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Kaitani wrote:PFFT You doubt MY strategy?? I fended of TWO regional powers with little help for MONTHS from strategy!
Manticore doesn't need to change much in the long run

All that really matters is that a war drains Arengin and benefits Aydinir. This can happen without Arengin being nearly entirely occupied by Aydinir.
Also my point about the New World stands, because of you being divided for much of history, such a shame for such a nationalistic culture, we HAVE had larger and more powerful empires than Old Aydinir, I'm sure the Second Carinian Empire would definitely be greater in power than it, seeing how much wealth it controls.

Seeing canonicalaly you lost your position as regional superpower by the end of the Twentieth Century, you are not rising at all

Immobilia has been a superpower longer and more consistently than any nation in our region, not losing it after the Great Regional War, and continuing to extend its influence today, and seeing war is an economic stimulant, and the goals of defending Carinia and stopping the growth of the Imperial Powers, they have benefitted greatly as well, it is not just you two, dear friend.

I wouldn’t exactly call it fending off. Invading your island is difficult because the supply lines must stay up and these supply lines are long and easy to disrupt. Also your terrain on some islands stalled us. The only reason you defeated us is because Bearstin was thrown into chaos and without Bearstin involved, Afrikaanza forces had to divert forces to Bearstinian controlled territories and this weakened the Afrikaanzan occupation. Also, Aydinir is most definitely a superpower in the post-GRW, there’s no argument imo

Ruskland-preuben

Ruskland Improv in the Absence of Supply Lines 101: Sanitize dead bodies and cook or burn heretics at stake and consume steamed person.

Yeah, we eat humans, BUT WE COOK THEM OK? You may consider us uncivilized, but we aren't that uncivilized.

Ruskland-preuben wrote:Ruskland Improv in the Absence of Supply Lines 101: Sanitize dead bodies and cook or burn heretics at stake and consume steamed person.

Yeah, we eat humans, BUT WE COOK THEM OK? You may consider us uncivilized, but we aren't that uncivilized.

Damn, you have to cook them really well in order to eat them safely to avoid prion disease.

Ruskland-preuben

Ruskland-preuben

Rannoria wrote:Damn, you have to cook them really well in order to eat them safely to avoid prion disease.

Yeah that's right.
y e a h n i c e a n d h o t

Rannoria

Ruskland-preuben wrote:Yeah that's right.
y e a h n i c e a n d h o t

Remind me to never take anything of Rusklandr cuisine

Rannoria

I'm back! Please give me some time to read up on what has been posted.
Also: Welcome Back, Aclus. It is always nice, when old faces resurface.

Arganuta, Bearstin, Kaitani, Aclus, and 3 othersRannoria, Shahinay, and Ruskland-preuben

Ruskland-preuben wrote:Yeah that's right.
y e a h n i c e a n d h o t

hot and, spicy meat

Ruskland-preuben

Shahinay wrote:But the fact of Arengin being almost entirely occupied has been already woven into our mutual lore. First of all, it suits perfectly for our long standing rivalry. Times right before the reestablishment of The Empire were times of Arenginian domination over Aydinirian Kingoms, which were too weak and too buisy constantly fighting between themselves, to resist. Arenginians were acting like it was their land, playing Kingdoms against each other for Arenginian benefit. It only strenghtened Aydinirian resentment, as it was seen as a national shame. So when a chance for revenge arrived, revenge was brutal. Imagine something like Japaneese occupation of Korea. And Arenginians never forget this occupation, strengthening their resentment

Second thing, we already made new RP (Arenginian coup and civil war in Bearstin) on that idea. Aydinirian occupation of Arengin plays a big role in character of Acabar, who takes controll over Arengin.
So no, I'm against another retcon of our lore. It would change too much in Aydinirian-Arenginian dynamics.
But maybe Arengin Union should have something to say about that, it is his lore as well after all
You know that many things I say are imperial propaganda, right? XD Of cource Acharan colonial empires would be bigger. Old Aydinir was basicly our Roman/Persian Empire, and compering Rome to the British or Spanish... those are two entirely different tales
Wait, when did we agreed on that? As far as I'm aware there were no post 20th century RP so where this canon comes from?
But alright, at the end of 20th century Aydinir could have another period of isolation and reduction of political involvement, caused by internal problems. I would effectively stop to be a regional superpower, but would remain a strong nation. And that's why I want to do as much as possible when I have a power to do that.

RACE TO THE MOON

It's been regionally canon since its formation that in the modern day the sole superpowers are Afrikaanza and Immobilia, but it is also canon that you became a superpower following the grw, there is no argument there lol
But you still are a powerful nation.
But the point of this is that Im starting meaningless regional beef based on the premise of me talking down on the big talk of a mainland nation because of the historic ideal of Carinian self-superiority lol

Bearstin wrote:I wouldn’t exactly call it fending off. Invading your island is difficult because the supply lines must stay up and these supply lines are long and easy to disrupt. Also your terrain on some islands stalled us. The only reason you defeated us is because Bearstin was thrown into chaos and without Bearstin involved, Afrikaanza forces had to divert forces to Bearstinian controlled territories and this weakened the Afrikaanzan occupation. Also, Aydinir is most definitely a superpower in the post-GRW, there’s no argument imo

In all honesty you even being able to land on my shores is pretty dang unrealistic if we look at how history has gone, but it happened because I didn't really have much help other than Immobilia giving me free stuff.
And who exactly threw Bearstin into chaos? Oh right! Carinian mercenaries!

Shahinay wrote:Remind me to never take anything of Rusklandr cuisine

this is why you go for superior Rannorian islander food talkin' bout spices babyyyyy

KNACK 2 THA FUTURE

Rannoria

clearly traansval has exceeded the normal human mental capacity and has ascended to none other than, you guessed it, the greatest Jedi Master Darth Chungus. proof is here fellas https://www.furaffinity.net/gallery/reinhardtandotherreinhardt/

Kaitani wrote:It's been regionally canon since its formation that in the modern day the sole superpowers are Afrikaanza and Immobilia, but it is also canon that you became a superpower following the grw, there is no argument there lol
But you still are a powerful nation.
But the point of this is that Im starting meaningless regional beef based on the premise of me talking down on the big talk of a mainland nation because of the historic ideal of Carinian self-superiority lol

Ideal of self-superiority? Hmmm, maybe we are not so different after all
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Of course except you being islander barbarian and me being the Firstborn of the Holy Ayńadan Blood, first child of the Gods!

Bearstin wrote:I wouldn’t exactly call it fending off. Invading your island is difficult because the supply lines must stay up and these supply lines are long and easy to disrupt. Also your terrain on some islands stalled us. The only reason you defeated us is because Bearstin was thrown into chaos and without Bearstin involved, Afrikaanza forces had to divert forces to Bearstinian controlled territories and this weakened the Afrikaanzan occupation. Also, Aydinir is most definitely a superpower in the post-GRW, there’s no argument imo

Ah, Beros once again honorable in their alliance!
Fean, ava feanelon!
Aydinirian term of respect, meaning roughly:
"Glory, may you always be victorious!"

Shahinay wrote:Ideal of self-superiority? Hmmm, maybe we are not so different after all
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Of course except you being islander barbarian and me being the Firstborn of the Holy Ayńadan Blood, first child of the Gods!
Ah, Beros once again honorable in their alliance!
Fean, ava feanelon!
Aydinirian term of respect, meaning roughly:
"Glory, may you always be victorious!"

Pff please how can you call someone with better intellect and cultural prowess a barbarian?

Arganuta

Kaitani wrote:Pff please how can you call someone with better intellect and cultural prowess a barbarian?

What good is intellect if you don't know what to use it for ?

There is only one nation that directly follows divine will and not the musings of insignificant humans.

Arganuta wrote:What good is intellect if you don't know what to use it for ?

There is only one nation that directly follows divine will and not the musings of insignificant humans.

Yes, quite right. Immobilia is after all the only nation to have had it's constitution written by the Champion and Son of a God. Even the current government rules by divine providence, granted to them by the First Immobilian King.

Arganuta

The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia wrote:Yes, quite right. Immobilia is after all the only nation to have had it's constitution written by the Champion and Son of a God. Even the current government rules by divine providence, granted to them by the First Immobilian King.

Any Faith that does not have elimination of life as it's endgoal is not a real religion and probably a conspiracy by democratic crypto-secularists.

Shahinay wrote:But the fact of Arengin being almost entirely occupied has been already woven into our mutual lore. First of all, it suits perfectly for our long standing rivalry. Times right before the reestablishment of The Empire were times of Arenginian domination over Aydinirian Kingoms, which were too weak and too buisy constantly fighting between themselves, to resist. Arenginians were acting like it was their land, playing Kingdoms against each other for Arenginian benefit. It only strenghtened Aydinirian resentment, as it was seen as a national shame. So when a chance for revenge arrived, revenge was brutal. Imagine something like Japaneese occupation of Korea. And Arenginians never forget this occupation, strengthening their resentment

Second thing, we already made new RP (Arenginian coup and civil war in Bearstin) on that idea. Aydinirian occupation of Arengin plays a big role in character of Acabar, who takes controll over Arengin.
So no, I'm against another retcon of our lore. It would change too much in Aydinirian-Arenginian dynamics.
But maybe Arengin Union should have something to say about that, it is his lore as well after all
You know that many things I say are imperial propaganda, right? XD Of cource Acharan colonial empires would be bigger. Old Aydinir was basicly our Roman/Persian Empire, and compering Rome to the British or Spanish... those are two entirely different tales
Wait, when did we agreed on that? As far as I'm aware there were no post 20th century RP so where this canon comes from?
But alright, at the end of 20th century Aydinir could have another period of isolation and reduction of political involvement, caused by internal problems. I would effectively stop to be a regional superpower, but would remain a strong nation. And that's why I want to do as much as possible when I have a power to do that.

RACE TO THE MOON

Correction. Arengin was never fully occupied. It was only the north, the government and army remnants moved to the South and with the help of allies and Resistance fighters after defeating Bearstin kicked the Aydinirans out. You can say you retreated on your own behalf, but that's the same thing the USA said in Vietnam. :^]

Also im not closed minded to change some stuff about the Lore from time to time.

Also, Aclus well well well! Come here you son of a biatch and give me a hug you sly devil you!!! We all missed you bud, welcome home.

Kaitani and Aclus

im Beginning to feel Carinia would historically be good allies to the Immobilians and Arenginians throughout history

Kaitani wrote:im Beginning to feel Carinia would historically be good allies to the Immobilians and Arenginians throughout history

Have I found myself an Islander friend? Does this mean vacations?

Bearstin and Kaitani

Kaitani wrote:It's been regionally canon since its formation that in the modern day the sole superpowers are Afrikaanza and Immobilia, but it is also canon that you became a superpower following the grw, there is no argument there lol
But you still are a powerful nation.
But the point of this is that Im starting meaningless regional beef based on the premise of me talking down on the big talk of a mainland nation because of the historic ideal of Carinian self-superiority lol
In all honesty you even being able to land on my shores is pretty dang unrealistic if we look at how history has gone, but it happened because I didn't really have much help other than Immobilia giving me free stuff.
And who exactly threw Bearstin into chaos? Oh right! Carinian mercenaries!

Yeah well it was sort of a d-day kinda thing anyways and we had a bunch of factors that could somewhat justify how we were somehow successful

Kaitani

So how exactly am I going to fit into the canon?

The Manticoran Empire wrote:So how exactly am I going to fit into the canon?

Little tidbits here and there, we can write you into the mainland canon a bit. Maybe a late war addition once Bearstin was on the verge of collapse and Afrikaanzan forces were pulling out

Bearstin wrote:Little tidbits here and there, we can write you into the mainland canon a bit. Maybe a late war addition once Bearstin was on the verge of collapse and Afrikaanzan forces were pulling out

That's a bit insulting but it makes sense. Adding me in earlier would require a massive change.

Bearstin grew a lot!

And thank you all for the welcome backs, however I am here to check up on everyone

Bearstin, Kaitani, Rannoria, and Arengin Union

Also I did not know we recruited the mighty MANTICORAN EMPIRE

The Manticoran Empire wrote:That's a bit insulting but it makes sense. Adding me in earlier would require a massive change.

Yeah but i figure you could play a better part in the Cold War

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