as nonviolent protests too.

NovaTora, A-topia, and Tiguana

Unconquered Frontier wrote:Keep waking up with deep thoughts in my head. This morning's one was about pacifism.

It's easy to be a pacifist when you have your rights: right to vote, right to assemble, right to protest, right to a trial.

Pacifism becomes a virtue when that's taken away. However, it doesn't become a virtue to become passive. When that stuff's taken away, you have to keep on assembling, talking and protesting despite the risk of arrest.

That's me looking at it from a distance, though. In practice, I can't know that I wouldn't fight and I can't promise I wouldn't cower because I've not been in that situation. I just like to think I'd be brave enough to speak out and risk arrest but not hurt anyone. I wouldn't know for sure unless I was in that circumstance, nobody who hasn't been in it does.

Pacifism is tricky. It runs the risk of succumbing to the very type of the world it seeks to avoid. In the end, "though who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't," as someone said (maybe Jefferson, but it seems inconclusive). Pacifism is one of those things that works when everyone wants it to work, and even then, it can be difficult, as circumstances force people and groups into making hard choice that amount to either bumping someone "off the island" or being themselves bumped by forces beyond their control. As the New Zealand singer Lorde said in a song from when I was younger, "everything's cool when we're all in line for the throne, but I know it's not forever." When there is enough "stuff" (i.e. resources, time, money, attention, opportunity, space, freedom, etc) to go around, it's easy for everyone to cut their losses and all decide that peace is better than what might result from struggle or conflict. When resources are in short supply, it is natural for there to be a struggle for each unit (the individual, the group, the clique, etc) to position themselves to be on top or to at least not be overwhelmed by some other force.

That's essentially why I think the best avenue to the largest amount of peace is by equitable distribution of resources, at least insofar as people need them to survive, and to also have a clear power structure that is constructed in such a way that every group benefits by working within the structure, but in which no group benefits from breaking or trying to work outside of the structure. It's not going to be some la-la-land of happiness and sunshine, but it's better than attempts to blow up the system and just "hope" that conflict won't ensue in the power vacuum that results.

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I've been watching those Roman Empire documentaries again, haha!! Vive Imperium Romanum! :-)

Tiguana

I've implemented actual modern laws like a minimum wage(whoa, crazy right?) and environmental regulations and Mcclown's economy has tanked , bummer :/

Tiguana

Jaya Karta wrote:As far as I know, pacifism isn't about doing nothing, but it's about believing that violence and war are unjustifiable. Assembly is acceptable, talking is acceptable, protests are acceptable as long as you're not starting a fight and not calling others to go to war and/or other military action for your cause. You're right, we have to do something when our rights are taken away, but under pacifism, it's not right to do something violent.

Most of the time pacifism is associated with peaceful protest movements and civil disobedience. Activists--or rather, pacifists--see the error in the ways of their government, so they hold peaceful protests against or refusing to cooperate with the government (such as not paying taxes, refusing conscription, etc) despite the risk of arrest. Arguably the most successful of this nonviolent movements is the one started by Gandhi (in 1917 I think?) in India, where his satyagraha movements brought the country to independence. I don't know much about American history, but maybe Martin Luther King Jr's movements count as nonviolent protests too.

I believe a nation can be both safe and pacifist , cause good national security and law enforcement are not militant thing , look at Switzerland for example.

A-topia, Tiguana, and Unconquered Frontier

McClown wrote:I've implemented actual modern laws like a minimum wage(whoa, crazy right?) and environmental regulations and Mcclown's economy has tanked , bummer :/

Your economy is better than 1/3 of the countries of our region.

Tiguana

Abyrvalg wrote:Your economy is better than 1/3 of the countries of our region.

A drop in my economy is worth a min. Wage and protecting the environment, and at least it's rated as good

NovaTora

McClown wrote:I believe a nation can be both safe and pacifist , cause good national security and law enforcement are not militant thing , look at Switzerland for example.

I think defence should be literally defence. If your country's been invaded or at risk of being invaded is one thing. Fighting offensively, either for invading countries or to have a fight over resources (eg for oil) is another.

But then I don't think Ireland was right not to fight in World War 2 (I mean they would have been had there been no Holocaust so hindsight is 20/20 I guess) so I'm not sure.

And the resistance should limit itself to fighting the actual representatives of the invasion such as soldiers and police and not bomb civilians. All that does is paint your cause in a bad light.

But I'm not sure to what extent this needs to be done militarily and to what extent it can be done through peaceful protest. Again, Ghandi. I don't know enough about India but was that a case of a country managing to get out of the British empire while limiting bloodshed?

Tiguana, Panther Creek Nature Preserve, and McClown

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