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The Selkie wrote:Well-Building. Friedmission. Dyke inspection. Warteräume für werdende Mütter.

something room for something mothers

Waiting rooms? For...pregnant mothers?

Also, why are they inspecting lesbians?

The Selkie wrote:Well-Building. Friedmission. Dyke inspection. Warteräume für werdende Mütter.
Yep, they can do a lot of things!
Among others, not understanding, that the Army is not a workplace like standing at the belt at VW.

With all due respect Selks, can you translate the second and fourth words please?
Also, last news from France: all beaches will be closed, and in Paris, the Seine banks will be closed as well.

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:[angry regionalist/"state's rights" noises]

#ShowStatesMoreLove?

And yeah, the Bundeswehr can do a lot of good jobs - unfortunately not the ones it would normally be supposed to.

Astares Amauricanum wrote:With all due respect Selks, can you translate the second and fourth words please?
Also, last news from France: all beaches will be closed, and in Paris, the Seine banks will be closed as well.

Friedmission = peacekeeping mission.
Warteraum für werdende Mütter = waiting room for pregnant women/'becoming mothers'.

tbh with how you all describe the bundeswehr I'm surprised they haven't resorted to having paratroopers just hold onto the wings of aircraft and then dropping them over deep snow at low altitude.

Lillorainen wrote:Friedmission = peacekeeping mission.
Warteraum für werdende Mütter = waiting room for pregnant women/'becoming mothers'.

I mean, peacekeeping missions are basically 'drive around, get rocks thrown at you', right? Still counts as combat.

I'll admit, seeing you guys having such hard words about the Bundes makes me reconsider the problems we have with our own Army in France.
Just to ask, is the bundeswehr involved abroad in any type of mission?

Astares Amauricanum wrote:I'll admit, seeing you guys having such hard words about the Bundes makes me reconsider the problems we have with our own Army in France.
Just to ask, is the bundeswehr involved abroad in any type of mission?

They deployed in Iraq, I think. Not sure about anything else.

EDIT: There's a bunch of them in Afghanistan.

In addition, apparently, Germany has as of 2015 begun to actually spend money on defense. We may even see a competent Bundeswehr in our lifetime.

Astares Amauricanum wrote:With all due respect Selks, can you translate the second and fourth words please?
Also, last news from France: all beaches will be closed, and in Paris, the Seine banks will be closed as well.

PPC has the right idea about the last one: Waiting Rooms for Pregnant Mothers. In order to make the Army a more attractive employer for women (because quota), Flintenuschi (a derogatory nickname for then SecDef Ursula von der Leyen) began to reform the Army, including these rooms, which were supposed to give pregnant women (who weren't allowed to work anyway) a place to have a rest in peace. There were, according to rumours, mixed reactions to that.
"Friedmission", on the other hand, is a terms appearing in a documentary about the War in Afghanistan, where a Father of a soldier of Russian Descent (who, himself, has been in Afghanistan with the Red Army) tells the camera team of how his son always said Afghanistan was a "Friedmission", Friedensmission, Peace Mission and that there was no danger. Said father always countered, that there was war down there. The son was one of Germany's casualties. Since that documentary, this term, Friedmission, became a bit of a saying in some circles, critisizing the German Approach to such missions, for example the fact, the German Army was initially ill-prepared to be under attack by IED - or the fact, that we go on such missions in the first place. Though, to be fair, since 1955, the German Army trained for the Great Tank Battle in the North German Plain, for when the Ivan finally got his rear into gear, missions like in Afghanistan weren't on the radar.

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:I mean, peacekeeping missions are basically 'drive around, get rocks thrown at you', right? Still counts as combat.

It's quite literally this, yeah. As for the paratroopers ... now that you mention it, I'm surprised, too. ^^

Astares Amauricanum wrote:I'll admit, seeing you guys having such hard words about the Bundes makes me reconsider the problems we have with our own Army in France.
Just to ask, is the bundeswehr involved abroad in any type of mission?

They joined the mission on Afghanistan (and I'm sure, that the Americans know why it was considered prudent to send them into the Kundus, which used to be one of the more peaceful areas back then), and they also join UN missions in Africa every now and then. They were also involved in the Kosovo mission in the late 1990s.

The Selkie wrote:-snip-

why are pregnant women in the bundeswehr

what in god's name

Astares Amauricanum wrote:I'll admit, seeing you guys having such hard words about the Bundes makes me reconsider the problems we have with our own Army in France.
Just to ask, is the bundeswehr involved abroad in any type of mission?

Afghanistan, for one. Kosovo, Mali, Atalanta, the Mediterranean, we have guys in Iraq training the Kurds (which pisses of the Turks, so that's always a plus), a few others...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auslandseinsätze_der_Bundeswehr <- Overview in German.
And, by the way, PPC, Afghanistan is the largest foreign deployment of the German Army since the end of WW2.

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:why are pregnant women in the bundeswehr

what in god's name

Welcome to our world.

The Selkie wrote:PPC has the right idea about the last one: Waiting Rooms for Pregnant Mothers. In order to make the Army a more attractive employer for women (because quota), Flintenuschi (a derogatory nickname for then SecDef Ursula von der Leyen) began to reform the Army, including these rooms, which were supposed to give pregnant women (who weren't allowed to work anyway) a place to have a rest in peace. There were, according to rumours, mixed reactions to that.
"Friedmission", on the other hand, is a terms appearing in a documentary about the War in Afghanistan, where a Father of a soldier of Russian Descent (who, himself, has been in Afghanistan with the Red Army) tells the camera team of how his son always said Afghanistan was a "Friedmission", Friedensmission, Peace Mission and that there was no danger. Said father always countered, that there was war down there. The son was one of Germany's casualties. Since that documentary, this term, Friedmission, became a bit of a saying in some circles, critisizing the German Approach to such missions, for example the fact, the German Army was initially ill-prepared to be under attack by IED - or the fact, that we go on such missions in the first place. Though, to be fair, since 1955, the German Army trained for the Great Tank Battle in the North German Plain, for when the Ivan finally got his rear into gear, missions like in Afghanistan weren't on the radar.

I see Selks, thanks for clarifying that. I'll admit, personally, I would really love to see a more dynamic Bundeswehr. With that and our own French Army, people would really start to take European Defense for not an imagination anymore.

Astares Amauricanum wrote:I see Selks, thanks for clarifying that. I'll admit, personally, I would really love to see a more dynamic Bundeswehr. With that and our own French Army, people would really start to take European Defense for not an imagination anymore.

Europe always had a bit of mixed feelings about a militarily strong Germany, so... ya sure that's a good idea? ; )

The Selkie wrote:Afghanistan, for one. Kosovo, Mali, Atalanta, the Mediterranean, we have guys in Iraq training the Kurds (which pisses of the Turks, so that's always a plus), a few others...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auslandseinsätze_der_Bundeswehr <- Overview in German.
And, by the way, PPC, Afghanistan is the largest foreign deployment of the German Army since the end of WW2.

Yeah, I figured. 1/3 of all troops abroad, right?

Also, funny thing.

Turkey got kicked from the F-35 program for buying air-defense systems from Russia. I think it was the S-400.

The S-400 apparently cannot lock onto Russian planes. Guess which country Turkey just invaded, and what kind of planes they use.

Best part: Recently Erodogan was screaming for Patriot Missile Systems.

The Selkie wrote:Afghanistan, for one. Kosovo, Mali, Atalanta, the Mediterranean, we have guys in Iraq training the Kurds (which pisses of the Turks, so that's always a plus), a few others...
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auslandseinsätze_der_Bundeswehr <- Overview in German.
And, by the way, PPC, Afghanistan is the largest foreign deployment of the German Army since the end of WW2.

How much guys did you send there? In france, the number was around 6000 if I remember well.
BTW, no one wants to buy a few Rafale planes? (Product of France, made with love and tenderness. No, I'm not talking about cookies of the Mont St Michel, I'm talking about a multimillion fighter plane.)

Astares Amauricanum wrote:I see Selks, thanks for clarifying that. I'll admit, personally, I would really love to see a more dynamic Bundeswehr. With that and our own French Army, people would really start to take European Defense for not an imagination anymore.

Please buck up your militaries, us Amerimutts have so much military spending that the Pentagon once spent the surplus on developing dipping sauces.

The Selkie wrote:Europe always had a bit of mixed feelings about a militarily strong Germany, so... ya sure that's a good idea? ; )

As long as we keep the nukes, that would be good. Oh, and also the fact that if possible, we could reopen the Manufacture D'armes de St Etienne and continue produxing our own small arms.

Astares Amauricanum wrote:How much guys did you send there? In france, the number was around 6000 if I remember well.
BTW, no one wants to buy a few Rafale planes? (Product of France, made with love and tenderness. No, I'm not talking about cookies of the Mont St Michel, I'm talking about a multimillion fighter plane.)

IC, it's Gripen/F-16s for me.

OOC, I cry myself to sleep because of the fact that the F-20 isn't around.

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Please buck up your militaries, us Amerimutts have so much military spending that the Pentagon once spent the surplus on developing dipping sauces.

Indeed, although previsions for future military spending would maybe have France spend 295 Billions by 2025. Compared to the 32 Billions of now, that would be a good thing.

Astares Amauricanum wrote:How much guys did you send there? In france, the number was around 6000 if I remember well.
BTW, no one wants to buy a few Rafale planes? (Product of France, made with love and tenderness. No, I'm not talking about cookies of the Mont St Michel, I'm talking about a multimillion fighter plane.)

Because everyone wanting a serious fighter buys basically everywhere but Europe. We kind of lost the edge as of late...
And, looking at both Rafale and the Eurofighter, I'd rather take the cookies.
Though I did hear, that there is a new cooperation going on between France and Germany for a new plane. Something was there in the news a few months ago...

Astares Amauricanum wrote:Indeed, although previsions for future military spending would maybe have France spend 295 Billions by 2025. Compared to the 32 Billions of now, that would be a good thing.

I feel like cutting some of our military budget and keeping it as insurance in case someone tries to call us out for our massive debt might do some good.

Serious question; What's with the Typhoon hate? I haven't done my research into it, so I'm currently neutral.

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:Serious question; What's with the Typhoon hate? I haven't done my research into it, so I'm currently neutral.

Imagine a 4th generation fighter developed for a conflict, which never came, running overprice until there is no tomorrow, in a time, where defense spending wasn't en vogue anyway, and being put into service in 2003, when the first fifth generation fighters were already on the radar, so to speak.
Count in several procurement scandals (Austria sends its best regards) and general issues and, viola - the Typhoon Hate.
And Austria is planning to replace the Typhoon starting this year. Nice, innit?

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