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Ubertas oh hey you changed your flag again

Ubertas and Deutsche demokratische volksrepublik

[quote=sfr_creeptopia;32590676]N-day is coming soon...we shall stand united against the facist menaces [/quote

Indeed comrade, we shall battle he scourge back with our allies! For leftism!

Eastro

Rl news peeps ;)

Lecce, Italy: Anarchist Publishing Fair
https://anarchistnews.org/content/lecce-italy-anarchist-publishing-fair

Demand An End to Year Long Lockdown at Lieber Correctional
https://itsgoingdown.org/demand-an-end-to-year-long-lockdown-at-lieber-correctional/

They Don’t Care About Us, But We Keep Us Safe
https://itsgoingdown.org/they-dont-care-about-us-but-we-keep-us-safe/

...Aaaaaaaand some interesting stuff

The Mythology of Work
https://crimethinc.com/2018/09/03/the-mythology-of-work-eight-myths-that-keep-your-eyes-on-the-clock-and-your-nose-to-the-grindstone

Sbarengopolis wrote:Just realised I'm in the top 10% of Nations with the biggest death rates. Oof

I'm in top one percent haha beat that

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics and Sbarengopolis

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics

Ubertas wrote:So it’s essentially a Vangaurd Party made up of AI or an independent machine consciensness that’s linked to the people’s minds then? An interesting concept. I’ve always been wary of forfeiting power to intelligent machines and tend to err on the side of Stephen Hawking on the concept of AI. Intelligent machines need to be raised and taught in the correct environment, if they are birthed into a world of hierachy or taught that they are to be the leaders of us, I can see it going downhill very very fast. I’m not opposed to nonsentinent computers or entities automating menial labor and helping create economic models or even maybe one day uploading human conscieness into machines as a means of evolution (still on the fence about that one though), but it seems a bit drastic to leave everything up to them. Quite frankly I can see this getting very “we are the Borg, resistance is futile” lol.

Maybe after we’ve attained a truly stateless society I can see them developing into our equals and allies, but even then it’s a tricky idea. I may be getting all this wrong though, can you elaborate more on this cyberocracy? Maybe give an in depth explanation of how government functions would be carried or and such? Would the machines in this case become our leaders while we essentially just sit and look pretty and go about our business?

Well this depends on your ideological background. I'll detail it from how I'd perceive it from my Marxist-Leninist point of view...

So basically in my sense everything there is to know about a person is gathered and used to decipher information which would be used to make predictions and calculations on decisions made at the personal to national scale. An AI would be used to either mediate between a human Soviet or to make the decisions directly taking into account human limitations and to some extent accepting them. The AI would also automate a lot of menial work such as mining. The AI could also be used to coordinate social level operations such as coordinating locally (worker) planned economic activities allowing democracy in the work place but not at the total expense of planning and efficiency but allows advantages uprooted by previous central planning like lack of quality, monopolies, rigidity and damping of innovation thus making socialism a more viable model than capitalism in a world of innovation. This would be accomplished by using information such as the number of absentees at anyour factory in real time, economic performance in real time, local conditions such as weather, demands, usage, resources allocation in real time and future/projected use from personal information per person and continuous monitoring of a person's mood, health etcetera to make better personal level projections based on a specific person before they happen combining with other affecting issues such as climate and altitude or geographical region. But as I said before this would call for a massive intrusion into people's privacy as compared to current privacy intrusions but the difference wouldbe that socialist intrust ons would be always legal.

Ubertas and Caribbean udpr

Post by Caribbean udpr suppressed by Ubertas.

Caribbean udpr

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics wrote:Well this depends on your ideological background. I'll detail it from how I'd perceive it from my Marxist-Leninist point of view...

So basically in my sense everything there is to know about a person is gathered and used to decipher information which would be used to make predictions and calculations on decisions made at the personal to national scale. An AI would be used to either mediate between a human Soviet or to make the decisions directly taking into account human limitations and to some extent accepting them. The AI would also automate a lot of menial work such as mining. The AI could also be used to coordinate social level operations such as coordinating locally (worker) planned economic activities allowing democracy in the work place but not at the total expense of planning and efficiency but allows advantages uprooted by previous central planning like lack of quality, monopolies, rigidity and damping of innovation thus making socialism a more viable model than capitalism in a world of innovation. This would be accomplished by using information such as the number of absentees at anyour factory in real time, economic performance in real time, local conditions such as weather, demands, usage, resources allocation in real time and future/projected use from personal information per person and continuous monitoring of a person's mood, health etcetera to make better personal level projections based on a specific person before they happen combining with other affecting issues such as climate and altitude or geographical region. But as I said before this would call for a massive intrusion into people's privacy as compared to current privacy intrusions but the difference wouldbe that socialist intrust ons would be always legal.

Okay... so... basically

Im MonkeY

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics wrote:Well this depends on your ideological background. I'll detail it from how I'd perceive it from my Marxist-Leninist point of view...

So basically in my sense everything there is to know about a person is gathered and used to decipher information which would be used to make predictions and calculations on decisions made at the personal to national scale. An AI would be used to either mediate between a human Soviet or to make the decisions directly taking into account human limitations and to some extent accepting them. The AI would also automate a lot of menial work such as mining. The AI could also be used to coordinate social level operations such as coordinating locally (worker) planned economic activities allowing democracy in the work place but not at the total expense of planning and efficiency but allows advantages uprooted by previous central planning like lack of quality, monopolies, rigidity and damping of innovation thus making socialism a more viable model than capitalism in a world of innovation. This would be accomplished by using information such as the number of absentees at anyour factory in real time, economic performance in real time, local conditions such as weather, demands, usage, resources allocation in real time and future/projected use from personal information per person and continuous monitoring of a person's mood, health etcetera to make better personal level projections based on a specific person before they happen combining with other affecting issues such as climate and altitude or geographical region. But as I said before this would call for a massive intrusion into people's privacy as compared to current privacy intrusions but the difference wouldbe that socialist intrust ons would be always legal.

I see the necessity for making decisions on a national level, such as assisting in crunching the numbers for the economic plans and such. But I think going into things like a person's mood, climate, health, etc goes a bit too deep into individual autonomy. I'm afraid of giving sentient synthetic beings such a great deal of power over us. Computers would have no feeling nor true understanding of the intricacies of being human, thus subjecting them to many many errors coding and logic cannot account for. Unless of course, they are given feelings. The model you present is beautiful in many ways, and it definitely appeals to the scientist in me. But I think that there is a better way to create efficiency without giving up our power to some AIs. Non-sentient drones are great for automation of labor, but I think that if we want to achieve true efficiency to provide for all, don't give that computational power to some cyber Party. As I said before, I worry about this turning humans into the Borg rather than citizens of a communist utopia.

Instead as an anarcho-communist, I say give it to the people. Personally, I think that the uploading of the human mind into a quantum platform seems promising, after we achieve post-capitalism and revolution of course (such beings need to be raised in the right environment unless they'll become tyrannical and counterrevolutionary). If humans had mechanical instead of biological brains, we could communicate and share information easier without intruding on privacy. In fact, true direct democracy could be achieved via this method due imo. We could also make administrative efforts and coordination across anarchist communes and collectives faster and easier, leading to more cohesion within an anarchist communist economic model. It would also make decentralized economic planning easier to manage. In fact, the often-cited lack of efficiency of anarchism (something I've always felt was irrelevant in the face of true democracy) could be rectified.

Post self-deleted by Ubertas.

Utlegthin wrote:Ubertas oh hey you changed your flag again

Yeah I wanted to get out of the "Nate's flag looks like a Nintendo Switch" meme.

Utlegthin

Excuse Me. Somebody, can you explain about N-day? What is it?

Communist limberwisk

The United Kindom under Socialist Rule

I just have a couple of questions that I would love to be answered.

Where is the article that said capitalism killed 120 million people in India?

Can I have an economic evidence that Yugoslavia was revisionist?

Optional...

Why is that the cure for deathmutes in Mao Zedong Thought has never been revitalized in medical history, and so far I have not seen much articles on it when I searched the internet.

“Despite the government of Herzegovenia previously stating opposition to religion, national surveys reveal that a significant percentage of the population continues to have religious beliefs.”

Uhm, no: nation=herzegovenia/detail=trend?censusid=62

Caucasus union

Hey Comrades!

Herzegovenia

Communist limberwisk wrote:The United Kindom under Socialist Rule

I just have a couple of questions that I would love to be answered.

Where is the article that said capitalism killed 120 million people in India?

Can I have an economic evidence that Yugoslavia was revisionist?

Optional...

Why is that the cure for deathmutes in Mao Zedong Thought has never been revitalized in medical history, and so far I have not seen much articles on it when I searched the internet.

You may want to rephrase that last part, because i found it pretty unintelligible. Maybe it’s because I didn’t see the whole conversation, but still.

Also, wasn’t Yugoslavia market socialist? I thought that was pretty revisionist.

I'm not actually a communist, because true communism would require a change in human nature. However, I am actually a descendant of Trotsky.

Srbisch-freikorps

Twittria wrote:I'm not actually a communist, because true communism would require a change in human nature. However, I am actually a descendant of Trotsky.

"Human nature"
You claim as if that humans have a form of static set of traits and are inclined to act exclusively to these characteristics often linked with greediness and other monstrous or perhaps ridiculous notions unfit for communism.

Humans are malleable, they are born in an environment in which it will mold or influences their behaviors as to how they respond to a variety of circumstances they will encounter.

Che triumphant and Partizansk

Novoyevraziya

Ubertas wrote: Computers would have no feeling nor true understanding of the intricacies of being human...

Unless they're programmed to

Srbisch-freikorps wrote:"Human nature"
You claim as if that humans have a form of static set of traits and are inclined to act exclusively to these characteristics often linked with greediness and other monstrous or perhaps ridiculous notions unfit for communism.

Humans are malleable, they are born in an environment in which it will mold or influences their behaviors as to how they respond to a variety of circumstances they will encounter.

I get where you're coming from, but I must say I disagree. Communism inevitably results in the diminishing of individuality. It is something my family suffered under. You might say "that's not true communism," but the emphasis on humanity in a capitalist society is much more appealing to me than the unavoidable totalitarianism of communism.

Srbisch-freikorps wrote:"Human nature"
You claim as if that humans have a form of static set of traits and are inclined to act exclusively to these characteristics often linked with greediness and other monstrous or perhaps ridiculous notions unfit for communism.

Humans are malleable, they are born in an environment in which it will mold or influences their behaviors as to how they respond to a variety of circumstances they will encounter.

You remind me of a Professor I once had who beat her fists on a blank chalkboard and proclaimed "This is you! The world shall write upon you!

Ubertas, Twittria, and Srbisch-freikorps

Twittria wrote:I get where you're coming from, but I must say I disagree. Communism inevitably results in the diminishing of individuality. It is something my family suffered under. You might say "that's not true communism," but the emphasis on humanity in a capitalist society is much more appealing to me than the unavoidable totalitarianism of communism.

Not only are you wrong, but what you're saying flies in the face of Marx himself. I highly recommend Gould's Marx's Social Ontology, her explanation of Marx's views and correlations with Hegel's Dialectic are insightful.

If you're interested, I'll send you a neat quote since I have the book on me.

Twittria

No, thank you. I respect the ideas of Marx, Engels, and Trotsky (obviously, being related to the latter) but my family's personal experience overshadow abstract ideological concepts.

fortnite season 6 in 2 .3 days
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Parroland

Srbisch-freikorps

Twittria wrote:I get where you're coming from, but I must say I disagree. Communism inevitably results in the diminishing of individuality. It is something my family suffered under. You might say "that's not true communism," but the emphasis on humanity in a capitalist society is much more appealing to me than the unavoidable totalitarianism of communism.

Define individualism and how capitalism treats it altogether better than a worker's individuality being strained. 8 hours a day your individuality is sold to a boss who dictates to you what kind of attitude you have to have, what to wear and what kind of political speech and thought is acceptable (No union talk in a non-union place.), the argument simply lacks further context. Also it is quite nonsense to even say that it's not real communism as most leftcoms would most likely say, when it didn't even reach that phase and failed in attempts in multiple reasons. It is evident how catastrophic the circumstances were by the time the Bolsheviks got in power, Marx didn't even foresee such revolution taking place in a messy state.

Additional Notes: For what is the usage of charities in first worlds to their people when multinational companies thrive on the cheap labor and extraction of resources from the third worlds, then sell them at a high price! The consumerist culture plagues within these realms as commodity fetishism is on the rise.

Che triumphant and Ubertas

Srbisch-freikorps

Novoyevraziya wrote:You remind me of a Professor I once had who beat her fists on a blank chalkboard and proclaimed "This is you! The world shall write upon you!

I do not know whether this is a compliment, but if say the professor has a great standing in your perception. Then I feel honored. If not well, let's get on with our leftist infighting!

Novoyevraziya, Ubertas, and Parroland

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