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Allouxia wrote:I imagine this playing in my head if I were to step foot in Thalasus
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yLVdYLaq8Gc

Depends where you land. That might be playing in San Salvacion, but in Farbanti it might be
https://youtu.be/EV95Yu6gZSY

Allouxia

Allouxia wrote:I imagine Allouxia by definition is a aristocracy (no longer hereditary with Autarch Allo having no family relation to former Autarch Elroy Lewis (ha! bust my balls on that Falbania). French Albania is more like a free trading democracy. Kinda like how China is officially a communist state but is very open to a free market.

Uh...no, not really. For one thing, China isn't exactly open to a free market; foreign investment is 'welcomed', but generally to the extent that they expose enough of the Chinese market to their stuff that it can be stolen and reproduced by a Chinese company, because IP laws are very, very lax. Sure, there's a fair amount of western stuff in China, the same as literally everything in most Western countries says 'made in China' on a tag somewhere, but the majority (not necessarily all, but a large part) of enterprises are state-linked, handed out to people with connections through guanxi (kind of like patronage, but not a perfect match), and so no it's not 'free market' but rather extremely protectionist. Free trade, yes, quite strongly so...but to a point, such as, for example, not free trade as far as the currency goes, but a peg maintained with very aggressive purchasing of the dollar to maintain its relationship relative to the yuan.

Secondly, French Albania is much, much, much closer to an aristocracy than you're describing. For one thing, what you're mentioning with regard to Allo and Lewis is a hereditary monarchy, which could still have democratic institutions underpinning it, such as in most of Europe prior to WWI (where strong, centralized monarchies at the very top were at least advised by democratically elected parliaments with the ability to pressure the monarch, and with control over certain areas of the state).
In contrast, I've mentioned time and time again the concept of 'aristocorps', which was the only way I could see a modern aristocracy functioning - taking the incredible wealth and influence the modern corporation has, and then slapping some noblesse oblige, family connections a la China (or the Rockefellers, I'm not picky), and internal dynastic politicking onto it. Essentially in French Albania, rather than excluding capitalists and the merchant class from the hereditary aristocracy (essentially ensuring its eventual downfall when they finally said 'hey we have a lot more money than these guys who are supposedly our betters'), they were instead actively encouraged to buy their way in, ensuring that 1) it never fell, and rather became stronger than ever; 2) there was a reasonably constant inflow of fresh blood, mitigating the inbreeding which was tragically common; 3) most crucially they had a source of internal competition that didn't weaken the state, but conversely strengthened it - competition through economic means comes in the form of productivity, competition through military means kills productivity by killing the producers. Moreover, the Makroleons have ruled for the better part of a century, since the collapse of the former Royal House of Couronne during the major flu epidemic in the early 1900s (which we still refuse to acknowledge as 'French Flu', no matter what you all may call it, it will forever be Dancerian flu, it came from the mainland, why are you blaming us). So there's definitely that hereditary element to it.
Tl;dr I put in a fair bit of work to make a semi-viable aristocratic semi-feudal society work in the modern era, please acknowledge, thank you.

Aside: Balticia, please pick one, are you Slavic or Prussian-Germanic, because you can't be both; Allouxia maybe the word you're looking for is 'predominant', as in 'when people think of German countries they think of Germany first and Austria second'.

Allouxia and Solaran Olympus

Testing!

French Albania wrote: Balticia, please pick one, are you Slavic or Prussian-Germanic, because you can't be both; Allouxia maybe the word you're looking for is 'predominant', as in 'when people think of German countries they think of Germany first and Austria second'.

Escanthea is Slavic so his culture would mix with my Prussian/Germanic culture over the cause of time therefor becoming a separate culture, like English was 3 German cultures ( Angles,Saxons,Jutes) , mixed with Latin, Gaul, and the native Britons, along with Scandinavian routes too, so a Slavic/Prussian culture for this would is nothing compared to that

French Albania wrote:Uh...no, not really. For one thing, China isn't exactly open to a free market; foreign investment is 'welcomed', but generally to the extent that they expose enough of the Chinese market to their stuff that it can be stolen and reproduced by a Chinese company, because IP laws are very, very lax. Sure, there's a fair amount of western stuff in China, the same as literally everything in most Western countries says 'made in China' on a tag somewhere, but the majority (not necessarily all, but a large part) of enterprises are state-linked, handed out to people with connections through guanxi (kind of like patronage, but not a perfect match), and so no it's not 'free market' but rather extremely protectionist. Free trade, yes, quite strongly so...but to a point, such as, for example, not free trade as far as the currency goes, but a peg maintained with very aggressive purchasing of the dollar to maintain its relationship relative to the yuan.

Secondly, French Albania is much, much, much closer to an aristocracy than you're describing. For one thing, what you're mentioning with regard to Allo and Lewis is a hereditary monarchy, which could still have democratic institutions underpinning it, such as in most of Europe prior to WWI (where strong, centralized monarchies at the very top were at least advised by democratically elected parliaments with the ability to pressure the monarch, and with control over certain areas of the state).
In contrast, I've mentioned time and time again the concept of 'aristocorps', which was the only way I could see a modern aristocracy functioning - taking the incredible wealth and influence the modern corporation has, and then slapping some noblesse oblige, family connections a la China (or the Rockefellers, I'm not picky), and internal dynastic politicking onto it. Essentially in French Albania, rather than excluding capitalists and the merchant class from the hereditary aristocracy (essentially ensuring its eventual downfall when they finally said 'hey we have a lot more money than these guys who are supposedly our betters'), they were instead actively encouraged to buy their way in, ensuring that 1) it never fell, and rather became stronger than ever; 2) there was a reasonably constant inflow of fresh blood, mitigating the inbreeding which was tragically common; 3) most crucially they had a source of internal competition that didn't weaken the state, but conversely strengthened it - competition through economic means comes in the form of productivity, competition through military means kills productivity by killing the producers. Moreover, the Makroleons have ruled for the better part of a century, since the collapse of the former Royal House of Couronne during the major flu epidemic in the early 1900s (which we still refuse to acknowledge as 'French Flu', no matter what you all may call it, it will forever be Dancerian flu, it came from the mainland, why are you blaming us). So there's definitely that hereditary element to it.
Tl;dr I put in a fair bit of work to make a semi-viable aristocratic semi-feudal society work in the modern era, please acknowledge, thank you.

Aside: Balticia, please pick one, are you Slavic or Prussian-Germanic, because you can't be both; Allouxia maybe the word you're looking for is 'predominant', as in 'when people think of German countries they think of Germany first and Austria second'.

The Ball Buster strikes agian.
Sorry French Albania I had to

Greater Balticia wrote:Escanthea is Slavic so his culture would mix with my Prussian/Germanic culture over the cause of time therefor becoming a separate culture, like English was 3 German cultures ( Angles,Saxons,Jutes) , mixed with Latin, Gaul, and the native Britons, along with Scandinavian routes too, so a Slavic/Prussian culture for this would is nothing compared to that

Very fair. But I asked because you said something about communists and Slavic (which are not necessarily related, I don't know what the history of Escanthea is but I don't think there was communism involved), and then talked about 'discipline' from a 'Germanic culture group', which is a weird and game-y term to slap onto it but w/e.

Allouxia wrote:The Ball Buster strikes again.

I mean, a good half of what I said was about my nation. And really it wasn't busting your chops so much as trying to explain 1) China and 2) the distinction between aristocracy (a hazily defined term at best but which is often related to monarchy as a supporting structure) and monarchy (also hazily defined because of the sheer multitude of ways it has manifested itself).
I will also clarify mostly so I don't seem like a reactionary monarchist loony: this is perhaps the form of political governance that I would least agree with, but it's one that I thought was a neat and fun contrast to the heavy-handed technocrats that defined my other nation during its RP, since rather than a unitary centralized state where everybody has the same direction for their policy goals, here infighting among vassals and factions thereof is a concern. Essentially I have the flexibility to be more erratic without necessarily needing a change of government.

Allouxia

What's the context for this poll? Baguettes and strudels are both great in different situations. For example, eating a baguette for breakfast would be boring, but I wouldn't want to dip a strudel in my soup.

Thalasus wrote:What's the context for this poll? Baguettes and strudels are both great in different situations. For example, eating a baguette for breakfast would be boring, but I wouldn't want to dip a strudel in my soup.

i think we're to assume that you can choose the context; if you were given the choice between having a baguette that you could do whatever with, or a strudel you could do whatever with, what would you choose
my concern is whether i must answer in character - i like strudels, but no true frenchman (honhonhon) would not choose the glorious baguette

French Albania where would our discussions be without you? Thalasus and The United Acarian Empires, what culture(s) do you try to make your people associate more

Thalasus wrote:oui.
avec optimisme, mon lycée et mon université m'ont préparé à parler français.


oh so now you use google translate

:( c'mon dude

Symboli wrote:oh so now you use google translate

I used google to find "hopefully". Everything else was me.

Everyone, I’ve come across an issue that resembles the one that the British face. I have an that my people excavated in my Museum of Antiquities, now the natives want it back. Any advice please?

Solaran Olympus wrote:French Albania where would our discussions be without you? Thalasus and The United Acarian Empires, what culture(s) do you try to make your people associate more

I describe my culture as Russianised Latin or Latinised Russian. But basically, my culture is also a mix of a lot of the European cultures. British culture is infused as well, with some French influence.

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