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Abasinde wrote:Let's just presume that *all* opinions are acceptable, rather than it being limited to merely left-ish rallies. White nationalists and libertarians are allowed to rally too.

I was asking whether or not open discussion would now be allowed on this board.

As you know, there are those in the Region who have been very quick to shut down comments and discussions that they perceive as being insufficiently PC. This internal censorship within the Region has caused a lot of resentment and relocations to other Regions. If there is a new attitude in support of actual free speech, great. But it would be nice to know if a free exchange of views (to the extent allowed by NS rules, of course) will now be allowed before some of us will join in.

This important point will need to be settled before there is any hope of rebuilding our dear Region.

Latanst wrote:I was asking whether or not open discussion would now be allowed on this board.

As you know, there are those in the Region who have been very quick to shut down comments and discussions that they perceive as being insufficiently PC. This internal censorship within the Region has caused a lot of resentment and relocations to other Regions. If there is a new attitude in support of actual free speech, great. But it would be nice to know if a free exchange of views (to the extent allowed by NS rules, of course) will now be allowed before some of us will join in.

This important point will need to be settled before there is any hope of rebuilding our dear Region.

Look, you are guaranteed your Freedom of Speech, ¿okay?
However, that means we reserve our own rights to Freedom of Speech, ¿understood?

Abasinde wrote:Look, you are guaranteed your Freedom of Speech, ¿okay?
However, that means we reserve our own rights to Freedom of Speech, ¿understood?

Define please and please be specific (by the way, you are generally the LEAST likely to attempt to restrict speech within the Region. In fact, I can't remember an instance where you have been anything but a victim of those in the Region who sometimes practice intolerance under the guise of 'protecting speech'.--still love ya by the way!)

Latanst, free speech will be allowed, quit with the semantics.

Now, in my opinion, the right to protest should be allowed for students on all levels, so long as it's peaceful and the students are well-informed.

Hi Tayner! Nice to hear from you. No semantics here, just a straight question since open RMB discussion has been shut down by some specific individuals many times in the past.

In any case and in the hope that a new open age is dawning in the Region:
Students should of course be allowed to protest. However, if the protest is on a campus these protests should not be allowed to disrupt the education of others or to interfere with the institution's other activities.
In particular, protests should not be allowed to deny other parties' their own speech rights and protests should not be allowed to interfere with other parties' speeches, seminars, other protests, etc.

Free speech is free speech. As long as no one else's rights and freedoms are being infringed, very few restrictions should be allowed. However, free speech is not an excuse for a tantrum, for violence, or to drown out the speech of others--no matter what the conflicting view might be. Nor is it a 'get out of class free' card and any absence should be 'unexcused' unless approved in advance by the instructor.

It's true, Sta Invian is singlehandedly responsible for all the region's ills. They're quite a monster, really. Latanst is clearly the hero of the region in their righteous crusade against them.

I'm supportive of the right for students to protest, so long as they involve no physical violence and set clear goals, including initial steps on large changes. I'm also supportive of the right to disrupt the education institution's activities, so long as it is students doing it. Afterall if they aren't actually making a noticeable action then it isn't really a protest. It would be like an industrial strike where instead of shutting down the work site workers just tried to book sick leave in large numbers (noting sick leave, amongst many other benefits, exist because of disruptive strikes). It misses the point and wouldn't work in implementing change.

I do believe it is a shame that students will be missing out on their education for the strike, especially any that might be impacted without their intended involvement. The same goes for the impact on staff in these institutions. Still, it is an effective and potentially democratic process allowing individuals a voice outside of the rare election.

Hope and Rationality wrote:It's true, Sta Invian is singlehandedly responsible for all the region's ills. They're quite a monster, really. Latanst is clearly the hero of the region in their righteous crusade against them.

I'm supportive of the right for students to process, so long as they involve no physical violence and set clear goals, including initial steps on large changes. I'm also supportive of the right to disrupt the education institution's activities, so long as it is students doing it. Afterall if they aren't actually making a noticeable action then it isn't really a protest. It would be like an industrial strike where instead of shutting down the work site workers just tried to book sick leave in large numbers (noting sick leave, amongst many other benefits, exist because of disruptive strikes). It misses the point and wouldn't work in implementing change.

I do believe it is a shame that students will be missing out on their education for the strike, especially any that might be impacted without their intended involvement. The same goes for the impact on staff in these institutions. Still, it is an effective and potentially democratic process allowing individuals a voice outside of the rare election.

I almost wholeheartedly agree with you. If i am to be sincere for just one moment, students ABSOLUTELY need the right to disruptively protest. However, i feel that this sentiment is largely restricted to colleges and universities. Unfortunately, my high school experience only saw one attempt at a protest, and it was pitiful.

It was the national walkout done after the Parkland Shooting. I went because i wanted to experience a protest for the first time in my life. God, it was lame and useless. No one could hear the speakers, who were the leaders of the Feminist Club, so i already did not care much for them... The only interesting thing about it were the guys who came out with a Gadsden Flag and some signs arguing in favor of gun ownership. Those were the only people who i could see that actually had an opinion i could see and hear. The speakers literally gave us nothing. It was absolutely pitiful an attempt.

Overall, this is clearly not a normal protest, but i do think that it is a normal occurrence for a high school protest. Ultimately, i find it concerning that these sort of disruptive protests are so meek and useless within the confines of a high school. I understand that high schoolers are not the most conscious of people, but it still bothers me deeply...

Hope and Rationality wrote:It's true, Sta Invian is singlehandedly responsible for all the region's ills. They're quite a monster, really..

I have no idea what this bit is about. I have never spoken to or about Sta Invian and so assume s/he is a fine and upstanding person/nation.

As for defending disruption: I see any disruption that harms an institution or that prevents, for example, a student from enjoying the benefits of some of his/her education as a form of theft.
Along with physical violation, such actions should be, and frequently are, treated as crimes. Students and other protestors need to learn to convince others in mature ways. Otherwise judge and jury can decide if the target of the protest deserve the harm done by the protesters. Free speech is not an excuse for violence, whether direct or indirect.

Abasinde wrote:I almost wholeheartedly agree with you. If i am to be sincere for just one moment, students ABSOLUTELY need the right to disruptively protest. However, i feel that this sentiment is largely restricted to colleges and universities. Unfortunately, my high school experience only saw one attempt at a protest, and it was pitiful.

It was the national walkout done after the Parkland Shooting. I went because i wanted to experience a protest for the first time in my life. God, it was lame and useless. No one could hear the speakers, who were the leaders of the Feminist Club, so i already did not care much for them... The only interesting thing about it were the guys who came out with a Gadsden Flag and some signs arguing in favor of gun ownership. Those were the only people who i could see that actually had an opinion i could see and hear. The speakers literally gave us nothing. It was absolutely pitiful an attempt.

Lucky you were allowed to participate... school security practically barred the doors at my high school, and we got in severe trouble for participating (I was a good student, so I didn't get anything more than a detention one day, though one girl got suspended for 2 weeks just for participating.)

Sacred Stars wrote:Lucky you were allowed to participate... school security practically barred the doors at my high school, and we got in severe trouble for participating (I was a good student, so I didn't get anything more than a detention one day, though one girl got suspended for 2 weeks just for participating.)

You guys should have led a riot.

Huh, our Two Year Anniversary is coming up... ¿Should we celebrate?

Abasinde wrote:Huh, our Two Year Anniversary is coming up... ¿Should we celebrate?

Two year anniversary of the region? We refounded 3 years and 262 days ago. Tomorrow though is apparently the two year anniversary of our defunct embassy with The Nations of Ridgeview who tragically became inactive and were destroyed by raiders four months ago. Rest in Peace

Hope and Rationality wrote:Two year anniversary of the region? We refounded 3 years and 262 days ago. Tomorrow though is apparently the two year anniversary of our defunct embassy with The Nations of Ridgeview who tragically became inactive and were destroyed by raiders four months ago. Rest in Peace

I am illiterate clearly.

Oh yea, ¿what happened to the CSS Football League?

I asked people to submit teams and I got either one or two, including mine. Happy to remake it though

Hope and Rationality wrote:I asked people to submit teams and I got either one or two, including mine. Happy to remake it though

I'm on board with that...

Here's another discussion topic!

In a democracy what voting system, or combination of voting systems, is the best and why?

Looking forward to your answers!

Hope and Rationality wrote:Here's another discussion topic!

In a democracy what voting system, or combination of voting systems, is the best and why?

Looking forward to your answers!

¿Why would you want democracy?

Abasinde wrote:¿Why would you want democracy?

Now this is edgy.

But in all honesty I do think any form of democracy should not be reliant on the majority of people being able to vote, seeing as the majority is often collectively brain dead when it comes to decision making. This is why I do think the Federal Republic the the Founders of the United States of America created is the ideal form of a democratic state

Ithalian Empire wrote:Now this is edgy.

But in all honesty I do think any form of democracy should not be reliant on the majority of people being able to vote, seeing as the majority is often collectively brain dead when it comes to decision making. This is why I do think the Federal Republic the the Founders of the United States of America created is the ideal form of a democratic state

I very much agree.

The founders of the American republic were brilliant in their assessment of their fellow men and in devising systems to ensure widespread representation and involvement They wisely feared the mob which is why the US is a republic and not a true democracy. Unfortunately, the country started stepping away from the various checks and balances included in the Constitution almost immediately and many flaws have been allowed to creep in.
I am an Originalist and would be very pleased to see steps taken to re-institute the US system as originally envisioned (perhaps just eliminating the sexist and racists bits).

Otherwise, I am a great supporter of a true meritocracy if one could be created. I am leery of dictatorships and parliamentary systems.

令和!!

Latanst wrote:令和!!

天皇陛下万歳 (did I get that right?)

Sacred Stars wrote:天皇陛下万歳 (did I get that right?)

You did indeed!

天皇陛下 万歳!

Tenno Heika, Banzai!

Long Live His Majesty the Emperor!

Latanst wrote:You did indeed!

天皇陛下 万歳!

Tenno Heika, Banzai!

Long Live His Majesty the Emperor!

Тупо

Abasinde wrote:Тупо

If you're gonna foreign language, then at least foreign language correctly.

Besides, an adverb doesn't fit here. Maybe use an adjective instead?

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