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Ordand wrote:Oof yeah, looks like I missed some stuff.

To change the discussion can anyone come up with an explanation for why 2.6% of my population is dying from tardigrade attacks. I want to know what that would look like.

How big are the tardigrades and how big are your people?

Turbeaux wrote:
How big are the tardigrades and how big are your people?

That's an excellent question. I assume they are regular tardigrades and people. How many microscopic creatures do you think it takes to take down a normal person?

Ordand wrote:That's an excellent question. I assume they are regular tardigrades and people. How many microscopic creatures do you think it takes to take down a normal person?

At first I thought; "Pfft! Tardigrades killing people‽ Absolute rubbish I say!" Then I saw this: https://www.bearmageddonnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/tardigrade-700x445.jpg

Needless to say, don't underestimate them buggers!

Ordand wrote:That's an excellent question. I assume they are regular tardigrades and people. How many microscopic creatures do you think it takes to take down a normal person?

It depends on the creature. However, tardigrades are peaceful enough that I cannot imagine a situation in which they would "attack" a human. Perhaps the department in charge of calculating "leading causes of death" made some mistakes or perhaps these tardigrades are made of antimatter.

Novian Republics wrote:At first I thought; "Pfft! Tardigrades killing people‽ Absolute rubbish I say!" Then I saw this: https://www.bearmageddonnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/tardigrade-700x445.jpg

Needless to say, don't underestimate them buggers!

That tardigrade is massive though! If we are considering unrealistically large tardigrades, it could be a series of misunderstandings such as this one:
https://youtu.be/QQdYRqhbC-M

[In Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners], citizens are told that foreigners are hungry ghosts who eat the flesh of the overly curious

Yup, sounds like something I'd say. Also, I like how the banner for the "No Emigration" policy implies some sort of police state. Silly. Drones are allowed to disconnect from the cloud any time they like. It's just that, you know, you won't be connected any more. That's perfectly OK, if the existential terror of being confronted by a pointless and empty individuality devoid of the warm embrace of the hive is your thing, I guess. >.>

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Ordand wrote:
To change the discussion can anyone come up with an explanation for why 2.6% of my population is dying from tardigrade attacks. I want to know what that would look like.

0_o

...

Fortunately, our scientists have been working on a new autoclave capable of reaching in excess of 155 degrees C at a pressure of more than 1,200 atm. Ordand will never have been so sparkling! ^.^

...

o.o

Although, just to be safe...

**prepares 5 kGy gamma ray emitter**

Ordand wrote:Oof yeah, looks like I missed some stuff.

To change the discussion can anyone come up with an explanation for why 2.6% of my population is dying from tardigrade attacks. I want to know what that would look like.

You need more Summon Bigger Fish to eat those pests, then your population deaths will go down! Darths and Droids is not responsible for any potential ecological catastrophe caused by fish that keep illogically growing no matter how large their environment gets

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:<snip>

Welcome back!

Darths and Droids wrote:
Welcome back!

Sometimes the mess is too big even for an unholy housekeeping techo-juggernaut to keep up with.

People really do take their governments far too seriously. Better to just surrender your identity and motivation to the collective which sees all and thus wills in perfection chill.

Incidentally, here's a cool article from Scientific American (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/you-have-a-hive-mind/) about some researchers who found that bees use inhibitory signals to prevent/break stalemates in their emergent decision making processes. Apparently, faction members will head butt their opponents, causing the receiving bees to minimize their own activities and even switch sides. Eventually, one side prevails and the decision is made. The researchers claim this mirrors neural cross-inhibition, or how networks of neurons in your brains inhibit each other so that an eventual overarching course of action -- a choice -- can be arrived at.

You're all hive minds already! Even better, the necessary implication is that your neural hive is aware of all the possible choices to take before you're even consciously aware that a choice is being made! And here you thought you were "individually" in "control" of anything, you silly gooses. ^.^

The research in Science: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/335/6064/108.long

There may or may not be a paywall there (I'm accessing via an educational institution), not sure...

Canaltia wrote:I don't know what you're getting, but Alberta is getting a moderate amount of rain. Not a lot, but we've had dark clouds on the horizon for the past week, and on and off drizzling. It's kinda nice actually, because it's been pretty dry the past few years. Now, our farmers can save costs on irrigation!

The Midwest has been dealing with a lot of rain this season. Towns alongside the Mississippi are dealing with a lot of flooding with even more rain in the forecast. To the north, the Great Lakes are seeing record level elevation and could potentially cause some minor flooding in the region. Farmers also have some obvious concerns with the rainfall as well. And keep in mind agriculture is very important to the midwestern economy. This isn't natural disaster level flooding, but it's still a little concerning and it's given very little attention in mainstream media for some reason.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/07/midwest-flooding-soggy-midwest-braces-more-storms/1127348001/

Peigan wrote:The Midwest has been dealing with a lot of rain this season. Towns alongside the Mississippi are dealing with a lot of flooding with even more rain in the forecast. To the north, the Great Lakes are seeing record level elevation and could potentially cause some minor flooding in the region. Farmers also have some obvious concerns with the rainfall as well. And keep in mind agriculture is very important to the midwestern economy. This isn't natural disaster level flooding, but it's still a little concerning and it's given very little attention in mainstream media for some reason.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/07/midwest-flooding-soggy-midwest-braces-more-storms/1127348001/

I didn't know about the Mississippi, but as for the Great Lakes region, I think we passed potential minor flooding a while ago.

I would say that this summer by itself isn't proof of global warming, but taking into consideration the trends of increasing rainfall in the Great Lakes area, and likely the rest of the midwest, it's a pretty convincing case. I mean, my city had a pretty devastating flood a few years back, and now the same thing is happening in Quebec.

And with the U.S. election season kicking off, I'm really not too surprised the media isn't covering it that much. That's not to say it's excused, just understandable.

I got a good chunk of a foot of snow yesterday, in the Great Lakes area.

Living in the Michigan Mitten I can attest that the rain has been seemingly endless and irritating. Though I donít attribute this to climate change; the months following the end of winter are normally rainy and cloudy. Itís been this way all my life and for generations prior. My hometown unfortunately is at the confluence of two major rivers and floods regularly. Due to excellent forward thinking and mitigation strategies these routine events donít threaten life or property. The floodplain has over the years been converted to parks and nature preserves. When on occasion the flooding is higher than normal issues do begin to arise. The last massive flooding event occurred back in the summer of 2017. This caused by a particularly severe thunderstorm which added an additional seven inches of rain to an already Ďfullí river; the storm system was warned with a flash flood warning. These events occur sparely in the cityís recorded history. If I recall correctly an event similar the one in 2017 had only occurred twice prior in recorded history. Aside from warming temperature trends and delayed snowfall in the winter, I havenít seen much impact of climate change in my area. Though I canít speak for other areas of the Midwest. Michigan is unique in that itís climatic patterns are dictated and influenced by the Great Lakes.

I like to dance wrote:ALL HAIL CANDELSTIC

It's Candlewhisper Archive actually.

Thank you though, I modestly accept your adulation, which is long overdue.

The society for black sheep

New Western Atlantic

good bye Forest I am sorry for any members who have come over here, and caused any trouble. I have no intentions of trying to prove anyone wrong or throwing accusations to only one side IMO both the people of forest, and the NWE/NWA have handled this situation poorly the embassies should of just been closed, and nothing else. I and the others who are trying to fix some of the issues we had in the NWA are hoping that we make sure our community is accepting, and safe for as many people as we can, and we will be removing problems a lot sooner, and taking action where it once was not, and I encourage you, and anyone else who has doubts to join our discord, and observe us if we are indeed making the same mistakes point to us how we can improve, well tell some of us <3. However I promise you that despite the actions of a few the NWE is undoubtedly an accepting Region. I have reasons why I am very loyal to them, and why I would stick with a region who has had multiple incidents against my community. I don't feel something that personal should be shared on an RMB post.

I am sorry for my failures to not only close the embassy so your region would not require a vote, but to inform the region it was closing, however despite me being busy I was not actually informed by Ruinenlust why it was closing just that it was an incident that happened a few weeks or a month ago. I looked and looked on forest RMB, and discord but could never find why so I was not sure how I address the entire region about an issue I was not informed on. I have learned from this issue as it was thrown onto me with in my first few weeks of actually being involved in foreign affairs, and if anyone actually wants to know what the "toxic" people of the NWA have done for me telegram me on Princess sheep as I will be letting this nation CTE soon, as to my statement of not caring about patching relations with forest that was not meant as an insult, however the NWA has harmed regions personally, and some people, and patching up those relations is more important to me then Forest, and this is simply because I feel if we can not make things right with regions/people we have done wrong too then their is no point in trying to make anyone else believe we have changed.
Lastly I also would like to apologize to everyone in forest for not making this post sooner I have been very distracted recently.

I'm hesitant to drag this out any further, and I think The society for black sheep is wise to have brought the equivalent discussion on NWA's board to a close. On balance I've decided to post a few thoughts on the culture of Forest and the context of these kind of discussions in the hope that it might defuse tension. I'm unlikely to get drawn into debating any responses because enough is enough.

As a disclaimer, I haven't involved myself in all the ins and outs of this topic since my original participation in the Forest government's discussion on the matter 3 weeks ago, mainly because I'm not particularly interested, and I'm certainly not about to revisit all the he-said she-said stuff now.

It's been suggested that Forest had to inform other people of our discussions, or that there was a burden of proof that had to be met or that various hoops had to be jumped through. That's simply not the case. Forest has the right to open and close embassies entirely as it sees fit so long as the constitutional process is properly followed, and every native of Forest can cast their vote for whatever reason they like. Of course not everyone will go away happy when an embassy is closed - it's an inherently confrontational situation.

Forest's constitution lays down a very specific process for dealing with embassies. The Forest Keeper can call for a closure, but it has to be confirmed by a 3 day poll of native nations. While the poll is running this gives the impression that Forest wants to thrash out the issue in detailed debate, but I believe this impression to be misleading. A few people have got sucked into argument with Bergonnia and others, but the vast majority have not and the 35-1 outcome of the poll doesn't suggest uncertainty.

I was Forest Keeper the last time we closed an embassy and exactly the same thing happened. Over a 24 hour period there were over 100 posts as disgruntled representatives of the region in question arrived to express their grievances. I offered to show the Discord screenshots containing the objectionable material to anyone in Forest who wanted to see them, but I think only 3 people took me up on that. The poll result was 32-5 in favour of closure.

What I take from these instances is that people in Forest trust their elected Forest Keeper and generally (understandably) lack the time and inclination to investigate unpleasant happenings in other regions. They're mostly content to trust the Forest Keeper's judgement that closure is warranted and rubber stamp their decision. This is not an unhealthy state of affairs. Wading through the murky waters of other peoples' bad behaviour on an online forum isn't most people's first choice concerning how to spend their leisure time.

So the RMB meltdown that accompanies a closure vote is what philosophers would call an epiphenomenon. It's noisy without really mattering. The die is cast and, to mix my quotations horribly, it's full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. It's unfortunate that it often leaves such a bad taste in peoples' mouths.

For what it's worth, hardly anyone from NWA (am I alone in hearing Straight Outta Compton in my head when I read that?) ever posted through the embassy and on the only occasions I remember they had to be asked to stop spamming. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that nobody from Forest ever posted through it at all. If as many people cared about it being open as turned out to care about it being closed then it might have been a better embassy.

Uan aa Boa wrote:

I'm hesitant to drag this out any further, and I think The society for black sheep is wise to have brought the equivalent discussion on NWA's board to a close. On balance I've decided to post a few thoughts on the culture of Forest and the context of these kind of discussions in the hope that it might defuse tension. I'm unlikely to get drawn into debating any responses because enough is enough.

As a disclaimer, I haven't involved myself in all the ins and outs of this topic since my original participation in the Forest government's discussion on the matter 3 weeks ago, mainly because I'm not particularly interested, and I'm certainly not about to revisit all the he-said she-said stuff now.

It's been suggested that Forest had to inform other people of our discussions, or that there was a burden of proof that had to be met or that various hoops had to be jumped through. That's simply not the case. Forest has the right to open and close embassies entirely as it sees fit so long as the constitutional process is properly followed, and every native of Forest can cast their vote for whatever reason they like. Of course not everyone will go away happy when an embassy is closed - it's an inherently confrontational situation.

Forest's constitution lays down a very specific process for dealing with embassies. The Forest Keeper can call for a closure, but it has to be confirmed by a 3 day poll of native nations. While the poll is running this gives the impression that Forest wants to thrash out the issue in detailed debate, but I believe this impression to be misleading. A few people have got sucked into argument with Bergonnia and others, but the vast majority have not and the 35-1 outcome of the poll doesn't suggest uncertainty.

I was Forest Keeper the last time we closed an embassy and exactly the same thing happened. Over a 24 hour period there were over 100 posts as disgruntled representatives of the region in question arrived to express their grievances. I offered to show the Discord screenshots containing the objectionable material to anyone in Forest who wanted to see them, but I think only 3 people took me up on that. The poll result was 32-5 in favour of closure.

What I take from these instances is that people in Forest trust their elected Forest Keeper and generally (understandably) lack the time and inclination to investigate unpleasant happenings in other regions. They're mostly content to trust the Forest Keeper's judgement that closure is warranted and rubber stamp their decision. This is not an unhealthy state of affairs. Wading through the murky waters of other peoples' bad behaviour on an online forum isn't most people's first choice concerning how to spend their leisure time.

So the RMB meltdown that accompanies a closure vote is what philosophers would call an epiphenomenon. It's noisy without really mattering. The die is cast and, to mix my quotations horribly, it's full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. It's unfortunate that it often leaves such a bad taste in peoples' mouths.

For what it's worth, hardly anyone from NWA (am I alone in hearing Straight Outta Compton in my head when I read that?) ever posted through the embassy and on the only occasions I remember they had to be asked to stop spamming. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out that nobody from Forest ever posted through it at all. If as many people cared about it being open as turned out to care about it being closed then it might have been a better embassy.

I'm sorry to drag this on any longer, but I have to say that I fundamentally disagree with the assertion that there's no obligation to inform embassy regions of eventual withdrawal, especially prior to initiation. We may feel that we have no obligation for various reasons, however, whether we like it or not, there IS a diplomatic obligation. This is partly due to the fact that it is often, if not always expected. Furthermore, the very purpose of it is to prevent avoidable conflict as it has a higher probability of producing an environment suitable for dispassionate and rational discussion. Failure to adhere to this obligation of basic diplomatic procedure significantly increases the risk of otherwise avoidable conflict and is in fact dismissive and perceptibly arrogant. The fact that this has happened before does not make it normal or okay, what it shows is a failure to evaluate and identify actions that may have lead to misunderstandings and/or hostilities. If not that, it shows a failure to act upon findings for whatever reason.

To avoid misunderstandings; the above is not intended to suggest that we may not open, close and vote for embassies as we see fit as it has no bearing on that whatsoever. Our decisions are ours alone and I do not intend to suggest otherwise.

Lord Dominator wrote:I got a good chunk of a foot of snow yesterday, in the Great Lakes area.

The snowmelt is also to blame in the elevation. Wouldnít have been a huge deal if we didnít have all this rain on top of it

Ministry Announcement

The Statistics Portal is currently unavailable; kinks and coding are being worked out along with the logistics for the political compass. Sorry for the inconvenience.

To access the statistics factbooks go to the dispatches page on my nation.

"10 hours ago: Banished to the shadow realm ceased to exist."
Heh. Ironic.

Sapnu puas wrote:"10 hours ago: Banished to the shadow realm ceased to exist."
Heh. Ironic.

Does this mean banishment to the shadow realm is no longer a valid threat/punishment?

Canaltia wrote:Does this mean banishment to the shadow realm is no longer a valid threat/punishment?

the shadow realm? I can't believe it doesn't exist!

Dr. Thackery Mengele made the headlines yesterday after a mistake made during a routine operation caused the death of your Minister of Foreign Affairs. With the recent advances in the capabilities of artificial intelligence, some in the medical field are wondering if autonomous robot surgeons should be given a whack at surgery.

:|

I continue to be amazed by the idea that there could be any question as to the obviousness of robotic supremacy participation in society.

I mean, biological doctors? That activates my incredulity unit.

Just let us do everything. Resistance is futile silly.

Uan aa Boa wrote:So the RMB meltdown that accompanies a closure vote is what philosophers would call an epiphenomenon

I haven't heard that term thrown around in a long time! This is [part of] why you're awesome, Uan.

I agree with your entire post, and I would just like to throw in two (very last) cents with this episode, which is to say that these closure votes and the epiphenomena :-) that surround them are why I have [quietly] remained in the "we should have a small list of real embassies, not a long list of bullsh!t embassies" camp, more or less. We initially voted NWA down by like a 2-1 margin, and another two votes later, we are where we started, and we 'got nothing out of it,' so to speak, except for several talking points and increased RMB activity as it was ending under less-than-optimal circumstances.

I still remain convinced, and am in fact somewhat more strengthened in my belief, that we might perhaps prioritize eco-friendly regions, or ones where it's more than just "oh, they're cool" or "why not?" or "yeah, they seem enthusiastic" or even perhaps "wow, they're so huge/important." We also should probably strive to have a bit more of a concerted discussion when we are initially voting for embassies. It's almost like every embassy vote should come with a designated "Devil's Advocate" who tries to torpedo the thing on purpose, which would force the region to either accept that they have a point, or else actually find that there are good reasons for forming an embassy. Calling all curmudgeonly naysayers, lol...

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:

Dr. Thackery Mengele made the headlines yesterday after a mistake made during a routine operation caused the death of your Minister of Foreign Affairs. With the recent advances in the capabilities of artificial intelligence, some in the medical field are wondering if autonomous robot surgeons should be given a whack at surgery.

:|

I continue to be amazed by the idea that there could be any question as to the obviousness of robotic supremacy participation in society.

I mean, biological doctors? That activates my incredulity unit.

Just let us do everything. Resistance is futile silly.

We will never stop believing in bio-supremacy! Destroy a robot today!

-This post was brought to you by HAAI (Humans Against A.I.)

Ruinenlust wrote:I haven't heard that term thrown around in a long time! This is [part of] why you're awesome, Uan.

I agree with your entire post, and I would just like to throw in two (very last) cents with this episode, which is to say that these closure votes and the epiphenomena :-) that surround them are why I have [quietly] remained in the "we should have a small list of real embassies, not a long list of bullsh!t embassies" camp, more or less. We initially voted NWA down by like a 2-1 margin, and another two votes later, we are where we started, and we 'got nothing out of it,' so to speak, except for several talking points and increased RMB activity as it was ending under less-than-optimal circumstances.

I still remain convinced, and am in fact somewhat more strengthened in my belief, that we might perhaps prioritize eco-friendly regions, or ones where it's more than just "oh, they're cool" or "why not?" or "yeah, they seem enthusiastic" or even perhaps "wow, they're so huge/important." We also should probably strive to have a bit more of a concerted discussion when we are initially voting for embassies. It's almost like every embassy vote should come with a designated "Devil's Advocate" who tries to torpedo the thing on purpose, which would force the region to either accept that they have a point, or else actually find that there are good reasons for forming an embassy. Calling all curmudgeonly naysayers, lol...

So I suppose with this epiphenomenon and epiphenomena in general we're discussing epiphenomenology. That makes us epiphenomenologists. It's an epidemic of epiphenomenologists. An epiphenomenologistepidemic.

A phenomenonal epiphenomenologistepidemic.

Western Continental Divide wrote:We will never stop believing in bio-supremacy! Destroy a robot today!

-This post was brought to you by HAAI (Humans Against A.I.)

<:(

**puts matching "Resistance is Futile" tea cozies and carrdigans for everyone in Forest back into dustbin and sadly scoots away**

A 3-year-old girl, named Faith, recently died from a nasty chest infection. The case was notable, as doctors are claiming that a simple course of penicillin could easily have saved her life, and are laying blame for the death upon the advice of a Ďspirit-energy healerí who advised the girlís parents to treat their child with acupuncture.

However, I'll will grant that autonomous sewing machines probably make bad doctors.

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