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Ultrackia

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:One of things which initially attracted me to Rosa Luxemburg was her book, Social Reform or Revolution. IMO, socialism or communism cannot be established without a revolution. Our world is in need of radical surgery, not just some aspirin. :-)

Revolution leads to tyranny and chaos, the only way to asstablish socialism is reform

North catonia

js Dictatorship of the Proletariat is neither a 'dictatorship' not 'of the proletariat.' The better word to have used would be Dictatorship for the Proletariat; this wasn't supposed to be a permanent state either - purely a transition phase. And if you also think that 1) Marx's work called for oppression or 2) Marx and Stalin are interchangeable you either have an extremely loose grip of Communist/Leftist theory or you've read the whole thing completely wrong

Ultrackia wrote:Revolution leads to tyranny and chaos, the only way to asstablish socialism is reform

I just don't see any evidence of social democratic or democratic socialist reforms (as described by Eduard Bernstein) leading to socialism or communism. Now, I am adopting the definitions of socialism or communism given by Marx and Engels (who used these terms more-or-less interchangeably). Under communism or socialism, the assets of capitalism are seized from the capitalists and turned over to worker cooperatives. I agree with Rosa. Reform can do some things, but it can't collectivize capital.

North catonia wrote:js Dictatorship of the Proletariat is neither a 'dictatorship' not 'of the proletariat.' The better word to have used would be Dictatorship for the Proletariat; this wasn't supposed to be a permanent state either - purely a transition phase. And if you also think that 1) Marx's work called for oppression or 2) Marx and Stalin are interchangeable you either have an extremely loose grip of Communist/Leftist theory or you've read the whole thing completely wrong

I understand "dictatorship for the proletariat" is just a transition phase, that's why I said (only half seriously) that I'd remain in the transition phase so I can keep practicing it. And I never said the ideals of Karl Marx are interchangeable with Stalin's. I said the term "Marxism-Leninism" is synonymous with Stalinism, which it is. Stalin is the person who first started using it to describe the application of Marxism in the USSR. "Stalinism" is more of an outside term used to describe certain policies and authoritarian aspects of Stalin's administration, it's not its own ideology separate from Marxism-Leninism. I've read the Communist Manifesto and realize Marx did not call for oppression, I'm not calling for oppression in the real world either. Maybe on NationStates where it doesn't matter, but none of this necessarily reflects my beliefs IRL

Zolakia wrote:I understand "dictatorship for the proletariat" is just a transition phase, that's why I said (only half seriously) that I'd remain in the transition phase so I can keep practicing it. And I never said the ideals of Karl Marx are interchangeable with Stalin's. I said the term "Marxism-Leninism" is synonymous with Stalinism, which it is.

Although Stalin coined the term, there are other forms of Marxism-Leninism, including Marxism-Leninism-Trotskyism, Marxism-Leninism-Gramscism (Antonio Gramsci), and (though not so common) Marxism-Leninism-Lukácsism (Georg Lukács). International revolutionary democratic communism is another non-Stalinist version of Marxism-Leninism developed by the Communist Party of Great Britain (Provisional Central Committee).

North catonia

The jorgeland wrote:Hi

Hello!

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The jorgeland wrote:Im new

Welcome to the region then!

Pyeoning

I just got WMD’s :)

Ultrackia

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:I just don't see any evidence of social democratic or democratic socialist reforms (as described by Eduard Bernstein) leading to socialism or communism. Now, I am adopting the definitions of socialism or communism given by Marx and Engels (who used these terms more-or-less interchangeably). Under communism or socialism, the assets of capitalism are seized from the capitalists and turned over to worker cooperatives. I agree with Rosa. Reform can do some things, but it can't collectivize capital.

With enough work it can, the hard part is getting the people to realize it is an improvement, something nessacery for either system, and while reform can lead to socialism via social democracy revolution has been shown to lead to a power struggle were the most ruthless dictator wins.

Ultrackia wrote:With enough work it can, the hard part is getting the people to realize it is an improvement, something nessacery for either system, and while reform can lead to socialism via social democracy revolution has been shown to lead to a power struggle were the most ruthless dictator wins.

Well, they are different political philosophies. I am interested, ultimately, in the complete elimination of capitalism, not simply improving society.

Pyeoning

I need 3 more people to want to run for peoples congress, please tell me if you would like to do so!

Democratic Peoples Republic of Siberia wrote:I need 3 more people to want to run for peoples congress, please tell me if you would like to do so!

That sounds like it could be fun. I have to go to class soon, but we can talk it about after.

Democratic Peoples Republic of Siberia wrote:I need 3 more people to want to run for peoples congress, please tell me if you would like to do so!

You mean I am not enough? (just kidding) :-)

Democratic Peoples Republic of Siberia wrote:I need 3 more people to want to run for peoples congress, please tell me if you would like to do so!

What offices?

Imperial Von Emple wrote:What offices?

The Congress is simply the legislative branch, there is no seperate offices in the congress, its a collective group

North catonia

Democratic Peoples Republic of Siberia wrote:The Congress is simply the legislative branch, there is no seperate offices in the congress, its a collective group

I'll go for it

North catonia wrote:I'll go for it

that makes three then, also to anyone else thinking of running you must be in the discord

Pyeoning

I’d like to join discord so I can run for Congress!

Pyeoning wrote:I’d like to join discord so I can run for Congress!

link is in the WFE

Democratic Peoples Republic of Siberia wrote:I need 3 more people to want to run for peoples congress, please tell me if you would like to do so!

What are the requirements?

Iskania wrote:What are the requirements?

you must atleast be considered a citizen by the citizenship law

Requirements for Citizenship

by Ctsn legislation booth

Workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains!
CTSN Official Legislation

Confederation of Traditional Socialist Nations



    Requirements to be a citizen (All of these are needed to be a citizen)
  1. Owns a nation within the region.

  2. Must be of an ideology on the leftist spectrum.

  3. Cannot formally have resided in a fascist region for any amount of time.

  4. Cannot have worked or be working alongside or with fascist military organization.

  5. Cannot have been or currently being charged with treason against the Confederation.



    Optional but increases likelihood of being granted citizenship.
  6. Nation is in the WA and endorsing the Delegate.

Official CTSN document

This document has been officially approved by the current Central Committee And Peoples congress :
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Ultrackia

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:Well, they are different political philosophies. I am interested, ultimately, in the complete elimination of capitalism, not simply improving society.

Reform can achieve that, sure it takes longer than revolution but in the end the society is stable and it is much harder for a Stalin like dictator to seize power.

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