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Free-Reorganized-States wrote:-snip-

This is a game. I'm allowed to maintain a standard for the Alliance.

Socialist Platypus wrote:August would have swooped in long ago and just make things that way.
And it isn't the case, so it just won't happen.

I will also add that I would never do anything detrimental to August or his Alliance. He has entrusted me with my position as his right hand because he knows this. I'm not foolish as to throw away the trust I have from my longtime friend and mentor.

Post self-deleted by Kinshinsoukan.

Kinshinsoukan

Emiline wrote:This is a game. I'm allowed to maintain a standard for the Alliance.

May I ask which depictions are banned exactly? Since I’m using the symbol that Japan used during WWII (in different colors and without the communist sign in the middle) I‘m concerned that I need to change my flag

Socialist Platypus wrote:

If you want a short on why this policy was implemented it is to stop being a potential home for people who might be in support of those movements, of which the flag got banned. It's a general way of telling people that those are unwelcomed.

Thank you very much, that's specifically what I wanted.

Define your terms, consider your goals, and enforce evenly.
Without doing these when implementing censorship, you'll end up like Twitter, and nobody wants that.

Authoritarianism is sometimes necessary, I understand that as much as anyone, but it's not something to take lightly.

Galliadurm and Kinshinsoukan

Post by Vioxa suppressed by Emiline.

Kinshinsoukan wrote:May I ask which depictions are banned exactly? Since I’m using the symbol that Japan used during WWII (in different colors and without the communist sign in the middle) I‘m concerned that I need to change my flag


| ABOUT | CENTRAL STRATEGIC COMMITTEE | HISTORY | JOINT TASK FORCE | NEWSROOM | OFFSITE | POLICIES || CAPE OF GOOD HOPE | CONCH KINGDOM | LAND'S END | RIDGEFIELD | ANTERIA |
In reference to Augustin Alliance Policy AA13

Organizations

Fascist

Hate Group

Other

German Workers' Party

Ku Klux Klan/Brotherhood of Klans

Lehi/Stern Gang

Nazi Party

America First Committee

Soldiers of Odin

National Democratic Party of Germany

Aryan Nations

National Fascist Party (Italy)

White Aryan Resistance

Republican Fascist Party (Italy)

National Socialist Movement

National Socialist Workers' Party of Denmark

United Constitutional Patriots

National Unity Party (Haiti)

Proud Boys

Tōhōkai

EURO

Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las JONS

National Vanguard

National Union (Portugal)

Blood & Honour

Zveno

Keystone United

Union of Bulgarian National Legions

The Social Contract Press

National Christian Party (Romania)

Nuwaubian Nation of Moors

Iron Guard

National Alliance

Yugoslav Radical Union

Imperial Klans of America

Ustaša – Croatian Revolutionary Movement

White Revolution

Arrow Cross Party (Hungary)

New Black Panther Party

British Union of Fascists

Westboro Baptist Church

Croix-de-Feu

Council of Conservative Citizens

Freethinkers' Party (Greece)

League of the South

Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists

Moorish Sovereign Citizens

Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging

Oath Keepers

Rexist Party (Belgium)

Nasjonal Samling

Fatherland Front (Austria)

Silver Legion of America

Christian Party (USA)

Friends of New Germany

German American Bund

American Nazi Party

Albanian Fascist Party

Brazilian Integralist Action

Golden Square (Iraq)

Concordia Association (Manchuria)

Sammarinese Fascist Party

National Pro Patria Party

Kataeb Party (Lebanon)

Patriot Front (USA)

Organizations listed are included either through self-description or designation as such by Southern Poverty Law Center.

Symbols

Symbol

Swastika*

Arrow Cross

Aryan Fist

Blood Drop Cross

Black Sun

SS Bolts

Fasces*

Strasserist Sword and Hammer

Othala Rune*

*Some instances may be exempt from rules per ruling from the Central Strategic Committee for Cultural or Roleplay reasons.

For any additions, removals, or inquires on this list may be directed to the CSC Admins. Please telegram Emiline and/or Cle Brait or send a discord message to Emiline#7505 and/or Babylon98#7188.

Created and maintained by Emiline. Do not reproduce, in whole or in part, without explicit permission.

Read dispatch


here

Post by Kinshinsoukan suppressed by Emiline.

Kinshinsoukan

Vioxa wrote:

| ABOUT | CENTRAL STRATEGIC COMMITTEE | HISTORY | JOINT TASK FORCE | NEWSROOM | OFFSITE | POLICIES || CAPE OF GOOD HOPE | CONCH KINGDOM | LAND'S END | RIDGEFIELD | ANTERIA |
In reference to Augustin Alliance Policy AA13

Organizations

Fascist

Hate Group

Other

German Workers' Party

Ku Klux Klan/Brotherhood of Klans

Lehi/Stern Gang

Nazi Party

America First Committee

Soldiers of Odin

National Democratic Party of Germany

Aryan Nations

National Fascist Party (Italy)

White Aryan Resistance

Republican Fascist Party (Italy)

National Socialist Movement

National Socialist Workers' Party of Denmark

United Constitutional Patriots

National Unity Party (Haiti)

Proud Boys

Tōhōkai

EURO

Falange Española Tradicionalista y de las JONS

National Vanguard

National Union (Portugal)

Blood & Honour

Zveno

Keystone United

Union of Bulgarian National Legions

The Social Contract Press

National Christian Party (Romania)

Nuwaubian Nation of Moors

Iron Guard

National Alliance

Yugoslav Radical Union

Imperial Klans of America

Ustaša – Croatian Revolutionary Movement

White Revolution

Arrow Cross Party (Hungary)

New Black Panther Party

British Union of Fascists

Westboro Baptist Church

Croix-de-Feu

Council of Conservative Citizens

Freethinkers' Party (Greece)

League of the South

Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists

Moorish Sovereign Citizens

Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging

Oath Keepers

Rexist Party (Belgium)

Nasjonal Samling

Fatherland Front (Austria)

Silver Legion of America

Christian Party (USA)

Friends of New Germany

German American Bund

American Nazi Party

Albanian Fascist Party

Brazilian Integralist Action

Golden Square (Iraq)

Concordia Association (Manchuria)

Sammarinese Fascist Party

National Pro Patria Party

Kataeb Party (Lebanon)

Patriot Front (USA)

Organizations listed are included either through self-description or designation as such by Southern Poverty Law Center.

Symbols

Symbol

Swastika*

Arrow Cross

Aryan Fist

Blood Drop Cross

Black Sun

SS Bolts

Fasces*

Strasserist Sword and Hammer

Othala Rune*

*Some instances may be exempt from rules per ruling from the Central Strategic Committee for Cultural or Roleplay reasons.

For any additions, removals, or inquires on this list may be directed to the CSC Admins. Please telegram Emiline and/or Cle Brait or send a discord message to Emiline#7505 and/or Babylon98#7188.

Created and maintained by Emiline. Do not reproduce, in whole or in part, without explicit permission.

Read dispatch


here

I should be safe then

Great Koryeo wrote:https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410255926239428609/973445973458190356/Fascist_Symbols_AA_Ban.pdf

It's a little off to say that FET/Franco was really fascist, he's more just an old-school dictator that was friendly with a Fascist.

and

Tōhōka should be Tōhōkai

Sri Malawi wrote:It's a little off to say that FET/Franco was really fascist, he's more just an old-school dictator that was friendly with a Fascist.

and

Tōhōka should be Tōhōkai

That's what defining terms is for, so you can moderate fairly.

Kinshinsoukan wrote:May I ask which depictions are banned exactly? Since I’m using the symbol that Japan used during WWII (in different colors and without the communist sign in the middle) I‘m concerned that I need to change my flag

Nothing, yet. Please stop distributing something I've not officially published yet and am still working on.

Kinshinsoukan

Emiline wrote:Nothing, yet. Please stop distributing something I've not officially published yet.

Except I‘m not the one who first distributed it. Have a look again and complain to the right one

Sri Malawi wrote:It's a little off to say that FET/Franco was really fascist, he's more just an old-school dictator that was friendly with a Fascist.

and

Tōhōka should be Tōhōkai

Yes it should be. Thanks for pointing out the typo the last letter must have gotten knocked off when I pasted the table code.

Emiline wrote:Nothing, yet. Please stop distributing something I've not officially published yet.

To be fair I'm pretty sure that it's normal to protest laws that are in the process of being enacted.

Kinshinsoukan

Kinshinsoukan wrote:Except I‘m not the one who first distributed it. Have a look again and complain to the right one

I'm not complaining. I'm requesting it from all. Regardless of who does it first.

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:To be fair I'm pretty sure that it's normal to protest laws that are in the process of being enacted.

By all means you can talk about it and in the future maybe you can come and talk to me about it beforehand. You talk a lot about what I should and shouldn't do when I consider thinfs but did you actually stop and ask me first? Just little miffed right now that you're throwing a lot of assumptions as to my line of reasoning.

As I said this is a game and I'm allowed to hpld a standard to uphold the safety and integrity of the Alliance. We'd be singing a different tune if this was the real world and regarding actual law and government but this is a browser game.

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:To be fair I'm pretty sure that it's normal to protest laws that are in the process of being enacted.

pff

Kinshinsoukan

Emiline wrote:I'm not complaining. I'm requesting it from all. Regardless of who does it first.

Then make sure you tag everyone involved and not just one that you pick out. Btw if it is not ready then don’t publish it. Keep it as Word Document or sth on your device and publish it when it’s ready. Otherwise we should be free to use it. Or at least specifically state it in the dispatch. Really isn’t that hard

Kinshinsoukan wrote:Then make sure you tag everyone involved and not just one that you pick out. Btw if it is not ready then don’t publish it. Keep it as Word Document or sth on your device and publish it when it’s ready. Otherwise we should be free to use it. Or at least specifically state it in the dispatch. Really isn’t that hard

It says in the title "-work in progress-". I thought that was a pretty clear indicator.

Kinshinsoukan

Emiline wrote:It says in the title "-work in progress-". I thought that was a pretty clear indicator.

Work in progress doesn’t mean Do not distribute

Fabiniku

Kinshinsoukan wrote:Work in progress doesn’t mean Do not distribute

Feel like you moved the goal posts a little there.

Regardless I'll fill you all in a little bit. Allowing said groups, even their symbols, can serve as an unintentional dog whistle and in the past we've had bigots try to find safe harbor in our communities. Just through my initial sweep of Conch Kingdom I found people using symbols of Strasserism, Nazism, Fascism, and the likes. Almost like the way you outwardly market your region does matter. I personally don't tolerate racists and genociders and it will be clear that bigots have no place in the alliance. I am not interested in platforming hate speech and groups that wish harm, oppression, and death in their creed in our alliance. I doubt anyone wants to make the case to me that I should allow nazis and white supremacists here because you know as well as I do that we don't want those here.

I think you misunderstand when I say "don't distribute it". I say this as a "hey. Its not enforced yet so don't be passing it around like it's an official rule." By all means, look at it, talk bout it. This dispatch is a list I am putting together which will serve as a list to the official AA policy, which shall be posted on our policy list on our master dispatch, when done. Until then it is not in force. Once it does go into force the entire alliance will be notified and then it shall be enforced.

Emiline wrote:By all means you can talk about it and in the future maybe you can come and talk to me about it beforehand. You talk a lot about what I should and shouldn't do when I consider thinfs but did you actually stop and ask me first? Just little miffed right now that you're throwing a lot of assumptions as to my line of reasoning.

As I said this is a game and I'm allowed to hpld a standard to uphold the safety and integrity of the Alliance. We'd be singing a different tune if this was the real world and regarding actual law and government but this is a browser game.

Mate what I said was universal, the only thing that would invalidate it, is if you were already doing it.

Even if it's not done yet, you really shouldn't start picking out groups without defining your terms at least.

My criticism is specific to the process of your rule, not your intentions, or even your implementation.

If my assumptions are incorrect in that regard, you can just tell me, and it will likely ease concerns for more than just me.

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:Mate what I said was universal, the only thing that would invalidate it, is if you were already doing it.

Even if it's not done yet, you really shouldn't start picking out groups without defining your terms at least.

My criticism is specific to the process of your rule, not your intentions, or even your implementation.

If my assumptions are incorrect in that regard, you can just tell me, and it will likely ease concerns for more than just me.

I have to disagree slightly. There is a clear difference between a government encroaching on the rights of citizenship and a private citizen, existing on a private game, mananging their own community. By all means you can shoot me a telegram or message me on discord at Emiline#7505 with questions, comments, and concerns.

Kinshinsoukan

Emiline wrote:Feel like you moved the goal posts a little there.

Regardless I'll fill you all in a little bit. Allowing said groups, even their symbols, can serve as an unintentional dog whistle and in the past we've had bigots try to find safe harbor in our communities. Just through my initial sweep of Conch Kingdom I found people using symbols of Strasserism, Nazism, Fascism, and the likes. Almost like the way you outwardly market your region does matter. I personally don't tolerate racists and genociders and it will be clear that bigots have no place in the alliance. I am not interested in platforming hate speech and groups that wish harm, oppression, and death in their creed in our alliance. I doubt anyone wants to make the case to me that I should allow nazis and white supremacists here because you know as well as I do that we don't want those here.

I think you misunderstand when I say "don't distribute it". I say this as a "hey. Its not enforced yet so don't be passing it around like it's an official rule." By all means, look at it, talk bout it. This dispatch is a list I am putting together which will serve as a list to the official AA policy, which shall be posted on our policy list on our master dispatch, when done. Until then it is not in force. Once it does go into force the entire alliance will be notified and then it shall be enforced.

I didn’t move the goalposts anywhere. You don’t want people distributing it then clearly state that in the dispatch or don’t publish it anywhere. That’s all I said. Didn’t change whatsoever.
„Bigots have no place in the alliance“ then that goes for anyone that is fanatic about sth. If you keep that line then CK will only be allowing democracies someday. Non-religious democracies might I add. Also the wording you have remind of the „bigots“ on Twitter or extreme left in general. Doesn’t really help making a point. Keep it more objective without words like „bigots“ as Platypus is doing it. Otherwise you just push whatever agenda you have onto someone, not really allowing any good discussion to evolve as it them gets fueled by emotions.

Then I don’t see that suppressing the posts was justified. Suppress your own posts as you double posted which goes against a rule.

Emiline wrote:I have to disagree slightly. There is a clear difference between a government encroaching on the rights of citizenship and a private citizen, existing on a private game, mananging their own community. By all means you can shoot me a telegram or message me on discord at Emiline#7505 with questions, comments, and concerns.

Personally I think that the moral responsibilities exist just the same, games just have lower stakes.

I also think that you would only benefit from using the guide to responsible censorship, but in the end I can only voice my opinion.

Kinshinsoukan

Free-Reorganized-States wrote:Personally I think that the moral responsibilities exist just the same, games just have lower stakes.

I also think that you would only benefit from using the guide to responsible censorship, but in the end I can only voice my opinion.

By all means. Im still wanting to hear as to why should allow Nazis, white supremacists, and racists as these are the groups I have tapped for censorship. I understand your concern but on the flipside I have a moral responsibility to not platform these viewpoints and to protect the members of the alliance from them.

Emiline wrote:By all means. Im still wanting to hear as to why should allow Nazis, white supremacists, and racists as these are the groups I have tapped for censorship. I understand your concern but on the flipside I have a moral responsibility to not platform these viewpoints and to protect the members of the alliance from them.

Because as Kinshinsoukan pointed out, hate is subjective.

It's entirely possible in defining your terms that some of the groups you included don't actually fit your description, or alternatively that some of you are in violation of your own rules.

That kind of introspection is important, and it ensures that you're only targeting groups you intend to.

Maybe you're entirely right in your assessment, but that's less likely than you might think.

If you don't define your terms you start off banning racists, then end up banning nationalists, then next thing you know you're lumping in libertarians with Hitler.
It might seem absurd, but it's already happened all over the place.

For example just a start:

How about you define racist as any group whose stated goal is to implement authoritarian policy, in the name of a race based identitarian agenda?

The issue is with the subjective potential of what is and isn't considered racist.

Kinshinsoukan

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