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So, the Political Parties on the issue of the Colonies
Monarchists: Want to re-annex the former Colonies in the hopes that the locals will be grateful and will vote Monarchist in the elections.
Republicans: Want to cut back on military interventions in the former colonies while essentially keeping them as puppet states.
Libertarians: Want to withdraw entirely and allow the former colonies to make their own decisions.
Democrats: Split. Opinions range from Monarchist to Libertarian.
Communists: Want to re-annex the former colonies with the aim of sparking a world Revolution and uniting the globe under a single Communist banner.

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Uh...what?

The link of the website was on your posts and I realised that there was some info on the site that I'd rather keep to myself.

Kinda dumb that I missed it, but yeah.

The Manticoran Empire wrote:That Bearstin and Aydinir should be nuked to pave the way for a global Manticoran Empire?

No silly that’s the opposite, I’m thinking that:
Life is a wonder, creation of the Gods. Creation is sacred. There is only one divine mission, and it is the Divine Mission of the Aydinirian Empire and its Divine Emperors - to rule over all of mankind, to recreate ancient might and glory of Old Empire in todays times, and by doing it bring back Divine Order upon the world. To unite all Children of the Gods, all barbarians and Younger Nations, under a rightful and just rule of the Firstborns, the Aydinirian Race, under Divine Emperors - living gods on earth. Isn't it just for the unruly children to be ruled by the oldest of them on their parents absence?
Divine Mission - for the Firstborns to bring back the Divine Order, for The Empire to rule over mankind as the viceroy and governor of the Gods themselves, as a vicar and shepherd of humanity. To lead to the Enlightenment and then, to the Stars!
Kholinevi Éxań Khshāyarvanaz Aydīnirań! Aťeaji Khshāyar raheto! Rahetarto!
Fean! Fean! Fean!
Glory to the Great Aydinirian Empire! Long live the Emperor! Long may He Live!
Glory! Glory! Glory!

Bearstin wrote:No silly that’s the opposite, I’m thinking that:
Life is a wonder, creation of the Gods. Creation is sacred. There is only one divine mission, and it is the Divine Mission of the Aydinirian Empire and its Divine Emperors - to rule over all of mankind, to recreate ancient might and glory of Old Empire in todays times, and by doing it bring back Divine Order upon the world. To unite all Children of the Gods, all barbarians and Younger Nations, under a rightful and just rule of the Firstborns, the Aydinirian Race, under Divine Emperors - living gods on earth. Isn't it just for the unruly children to be ruled by the oldest of them on their parents absence?
Divine Mission - for the Firstborns to bring back the Divine Order, for The Empire to rule over mankind as the viceroy and governor of the Gods themselves, as a vicar and shepherd of humanity. To lead to the Enlightenment and then, to the Stars!
Kholinevi Éxań Khshāyarvanaz Aydīnirań! Aťeaji Khshāyar raheto! Rahetarto!
Fean! Fean! Fean!
Glory to the Great Aydinirian Empire! Long live the Emperor! Long may He Live!
Glory! Glory! Glory!

Unacceptable.

Afrikaanza wrote:Who was in the right here?
https://youtu.be/R_FQU4KzN7A

The Knight is a wimp.

Afrikaanza

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Unacceptable.

Only to a younger nation

Bearstin wrote:Only to a younger nation

This "younger" nation can still reduce both of you to irradiated ash heaps.

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Also, Kaitani, is it alright if, during the 18th and 19th Centuries, I Empire a few areas of the other continents? I think it would help explain my large navy and the emphasis on mobility that my Army has.

I mean I have a large navy and I’m not gonna have a large colonial empire
You can have outposts on them, but other than that no. Idk if Achara would even be the dominant continent, even then those continents as of now are also filled with powerful states

The Manticoran Empire wrote:This "younger" nation can still reduce both of you to irradiated ash heaps.

Want to use nuclear fire against the masters of fire? Hah, you can only dream of getting rid of our supreme nation, but that would only end with mutually assured nuclear destruction. Especially since it was Aydinir (and Rusk, I have to admit) who first developed rocket and nuclear technology. If you are not a madman like Arganuta, you will not start the Nuclear Holocaust. I believe even Younger People have the capacity for reason

Shahinay wrote:Want to use nuclear fire against the masters of fire? Hah, you can only dream of getting rid of our supreme nation, but that would only end with mutually assured nuclear destruction. Especially since it was Aydinir (and Rusk, I have to admit) who first developed rocket and nuclear technology. If you are not a madman like Arganuta, you will not start the Nuclear Holocaust. I believe even Younger People have the capacity for reason

Oh I am capable of reason. Which is precisely why I have invested great amounts of wealth and time in developing and deploying and integrated Air and Missile Defense Network that will keep my military bases and cities safe from any retribution.

Though, to be honest, if I am nuking you, I'm beyond reasonable. I much prefer the subtlety of an F-35 with GBU-39s. The F-35 can carry 8 GBU-39s (IRL the Marines have a slight issue with the weapon's bay on the F-35B but this is NS so I'm more or less going with the "I already fixed the problems" write around) enabling a flight of 4 to destroy 32 different targets from 72 to 110 kilometers away, even if they are moving targets. The small size means that civilian casualties are minimal and it can penetrate hardened hangars and bunker complexes, making it perfect for attacking air bases and even cave entrances. Being paired with a stealth aircraft makes it an even more devastating weapon, since it can be deployed with little risk of the aircraft being discovered and engaged.

If I want to REALLY send a message, I'll use B-2 carried SDBs. In theory, a B-2 could carry upwards of 320 GBU-39s (though this would require some sort of modification to the fuel load and bomb bays, since the official payload limit is 18,000 kg and 320 GBU-39s would be a payload of 53,000 kg. Which would also exceed the maximum take-off weight by about 29,850 kg. I'll figure something out.

The Manticoran Empire wrote:This "younger" nation can still reduce both of you to irradiated ash heaps.

False. Our armies going head to head would be a brutal stalemate that would hurt each other more than do us any good and then any nukes you fire will be reciprocated by us and then our entire populace will be underground mole men

Bearstin wrote:False. Our armies going head to head would be a brutal stalemate that would hurt each other more than do us any good and then any nukes you fire will be reciprocated by us and then our entire populace will be underground mole men

Only if you didn't buy your place in the Immotech Special Nuclear Shelter! In the event of the nuclear apocalypse, you can always rely on Immotech for your survival needs!

The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia wrote:Only if you didn't buy your place in the Immotech Special Nuclear Shelter! In the event of the nuclear apocalypse, you can always rely on Immotech for your survival needs!

Consider it bought

Ruskland-preuben

For some reason I pulled off a scientific victory with Poland on Order in Civ 5. My very first scientific victory too, made me go ayy.

I also nuked the Netherlands/Transvaal about five times just to soften up their capital, ni🅱️🅱️🅰️ was trying hard for a diplomatic victory.

BTW Ruskland-Preuben started the Spehss Race and won it a million times over.

Kaitani wrote:I mean I have a large navy and I’m not gonna have a large colonial empire
You can have outposts on them, but other than that no. Idk if Achara would even be the dominant continent, even then those continents as of now are also filled with powerful states

You're an island nation. A strong navy makes sense. I have a short coastline. A strong navy only makes sense for me if I have substantial overseas holdings in recent history.

The Manticoran Empire wrote:You're an island nation. A strong navy makes sense. I have a short coastline. A strong navy only makes sense for me if I have substantial overseas holdings in recent history.

Bearstin also had a large navy until I wiped it off the face of the earth, and they were (still are) a land-based empire

I'm making serious modifications to the map so the boundaries are gonna change, I'm gonna even out land area a bit among our most active members so yeah.
As I said you can have outposts and small land holdings but I really don't think I'll say anything else.
Heck, look at russia's coastline, whatever isn't covered in ice during the winter barely exists.

Also, maybe you can be like France in our timeline, despite pressures from the rest of the world, refusing to let go of some colonial holdings, I'll allow that for some islands in the east, but in return I'll resize your continental holdings according

Ruskland-preuben

The Manticoran Empire wrote:You're an island nation. A strong navy makes sense. I have a short coastline. A strong navy only makes sense for me if I have substantial overseas holdings in recent history.

Did you know you could actually nuke non-cities too?

Kaitani wrote:Bearstin also had a large navy until I wiped it off the face of the earth, and they were (still are) a land-based empire

I'm making serious modifications to the map so the boundaries are gonna change, I'm gonna even out land area a bit among our most active members so yeah.
As I said you can have outposts and small land holdings but I really don't think I'll say anything else.
Heck, look at russia's coastline, whatever isn't covered in ice during the winter barely exists.

Also, maybe you can be like France in our timeline, despite pressures from the rest of the world, refusing to let go of some colonial holdings, I'll allow that for some islands in the east, but in return I'll resize your continental holdings according

Yes up until the Colonial days our navy was quite on par with the Carinain navy but then our Grand Admiral done fúcked up and got our whole navy decked and from there on out none of the Emperors wanted to reinvest in a large navy so we have a Coastline security fleet but besides that we don’t have a very active navy on the international field... if it wasn’t for you meddling Carinians I could have dominated the seas!

Kaitani

Ruskland-preuben

All these plebians talking about their primitive navies.
*laughs in Rusklandr Spehss Mehreens*

Ruskland-preuben wrote:All these plebians talking about their primitive navies.
*laughs in Rusklandr Spehss Mehreens*

Says the one worshipping an imaginary octopus 🐙

Rannoria and Shahinay

Ruskland-preuben

Bearstin wrote:Says the one worshipping an imaginary octopus 🐙

No u.

Kaitani wrote:Bearstin also had a large navy until I wiped it off the face of the earth, and they were (still are) a land-based empire

I'm making serious modifications to the map so the boundaries are gonna change, I'm gonna even out land area a bit among our most active members so yeah.
As I said you can have outposts and small land holdings but I really don't think I'll say anything else.
Heck, look at russia's coastline, whatever isn't covered in ice during the winter barely exists.

Also, maybe you can be like France in our timeline, despite pressures from the rest of the world, refusing to let go of some colonial holdings, I'll allow that for some islands in the east, but in return I'll resize your continental holdings according

I'm not saying I OWN colonies today. I'm saying that I had them BEFORE and just attempt to exert influence today.

The basic gist of my plan is that, in about the mid 1980s, I start ceding political control over my colonies to local governments. However, die to the presence of valuable mineral resources such as uranium (fuel for naval and civilian reactors), gold (circuitry for satellites and space craft), and oil (fuel for trains, planes, and automobiles, among other things) substantial military presences are maintained in the former colonies. So, since roughly 1985, the Imperial Armed Forces have been engaged in constant counter insurgency warfare in roughly a dozen countries. The resulting fact that there are Retirees in their 60s and 70s that fought in the same war as this year's High School Graduates will divides the Parliament and the populace to the point where a clear majority opinion is impossible. The factions in favor of continued operations, mostly Monarchists and Republicans with some Liberal support, use the fact that Insurgent Attacks have dropped 99% since 2002, with casualties among Imperial troops down to maybe 1 or 2 a year. This is, of course, entirely the result of liberal use of satellite intelligence and precision air strikes to find and destroy training camps. In recent years the number of Imperial troops has been reduced, though there are still thousands of troops deployed and most personnel deploy at least once in their term, with a unit deploying about every 36 months of active and every 6 years if Reserve. Most personnel perform security operations at mining and drilling sites, FOBs, MOBs, and support construction operations, building roads, schools, a modern power grid, etc. Basically doing everything it takes to ensure that the locals don't demand an end to the military presence and keep sending us the resources for dirt cheap prices.

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