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Kassimo

Kaltionis, you've tagged me in a couple of posts on the topic of Platformism - I'm sorry I haven't replied, I've not had much time recently.

I found this very useful website which collects texts on Platformism: https://anarchistplatform.wordpress.com/
And this website which collects the writings of Nestor Makhno: http://www.nestormakhno.info/
I hope these will help you in your understanding.

I've previously reflected on the Platform and Synthesis proposals in this post: page=rmb/postid=18583816

As you can see, my main conclusion was that these terms are no longer useful, and that the documents they originate from must be considered in their proper historical context, rather than turned into dogma.

Beyond that, I disagree with the tendency to reduce anarchism to a political programme to be implemented by a party apparatus. I think that unifying into a single organisation with a homogeneous programme is counter-productive to worker's self-organisation and decentralized struggle, and cannot bring about the transformation of social relations which we desire. I could go on, but my critique would be directed against the 'formal' organisations that exist today, rather than the Platform of 1926.

Anarchoearthlings and Kaltionis

Hispaniolian hansa

I've read your 3-years-old post about this, Kassimo, and I have to mitigate some aspects.

The distinction between platformism and synthesism, while outdated, is still used, and not slightly, to divide between the french FA and the more openly platform-heirs of CNT-SO, AL, CGA (also heir of the FA as they spli from them) and OCL (or even OLS and OSL). This is still an excuse for the IFA to refuse the affiliation of some of them (maybe through the opposition of the french FA, it's possible bu I have no indication of this or whatsoever in the recent years), so I'd say that yes, the distinction as some use at an european level, to distinguish between those who want a more "pure" tradition and those who don't care. Personally I don't mind not to have to do with "romantic anarchists" who want above all to have the most pure anarchist experience, even if this has ceased to have any sense.

Berthier is a good source, but is maybe not neutral. While he published books through both FA and AL in the same time (first being the claimed heir of the faurean synthesis, the second being the claimed follow-up of Fontenis "coup" to force the first FA to turn ancom in the 50's and... disappear), he sees this as an ansync somehow. More anticapitalist than most of his synthesist comrades, he still wrote a pamphlet against trostkist NPA's try to go hunt on libertarian lands that wasn't so antisectarian...

Libertarian Australia, Kassimo, Vernik, and Tolstoyan commune

TLA's long term member The final horseman is putting together an inter-regional historical society, and would like the help of your long term community members, so he can piece together a complimentary and consistent history for all of our regions to share in.

Here is the statement from the historian himself;

"As a citizen of TLA looking out at the member regions of the NSLeft I'll say that the last few years have been notably progressive and the growth within our community has been substantial. I feel that all member regions of the NSLeft are deserving of a comprehensive history of each of their regions. It is my belief that the significant individuals, events, and organizations that have led to this point in our history should be acknowledged and recorded for posterity. Future players of NS should know who helped to build the community they will find themselves in. Knowing what came before us is an important factor in working towards an even greater future for the NSLeft, and by making an effort to record our history we ensure an informed and educated future for the left of NS."

So please, if you know your regional history shoot him a TG. That'll go a long way towards building this archive of history!

Kassimo and Tolstoyan commune

Hello comrades,
I'm new around here :)

Libertarian Australia, Kassimo, Socialist democratic communes, Anarchoearthlings, and 1 otherTolstoyan commune

Tolstoyan commune

Equalination wrote:Hello comrades,
I'm new around here :)

Hi! Happy to have you.

Equalination, Socialist democratic communes, and Anarchoearthlings

Я приветствую своих товарищей

Equalination

Post self-deleted by Tolstoyan commune.

Tolstoyan commune

Rufuminium wrote:Я приветствую своих товарищей

и тебе привет
Do you speak english at all?

Rufuminium

This is the best anarchist primer I've come across yet: http://www.tangledwilderness.org/life-without-law/
So I've pinned it as a dispatch to our WFE.
There are perhaps a few controversial statements in there, so feel free to bring up points of disagreement!

page=dispatch/id=1192394

Anarchoearthlings, Lainons, Nature freeks, and Vernik

Tolstoyan commune wrote:и тебе привет
Do you speak english at all?

yes, I do.
But it is not my native language.

Tolstoyan commune

Letzte totenkopf brigade

Attention!

I am here to report that suspiscious activity is occurring in KAISERREICH, Montealba, and Driselbia.

These activities appear to be symptoms of ultranationalism and fascism. War chanting in the RMB, open hostility towards regions of different national classification/focus, and unwavering unanimity in their regional ideology. It is notable that Montealba and Driselbia are regions which are directly aligned with KAISERREICH, a region which has been liberated recently for suspected radicalism and fascist sentiments behind closed doors and under the guise of Monarchism/so-called "Anarcho-Monarchism."

Stay vigilant with these, friends.The Wolf Clan invaders have been targeting these regions in the hopes of exposing the ignorant nations within the KAISERREICH of its inherent toxicity and violation of the sanctity of human liberties.

-A spy for righteous justice.

We're not taking the bait, play your games elsewhere.

Libertarian Australia, Anarchoearthlings, Bakhare, Vernik, and 1 otherHispaniolian hansa

“Parliament and its executive proved to be unable to attend to all the numberless affairs of the community and to conciliate the varied and often opposite interests of the separate parts of a State. Election proved unable to find out the people who might represent a nation, and manage, otherwise than in a party spirit, the affairs they are compelled to legislate upon.”

“It is becoming evident that it is merely stupid to elect a few people, and to entrust them with the task of making laws on all possible subjects, of which subjects most of them are utterly ignorant. It is becoming understood that Majority rule is as defective as any other kind of rule; and Humanity searches, and finds, new channels for resolving the pending questions.”

~ Petr Kropotkin

In light of the current farce that is British Parliament, these words hold up rather well!

Libertarian Australia, Red highvalley, Anarchoearthlings, Bakhare, and 2 othersLainons, and Tolstoyan commune

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/graham-purchase-anarchist-organisation-why-it-is-failing

Found this short critique of anarchist organisations which brings up some good points

Libertarian Australia, Kassimo, and Bakhare

Insert clever anime reference

What do you guys think of implementing military education into secondary schooling? I think we can all agree that conscriptions/drafts are bad, but I think - or at least I hope - we can also agree that an armed and militarily capable populace is desirable. So what if we instead integrate gun safety and maintenance, as well as guerrilla tactics, munitions, etc into secondary schooling, as well as offer voluntary classes that would go more in depth, such as siege tactics, and ways to organize a militia in general, for those who want it. I think we would see an increased in volunteers, because students would have an increased interest in militia activities.

Tolstoyan commune

Insert clever anime reference wrote:What do you guys think of implementing military education into secondary schooling? I think we can all agree that conscriptions/drafts are bad, but I think - or at least I hope - we can also agree that an armed and militarily capable populace is desirable. So what if we instead integrate gun safety and maintenance, as well as guerrilla tactics, munitions, etc into secondary schooling, as well as offer voluntary classes that would go more in depth, such as siege tactics, and ways to organize a militia in general, for those who want it. I think we would see an increased in volunteers, because students would have an increased interest in militia activities.


Yeah an armed populace forming militias and learning guerrilla tactics is not going to be popular with those in power. I doubt it would ever happen.

Post self-deleted by Tolstoyan commune.

Insert clever anime reference

Tolstoyan commune wrote:Yeah an armed populace forming militias and learning guerrilla tactics is not going to be popular with those in power. I doubt it would ever happen.

I meant in a workers’ state, post-revolution lmao. I guess I should’ve clarified.

Ad meliora

Hispaniolian hansa

Before that, a proper course on real democracy and what is self-organizing/self-management would be the first step. Because imagine a warfare between students and teachers, before even being able to know/decide democratically what you collectvely want...

Insert clever anime reference wrote:I meant in a workers’ state, post-revolution lmao. I guess I should’ve clarified.

Since when do we do statism here? Or do I simply misunderstand something?

Anarchoearthlings, Nature freeks, and Tolstoyan commune

Insert clever anime reference

Vernik wrote:Since when do we do statism here? Or do I simply misunderstand something?

The Dictatorship of the Proletariat ensures the working class not only has complete control over politics and the economy - but also that it has a means of defending them against reactionaries and counterrevolution. The state’s function is that of class oppression, and this will never change. A workers’ state, however, is a reversal of the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It ensures the capitalist class, not the working class, is being oppressed. And it is not until the state loses its necessity that it withers away.

Vernik wrote:Since when do we do statism here? Or do I simply misunderstand something?

ICAR is a De Leonist, I believe.

Insert clever anime reference wrote:The Dictatorship of the Proletariat ensures the working class not only has complete control over politics and the economy - but also that it has a means of defending them against reactionaries and counterrevolution. The state’s function is that of class oppression, and this will never change. A workers’ state, however, is a reversal of the current dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It ensures the capitalist class, not the working class, is being oppressed. And it is not until the state loses its necessity that it withers away.

"The state’s function is that of class oppression, and this will never change." Partially, yes; now tell me, how can a social organ negate its own basic function? The State can be used to suppress existing capitalists, but as an organ of class rule, its continued existence can only establish a new ruling class, namely, those doing the suppressing. History demonstrates how this plays out: the leaders and bureaucrats of the revolutionary Party become the new ruling class, and in the name of suppressing counter-revolutionaries they halt revolutionary transformation and execute/imprison unsubmissive revolutionaries in order to establish and expand their power.

Marxists justify this by arguing that the Party represents the proletariat. Anarchists are wise to reject representation: just as our "democratic" governments are little more than stooges of various business interests and market forces, so the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is no more than the Dictatorship of the Party.

"So the dictatorship of the proletariat paved the way not for a socialist society but for the most primitive type of bureaucratic state capitalism and a reversion to political absolutism which was long ago abolished in most countries". (Rudolf Rocker)

Libertarian Australia, Anarchoearthlings, and Vernik

Insert clever anime reference

Kassimo wrote:ICAR is a De Leonist, I believe.

"The state’s function is that of class oppression, and this will never change." Partially, yes; now tell me, how can a social organ negate its own basic function? The State can be used to suppress existing capitalists, but as an organ of class rule, its continued existence can only establish a new ruling class, namely, those doing the suppressing. History demonstrates how this plays out: the leaders and bureaucrats of the revolutionary Party become the new ruling class, and in the name of suppressing counter-revolutionaries they halt revolutionary transformation and execute/imprison unsubmissive revolutionaries in order to establish and expand their power.

Marxists justify this by arguing that the Party represents the proletariat. Anarchists are wise to reject representation: just as our "democratic" governments are little more than stooges of various business interests and market forces, so the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" is no more than the Dictatorship of the Party.

"So the dictatorship of the proletariat paved the way not for a socialist society but for the most primitive type of bureaucratic state capitalism and a reversion to political absolutism which was long ago abolished in most countries". (Rudolf Rocker)

“how can a social organ negate its own basic function? The State can be used to suppress existing capitalists, but as an organ of class rule, its continued existence can only establish a new ruling class, namely, those doing the suppressing.”
Herein lies the criticism of the DotP. The state is a tool of class oppression, and its function IS NOT negated, as I said. For the time being, it is merely redirected. And as for the ones doing the oppressing, this does not automatically establish a class in itself. Now, there is potential for worker alienation and the creation of a bureaucrat class; this much is certain. If central planning is done undemocratically, it is neither socialist nor a DotP. HOWEVER, the working class, now firmly established in society due to the founding of the DotP, the implementation of Mass Line ensures an alienating bureaucrat class does not exist. Delegates and planners must absolutely be accountable to their electors. I think this should be an adequate response.

Insert clever anime reference

And yes, I’m practically a DeLeonist lol. DeLeon was a proto-Leninist, and conceptualized his own theory of a proletarian vanguard. I tend towards a Leninist/DeLeonist fusion, wherein a communist vanguard party and radical industrial union are entwined, with the party acting as the guide and steer, while the industrial union functions as a defense for the working class under capitalism, provides them with a praxis of economic democracy, and creates the framework within which industrial society shall be founded, post-revolution.

I made an Instagram post about my ideology, if you’re interested (mainly for clarity’s sake).

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwigou0gET_/?igshid=1vqf1e2lfivop

Hello good people and greetings from Forest. We have a bit of a discussion on anarchism taking place on our RMB at the moment, involving the desirability or otherwise of voting in elections. If anyone able to better represent anarchist thinking wanted to stop by then that would be helpful. Thanks, and have a verdant day.

In case they get buried in what is sometimes a fast moving board, relevant posts include page=rmb/postid=35293474, page=rmb/postid=35293767 and 2 of the following 3 posts.

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