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Aye

Noting that the parentheses are no longer struck in the Amendment proposed by Snall, but aren't bold either, I assume this is an accidental mistake. Oherwise I agree with the Amendment, so I vote Aye.

I vote Aye.

(hey guys, I'm back!)

Aye

The vote passes 8-0. The House is now voting on the amended bill.

Author(s): Dendrobium
Sponsor(s): Dendrobium
Amended by: Snalland

Observing an obviously important yet easily unnoticed flaw in the current version of L.R.015;
Noting the importance of Thaecian citizenship in regards to participatng in the Thaecian political and judicial system;

Congress Hereby Agrees:

Expands upon Article I-The Bar Exam from L.R.015 Thaecian Bar Association Act to become the following:

Section I - The requirement for entry in the Thaecian Bar Association will be passing the Thaecian Bar Exam. The initial exam shall be created and administered by (either the Justice Ministry, High Court, or both), and it will consist of questions drawn from the constitution, legislative docket Law Registry, and basic government structure. Only nations currently holding Thaecian citizenship can be part of the Thaecian Bar Association.

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United cascadian peoples

Thaecia

Sorry y'all for the delay:

Hey y'all

So unfortunately not a post I want to make.
Due to some IRL obligations, I'm going to be resigning from the HoC and going a bit afk.
I really want to be present, but unfortunately work obligations and other non-fun stuff are taking up near all of my time.

As much as I want to be active, I don't think it's likely smart to overextend myself and burnout on everything all at once.

I'll likely stop back from time to time, but just genuinely need a break from Thaecia in order to focus on my mental health at the end of the day.

Love y'all and DM me if you need anything specific; I may be a little bit to respond though!

Cheers :CascadiaHeart:

Aye

The Speaker votes aye.

The bill passes by a vote of 7-0. The HoC is now debating the Senate's version of the Legal and Court Reform Committee Motion.

Author + Sponsor: Democratized Peoples

Realizing the need for further laws regarding our court system,
Recognizing that many older laws need changes to be brought into the modern age,

Congress agrees to the following:

  • Section I - The Joint Committee on Court and Legal Reform (the Committee), for the purpose of reporting to Congress with recommendations on changes to our court system and body of law, shall be created.

  • Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and three from the Senate and two citizens, who are not a member of either chamber of Congress. Each chamber's delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader. The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate each shall also nominate one individual, who is not a member of either chamber of the Congress, to the Committee.

  • Section III - The Committee shall make its first report prior to the next regularly scheduled elections for the House of Commons, further reports may be made if necessary.

  • Section I - The Committee shall elect a Chairperson via single transferable vote to lead all discussion.

  • Section II - The Committee may make recommendations to Congress or retract earlier recommendations.

  • Section III - All Committee matters other than the election of the Chair shall be resolved by majority vote as defined by the Constitution.

  • Section IV - The Committee shall be dissolved if either Chamber of Congress votes for a motion requiring its dissolution, or if the Committee votes for its own dissolution.

  • Section V - The Committee may undertake its work on the RMB of the region or of any affiliated regions of Thaecia, or any other off-site platforms, as long as it is available to the citizens of Thaecia. Affiliated Regions shall be defined as regions founded or maintained, or both, with the purpose of carrying out tasks for the region of Thaecia solely, and is controlled by the region of Thaecia.

  • Section VI - The Committee may summon witnesses to render testimony either at the discretion of the Chair or by majority vote, however, the testimony and reason for summoning must directly pertain to the topic of the committee.

  • Section VII - if there is a tie on any motions within the committee, the motion in question automatically fails.

  • Section-VIII - Member of a committee can be removed if both chambers of the Congress vote for a motion calling for the removal of that member.

  • Section I - The Committee shall draw its mandate solely from Congress, and it shall be accountable solely to Congress.

  • Section II - The Committee may not be formed until this motion is passed in both Chambers of Congress.

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I think that the Senateís changes are largely useful and beneficial to the overall bill, so Iíll be supporting it.

I would like to propose a few Amendments.

Amends Article II, Section IV:

Section IV - The Committee shall be dissolved six months after this motion passes both Chambers of Congress, if either Chamber of Congress votes for a motion requiring its dissolution, or if the Committee votes for its own dissolution.

Amends Article I, Section II

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and three from the Senate and two citizens, who are not a member of either chamber of Congress. Each chamber's delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader. The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate each shall also nominate one individual, who is not a member of either chamber of the Congress, to the Committee.

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and two from the Senate, each chambers' delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader, only representatives may serve on the Committee.

Marvinville wrote:I would like to propose a few Amendments.

Amends Article II, Section IV:

Section IV - The Committee shall be dissolved six months after this motion passes both Chambers of Congress, if either Chamber of Congress votes for a motion requiring its dissolution, or if the Committee votes for its own dissolution.

Amends Article I, Section II

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and three from the Senate and two citizens, who are not a member of either chamber of Congress. Each chamber's delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader. The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate each shall also nominate one individual, who is not a member of either chamber of the Congress, to the Committee.

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and two from the Senate, each chambers' delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader, only representatives may serve on the Committee.

At the minute, I oppose these amendments. Unless a detailed criticism of the Senateís amendments is provided, I would urge all MPs to oppose these amendments, which are stubborn and obstructionist. There is no benefit whatsoever in sending this motion between the two Congressional chambers, and this should be avoided.

Post self-deleted by Sunipi.

Sunipi wrote:At the minute, I oppose these amendments. Unless a detailed criticism of the Senateís amendments is provided, I would urge all MPs to oppose these amendments, which are stubborn and obstructionist. There is no benefit whatsoever in sending this motion between the two Congressional chambers, and this should be avoided.

I would like to remind you that these two amendments were enacted in the motion that you voted for before it was changed by the Senate. There are absolutely no word changes from the version you voted for, which passed the House. So please stop with this "stubborn" and "obstructionist" nonsense. It has become a theme that whenever opposition to TGP wants to amend or oppose something they propose, they call it obstruction. These amendments are proposed in good faith so the committee can be effective in its work and please remember that I voted for this motion when it passed the House.

But what are your problems with the Senate version?

Sunipi wrote:But what are your problems with the Senate version?

I dont believe citizens should have the right to serve in the committee since it is a Joint Congressional Committee. The title of the committee itself says it is a congressional committee for congressional members only. It also has an even amount of members in the committee, which has never been practiced in this region before. Both chambers have odd numbers so this committee should also have an odd number of members. In addition, this should not be a permanent committee, which is why we had the 6 month period for its operations. However, the Senate amended it to make it a permanent committee unless Congress or the committee itself dissolves it, which I doubt would happen

Thank you for elaborating. Now that I can see your reasoning, I support Amendment A. Nevertheless, a 6 month time limit may put a bit of pressure on the committee if itís doing any work as that period draws to a close, so Iíll be voting against Amendment B.

Sunipi wrote:Thank you for elaborating. Now that I can see your reasoning, I support Amendment A. Nevertheless, a 6 month time limit may put a bit of pressure on the committee if itís doing any work as that period draws to a close, so Iíll be voting against Amendment B.

If the committee would have a 6 month period to operate, it can work very productively in that time period because they know that it would not last forever. If it would become a permanent committee, then there is no ambition to work hard because you know it could still be operational a year from now. The purpose of this committee is to reform laws and operations in this region and I believe it should be done in a productive period of time. 6 months is also not a short period of time which you implies that it would apply pressure. We completed the constitutional convention in less than a 4 month time period. We could get a lot done in 6 months so I dont see a reason why it would be a lot of pressure on the committee.

Voting is open on the amendments.

Amends Article II, Section IV:

Section IV - The Committee shall be dissolved six months after this motion passes both Chambers of Congress, if either Chamber of Congress votes for a motion requiring its dissolution, or if the Committee votes for its own dissolution.

Amends Article I, Section II

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and three from the Senate and two citizens, who are not a member of either chamber of Congress. Each chamber's delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader. The Speaker of the House of Commons and the Chairman of the Senate each shall also nominate one individual, who is not a member of either chamber of the Congress, to the Committee.

Section II - The Committee shall be composed of three members from the House and two from the Senate, each chambers' delegation shall be appointed by the chamber's respective leader, only representatives may serve on the Committee.

Amendment A: Nay
Amendment B: Aye

Edit: got them the wrong way round.

Aye to both

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