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Lily pad nation wrote:It sounds like you just had trouble training them :/

Dogs can be a pile of love and good behavior if you try and figure out how they learn best!

Just because you're bad doesn't mean the dog is.

. . .

That sounds like a nonsense phrase Si-topia would use.

Quiescent, Si-topia, Lily pad nation, 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121, and 1 otherWest carlisten

West carlisten

Lily pad nation wrote:Just because cats are objectively better than dogs does not mean we should be unkind to dogs.

Yes we should. Dogs are awful little (or not so little and dangerous) terrors. Terrors that cannot survive being alone for five seconds, that need to bother you 25/8, that are utterly dirty... *shudders*

Auphelia wrote:To be clear: cats do not clean themselves. They smugly rub their own saliva all over themselves, and then use the same tongue they cleaned their genitals with to lick you.

If dogs are bombs, loud and energetic, cats are predator drones, because nowhere is safe and if they want to get you, they will get you.

You may have just gotten defective dogs. Also, dogs can and do feel love for humans, unlike cats, who literally change the way they speak to manipulate you into loving them more.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-11-11/is-there-any-scientific-evidence-that-your-dog-loves-you/8976256

I'm not on any one side here, it's just fun to argue.

Cats do have feelings too. They may be manipulative but that does not mean that they don't have feelings. Because I've seen cats actually miss people.
And I've seen dogs forget about people as soon as they were out of sight.

Lily pad nation wrote:It sounds like you just had trouble training them :/

Dogs can be a pile of love and good behavior if you try and figure out how they learn best!

There is no way to train dogs. They're too stupid to do anything but hurt you when you are nice enough to take the annoying, barking beast out for a walk. At least I can communicate with cats, dogs are too stupid for that.

Lily pad nation

West carlisten wrote:There is no way to train dogs. They're too stupid to do anything but hurt you when you are nice enough to take the annoying, barking beast out for a walk. At least I can communicate with cats, dogs are too stupid for that.

<.<
Have you owned a dog before? Like, I train all of my dogs to stay, sit, and come, and they’ve all been pretty obedient. It might be because I’ve only ever had one dog at a time, so it’s easier to be one on one.

Auphelia wrote:Just because you're bad doesn't mean the dog is.

Auphie, you weren’t supposed to see that, it was for someone else because

What I’ve been telling you is still true, but only for you: when you tell me to do something, and I inevitably fail, that means we’re both failures. So stop telling me to do things!

Quiescent, Si-topia, Auphelia, Yansu, and 1 other073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121

Lily pad nation wrote:It sounds like you just had trouble training them :/
Dogs can be a pile of love and good behavior if you try and figure out how they learn best!

We actually did train one to be bearable, and I still didn't like it and thought it was disgusting, but it was ignoreable, then the second dog came and was trained then just decided after fully demonstrating it knew what we wanted and how to do it that it didn't care and continued being even more disgusting, then it trained the other dog to be terrible too, and now I don't like either of them, I just wished when I got home each day I didn't have to see them and avoid them and could just have some peace.

Auphelia wrote:To be clear: cats do not clean themselves. They smugly rub their own saliva all over themselves, and then use the same tongue they cleaned their genitals with to lick you.
If dogs are bombs, loud and energetic, cats are predator drones, because nowhere is safe and if they want to get you, they will get you.

And yet dogs still manage to smell terrible and eat their own throw up and spread their filth everywhere. Also I don't like cats either mind you, they're just infinitely better than dogs.

Auphelia wrote:You may have just gotten defective dogs. Also, dogs can and do feel love for humans, unlike cats, who literally change the way they speak to manipulate you into loving them more.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2017-11-11/is-there-any-scientific-evidence-that-your-dog-loves-you/8976256
I'm not on any one side here, it's just fun to argue.

Eh, I still don't believe dogs are in anyway worthy of love, they're just animals, non-human animals can have emotions, but I won't care about those emotions.
...
Honestly I probably shouldn't be talking about dogs so much here, given how important they are to people who love them probably a lot of people are very annoyed with me right now for hating on them :p Sorry, I may hate dogs, but I love you ^-^

Quiescent, Auphelia, Yansu, Lily pad nation, and 1 otherWest carlisten

Lily pad nation wrote:What I’ve been telling you is still true, but only for you: when you tell me to do something, and I inevitably fail, that means we’re both failures. So stop telling me to do things!

I beg to differ.

The only thing I've failed at is failure, which I promptly succeeded at.

Besides, it's not my fault you didn't know how to perform open heart surgery after a quick game of Operation!, now is it?

Your failures belong to you, and you alone, unless you profit off of them, in which case I get a cut of the profits. It's all in the contract you signed after failing to read it.

Quiescent, Lily pad nation, 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121, and West carlisten

West carlisten

Lily pad nation wrote:<.<
Have you owned a dog before? Like, I train all of my dogs to stay, sit, and come, and they’ve all been pretty obedient. It might be because I’ve only ever had one dog at a time, so it’s easier to be one on one.Auphie, you weren’t supposed to see that, it was for someone else because

What I’ve been telling you is still true, but only for you: when you tell me to do something, and I inevitably fail, that means we’re both failures. So stop telling me to do things!

Thank God, no! I only had to take care of the beast for few days. Otherwise I would be in jail because of those silly German "animal protection laws" - it's legal for those beasts to torture me but not for me to torture and kill it back! Unbelievable!

Also, Auphelia is not a failure, you are.

073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 wrote:We actually did train one to be bearable, and I still didn't like it and thought it was disgusting, but it was ignoreable, then the second dog came and was trained then just decided after fully demonstrating it knew what we wanted and how to do it that it didn't care and continued being even more disgusting, then it trained the other dog to be terrible too, and now I don't like either of them, I just wished when I got home each day I didn't have to see them and avoid them and could just have some peace.
And yet dogs still manage to smell terrible and eat their own throw up and spread their filth everywhere. Also I don't like cats either mind you, they're just infinitely better than dogs.
Eh, I still don't believe dogs are in anyway worthy of love, they're just animals, non-human animals can have emotions, but I won't care about those emotions.
...
Honestly I probably shouldn't be talking about dogs so much here, given how important they are to people who love them probably a lot of people are very annoyed with me right now for hating on them :p Sorry, I may hate dogs, but I love you ^-^

It's not your fault when people can't handle the truth about dogs.

Auphelia

West carlisten wrote:Also, Auphelia is not a failure, you are.

Did you just imply the Pope was not Dope? >:c
That the Pad was Bad?
The Lily wasn't Silly?
The Frog wasn't Pog?
I'll have you know that I take that as a personal insult, frankly this means war.
I will take the side of the dogs if I have to so help me :p

Auphelia, Yansu, Lily pad nation, and Proctethia

West carlisten wrote:There is no way to train dogs. They're too stupid to do anything but hurt you when you are nice enough to take the annoying, barking beast out for a walk. At least I can communicate with cats, dogs are too stupid for that.

You just don't know how to train dogs. I literally trained one of the dogs at work to sit, stay, and walk with me when I told him to in less than an hour.

The Solar System Scope wrote:Mm... And then I am so picky too...
*huddles close*

I've got tons of stuff that needs done, but again I'm being lazy.

Back again (if you notice ;-;)

West carlisten

073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 wrote:Did you just imply the Pope was not Dope? >:c
That the Pad was Bad?
The Lily wasn't Silly?
The Frog wasn't Pog?
I'll have you know that I take that as a personal insult, frankly this means war.
I will take the side of the dogs if I have to so help me :p

Well, only when Lily fails to comply with Auphelia's orders.

Si-topia wrote:You just don't know how to train dogs. I literally trained one of the dogs at work to sit, stay, and walk with me when I told him to in less than an hour.
I've got tons of stuff that needs done, but again I'm being lazy.

I don't believe you. That beast has continued going to "dog school" and is still as stupid as ever. Whereas cats don't even need school! I think that alone shows how infinitely stupid dogs are and how smart cats are.

What nonsense is this?

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-approximately-64-2

Lily pad nation

073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 wrote:Did you just imply the Pope was not Dope? >:c
That the Pad was Bad?
The Lily wasn't Silly?
The Frog wasn't Pog?
I'll have you know that I take that as a personal insult, frankly this means war.
I will take the side of the dogs if I have to so help me :p

Well, I also very much said

Lily pad nation wrote:that means we’re both failures.

I for one embrace mediocrity

Si-topia wrote:I've got tons of stuff that needs done, but again I'm being lazy.

Yep, laze about is what I do most...

West carlisten wrote:I don't believe you. That beast has continued going to "dog school" and is still as stupid as ever. Whereas cats don't even need school! I think that alone shows how infinitely stupid dogs are and how smart cats are.

Dogs can shepherd sheep and cattle. Dogs can assist impaired individuals. Dogs can search and rescue for victims. Dogs can find dangerous substances and hunt criminals. Dogs can guard your property. Dogs can learn to distinguish human language.
Case in point, some makes of the model need more attention and care. You know, like humans.

Si-topia, Lily pad nation, and 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121

Lily pad nation wrote:I for one embrace mediocrity

An inquisitive Lily . . . imagine it.

I suppose you would have to be known as something else.

Perhaps . . . Snoop Frogg?

Quiescent, Lily pad nation, 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121, and West carlisten

The Solar System Scope wrote:Dogs can shepherd sheep and cattle. Dogs can assist impaired individuals. Dogs can search and rescue for victims. Dogs can find dangerous substances and hunt criminals. Dogs can guard your property. Dogs can learn to distinguish human language.
Case in point, some makes of the model need more attention and care. You know, like humans.

Pro Tip: Dogs can also identify cadavers and peoples scents and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but its been proven many times that dogs are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything ^-^

Okay actually I totally concede that dogs can be very useful to people and help them with lots of stuff like the things you listed and can also provide emotional support to people, I just still really have had only bad experiences with dogs and they make me sad, but if dogs make other people happy then that's great, because I love other people being happy~ I just thought that was a fun factoid about dogs used in court cases :p Honestly dna is misused a lot in trials too from what I've heard (I'm no expert on either of these things lol), I heard that the people analyzing dna samples a lot times don't really have full proof that it was in fact the person who touched that object because the object has been touched so many times or something but they just guess and estimate anyway and it's used in court and basically always convinces the jury even though it's not 100% legitimate.
Don't cry, craft.

The Solar System Scope, Quiescent, Si-topia, Auphelia, and 1 otherLily pad nation

West carlisten wrote:I don't believe you. That beast has continued going to "dog school" and is still as stupid as ever. Whereas cats don't even need school! I think that alone shows how infinitely stupid dogs are and how smart cats are.

Not all dogs need go to school, it all depends on the breed and how their owners allow them to behave.

The Solar System Scope wrote:Yep, laze about is what I do most...
Dogs can shepherd sheep and cattle. Dogs can assist impaired individuals. Dogs can search and rescue for victims. Dogs can find dangerous substances and hunt criminals. Dogs can guard your property. Dogs can learn to distinguish human language.
Case in point, some makes of the model need more attention and care. You know, like humans.

This ^^^
I'm not trying to say that dogs are in any way better than cats, but really dogs do a whole lot more than cats.

West carlisten

The Solar System Scope wrote:Yep, laze about is what I do most...
Dogs can shepherd sheep and cattle. Dogs can assist impaired individuals. Dogs can search and rescue for victims. Dogs can find dangerous substances and hunt criminals. Dogs can guard your property. Dogs can learn to distinguish human language.
Case in point, some makes of the model need more attention and care. You know, like humans.

I have not met a dog that could actually understand me or communicate with me. Why should I feed a creature that cannot even communcate what it is that it wants? Any human or cat (unless severely disabled) will be able to communicate that (without having to know my language) and I will be able to communicate things to them. With dogs, such communication is impossible because they're too stupid.

073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 wrote:Pro Tip: Dogs can also identify cadavers and peoples scents and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but its been proven many times that dogs are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything ^-^

The same thing could be said about witnesses.

Pro Tip: Witnesses can also identify criminals and people's identities and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but it has been proven many times that people are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything.

That's not a problem with your dogs, it's a problem with your legal system.

West carlisten

Auphelia wrote:The same thing could be said about witnesses.

Pro Tip: Witnesses can also identify criminals and people's identities and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but it has been proven many times that people are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything.

That's not a problem with your dogs, it's a problem with your legal system.

Solution: ban dogs. And people. Make cats the only admissible evidence.

Auphelia, Lily pad nation, and 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121

073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121 wrote:Pro Tip: Dogs can also identify cadavers and peoples scents and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but its been proven many times that dogs are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything ^-^

Okay actually I totally concede that dogs can be very useful to people and help them with lots of stuff like the things you listed and can also provide emotional support to people, I just still really have had only bad experiences with dogs and they make me sad, but if dogs make other people happy then that's great, because I love other people being happy~ I just thought that was a fun factoid about dogs used in court cases :p Honestly dna is misused a lot in trials too from what I've heard (I'm no expert on either of these things lol), I heard that the people analyzing dna samples a lot times don't really have full proof that it was in fact the person who touched that object because the object has been touched so many times or something but they just guess and estimate anyway and it's used in court and basically always convinces the jury even though it's not 100% legitimate.
Don't cry, craft.

The US sounds like a terrible place to live in anyway, and now you're telling me all this.
Most cases don't even go to court anyway. Stupid plea bargains...

Si-topia wrote:This ^^^
I'm not trying to say that dogs are in any way better than cats, but really dogs do a whole lot more than cats.

I got 3 upward arrows/circumflexes of approval/agreement? Wow! >w<

West carlisten wrote:I have not met a dog that could actually understand me or communicate with me. Why should I feed a creature that cannot even communcate what it is that it wants? Any human or cat (unless severely disabled) will be able to communicate that (without having to know my language) and I will be able to communicate things to them. With dogs, such communication is impossible because they're too stupid.

*whispers*
Maybe you're the stupid one.

Auphelia, Lily pad nation, and 073 039 109 032 080 111 112 112 121

Auphelia wrote:The same thing could be said about witnesses.
Pro Tip: Witnesses can also identify criminals and people's identities and be used in murder trials as evidence that people were certain places or that dead bodies of people were at certain places, but it has been proven many times that people are incredibly often wrong about these sorts of things, but that doesn't stop prosecutors from using them to put people in jail who didn't do anything. That's not a problem with your dogs, it's a problem with your legal system.

Pro Tip: I just realized that unless you people have watched the exact same things I have you won't get the 'pro tip' joke :p I tried to make it more obvious what I was referencing by editing in the 'don't cry, craft' but it probably still doesn't mean anything to 90% of the people here :p
Also I wasn't saying it was a problem with dogs necessarily, but more with the dog owners whose job it is to track down cadavers and the prosecutors who are using the dogs who don't understand or don't care that the dogs are wrong an incredible amount of the time about that because there are so many things that can smell in a way that confuses them.

The Solar System Scope wrote:*whispers*
Maybe you're the stupid one.

Let's not go that far >~>
Plenty of people have had terrible experiences with dogs and frankly it's very hard to appreciate them when you have so many personal reasons to dislike them.

The Solar System Scope, Auphelia, and West carlisten

West carlisten

The Solar System Scope wrote:The US sounds like a terrible place to live in anyway, and now you're telling me all this.
Most cases don't even go to court anyway. Stupid plea bargains...
I got 3 upward arrows/circumflexes of approval/agreement? Wow! >w<
*whispers*
Maybe you're the stupid one.

I did not do badly in school, can communicate in several languages and have absolutely no trouble communicating with cats.
Going by Ockham's razor, it would be dogs that are stupid.

What is happening.
*cronches popcorn*

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