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Segentova wrote:Boston is removing a statue of Abraham Lincoln freeing a slave.... because reasons. I'm honestly done with society.... this is peak clown-world.

In this specific instance, I kind of get it due to imagery associated with it. The statue had a slave bowing down to Lincoln. Perhaps removing the slave or repositioning would be better than downright removal, however

Athara magarat wrote:Wait, wait, wait. Kanye West running for US President is not a joke?

I’ve heard there may be some alternate motives, but that’s just pure speculation.

Visois wrote:Our two options are a babbling idiot with a twitter addiction and a dementia ridden old man who can’t keep his hands to himself for five minutes.

I miss having actual candidates

I’m personally voting third party

Santiland repubilc

Athara magarat wrote:Wait, wait, wait. Kanye West running for US President is not a joke?

He announced the campaign but hasn’t filed with the FEC, and its past the filing deadline in many states to be on the ballot as an independent. So probably is a joke.

Guys guys guys guys, I would take a bag of peanuts over Trump at this point. This bag of peanuts though knows what he’s doing and has been in politics for decades. I think that’s what we need at this point. He’s had some slip ups and maybe put a hand on some odd places but he is miles better than the current POTUS haha

Remodio, Athara magarat, Keomora, Santiland repubilc, and 2 othersSan Montagna, and Dothrakia

Santiland repubilc wrote:He announced the campaign but hasn’t filed with the FEC, and its past the filing deadline in many states to be on the ballot as an independent. So probably is a joke.

A nice little sidenote for his Wikipedia page

Santiland repubilc

Athara magarat wrote:I smell a rivalry here

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Well they will be shooting at each other haha

Athara magarat

Aizcona wrote:Guys guys guys guys, I would take a bag of peanuts over Trump at this point. This bag of peanuts though knows what he’s doing and has been in politics for decades. I think that’s what we need at this point. He’s had some slip ups and maybe put a hand on some odd places but he is miles better than the current POTUS haha

That’s fair, but that bag of peanuts doesn’t have nearly as much similarities in views as 3rd party candidates and I refuse to vote based on the lesser of two evils mentality, so I’ll just vote on who I think would be best for the country 🤷‍♂️

Remodio wrote:That’s fair, but that bag of peanuts doesn’t have nearly as much similarities in views as 3rd party candidates and I refuse to vote based on the lesser of two evils mentality, so I’ll just vote on who I think would be best for the country 🤷‍♂️

My dude, I get that view point. But for this one election, I think the one evil is too much not to go for lesser of two evils. I’m all down for the libertarians (Wish they wouldn’t run joke candidates) but for reals, Trump is a clown, who is spiraling out of control and alienating everything. His base is a collection of traitors and honestly I would be down for sweeping them off this mortal coil

Aizcona wrote:My dude, I get that view point. But for this one election, I think the one evil is too much not to go for lesser of two evils. I’m all down for the libertarians (Wish they wouldn’t run joke candidates) but for reals, Trump is a clown, who is spiraling out of control and alienating everything. His base is a collection of traitors and honestly I would be down for sweeping them off this mortal coil

I’m not go going with JoJo, haha, I’m more of a Hawkins guy
The thing is, Biden has a HUGE lead so this is more of a statement vote. He’s even leading in Texas in some polls. So I figured that since my vote doesn’t matter anyways then what’s the huge deal? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aizcona wrote:My dude, I get that view point. But for this one election, I think the one evil is too much not to go for lesser of two evils. I’m all down for the libertarians (Wish they wouldn’t run joke candidates) but for reals, Trump is a clown, who is spiraling out of control and alienating everything. His base is a collection of traitors and honestly I would be down for sweeping them off this mortal coil

I understand not liking the man but wishing death upon those who disagree with you is extreme and doesn’t make the point you’re making very attractive.

Visois wrote:I understand not liking the man but wishing death upon those who disagree with you is extreme and doesn’t make the point you’re making very attractive.

Naw I wouldn’t actually want that, that’s a bit much. It can’t be understated that I think their lack of moral compass is awful though.

Remodio wrote:I’m not go going with JoJo, haha, I’m more of a Hawkins guy
The thing is, Biden has a HUGE lead so this is more of a statement vote. He’s even leading in Texas in some polls. So I figured that since my vote doesn’t matter anyways then what’s the huge deal? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Polls weren’t right last time

Remodio wrote:I’m personally voting third party

I’m not voting at all. I refuse to vote for trump but the democrats share none of the values I hold. Plus I live in a deep red states so my vote is meaningless anyways

Athara magarat

Aizcona wrote:Well they will be shooting at each other haha

Yeah. Right :)

I just got a dog elected to a seat in my assembly. Finally some good politicians

Remodio wrote:

The thing is, Biden has a HUGE lead so this is more of a statement vote. He’s even leading in Texas in some polls. So I figured that since my vote doesn’t matter anyways then what’s the huge deal? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That's a very bad mentality to have. If you don't vote for the candidate in the lead, you're reducing the lead they have. Imagine if millions of people do the same thing. Suddenly that lead disappears quickly

In this election, a vote for anything but Biden (assuming he gets the nomination) is a vote for Trump and the current status quo of the Trump administration destroying what actually makes America great

Shidei wrote:That's a very bad mentality to have. If you don't vote for the candidate in the lead, you're reducing the lead they have. Imagine if millions of people do the same thing. Suddenly that lead disappears quickly

In this election, a vote for anything but Biden (assuming he gets the nomination) is a vote for Trump and the current status quo of the Trump administration destroying what actually makes America great

Is it really a democracy if I have to vote for the guy I don’t want just to get the other guy I don’t want out of office? I think that’s a worse mentality. My mentality is to vote for the guy who I DO want because that’s how democracy should work

Visois

Shidei wrote:That's a very bad mentality to have. If you don't vote for the candidate in the lead, you're reducing the lead they have. Imagine if millions of people do the same thing. Suddenly that lead disappears quickly

In this election, a vote for anything but Biden (assuming he gets the nomination) is a vote for Trump and the current status quo of the Trump administration destroying what actually makes America great

if millions of others would do the same, we wouldn’t be in a two party system and we could get some better candidates

Visois wrote:if millions of others would do the same, we wouldn’t be in a two party system and we could get some better candidates

What else is there in this rigged state? Gary Johnson? Dude couldn't find his way out of a paper bag with a hole on each side.

Rhenvaar wrote:What else is there in this rigged state? Gary Johnson? Dude couldn't find his way out of a paper bag with a hole on each side.

I don’t know anyone cause the libertarian party is too small lmao

I wish it got more attention so that more people would know about it therefor more would run. Though if it got 5% of the popular vote it would be eligible for public funding

Visois wrote:I don’t know anyone cause the libertarian party is too small lmao

I wish it got more attention so that more people would know about it therefor more would run. Though if it got 5% of the popular vote it would be eligible for public funding

Theres also Howie Hawkins of the Green Party.

Remodio wrote:My mentality is to vote for the guy who I DO want because that’s how democracy should work

Visois wrote:if millions of others would do the same, we wouldn’t be in a two party system and we could get some better candidates

The central issue with both of these counterpoints is that the problem doesn't lie in any individual choices, but with the structure inherent in First Past the Post voting. It, by nature, results in a consolidation of parties, as any vote that doesn't realistically oppose the worst possible option is, mathematically, equivalent to a vote for the worst possible option (this applies both to votes for third parties and choosing not to vote). If your own views match up with the most realistic opposition, then great, otherwise you're shafted and need to vote for the lesser of two evils.

In order to realistically pursue a policy of voting for one's preferred candidate, rather than against a candidate that one strongly opposes, then the system needs to change to one that allows for more granularity (Which requires that the government, primarily occupied by the two major parties, both of which benefit from FPtP, initiates this agenda. Good Luck), or... emigrate to a place that already has such a system. If possible. And it's kind of fûcked up that the latter option is probably more attainable on an individual basis.

It might be how democracy should work, but it's certainly not how it works here. You vote against the opposition, or concede your vote to said opposition.

Linaviar wrote:The central issue with both of these counterpoints is that the problem doesn't lie in any individual choices, but with the structure inherent in First Past the Post voting. It, by nature, results in a consolidation of parties, as any vote that doesn't realistically oppose the worst possible option is, mathematically, equivalent to a vote for the worst possible option (this applies both to votes for third parties and choosing not to vote). If your own views match up with the most realistic opposition, then great, otherwise you're shafted and need to vote for the lesser of two evils.

In order to realistically pursue a policy of voting for one's preferred candidate, rather than against a candidate that one strongly opposes, then the system needs to change to one that allows for more granularity (Which requires that the government, primarily occupied by the two major parties, both of which benefit from FPtP, initiates this agenda. Good Luck), or... emigrate to a place that already has such a system. If possible. And it's kind of fûcked up that the latter option is probably more attainable on an individual basis.

It might be how democracy should work, but it's certainly not how it works here. You vote against the opposition, or concede your vote to said opposition.

But why does it have to be like that? Politics isnt just black and white, as the Republicans and Democrats would describe it. Why no variations on the two sides of the issue?

Remodio wrote:That’s fair, but that bag of peanuts doesn’t have nearly as much similarities in views as 3rd party candidates and I refuse to vote based on the lesser of two evils mentality, so I’ll just vote on who I think would be best for the country 🤷‍♂️

As long as you aren't in a swing state go for it

Dothrakia wrote:As long as you aren't in a swing state go for it

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