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The united oman

I really wanted to go down the serious political polling but ended up with this lol

The united oman wrote:I really wanted to go down the serious political polling but ended up with this lol

Who needs serious political polling when you have the entire political compass in Kaputer's comments

Nazerin

I for one think that Kaputer made some good points. People shouldn't insult him just because they don't agree with him.
Have some respect for other people's opinions

Binary and The united oman

Yall should rather be itchy for life because you can get used to a itch overtime. but when your sticking to everything, your life is miserable.
It also makes it impossible to have sex btw.

The united oman

Kennethburg wrote:Yall should rather be itchy for life because you can get used to a itch overtime. but when your sticking to everything, your life is miserable.
It also makes it impossible to have sex btw.

You wot m8? As per the whole antifa/ white nationalist thing they're both just god awful. A friendly reminder to everyone that violence is not a legitimate means to achieve a political goal.

Nazerin, Kennethburg, and Cland eastopia

Obnoxious kids who say deca diamonds

Hello Capitalistic Paradise! I am Duckyian empire and I will be using Obnoxious kids who say deca diamonds here as the Emissary from 10000 Islands. I hope to have a great relationship with you guys and your region!

Chsemo, Drasnia, Nazerin, Acario, and 2 othersThe united oman, and Novy husitsky

Czeckolutania wrote:You wot m8? As per the whole antifa/ white nationalist thing they're both just god awful. A friendly reminder to everyone that violence is not a legitimate means to achieve a political goal.

Violence is a practical means of action for they who feel disenfranchised. Violence is also a legitimate political device.

Representative democracy is a new, unique, and fragile institution. It's really an experiment and not historically accepted or validated. It's unlikely to survive in the Americas past the next couple of decades as its champions are dead or dying and have been largely replaced by activists, demagogues, cynics, and extremists.

Cheers!

Nazerin

Obnoxious kids who say deca diamonds wrote:Hello Capitalistic Paradise! I am Duckyian empire and I will be using Obnoxious kids who say deca diamonds here as the Emissary from 10000 Islands. I hope to have a great relationship with you guys and your region!

Welcome! You should know that members of regions which we have embassies with are allowed to post on our RMB, so you can use your primary nation to communicate with us without having to leave your region.

The united oman

Zenzibar wrote:Violence is a practical means of action for they who feel disenfranchised. Violence is also a legitimate political device.

Representative democracy is a new, unique, and fragile institution. It's really an experiment and not historically accepted or validated. It's unlikely to survive in the Americas past the next couple of decades as its champions are dead or dying and have been largely replaced by activists, demagogues, cynics, and extremists.

Cheers!

when has any form of government ever not been fragile?

The united oman and Cland eastopia

Kennethburg wrote:when has any form of government ever not been fragile?

*points at head* Your government can't be fragile if you have no government at all.

Metacrisis, The united oman, Kennethburg, Cland eastopia, and 1 otherSmallest

Cland eastopia

Drasnia wrote:*points at head* Your government can't be fragile if you have no government at all.

I mean... you're not wrong...

The united oman and Kennethburg

We all just need to calm down and respect each other. I served this country because I cared for my common brother and sister. My friend Spc. Etienne Murphy, a Ranger, died this May in Syria on his first deployment. He signed up knowing the dangers of protecting his home and also the state of the country as well. We as Americans need to know right from wrong and defend against the evil that bombard us, looking to rip us apart everyday. No matter if its Nazis, white supremacists who use the battle flag of an adversary nation we created with the cornerstone of racism and have repent, terrorist organizations of all spectrums, demagogues or any person, group or nation that seeks to divide us. We must come together and fight to preserve our nation, cause I be dammed if I let my home that my brothers and sisters and I fought or died for succumb to darkness. And if you're a true American, you do the same.

Nazerin, Nation of Quebec, The united oman, Naproxin, and 1 otherCland eastopia

The united oman

Im back from the dead

Chsemo and Cland eastopia

The united oman wrote:Im back from the dead

Well, glad to have you back

Seriously? Getting rid of the Electoral College is a terrible idea! Big Cities will determine the next president. The only reason this has come up is because Clinton lost.

Democrats didn't complain when Obama won, but when their candidate lost this time, they cry about it. Now, grow up children. The EC is here to stay, since it the only way to ensure a truly 'fair' elections

The stars in daylight, 46566, Novy husitsky, and Cland eastopia

As well as the above, here's the explanation as to why the electoral college exists for all of our Non-Americans here if there are any, from an American. The EC exists mainly for two reasons: population and area, both of which are gigantic in the US (third largest country and third highest population worldwide). Granted that it hasn't always been this way for all of American history, but the general populous worked the same way now as it always has- a large amount of voting diversity, ever since every election after George Washington, our first president who was unanimously voted in but refused a third term (4 years as president). This was expected by many of our Founding Fathers, the original group who created the US Government. As quoted by Alexander Hamilton, "A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder." (On the Electoral College). This can also be found in alike manners from other Founding Fathers. In simplest terms- the Electoral College exists to prevent chaos and to ensure that the most qualified individuals choose the person that the majority of individuals of their state want as president. This is also seen in other US Governmental areas i.e. the Senate. As at the end of Hamilton's statement I've quoted, the Founding Fathers were disgusted and afraid of the "Tyranny by Majority" and so the Electoral College combats that.
Noted- There is the possibility that Electors (people who vote in the electoral college) can defect, which HAS happened, even in 2016, but nearly always the Electors stay true to their State's majority. In fact, in 2016, 7 electors defected, 2 from Donald Trump and 5 from Hillary Clinton, leaving Trump vs. Hillary at 304-207 thus a Trump landslide.

To add my own opinion, the electoral college is actually a better version of the popular vote, because it counts the popular vote for the entire states, showing that if a candidate gets more votes, they are actually more popular.

On Hillary's popular vote win- these votes came from the big cities in the US, which are almost all Democratic (Hillary's party), which tend to generate a lot of votes. The biggest contenders are notably New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago, the three biggest cities in the US, which all had the Women's March, tons of "F_ck Trump" people, and notably government-dependent populaces. As noted by many pro-ECers, if we had no Electoral College, candidates would only campaign in the cities and forget about the rest of America.

The stars in daylight, Nazerin, 46566, Acario, and 3 othersScorpions Army, Naproxin, and Cland eastopia

Novy husitsky wrote:As well as the above, here's the explanation as to why the electoral college exists for all of our Non-Americans here if there are any, from an American. The EC exists mainly for two reasons: population and area, both of which are gigantic in the US (third largest country and third highest population worldwide). Granted that it hasn't always been this way for all of American history, but the general populous worked the same way now as it always has- a large amount of voting diversity, ever since every election after George Washington, our first president who was unanimously voted in but refused a third term (4 years as president). This was expected by many of our Founding Fathers, the original group who created the US Government. As quoted by Alexander Hamilton, "A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder." (On the Electoral College). This can also be found in alike manners from other Founding Fathers. In simplest terms- the Electoral College exists to prevent chaos and to ensure that the most qualified individuals choose the person that the majority of individuals of their state want as president. This is also seen in other US Governmental areas i.e. the Senate. As at the end of Hamilton's statement I've quoted, the Founding Fathers were disgusted and afraid of the "Tyranny by Majority" and so the Electoral College combats that.
Noted- There is the possibility that Electors (people who vote in the electoral college) can defect, which HAS happened, even in 2016, but nearly always the Electors stay true to their State's majority. In fact, in 2016, 7 electors defected, 2 from Donald Trump and 5 from Hillary Clinton, leaving Trump vs. Hillary at 304-207 thus a Trump landslide.

To add my own opinion, the electoral college is actually a better version of the popular vote, because it counts the popular vote for the entire states, showing that if a candidate gets more votes, they are actually more popular.

On Hillary's popular vote win- these votes came from the big cities in the US, which are almost all Democratic (Hillary's party), which tend to generate a lot of votes. The biggest contenders are notably New York City, Los Angeles, and Chicago, the three biggest cities in the US, which all had the Women's March, tons of "F_ck Trump" people, and notably government-dependent populaces. As noted by many pro-ECers, if we had no Electoral College, candidates would only campaign in the cities and forget about the rest of America.

You sir have earned probably my only 'like' in my history on Nationstates.

The stars in daylight, Novy husitsky, and Cland eastopia

Scorpions Army wrote:Seriously? Getting rid of the Electoral College is a terrible idea! Big Cities will determine the next president. The only reason this has come up is because Clinton lost.

Democrats didn't complain when Obama won, but when their candidate lost this time, they cry about it. Now, grow up children. The EC is here to stay, since it the only way to ensure a truly 'fair' elections

Big cities are thoroughly convince of their intellectual superiority. They know what's best for the entire country and those who disagree are country bumpkins or racists.

Czeckolutania, Binary, and Cland eastopia

Funktopia wrote:country bumpkins or racists.

Why not both?

Funktopia wrote:Big cities are thoroughly convince of their intellectual superiority. They know what's best for the entire country and those who disagree are country bumpkins or racists.

This country bumpkin thoroughly disagrees with that! Let's look at the House of Representatives. Illinois' 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th districts are all located in the City of Chicago and are all held by liberal Democrats. Not enough proof for y'all that big cities aren't real representatives of the entire country? Texas' 33rd and 30th are located in Dallas, and held by Democrats. Florida's 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, and 24th are in the Miami area, and held by Democrats. I could go on and on, to say that big cities represent the whole country is false. It is true that cities generally have a more diverse ethnic makeup, but not a diverse political makeup. Also, on a different note, to call people who disagree with you racist is an inflammatory and immature thing to do. I live in the country, but I am not a racist. I am a proud Republican, but I don't hate people who disagree with me. It's true that the vast majority of conservatives live in rural areas, but I'm not saying that all cities are politically biased, just that they don't accurately represent the wants or needs of the whole country.

Funktopia wrote:

Big cities are thoroughly convince of their intellectual superiority. They know what's best for the entire country and those who disagree are country bumpkins or racists.

I hope that's sarcasm

Cland eastopia

Novy husitsky wrote:I hope that's sarcasm

I'm pretty sure it is and if it's not I'm unliking.

Hello.

Fran-kin-fine wrote:Hello.

Welcome!

Fran-kin-fine

I'm late to the discussion but if the electoral college is abolished then voting for the the house of representatives needs to be based on total votes for each party. Instead of representatives being tied to districts they would vote their own minds. Basically you vote for a president and then a party.
The only thing tied to the states is senator seats.

Smallest

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