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Meridaria wrote:

In Portugal, my home country, a far-right populist party has been formed and they are already in control of the courts and police. The leader of that party, André Ventura, speaks openly of abolishing the left-leaning constitution and creating an authoritarian dictatorship where LGBTQ+ people and minorities will be persecuted. Portugal was fascist until 1974 and they want to go back to it.

Just a few days ago a black citizen was shot in the street by a "chega" supporter, and the courts still have not indicted him.

Right now the two communist parties hold the balance of power, but a coup is already on the way with support from Europe :(

Sadly left-wingers in Portugal are so sedated that they don't even believe that this unconstitutional party should be banned, and they have allowed his supporters to take over the official Portugal region in nationstates...

My solidarity to the people of Bolivia, for i think very soon my own country will have the same fate :(

That's so sad to hear, comrade... I sometines wonder why are people so easy to convince that ideas like far-right populism are actually good and they end up not only supporting those ideas, they end up actually making a coup to overthrow the Government. It makes me feel weird and sad.

Greater Vietnam and Meridaria

Monitiopia wrote:Of course a revolution is what it should come from. It's just that from so much subtle propaganda nowadays, it seems so hard to convince people socialism is the right path and, therefore, start a revolution.

I do think socialist ideas are starting to become more palatable, and certainly something might come out of the eviction crisis, atleast here in America. It's an uphill battle for sure, though

Greater Vietnam, Cor cada, Red sanguina, The cybanis, and 2 othersKedeverat, and Monitiopia

Meridaria wrote:In Portugal, my home country, a far-right populist party has been formed and they are already in control of the courts and police. The leader of that party, André Ventura, speaks openly of abolishing the left-leaning constitution and creating an authoritarian dictatorship where LGBTQ+ people and minorities will be persecuted. Portugal was fascist until 1974 and they want to go back to it.

Just a few days ago a black citizen was shot in the street by a "chega" supporter, and the courts still have not indicted him.

Right now the two communist parties hold the balance of power, but a coup is already on the way with support from Europe :(

Sadly left-wingers in Portugal are so sedated that they don't even believe that this unconstitutional party should be banned, and they have allowed his supporters to take over the official Portugal region in nationstates...

My solidarity to the people of Bolivia, for i think very soon my own country will have the same fate :(

That is not true. The CHEGA party does not control neither the police or the courts. The leader of the party speaks about a new republic, but does not speak about a dictatorship. And the guy who killed a black citizen was not a support of chega. Also not true that any coup is on the way. Just search the news, and do not believe this lies.

Cor cada

Meridaria

Purtugal wrote:That is not true. The CHEGA party does not control neither the police or the courts. The leader of the party speaks about a new republic, but does not speak about a dictatorship. And the guy who killed a black citizen was not a support of chega. Also not true that any coup is on the way. Just search the news, and do not believe this lies.

:(

Why are you defending chega?!

And it is not fake news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-protests-racism/racism-kills-hundreds-protest-after-black-actor-shot-dead-in-lisbon-idUSKCN24W2X5

Another case: https://www.france24.com/en/20200129-portugal-far-right-deputy-calls-for-black-mp-to-be-sent-back

Ventura, leader of the far-right party Chega (Enough), hit back on Facebook, writing: "I propose that the deputy Joacine is herself sent back to her country of origin. It would be a lot better for everyone."

- He now is leading upwards in the polls, having surpassed the communists. The so called moderate right already stated they are going to form a coalition with him after the next election.

Another: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-on-strike/52689

There will also be a strike by the Zero Movement (MO), another group of PSP and GNR officers that was created in May 2019, which is also calling for wage and working conditions improvements.

- Movimento Zero is a neo-fascist police movement. In one protest they literally made neo-nazi salutes! - https://thumbs.web.sapo.io/?W=1200&H=627&delay_optim=1&tv=1&crop=center&epic=OWEwJnrIa6CTN6MBdYaazFXC+zL6iAteiQeYSs7LEMEwoUJEHNyT2gZdCzuVaYxAawATQoYFftk7x6h3Gd4MQOu21abH+NJEjVpWG1ZZBtSVVJI=&.jpg

Now i can see that there are right-wing trolls in Portugal de esquerda that hide as a left-wingers. Shame on you for trying to discredit the left instead of debating openly.

Greater Vietnam, Golinistan, Restart, Cor cada, and 3 othersBernieland republic, Tioguldos, and Kedeverat

Meridaria wrote::(

Why are you defending chega?!

And it is not fake news: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-portugal-protests-racism/racism-kills-hundreds-protest-after-black-actor-shot-dead-in-lisbon-idUSKCN24W2X5

Another case: https://www.france24.com/en/20200129-portugal-far-right-deputy-calls-for-black-mp-to-be-sent-back

Ventura, leader of the far-right party Chega (Enough), hit back on Facebook, writing: "I propose that the deputy Joacine is herself sent back to her country of origin. It would be a lot better for everyone."

- He now is leading upwards in the polls, having surpassed the communists. The so called moderate right already stated they are going to form a coalition with him after the next election.

Another: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-on-strike/52689

There will also be a strike by the Zero Movement (MO), another group of PSP and GNR officers that was created in May 2019, which is also calling for wage and working conditions improvements.

- Movimento Zero is a neo-fascist police movement. In one protest they literally made neo-nazi salutes! - https://thumbs.web.sapo.io/?W=1200&H=627&delay_optim=1&tv=1&crop=center&epic=OWEwJnrIa6CTN6MBdYaazFXC+zL6iAteiQeYSs7LEMEwoUJEHNyT2gZdCzuVaYxAawATQoYFftk7x6h3Gd4MQOu21abH+NJEjVpWG1ZZBtSVVJI=&.jpg

Now i can see that there are right-wing trolls in Portugal de esquerda that hide as a left-wingers. Shame on you for trying to discredit the left instead of debating openly.

I completly agree, and do not deny that the Chega are racists, but the first article doesn't say anything about the killer being a Chega member.

(I'm not Portuguese)

Alphonsia

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Greater Vietnam, Meridaria, Restart, Amosainta, and 2 othersTioguldos, and Monitiopia

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Monitiopia

Cor cada wrote:I completly agree, and do not deny that the Chega are racists, but the first article doesn't say anything about the killer being a Chega member.

(I'm not Portuguese)

That is true my friend, sorry about a confusing link. But it is well known he is a chega supporter, when the murderer was asked the reason for the murder he answered "in Africa i killed a lot more of them" (he fought in the colonial war), and the chega supporters cheered him on in the social networks as if he was a hero.

Sadly most Portuguese are racists, and are unable to recognise it.

Greater Vietnam, Cor cada, Alphonsia, and Monitiopia

Adrealf wrote:https://imgur.com/i3Cl4sy

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Congratulations :)

Monitiopia

آیا اینجا کسی هست که در زبان فارسی خوب صحبت میکند؟

Kaamapoori

Kaamapoori wrote:آیا اینجا کسی هست که در زبان فارسی خوب صحبت میکند؟

I am asking if someone can speak Persian here.

Greater Vietnam and Tioguldos

Socialism is pretty cool

Greater Vietnam, Restart, Cor cada, Kedeverat, and 1 otherMonitiopia

Eyo. I came across an issue about Jury duty. Does having a jury system work best than having a single judge? We don't have juries in my country so I wouldn't know. Only recent reference point I have is the Trial by Media documentary in Netflix which shows how easily swayed juries are in the US. What do you comrades think? What are your experiences with juries?

Meridaria and Monitiopia

Puhon wrote:Eyo. I came across an issue about Jury duty. Does having a jury system work best than having a single judge? We don't have juries in my country so I wouldn't know. Only recent reference point I have is the Trial by Media documentary in Netflix which shows how easily swayed juries are in the US. What do you comrades think? What are your experiences with juries?

Many results from NS issue’s options simply wouldn’t reflect real life counterparts of those issues.

You should use this instead: http://www.mwq.dds.nl/ns/results/

Kaamapoori, Puhon, and Monitiopia

Puhon wrote:Eyo. I came across an issue about Jury duty. Does having a jury system work best than having a single judge? We don't have juries in my country so I wouldn't know. Only recent reference point I have is the Trial by Media documentary in Netflix which shows how easily swayed juries are in the US. What do you comrades think? What are your experiences with juries?

Greater Vietnam is right. NS doesn't reflect real life stats and effects. Irrespective, jury trial, in essence, seem to me like trial by the public riddled with prejudice and biases. 12 Angry Men is a good reference. I have known of it mostly through TV adaptations of jury trials in the United States, such as the Central Park Jogger case and OJ Simpson case. Juries are not bound by precedents and I have watched gross neglect of circumstantial evidence, established principles of law, and presumption of innocence in those adaptations. The same was in our country when jury trial was still a colonial era residue, until the Courts abolished it.

Greater Vietnam, Meridaria, Puhon, Vladista, and 2 othersKedeverat, and Monitiopia

What do you think about bringing down statues and monuments? And by that i don't mean destroying them, but putting them in museums.

Example, in Portugal we have this: https://padraodosdescobrimentos.pt/en/monument-to-the-discoveries/

It was made during fascism (1926-1974) for an expo glorifying the Portuguese empire. That expo even had (not exaggerating) a human zoo with black people in it...

But when we leftists say that it should be brought down and placed in a museum, the racists come out hurling insults and then they beat you up in the streets with the police looking :(

Greater Vietnam, Golinistan, Cor cada, Alphonsia, and 1 otherKedeverat

https://www.convergenciamedios.cl/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ColonSinCabeza.jpg

Meridaria, Cor cada, and Alphonsia

Sorry i cant give you an english link, but today there was a KKK style parede in front of a major left-wing anti-racism group here in Portugal: https://observador.pt/2020/08/10/parada-a-kkk-manifestou-se-a-frente-do-sos-racismo-apresentada-queixa-no-ministerio-publico/

The right-wingers have formed a militia and are assaulting left-wing people. They carry torches just like the neo-fascists in the USA.

Democracy is collapsing in Portugal, a lot of black people and leftists now fear being lynched :(

Greater Vietnam, Golinistan, Cor cada, Alphonsia, and 2 othersTioguldos, and Kedeverat

Tioguldos wrote:https://www.convergenciamedios.cl/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/ColonSinCabeza.jpg

Finally. Our imperialist past is nothing to be proud of :)

Greater Vietnam and Tioguldos

Meridaria wrote:Sorry i cant give you an english link, but today there was a KKK style parede in front of a major left-wing anti-racism group here in Portugal: https://observador.pt/2020/08/10/parada-a-kkk-manifestou-se-a-frente-do-sos-racismo-apresentada-queixa-no-ministerio-publico/

The right-wingers have formed a militia and are assaulting left-wing people. They carry torches just like the neo-fascists in the USA.

Democracy is collapsing in Portugal, a lot of black people and leftists now fear being lynched :(

Democracy is not at risk in Portugal. I strongly recommend you people do not believe in the stuff this guy writes. It is fake news. The CHEGA Party only has 1 representative. It is a threat obviously, but the democracy is not at risk. I am a member of the Portuguese Communist Party. The PCP will never allow democracy to be at risk.

Greater Vietnam and Monitiopia

Meridaria

Purtugal wrote:Democracy is not at risk in Portugal. I strongly recommend you people do not believe in the stuff this guy writes. It is fake news. The CHEGA Party only has 1 representative. It is a threat obviously, but the democracy is not at risk. I am a member of the Portuguese Communist Party. The PCP will never allow democracy to be at risk.

Please ignore him comrades :(

I am aware you don't know Portuguese, but go and look at this guy's posts and he is a clear fake. His motto is "the only good fascist is a dead fascist" but is here defending fascists.

He also has no facts.

Here are some, Chega already has a lot more support since the last election and is growing in strength in the streets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Portuguese_legislative_election

The main right-wing party in Portugal, PSD, now supports the fascists: https://jornaleconomico.sapo.pt/en/news/miguel-albuquerque-supports-understanding-between-psd-and-arrives-and-discards-moderation-to-the-party-of-andre-ventura-622605

"The leader of the PSD of Madeira and president of the regional government believes that the rapprochement between the two parties can "defeat the left" and affirms that "anything that is coalition in the sense of defeating the left in Portugal is welcome"."

I don't know why they keep pursuing me (i asked him politely to leave me alone), but he is lying. He is not a member of the PCP nor is he a leftist. True leftists in Portugal are scared and protesting in the streets, something this guy's leader is arguing against: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/ventura-considers-demonstrations-a-national-shame/54453

Greater Vietnam and Alphonsia

Puhon wrote:Eyo. I came across an issue about Jury duty. Does having a jury system work best than having a single judge? We don't have juries in my country so I wouldn't know. Only recent reference point I have is the Trial by Media documentary in Netflix which shows how easily swayed juries are in the US. What do you comrades think? What are your experiences with juries?

There are no juries in Portugal. Judges have absolute power, a leftover from the old fascist regime, that's why our judicial system is so corrupt :(

In fact, Portugal is extremely corrupt because of capitalism: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/democraciaabierta/portugals-complacency-towards-corruption/

Greater Vietnam, Golinistan, Restart, Alphonsia, and 2 othersPuhon, and Monitiopia

Portugal and great britannia

Good Morning everyone,

My name is Portugal brasil and the algarves, this is only my puppet. I am from Portugal, the largest community of portuguese-speaking persons.

A friend of mine, that is Purtugal, has come to warn about Meridaria, and I come has well.
He is acussing people of "cyberbullying" when we don't make kind of those things. We only make jokes about one another. Yes, they even made about my personal RP, but that is only for fun. Now, he is speaking bad things about our country.

I strongly advise to not belive a single word of what he's saying. For good of our communities, do not belive him.

And, I have to go, so, have a good day,
Portugal brasil and the algarves

Purtugal and Portugal and great britannia, you are doing cyberbullying and pursuing me. I asked you to leave me alone, that's all.

You have no right to follow me everywhere i go just to bash me, accusing me of lies even when i provide sources (in english), which none of you do.

I ask for help from the comrades who run this region, because this really is too much.

Cool article - https://jacobinmag.com/2018/06/portugal-left-bloc-socialist-party-austerity

Some people think that the center-left are the solution, but they can only be the solution when pressured by the left-wing.

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