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Lylhorion wrote:For you European people, is it possible for the Speaker and the Prime Minister to be the same person?

no, the Speaker is supposed to be completely impartial and give the opposition the opportunity to speak during parliamentary debates
(also your independents are impossible to see on NS dark mode)

Lindenholt wrote:That'd be a breach of the separation of powers. The speaker of a parliament is part of the legislative branch of government, whilst the prime minister would be part of the executive branch. Functioning democracies usually do not allow for someone to be in both branches of government simultaneously.

also that

North rukonia and Lylhorion

Lylhorion wrote:But I was of the understanding that the Prime Minister typically is a voting member of parliament, right?

Unless the British system is different, no one in the cabinet is a member of parliament; thus they cannot vote.

That is at least how it is in continental Europe, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was also like that in Britain.

Lylhorion

Lindenholt wrote:Unless the British system is different, no one in the cabinet is a member of parliament; thus they cannot vote.

That is at least how it is in continental Europe, although it wouldn't surprise me if it was also like that in Britain.

In Britain the cabinet and Prime Minister are all MPs of constituencies and have a vote

Lylhorion

Capsland wrote:In Britain the cabinet and Prime Minister are all MPs of constituencies and have a vote

BRITAIN IS NOT DEMOCRATIC

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Good thing they're out of the EU, we wouldn't want those tyrants in.

I wonder what spiel the West will cook up about naval exercises...
"They are up to no good, because they are making sure their first line of defense is up to par, and we can't have that since the UQs is bad because we said so. Woof."

Hey guys.

North rukonia and South baggnagia

Capsland wrote:no, the Speaker is supposed to be completely impartial and give the opposition the opportunity to speak during parliamentary debates
(also your independents are impossible to see on NS dark mode)

also that

Okay I get it. So i need to fix my chart lmao

North rukonia

Capsland wrote:In Britain the cabinet and Prime Minister are all MPs of constituencies and have a vote

Technically members of the cabinet are MPs since we elect them. However since we vote according to party lists their 'votes' are transferred down the party list. So if Party A gets 20 seats, but 5 Party A MPs are put in the cabinet, then the five empty seats are given to other people of Party A.

Technically speaking, members of the cabinet do not have to be elected as MPs, we've had so-called 'business cabinets' consisting of mainly civil servants and experts (= people not in politics). Usually they are party bound MPs however, since ministerial positions are bargaining chips.

Cill airne and Capsland

Also: https://i.imgur.com/iJf6bHb.png

Source: https://www.government.nl/documents/regulations/2012/10/18/the-constitution-of-the-kingdom-of-the-netherlands-2008

Sugoi

Lindenholt wrote:Technically members of the cabinet are MPs since we elect them. However since we vote according to party lists their 'votes' are transferred down the party list. So if Party A gets 20 seats, but 5 Party A MPs are put in the cabinet, then the five empty seats are given to other people of Party A.

Technically speaking, members of the cabinet do not have to be elected as MPs, we've had so-called 'business cabinets' consisting of mainly civil servants and experts (= people not in politics). Usually they are party bound MPs however, since ministerial positions are bargaining chips.

Continentals are so weird

Cill airne

Capsland wrote:Continentals are so weird

At least we're consistent in the separation of powers.

Sunrisia and North rukonia

Felsinia

In Italy cabinet members can be and usually are also MPs

South baggnagia

Mcelhania wrote:Hey guys.

Hello.

Felsinia wrote:In Italy cabinet members can be and usually are also MPs

Do they keep their right to vote for motions and bills though?

North baggnagia

South baggnagia wrote:Hello.

Quiet peasant!

The united states of the tao

Lindenholt wrote:Do they keep their right to vote for motions and bills though?

Do you know the names of the oceans? (ic)

The united states of the tao wrote:Do you know the names of the oceans? (ic)

We named the not!Atlantic Ocean the Lutetian Ocean.

None of the other oceans have names AFAIK.

Rhodevus, Belantica, The united states of the tao, and North rukonia

North baggnagia wrote:Quiet peasant!

Oy.
You better be not up to anything sinister...

North rukonia

Lindenholt wrote:Do they keep their right to vote for motions and bills though?

yes, although they often desert plenaries because busy elsewhere, but we had majorities relying on government members for confidence votes in the past

North baggnagia wrote:Quiet peasant!

*Clears throat* ಠ_ಠ

Daredland

Lindenholt wrote:At least we're consistent in the separation of powers.

Woo! West Coast! *I mean* Continental Europe! Hell Yeah!

Daredland

Sunrisia wrote:Woo! West Coast! *I mean* Continental Europe! Hell Yeah!

So the summit's happening over at your place?

Daredland wrote:So the summit's happening over at your place?

Well, I proposed it, if that's okay. We can talk over the details via TG.

Daredland

South baggnagia wrote:Hello.

North baggnagia wrote:Quiet peasant!

Speaking of national security hazards, South baggnagia, I got a new stash for you that you ordered. Came in this morning. Call me.

South baggnagia

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