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Shidei wrote:

That's a bit of an odd takeaway, considering I specifically mentioned Iran as being worse I have many things to say about places like those and suggestions for what should happen to their various flavors of "morality police". Those countries should be taken as a warning for what happens when there isn't analysis and interpretation of religion to fit within the current age (you can even see this in "recent" terms after 1979 when Iran regressed to an oppressive hardline theocracy, or even more recently with the Taliban in Afghanistan treating women arguably worse than anywhere else on the entire planet). But Islam was not relevant to what I was responding to, which was the statement from Wellsia that I read as him saying Christianity was on the decline because it was trying to be too accommodating. You've fallen into the trap of assuming being against one thing means support of another.

I do support religion, despite how it may come off at times. But more importantly than that I support the notion that it is a deeply personal and private thing that should not be weaponized against anyone male, female, believer, nonbeliever, whatever. It's a shame that in many places it's on the decline, but the burden should be placed on and carried out by the faithful to ensure the correct messages are being followed and spread and to be accepting of people who are not interested in following those rules. When you have a very loud minority of people using it to oppress others, it's understandable why people are shying away from it even if the majority of followers do not behave that way

For Christianity, I think it’s not about religions changing. I think it’s about everyone getting the choice of following a religion or not. I don’t think people should be forced to follow any religion, I just think they should be properly informed. I don’t think people should be made compromise on their religious values in the pursuit of “inclusivity” so long as their values aren’t physically harming anyone.

Yursea wrote:

hawk tuah

moments like these i wish there was a dislike button

Yektov wrote:

moments like these i wish there was a dislike button

I fart in your general direction

Yursea wrote:

I fart in your general direction

i place upon you a curse of warts, measles, and boils. this curse shall last till the end of time

Holy Karenland wrote:

Okay then fine, let’s use an example I’m sure many people here support. Send a gay guy to hamas, and I tell you, he’s not going to have a good time.

Send a gay guy to Christian extremists and I tell you, he's not going to have a good time.

What do you mean that a lot of religious extremists dislike or outright hate lgbt folks, whaaaat?

Reann wrote:

Wouldn't say that Lebanon was somehow corrupted by Iran, considering the post-independence history of the country and the 1958 crisis, alongside the civil war of course.
Iran has just been able to use the situation there to foster the Hesbollah and its aligned forces.

Late, but even Iran was pretty nice and on the way to be a Turkey-esque secular nation back in the 1970s before the extremists took over (of course the monarchy had its own issues, but they were certainly not the Islamic hardliners of today)

Is it just me or has this conversation been going on for at least a week?

Holy Karenland wrote:

For Christianity, I think it’s not about religions changing. I think it’s about everyone getting the choice of following a religion or not. I don’t think people should be forced to follow any religion, I just think they should be properly informed. I don’t think people should be made compromise on their religious values in the pursuit of “inclusivity” so long as their values aren’t physically harming anyone.

I mean if we go along these lines then I would believe that you aren’t going to heaven as Catholicism is the only correct interpretation of the Bible. We are the church built upon the rock. But I think that it’s okay to become more inclusive, that’s why I think you’ll make it. The whole point of Christ is to be loving. To be kind. To be helpful. We should be inclusive of all peoples and at the end of the day I truly believe that all will find heaven. Personally I don’t even believe in hell. God is all loving and hell is not a part of the Bible

Aizcona wrote:

Catholicism is the only correct interpretation of the Bible

There is a certain Norwegian on the server who mostlikely would disagree with you here.

Great Altera wrote:

Hezbollah and the removal/murder of Christian communities; forcing their exile into the West. Like Iranians, many Lebonese fled the now Islamic dominant government.

Yes. While I do agree with the fact that Hezbollah was obviously inspired by the Iranian revolution and by vilayat-e-faqih ideology, as well as funded from the start by the Iranian regime, the basis for the movement is very much tied with the religious situation in Lebanon and with the geopolitics surrounding the Lebanese civil war, especially because of the Israeli invasion of South Lebanon. Especially as the south is primarily shi'ite and they have had a history of relative under-representation (debatable but heard this a lot) compared to the maronite and sunni communities.

Additionally and I should have pointed this out earlier, my main point was also to do with the notion that the whole of Lebanon was corrupted by Iran. As the maronites and sunnis still wield a lot of power, my view is more that the Iranian regime has managed to make the shi'ite population more extreme. Which you could argue has made the whole power structure more radicalized.

Hell even parts (although afaik minor) of the sunni population there even welcomed ISIS.

Whole country is a mess sadly.

Reann wrote:

There is a certain Norwegian on the server who mostlikely would disagree with you here.

Seg be doing good work out there