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It's fascinating, in the US you don't see these kinda of protests, or at least not until very recently. Most of our demonstrations like what you're describing about the G20 are typically met with LRADs and slander of riots and violence and etc. For a nation that is for "freedom of speech", it seems we fall very far behind you European counterparts.
Oh and I almost forgot, typically these protests are met with the utmost of police brutality (teargas and what have you). The G20 protests were met with police resistance, but I never saw anything like the police sending in armored trucks and using LRADs, tear gas, violence, and etc directly and immediately against the crowds.
Um, that's common practice here too, and especially the G20 was a prime example for police brutality. Not only tear gas, water cannons, extreme violence etc., but also psychological terror (they shut down all traffic in the whole city to hunt leftists, constantly circled over the sleeping camps with helicopters, raided them at night... they also stopped and detained buses full of minors, forced them to strip naked in front of each other and beat them...) ...and furthermore, most of the police violence was downright illegal. And nobody cares. Hamburg's police director (who is known for enforcing extreme violence even if it's illegal) just ignored both the law and court rulings, and the media as well as the Police Union celebrate him for breaking the law to protect order, "overruling the unwordliness of the courts" and suggesting the right to demonstrate should be abolished in the first place.
Coincidentially, a law was just passed that allows the state to use electronic footcuffs on "Gefährder" ("endangerers") and put them into prison without trial for unlimited time - thing is, "Gefährder" are not criminals, but people the police believes could one day become criminals - so they can basically put anyone into prison for as long as they want.
However, in what I am saying. You can actually organize enough to have such demonstrations in a nation where Right to Protest is actually very restricted (as in Nazi's cant protest and etc). Police brutality there is while terrible and unlawful and should be condemned, it is still expected since your laws are somewhat restricting. Here in the US, we have Right to protest, it's in our constitution that we can protest such things. However, with the exception of very few events (such as Women's march and etc), it is typically met with immediate police brutality. For example, if I were to walk down the street to the local Dunkin' Donuts and were to protest them based on health reasons (I worked at one, trust me you're likely to get the flu from there), I would be arrested virtually immediately. There's a difference between protests of which fight the very politicians themselves, like the G20 being met with resistance. But its an entirely different story when you have a constitutional right to protest, and any and all acts of protest not on a major scale are met with arrests and unlawful court hearings.
The German and international police forces obviously are going to be brutal towards socialists. There's such a stigma around it and you're going against the men who line their wallets. However, if you saw, the other parties protesting who weren't socialist, like the women's rights parties or the racial equality parties, they weren't met with nearly as much resistance. However, here in the US, unless it's designated as a parade, it's met with resistance. Protesting you rlocal McDonalds outside of the town hall meeting rooms is met with arrests, standing outside public buildings organizing as protests are met with arrests, marches through the streets with otherwise unapproved (by the local govt) action is met with "Crowd dispersing instruments." Sitting in a town park rallying for your cause without paying the park or getting permission is met with arrests and fines. Celebrating sports games and cheering for one's team is met with crowd dispersing instruments, petitioning against things in your local government without signed approval from the town hall, which you are petitioning against, is met with harassment charges and arrest. organizing in areas the Federal government disapproves of is met with arrest. Demonstrations at schools are met with immediate and swift police action. Crowdfunding something that fights against the US govt is often suppressed. Media that promotes socialism is usually suppressed. LGBT rights movements, despite gay marriage being "legal" nationwide, are often met with police brutality, the media coverage is then suppressed (mostly in the south). Race equality movements are often slandered by the police for being "violent" when there was no actual violence by anyone except the police. Self defense is no longer an excuse in this country, no matter what a cop does to you, if you fight back verbally or physically outside of a courtroom, you go to jail. If you protest in national parks, you're arrested. If you protest a pipeline being built on your government sanctioned land, you're arrested, shot, shot with rubber bullets, have LRADs used against you, have cold water in freezing temperatures sprayed on you all times of day, ave barbed wire put between you and your house and grocery store to starve you, beaten in some cases to death by police, have the national guard come and use tear gas on you, and so much more defending something that was unlawful from the start. I could go on and on about police brutality in this nation. You were able to assemble outdoors, and succeeded in not being fully dispersed by the end of the rally. Here in the US, that virtually never occurs. The DSA, CPUSA, APL, and RevCom all have to fight from within closed doors. RevCom held an "Anti-Fourth of July Picnic" in Central Park, and many were temporarily arrested, and many were my friends in the party. They weren't even protesting anything. They were assembling to support communism in a park lawfully given to them for their discretion. They weren't lobbying against politicians in the G20, they weren't standing around with megaphones shouting up at political buildings. They were having lunch in a PUBLIC park and discussing communsim within themselves, and got dispersed and arrested (temporarily) for "unlawful assembly" WHICH BY ITSELF IS AN UNLAWFUL CHARGE, IT VIOLATES OUR CONSTITUTION.
I did not try to imply you weren't met with severe police brutality, I was rather tryingn to imply that many other groups besides your own were able to peacefully protest the G20, which is something that is seldom here. My apologies if it came off like I was saying that Germany is police-brutality free, that was not my intention. I was saying how even though your rights to protest are very different, and far more restricting than ours are supposed to be, you can demonstrate and organize in ways US parties and groups can only dream of.
Granted none of what I said applies to Neo-Nazi or KKK rallies, or otherwise heavily [socially] conservative rallies. Those are left untouched.
I didn't think you wanted to imply that, I just think you make some false assumptions about how the judicial situation is around here. :)
We also have a constitutional right to demonstrate, however any assembly has to be approved by the authorities beforehand. If a bunch of people assemble "appearing as a single mass" without getting official permission (so that the police can "protect the right to demonstrate", which is the most bitter sarcasm), it's technically illegal, though it's obviously only met with police action like you describe it if it is political. Generally, police brutality is not nearly as worse here as it is in the US, that's true, but the repressions you describe are the same, and open violence is on the rise again, which is worrying.
I think the main difference between the US and Germany in that regard is that we've had a police state since the 70s, which means things have been relaxed since then, while the US only started theirs after 9/11.
Hvalfyurden, Terricon, and Soviet polsol
Sorry about my double messages, I know they can be bothersome. But I would also like to point out, the US has been an incredibly brutal police state for much longer than September 2001. 9/11 only changed our privacy laws essentially, otherwise the police brutality has remained unchanged. Look at the 1960s civil rights protests, or the periods of martial law, or the prohibition police raids in the 1920s. The US has virtually always been a police state since formal police departments were founded. Sadly though, much of the world is only now realizing our police issues. This is only due to a change in media coverage of it, but it has always been there.
Well, yes. All capitalist states are police states since they have a monopoly on violence to protect, but what I meant was that it got organized - Germany also always had police brutality in that extent, what changed in the 70s was that the federal police got more authority over the state police forces, the whole infrastructure got centralized and privacy laws were restricted. So, they switched from regular everyday oppression (as violent as that can be) to full 1984.
Post self-deleted by Soviet polsol.
Yeah, what shall I say? Trump is not afraid to hurt the feelings of others. And that's a very sad thing. Compassion and acceptance is what's needed, but instead Trump brings anger and division.
On a more positive note, the Dutch Railways have decided to abandon the traditional greeting "Dames en heren" (Ladies and gentlemen). Instead, they'll start to use the gender neutral "Beste reizigers" (Dear travellers) from December on.
Bratislavskaya, Hvalfyurden, and Eulenberg
To hell with the old world order!
Hvalfyurden, Soviet polsol, and Eulenberg
If you see the Trout Fishing, me is of highest...
What is everyone's opinion of the Democratic-Socialist Party? To me they seem very spread out and too disorganized to get anything done. They have branches in almost every city, but these branches aren't endorsed or created by the central DSA, there are hundreds of Twitter profiles claiming to be DSA, the YDS has no central hub either. There is hardly any elected leaders, leaders per meeting is essentially favoritism of the various tiny sects of the party, their convention was hardly announced (I know, I follow most of the DSA profiles on twitter). They have these random pages that express the "goals" of the DSA, but no set agenda to follow besides "Socialism." They do these local things within the community to help, but yet don't act within their local governments to enact change, or fund nationwide charitable actions like food drives and such. They waste time fighting the Republicans and the Democrats, but don't take the time to actually fight racism and homophobia in most areas. Many members are transphobic, racist, and "alt-left" if you will. They don't partner with, endorse, or etc any other communist or socialist parties besides their own. They call for unity and socialism, but yet cannot even operate themselves as such.
hello
Uhh.. is this region even still alive? i hope its alive
No telegrams regarding the Regional Map for months, and as soon as I am inactive for a week (I've been at a LARP Con, sorry for not notifying you all), there are plenty of them?
Serksis federation, Hvalfyurden, and Soviet polsol
Privet :)
Arise, ye workers from your slumber,
Arise, ye prisoners of want.
For reason in revolt now thunders,
and at last ends the age of cant!
Away with all your superstitions,
Servile masses, arise, arise!
We'll change henceforth the old tradition,
And spurn the dust to win the prize!
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
The Internationale
Unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally,
And the last fight let us face.
The Internationale
Unites the human race.
Mutant wasteland, Soviet polsol, Pearl empire communist socialist capital, and Mastrinia
Hello everyone, I look forward to chilling here :)
Hvalfyurden and Pearl empire communist socialist capital
Workers of the worlds, unite
Ay. New here. Left the Communist Bloc since a number of them like Leftopol were being reactionary Anti-Communists. Hope to chill here with good comrades. :)
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