The spectral King watched as Kirk climbed the steps of the throne after saying he has no mana of his own to give anymore. In that regard he would have suggested it would be more sensible to wait for one of the fairies to make their way here. He certainly trusted the fairy tribe far more than the avatar of devastation's origin with his own strengths, the untapped knowledge of thousands of hopeful chasers of humanities star... Thankfully he only augmented his own mana and not touched his corpse. He would certainly have to destroy Kirk then and there for that affront. There were already too many pretenders after knowledge and power they did not earn.
But with the nearest fairy over a day away... [It seems I have no choice but to allow Kirk's increasingly impudent actions... The youth of this era are so unruly. I get that he wants to protect his daughter but to copy and steal my mana, my power.] The Crossed King would have no choice but to allow this while Kirk begins to walk into the cave beneath the throne.
As Kirk asks him whether he needs to worry about anything else the old king just smiles ad shakes his head. [The boy wipes out Salem's beast single handed and still thinks the Mad God had the foresight to include more... Honestly I doubt Salem thought that anyone would have a breakthrough like this. And what's more luck is with us that the Wabachan King defeated his physical presence. The only one that could have stopped this is Beorin and my barrier is keeping him out... There are still some Forgotten hidden amongst the populous but my barrier is making them all nervous and frantic.]
"No I doubt much of anything will stand in your way down there. Unless you think Shadow Rats and Sand Stalkers would even come near you with all that mana you've [Acquired]." Kirk would know well that Sand Stalkers, appearing muck like giant scorpions with a sandy coloured carapace, hunt individually with paralytic poison and their giant pincers with some limited control over Sand magic, a beast deviation of earth magic. Such a creature was a High end A-Class beast... The shadow Rat was barely out of B-class. Neither beast would be able to stop him. "It should be a straight walk there and giving the arch the mana it needs to reawaken after dealing with Beorin's curse barrier."
Once Kirk would start his descent down he would see that the old King was not lying. The path was uneventful, critters and crawling beasts easily avoid him. A single gaze seemed to awaken some sort of ingrained response to flee at the mere whiff of the power about him... That spoke more of the power he was borrowing if anything else. Even in his sorry state, the power of the King caused fear even in mere monsters.
At the end of the tunnel, littered with the gnawed remains of old roots and carved stone was the pit that the King spoke of. The floor was made of a greying stone with swirled shaped sheered into the stone... No human or resident of this land carved this. The pit itself looked to be as wide as the palace itself, the fact the palace was built over this massive pit was more than alittle concerning, and if anything a sheer miracle that the whole thing hasn't just fallen in on itself by now.
In the centre of the room was the arch that the old King spoke of, made of greying stone with purple runes with a dull glow within a large cage of black energy. Enochian runes and shifting scripts keep this arch without power, severing the connection to the Spirit world and holding Zocom in its death throws... Undoing it would grant Zocom its freedom from the Forgotten and Salem, to save them from further decline. All he needed to do was destroy this blasphemy and bring the spirits back to Zocom.
You're going to have to explain what this is supposed to mean.
Well the King was born down there in the grave, culminated from what was left from the star chasers that perished down there. At best he has fragments of previous experiences, lore, even deviations of spells. How else could he have devised a means of using Old magic to easily compete and handle Enochian magic.
At best it amounts to lingering memories of people who failed in following the star along. At worst? He has access to magic he can use, like those spells he prepared to Lock Kirk away. Born in the place of death with the talents and knowledge of generations of wizards, warriors, prophets and hermits who could not forge a further path ahead.
Unfortunately I have bad news.
1. The Grave is not the Abyss.
2. Nothing is reused in the Grave or controls it.
3. If the Crossed King was born in the Grave, he would have no memory of anything he was made of.
4. If he was born in the Grave, he would not be here in Purira. He would be a new spirit in the Spirit World.
5. If the Crossed King was born in the Grave and in extension the Spirit World, and is therefore an Old Spirit, he never would have had children, or have anywhere near as much power as he does given how humanlike he is.
Easy fix honestly. Instead of having Moria's domain somehow the very heart of the planet, just have the Grave the name of plane she calls home.
I've never understood the Crossed King since you first referenced him. You're saying he has memories and experiences of Primal Humans to explain his anti-enochian powers. But Paradise and Perdition didn't even exist yet. Moria wouldn't even exist yet, because the concepts of living after death didn't form until the Idea and Belief made it possible. And since Old Magic and Enochian Magic are completely different, I don't know where the Crossed King developed that very specific power that has little to do with his own existence. Or how it has failed to do anything to Salem after 6000 years, since the King apparently still has S3 levels of power. Or how he thought he could break Kirk's pact, which is Old Magic and therefore not in his power's abilities.
All this too is an easy fix if you change his origins and Crown into something less specific. His origin would be affected by how long Moria's been in Purira reincarnating souls. It wouldn't be anywhere near her maximum conceptualization date, it would have to be at some point after humans reappeared after the Shadow of Rego wiped out the Sector. As for the Crown its already a sharingan with a million different powers, might as well change the base model to be able to destroy anything, even concepts and the nonphysical.
But then that leads off into a whole slew of questions I've been meaning to ask about Zoconian reincarnation. How in Yolg does it work? There's two souls in every Zoconian, meaning there's a caste system of souls, one lacking its sense of self and just helps the other, yet has unique powers that the primary soul doesn't have. Do these souls get paired during reincarnation or are they always together? People can apparently be animals in their next life if they're naughty, do they still have two souls? Is every animal on Zocom a reincarnated person?
And back to being reincarnated into an animal to repent for life's sins. That was what Lewis had said would happen to the lich that Heimrich killed. There's one major problem with that. A seriously major problem. He was a lich. He would never die. You would think that undead would be the greatest blasphemy to Moria, who's entire existence is the cycle of life AND death. One of her creatures seeking eternal life and escaping the natural cycle, which is the entire reason for their existence, should be the greatest sin imaginable.
And then bloodlines. How do they work when you can be reincarnated into a family line? Are they bound by flesh and blood? Can you get a blood transfusion and now you have a Crown? Are there set groups of souls that constantly reincarnate in a single family line, so that the power is bound to the soul and your son is also your great grandfather?
And Terrakas, when happens when they die? Do they still reincarnated? Do they gain a new second soul if they do? Do they remember their past lives or are reborn as themselves? Do they still keep their abilities? If they do, why didn't the Crossed King (since he currently remembers past lives) just reincarnate and fix the whole Salem mess on his own 6000 years ago?
As you can see, I've built up a lot of questions over the years.
Okie dokie I have alot to unpack that I likely should have unpacked ages and ages ago. Hmm... Yeah the stuff with he King can easily be fixed with some tweaking. Moria's domain isn't the very heart of the planet since its just Life and Death is the one she lives in, so I'm gonna need you to explain to me how you got that. I think I will change the Crossed King to be the very first creation of Moria then, absurd in power and versatility to serve as King and protector.
Also I wouldn't call shattering Salem's existence into thousands of separate pieces nothing. He thought it would be enough, hindsight is a terrible thing and so is misplaced mercy. It was during the year of R so he could have easily had bigger issues to deal with than a God with a complex and grand ideas.
Not every Zoconian has twin souls, only the human tribe. They are a lesser version of the Terraka Tribe, since when they unite the souls they turn into a Terraka. Their split soul, second soul, is just that. They don't get a new one ever time, they stay the way they are and take on new traits and attributes once they reincarnate. They get blank slated every time they die and get reborn, but there are slim chances that they get brought back with memories and experiences from their past life.
Reincarnation, those who aren't Terraka become blank slates and translate over affinities/traits/progression and powers from their parents that they will either develop early on or will awaken later on in life. In rare cases the second soul will have a hiccup and store a line of magic from their previous life, an anomaly that is allowed that arises in the strong desires of the deceased, far more likely to happen in those who have lived tough lives. They can become certain animals but that is reserved for terrible people, like lich's and other immortal undead who intentionally seek out eternal life. Even then there can be some leeway, as for the blasphemy of undead seeking eternal life. Why would she go out of her way to openly punish those who wish to express themselves? Its the entire reason she made this land in the first place, self expression and freedom to choose. Of course with some limitations, but other than that its all about seeing what they do with their lives. If she really thought that they all needed punishing then there wouldn't be any undead or immortals in Zocom, period.
As for bloodlines, templates for the souls to take on. Of course there are cases when souls exclusively reincarnate in certain family lines. Especially the Cross line, everyone born into that family line existed within the original lineage. Of course there are some exceptions, like Revan who is the reincarnation of one of the King's sons. But other than that, everyone in that family born in the line is from the King's family, extended or otherwise. And because I see this question coming, they're human because of the decision of his one son and his family to shatter their souls and hide amongst the human populous to throw salem's goons off the scent, with the side affect of breaking their pact of memory and experience restoration. Which had worked until a century ago once Salem started to finally be coherently reformed and seed Duncan's family with the Fabled blood, which was kinda thwarted by Albus taking all of the blood into his body to spare his two triplet brothers. Which is then why Salem got angry enough to have his templar's step in directly to infect Duncan.
Terraka don't have second souls, only the human tribe who are a small percentage are really just the Terraka with true royal ties. 6000 years is a very long time. The Terraka have a choice to reincarnate with their past skills/experiences/memories but not always their power, they get to choose to blank slate it. Children with S-class power with centuries of knowledge is overwhelming for any child, it all trickles back over the years. The Crossed King didn't reincarnate because you made Knightmare a thing in Duncan.
I could have fiddled with it after that but it all kind of went under along the way once I got really bedazzled by the who Knightmare thing and just decided he would be still around instead. So again hindsight isn't my friend
Well before I get to replying to that, how long has Zocom's connection to Mlria been stifled? Actually, how have any of them been reincarnating if they're not able to get back to Moria? She's warped the entirety of the Zoconoan continent to the point that anyone that dies there is reincarnated. How is one little peephole that Beorin clogged up stopping her at all? Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, that wouldn't be for her, that would have had to have been something that the Crossed King made to feed him more power. All the good that'll do is weaken the King, not stop Moria. Not that Salem should care, her thing is reincarnation, not giving a damn what people are doing with the lives in her area of influence. She is a force of nature, not a nurturing mother. If you want that better make a God, because Old Spirits at her level are as inhuman as they get.
Course, another easy fix. Have this entire storyline completely between Zocom/The Crossed King vs Salem, and leave Moria out of it. The well is the King's source of infinite power, hiding Moria's name and "de-paganizing" Zocom and introducing Enochian based religions would drive near all of the Spirits from Zocom. It'll all still work, just needs little tweaks here and there.
Heimrich still pissed her off of course when he permanently destroyed the lich's soul, since that is breaking the cycle. Course she'd hate the lich too since immortality also breaks the cycle, but there's no winners there.
Revision Revengeance and other things beginning with R: The Crossed King and Moria
I'm going to keep the lore about Moria mostly intact, that being that she is an Old Spirt who exists in the realms of Life and Death, with many minor spirits under her sphere of influence. While still upholding the desire to maintain balance, she is something of a outlier with a more creative desire to see what she could create outside of the sphere of influence imposed by the Belief and the Idea. Even going as far as to take some steps to ensure that she would follow the example of her Immeasurable Peer, good Father Death in making sure that the cycle of life and death within her creations is... Adhered to. Taken with a pinch of salt and not interfering with the normal cycle of life.
While she could have had any sector to herself, she choose to create a Kingdom within the already strange and seemingly cursed sector of TGC. Creating the landmass and its diverse and ever changing ecosystem, she was not nearly content with watching a continent full of monsters and creatures, a place far too unruly for the other lands and their species not to exploit it. So she created the very first Child of Zocom. The man who would serve as King, as protector, as a warrior to discourage the outlanders from abusing her creations. Her children. His children.
This man would be born with the perks of both Life and Death, like all of her creations to come. But he would be different, a body overflowing with power and the skills to use them. Eyes capable of stripping away the foundations of anything. Even things like concepts and the nonphysical. These eyes, a perfect golden hue in the shapes of a cross shape, would serve to be his crown. Proof that he is King, one that no god nor demon can topple . Though he would not use his powers for conquest, his purpose was to rule and protect. She had no wish to gain the ire of the Pantheons or Umbral wastes, but she would certainly not tolerate or accommodate their shenanigans. The Crossed King is the most powerful of Zocom's denizens.
John pls, Old Spirits are not gods. They can't do everything, they are a force of nature. A very specific nature. She is either the embodiment of the life cycle or of reincarnation, they are two very different things. And neither can create landmasses.
Then... Hmm... Then what If she had support from another Old spirit that helped create the landmass? They could be the one that helped in bringing the Fairy tribe into creation
You know the land could have already just been there, right?
Edit: I didn't quite see that option until you just said it despite it being way easier
Besides that, were the other answers good? There's always room for stuff to change but I hope it all made enough sense
Well I have new questions now if that's what you mean lol. I think the biggest things you'll have to decide on are if Moria's domain is the life cycle or if it is reincarnation, and if it's reincarnation, the rules on how reincarnation takes place and what reincarnates into what.
To break it down simply, only humans and Terraka have really been influenced by reincarnation so far. The other Tribes haven't had much pertaining to them IC when it comes to their afterlife. So if you decided 100% that Moria is about the life cycle, most of Zocom outside humans will uneffected by the loss of reincarnation. Reincarnation goes against the definite beginning and definite end of life and death, they're incompatible. HOWEVER, I will push that Terraka have the ability to reincarnate and remember their past lives. And while I will heavily stress that this is your Lore and not mine, I recommend to not have humanity being the crippled version of Terrakans. Keep Terrakans as the legendary superhumans that they used to be. I would shorten their lifespans though, too long and they might as well not remember past lives if they never die enough to use it. I do have an idea for a different kind of reincarnation if your interested. On a side note the unique evolutions the races have fit more into the life cycle version of Moria than the reincarnation version.
If you want Moria's thing to be reincarnation tho you'll have to explain how their reincarnation works a little more clearly. How the selection process works and what all is affected.
And finally I'll answer some of the miscellaneous stuff.
The absolutely most important thing I want to stress is don't make the Crossed King attached to Moria. At all. Whether it's life cycle or reincarnation Moria. Just let the poor sod be stupid strong and unite the lands into a kingdom with his own ability alone.
You both in the past and in your last IC post have referenced or straight mentioned the Grave, the very heart of the planet, only in connection with Moria.
The Crossed King died a thousand years before the Year of R.
The rest will have to wait until you decide what Moria's domain is.
I will take your advice and let the poor sod be stupid strong without a connection to Moria in the way I described before. Though now comes the problems of the Grave... If not a child of the Grave and not a creation.. What would you suggest I make this rude dude
I think I'm going to go with the Life-cycle version, and I'd like to hear this idea of yours.
As for the Terraka, yeah I think I'll take back the nerfed humanity thing and have them be what I hinted at ages ago, a unique form of freak evolution that became a prevalent tribe. Other than that I'm going to keep alot of the lore. As for lifespan... Yeah I'll shorten it from the 3000 years to about 1000. May as well not make it too ridiculous than it already is.
Situps, Wheaties, and motivation.
I want to think a little more on the reincarnation. There's a lot I have to add/work around given the Terraka's case.
Well, with thus idea of mine in explaining the relationship of the two souls and reincarnation, it sure is going to turn William into, well, the Nothing.
I've been reading back and doing research into each time the second soul was reference or explained. It's changed a bit over the years, mainly separating the Crown and Vengeance from it in the cases of Jacob and Duncan respectively. In essence, it is an empty vessel, existing to conform to life's experiences or family trees in the form of particularly potent family powers, such as the Dragneel Dragon Force. It is skilled at channeling magic and aura, which in turn is an extension of the self in Purirans. The second soul is the spiritual self, and the main soul is the physical. I am currently holding to the theory that all Zoconians have this duality, and through seeking enlightenment or through desperate acts any tribe can merge these two souls, and evolve into their race's ultimate being. "I" becomes "We", the separating of the spiritual self and the physical self. At this stage the identity is split, and is no longer one being. "We" becomes "I" am not "You". Now is when the quality of the being decides their fate. In most cases it begins a struggle for dominance. Different Tribes teach different methods for enlightenment, some seek the complete understanding of the physical world, and train the mind and body to change the equation of the being to "You" are "I", leading to the spiritual self becoming nothing and the physical reaching enlightenment. Failure can result in "I" am "You", the seeker of enlightenment becoming nothing. Or if both fail to convince the other in time, they lose sight of what the other is, "I" am not "You". The physical and spiritual no longer recognize the other and go their separate ways, weaker than what they used to be.
Any of the races can seek out this enlightenment. Those who seek to master their body absorb their spiritual self and become the mighty evolution of their race. As for humans, they become superhuman, breaking all physical limitations. Those who seek to transcend this life absorb their physical self, becoming a purely spiritual being. They then go on to the Spirit World, or depending on the individual, remain in the physical world.
Both parhs of enlightenment are acceptable in the story of life. They have a beginning,
and they have an end, before they pass on to their afterlife, whether as their physical soul or their spiritual. However, there is one method, a dark, taboo understanding of the self, that goes against the natural order. One that refuses to accept enlightenment as an end. One that refuses all ends. The Terraka.
"I" becomes "We". "We" becomes "I" am not "You". But that is where the similarities end. Whereas enlightenment has you choose your fate, the path of rejection does not. Rejection is the path to the true self. To unity.
"I" am not "You" becomes "We are". "We are" becomes "I am".
The Terraka is not a physical man, nor is he a spiritual man. He is He. He, simply, is. He is material perfection, yet he does not pass on. He is a transcendent soul, yet he is not exist as a spirit. The Terraka is. Upon his death he meditates upon his earthly life, and upon his rebirth he contemplates his experiences in the ethereal. An endless cycle of learning and self reflection, seeking true perfection. And what happens when a Terraka reaches perfection? Who can say.
As for William, let's just say that this will make his time in Darkspace very enlightening.
Motivation huh... That gives me a cheeky idea
Other than that I do like the very confusing concept you've come up with
It's what I can do with what I have to work with. Having two souls by default effects what I can do pretty heavily.
Now that I've read it over a few more times I've gotten a much better grasp of what you meant at when the 'You' 'I' 'We' stuff came up.
While it was certainly limited I think this is much better than when I tried to answer with. Every race having an Ultimate is going to be an interesting one to write up.
And now that Humans Ultimate's aren't Terraka's then I can make the Ultimate Terraka something clearly dark and absurd. Something that will be fun to explore with William's new life as a Terraka
I do already have some interesting ideas for some of the races but some of the others I might need some help with. Like the Dragon tribe, maybe the Orcs and Elves
As for the Crossed King, I think being vague with his origins might be best to avoid some headaches on why some random dude 7000 years ago decided to unite this land of mystical races with his bare hands and a kickass starblade
I tried making it in a way to help explain how powerhouses like Kendros and the Fairy Queen exist, as power levels like that are rather unheard of in Zocom.
Let's just say that when William switches to his spiritual form in the void, the King in Waiting is going to be the one returning, much quicker than before.
Good news: I found a .22lr rifle that's left handed to surprise my lefty dad with under 200 bucks.
Bad news: It's an auction and there's 13 days left.
If either of the .22 rifles my dad has been holding on to for me were geared for mirror dimension people I would have totally set you up with it.
That said, most guns aren't made for mirror dimension people.
Unfortunate that my dad came from the mirror dimension.
Guns also shot up 300 bucks, hovering around 4 now. It's a beautiful rifle, a CZ 452, which from what I've been skimming around is at minimum a solid .22, but there's still a ton of time left on the auction and retail is between 450-530 from what I'm seeing. Course the gun's hard to find in mirror but I don't know if I want to pay retail prices for a used gun I can't handle.
As someone from the mirror dimension I've only ever used things that weren't from the mirror dimension. Hence how I ended up ambidextrous. Now I can do some things left only, some things right only, and other things left or right interchangeably.
I can only shoot left handed and would have no idea how to use a mirror dimension gun XD
It broke 500 aaaaaaaaaaaqqq