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Leruc wrote:That's fair. Perhaps saying 'I won't accept you complaining' was the wrong way to put it. You're free to express your opinion of course and I was trying to shut you down completely. It's more that,

It's okay no problem.

Leruc

Brasilia wrote:It's okay no problem.

Oh gosh I meant to say I wasn't trying to shut you down completely. Oops.

New china and north india and Brasilia

Theoretically, you may be right about refounding. However, if a region has a history of 10+ years including an active rmb, they may not want to give up on that.

Plus, there's the small but important fact that raiders live to intercept refounds. Thus, when you try to refound your region, you may lose it altogether.

Why should it be okay for some people to impose their way of playing NationStates on others? "If you don't like it just refound"?? How about leaving those people alone altogether.

Raiding (and for that matter defending) isn't even a proper game functionality. It's abusing a certain set of game features. In the case of raiding, it is done to impose ones will on others. I just don't think that's okay. But as long as Max Barry thinks it is, I'll be defending.

Spiritbw, The united tributational territories, New china and north india, Brandeis, and 4 othersEvil Dictators Happyland, Neutrality united, Alkasia, and New Fania

hello, and greetings to all, may the all mighty be with you

Well I'm new in the region so if anyone wants to make friends I'll leave my contacts here.

Gmail: adrianotfa@gmail.com
Facebook: www.facebook.com/adrianotfa

Just as the name of my nation may suggest I am Brazilian then English can sometimes be a problem. Anyway nice to meet everyone!

I play NS because I like politics since I was a kid. The policies that I will defend in this game are the same ones that I defend in real life. I do not believe much in the "political spectrum," if I had to define myself in one word it would be "democrat". For me Barack Obama was one of the best presidents of recent years and I am really concerned about the election of Donald Trump. Well...

I chose the region of 10000 Islands to stay because it is a democratic region, it is big that helps to carry out debates in a more analytical way, and influential enough to apply the changes that are necessary so that freedom is an ideology to be defended in that game.

I would like to end my presentation with a specific critical:

The game has invaders and defenders, Nazis and Communists, well that's not the problem, the mechanics of the game allows this. What we can not accept is organizations like Antifa or the Red Fleet invading various regions of the game in the name of "antifascism" and receiving the recommendation of the Security Council for this. Yes they have the right to play that way and we have the right to do nothing, but should we? And if we want to protect the regions of the game from the spread of radical communism? And if we do not accept North Korea invading regions in the name of "freedom"? And if TITO was not only 10000 Islands, but a union of all the regions that fight for freedom in the game? And if we adapt, improve, develop? We can change or do the same thing since 2003.

Anyway good game to all, and even knowing little I will help everyone in what I can. I am traveling but when I return home I will put my nation in the World Assembly and I will endorse all nations that share the same democratic ideal as the nation of Brasilia.

:)

Neutrality united and The peoples populace

Louisistan wrote:Why should it be okay for some people to impose their way of playing NationStates on others? "If you don't like it just refound"?? How about leaving those people alone altogether.

One could argue that Defenders seek to impose their way of playing on Raiders, but let's not go there. I agree that having Raiders leave people alone is the ideal outcome, but you must be able to see that you will never achieve that outcome, not with all the Defenders in the world. Raiders see themselves as this ridiculous, mighty military force, it's hilarious seeing them go on in chat, they're like children pretending to be soldiers. And if they want to play as soldiers that's fine, but they go on Raiding people because people treat them as a threat. They get the Security Council all riled up and people declaring this and that on the forums. The way I see it is, the only way to beat the Raiding Game, is to not play. Rather than fighting over regions (unless the natives want to play too) encourage them to refound with proper security. Losing the regional history does suck, true, but Raiding is hardly a new thing. Those regions who want nothing to do with Raiders should have protected themselves sooner, a consequence of not doing that, is now they'll have to do it later.
If you're interested in Defending because Defending is fun or rewarding in itself then whatever, you do what's fun. I'm not trying to cramp your style. But Defending is part of the Raiding Game, and you can't beat the game if you're still playing.

Neutrality united

Ialum-welhsches

Leruc wrote:You clearly have no idea what the resolution is going to do then. This resolution further disarms the General Assembly by, among other things; prohibiting the General Assembly from actively participating in any military conflict between nations, preventing the World Assembly from raising any group of Peace Keepers excluding the group presently being raised by this resolution, and prohibits members of this Peace Keeping force from carrying lethal weapons or using lethal force at all except in self defense. This resolution does not give the General Assembly teeth, it prevents the General Assembly FROM being given teeth. Which in my view is a good thing.

You say that disarm em, but in my opinion the General Assembly needs an stablished Peacekepeers, and even though I dislike as much as you do the part of not being allowed in the use of letal weapons, that can be ammended later, but this lack of an stablished forces, at least in my opinion, is disgusting, and even if they are only offering a mostly non-lethal and defensive ona, as I said, that can be be ammended later, and turn the Peacekepeers in a true peace keeping army

Louisistan wrote:Theoretically, you may be right about refounding. However, if a region has a history of 10+ years including an active rmb, they may not want to give up on that.
Plus, there's the small but important fact that raiders live to intercept refounds. Thus, when you try to refound your region, you may lose it altogether.
Why should it be okay for some people to impose their way of playing NationStates on others? "If you don't like it just refound"?? How about leaving those people alone altogether.
Raiding (and for that matter defending) isn't even a proper game functionality. It's abusing a certain set of game features. In the case of raiding, it is done to impose ones will on others. I just don't think that's okay. But as long as Max Barry thinks it is, I'll be defending.

Got to admit, I've never picked Max's brain on the subject. We talk about narratives, and game mechanics, and the player demographic, and goals of players, but the whole topic of raid/defend has never come up. Generally though, he seems the sort of guy that doesn't want to tell people what to do. He's a facilitator rather than a director. I figure as long as there are large groups of people who want to raid, he won't actively stop it, but at the same time it seems likely he'll maintain the technical aspects of the game that slow it down.

The united tributational territories

Louisistan wrote:Theoretically, you may be right about refounding. However, if a region has a history of 10+ years including an active rmb, they may not want to give up on that.
Plus, there's the small but important fact that raiders live to intercept refounds. Thus, when you try to refound your region, you may lose it altogether.
Why should it be okay for some people to impose their way of playing NationStates on others? "If you don't like it just refound"?? How about leaving those people alone altogether.
Raiding (and for that matter defending) isn't even a proper game functionality. It's abusing a certain set of game features. In the case of raiding, it is done to impose ones will on others. I just don't think that's okay. But as long as Max Barry thinks it is, I'll be defending.

You can't impose rules on a game like this. You are a nation and have every right to do whatever you want. Granted, bullying is bad, but everyone's going to come up with a new thing to do in this game. We don't have a Constitution/Bill of Rights, as long it's not to evil/destructive, I would say it's okay. This game is built on creativity.

Brasilia

Leruc wrote:One could argue that Defenders seek to impose their way of playing on Raiders, but let's not go there.

One COULD argue that, yes. But it would get shot down the moment somebody says "Wait, isn't defending entirely about preventing that from happening?"

Leruc wrote:I agree that having Raiders leave people alone is the ideal outcome,

You just contradicted yourself. But please, continue.

Leruc wrote: but you must be able to see that you will never achieve that outcome, not with all the Defenders in the world.

What did you mean by this? That because there are people opposing raiders, that outnumber them, they cannot be defeated?

Leruc wrote:Raiders see themselves as this ridiculous, mighty military force,

Not arguing with you there...

Leruc wrote: it's hilarious seeing them go on in chat, they're like children pretending to be soldiers.

That might be because that's exactly what most of them are.

Leruc wrote: And if they want to play as soldiers that's fine, but they go on Raiding people because people treat them as a threat.

Umm, dude, they ARE.

Leruc wrote: They get the Security Council all riled up and people declaring this and that on the forums. The way I see it is, the only way to beat the Raiding Game, is to not play.

In other words, if you're a sitting duck, you win? Riiight...

Leruc wrote: Rather than fighting over regions (unless the natives want to play too) encourage them to refound with proper security. Losing the regional history does suck, true, but Raiding is hardly a new thing.

Not new =/= good.

Leruc wrote: Those regions who want nothing to do with Raiders should have protected themselves sooner, a consequence of not doing that, is now they'll have to do it later.

Uhhh, what? Scan that statement. Did you just say "If you lose, it's OK, you deserved to?

Leruc wrote:If you're interested in Defending because Defending is fun or rewarding in itself then whatever, you do what's fun. I'm not trying to cramp your style. But Defending is part of the Raiding Game, and you can't beat the game if you're still playing.

You can't exactly beat the game by sitting and doing nothing, either. When you play NS, you play the game of raids. And when you play the game of raids, you win, or you die. Yes, defending is necessary. But it wouldn't be if raiding didn't exist, either! It's all a pointless mini-game about people using election fraud to inflict pain, however minor, on other peoples' lives, for no reason other than the fact that they can! This is the problem that I have with raiding. If it were an actual military mini-game, like in CyberNations or something, then I'd be fine. But it's not. It's basically using an exploit to screw up other peoples' gameplay, just because they can. And as a side note:

Leruc wrote:I'm not trying to cramp your style.

You just spent how long making a post to do precisely that.

Saunua and Brasilia

I am fairly new to this. I just started up yesterday, and I was wondering if anyone has any useful tips or knowledge for me to do well? I am very glad I joined 10000 Islands as well...

Anollasia, Evil Dictators Happyland, Neutrality united, and New Fania

Dixionit wrote:I am fairly new to this. I just started up yesterday, and I was wondering if anyone has any useful tips or knowledge for me to do well? I am very glad I joined 10000 Islands as well...

Welcome! 10K islands is a great choice for a home. We are all generally chill and have pretty active conversations on the Rmb board, we have a forum that has cool features but it's really hard to find active people(coming from a guy that just now trying to get into the forum scene). You should still check it out though.

Ok, advice time. Ns is all about choices. There is no "wrong" choice and whatever effects may come can be reversed through choice making. This site give the players the chance to see what it's like for real leaders making nation decisions. There is a lot packed in here and I'm still discovering new things in the system.

If you are interested in politics and such. There is the WA and WA forums(there are other forums too) where you can discuss issues that effect the whole of nation states

Hope you stay awhile

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:One COULD argue that, yes. But it would get shot down the moment somebody says "Wait, isn't defending entirely about preventing that from happening?"
You just contradicted yourself. But please, continue.
What did you mean by this? That because there are people opposing raiders, that outnumber them, they cannot be defeated?
Not arguing with you there...
That might be because that's exactly what most of them are.
Umm, dude, they ARE.
In other words, if you're a sitting duck, you win? Riiight...
Not new =/= good.
Uhhh, what? Scan that statement. Did you just say "If you lose, it's OK, you deserved to?
You can't exactly beat the game by sitting and doing nothing, either. When you play NS, you play the game of raids. And when you play the game of raids, you win, or you die. Yes, defending is necessary. But it wouldn't be if raiding didn't exist, either! It's all a pointless mini-game about people using election fraud to inflict pain, however minor, on other peoples' lives, for no reason other than the fact that they can! This is the problem that I have with raiding. If it were an actual military mini-game, like in CyberNations or something, then I'd be fine. But it's not. It's basically using an exploit to screw up other peoples' gameplay, just because they can. And as a side note:
You just spent how long making a post to do precisely that.

Dang it I was going to make a post detailing his argumental flaws. Then I read your post and now it seems pointless

Dixionit wrote:I am fairly new to this. I just started up yesterday, and I was wondering if anyone has any useful tips or knowledge for me to do well? I am very glad I joined 10000 Islands as well...

Step 1: Do whatever you want.
Step 2: Repeat step 1.

Anollasia, New Fania, and Brasilia

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Step 1: Do whatever you want.
Step 2: Repeat step 1.

Step 1.5: Send Anime Daisuki tacos.

Anollasia, The united tributational territories, Golgariswarm, and Alkasia

Anime daisuki wrote:Step 1.5: Send Anime Daisuki tacos.

(mails you a box of literal tacos)

Anollasia, Anime daisuki, The united tributational territories, Golgariswarm, and 2 othersAlkasia, and New Fania

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:(mails you a box of literal tacos)

The raiders steal that box;_;

A new defender is born

Best defender back story :P

Neutrality united

Dixionit wrote:I am fairly new to this. I just started up yesterday, and I was wondering if anyone has any useful tips or knowledge for me to do well? I am very glad I joined 10000 Islands as well...

Welcome to NationStates and thanks for choosing XKI. The only tip I can really give you is to run your nation the way you want to run your nation. Just have fun with NationStates, really.

Well, I just legalized polygamy.

Spiritbw and Neutrality united

Sooooooooooooo

How's that weather? Getting cooler?

Neutrality united

hello, can some nations endorce me so i can submit my WA perposal to the WA thanks :)

Pentagol wrote:Well, I just legalized polygamy.

Well, I may have just legalized incest and housepet marrying.
That issue is weird.

(Found a Korean character that looks like Gaster.
Since I have posted it, it must now be meme'd.)
(Side note: My spellcheck now recognizes "meme'd" as a word, even though I have never used it before, and it is not a real word. I suppose if an emoji can win Word of the Year...)

Steelers0525 wrote:hello, can some nations endorce me so i can submit my WA perposal to the WA thanks :)

;)

Pentagol wrote:Well, I just legalized polygamy.

Where in the world is there an issue for necrophillia

My undead are mad

Siuts, Evil Dictators Happyland, and Neutrality united

Thanks for endorcing me :) however I have another problem, I did not know that sending a telegram to all the delegates was a "mass telegram" and required stamps...

I wrote the telegram:

Hello %Nation%,

My new World Assembly Resolution has just been submitted and I was hoping that you could approve it. The resolution is called The Environmental Act. What it does is limit the mining and automotive industries in hope to bring the global Environment up.

You're probably asking why is the environment important?

The environment is important because with a terrible environment, your nation is more prone to “Super natural” disasters which are disasters which normally do not happen. For example acid rain. Disasters like this are dangerous to the citizens of your country, and the infrastructure within it.

You can view the proposal here:page=UN_proposal/council=1?start=5

Hopefully you take the time to read through my resolution and consider approving it.

Thanks Delegate %Nation%,
The Rubik’s Cube Solving Nation of Steelers0525

Does anyone have any suggestions to it, or a way to get around the stamp issue as I will not be able to buy any

Steelers0525 wrote:Thanks for endorcing me :) however I have another problem, I did not know that sending a telegram to all the delegates was a "mass telegram" and required stamps...
I wrote the telegram:
Hello %Nation%,
My new World Assembly Resolution has just been submitted and I was hoping that you could approve it. The resolution is called The Environmental Act. What it does is limit the mining and automotive industries in hope to bring the global Environment up.
You're probably asking why is the environment important?
The environment is important because with a terrible environment, your nation is more prone to “Super natural” disasters which are disasters which normally do not happen. For example acid rain. Disasters like this are dangerous to the citizens of your country, and the infrastructure within it.
You can view the proposal here:page=UN_proposal/council=1?start=5
Hopefully you take the time to read through my resolution and consider approving it.
Thanks Delegate %Nation%,
The Rubik’s Cube Solving Nation of Steelers0525
Does anyone have any suggestions to it, or a way to get around the stamp issue as I will not be able to buy any

Just send a regular telegram to all the WA delegates.
Sure, it'll take forever, but it'll work.

I swear, I have the worst luck with building my economy. Minorities want more representation on TV? Sure, why not--what do you mean my economy fell from developing to weak? gaahhh.

Siuts and Neutrality united

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