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Real courage from Tulsi on third trimester abortion tonight

Hi everyone! For those of you who remember me, this is the The Federal Government of Iowa puppet nation. I left some time ago after an incident, but have missed you guys much. I hope to have a great time here catching up with those of you who I knew and meeting you new guys!

Hopefully the SDLP will show up and stay.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50115449

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:Hopefully the SDLP will show up and stay.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-50115449

The SDLP were never going to stay and follow the whims of the DUP, no Irish nationalist party would. That entire event was a massive childish stunt from the DUP to simply look like they tried to stop the abortion legislation going through. They knew from the start this would fall flat on its face but want to wash their hands of this, when in fact it's their refusal to negotiate which has brought abortion to the north of Ireland.

I understand that to some degree it is a stunt but they did follow the legitimate political process with the explicit aim of stopping the new laws while the nationalists do not care about the issue and are even more complicit in allowing another country to change their laws.

Post by The Gallant Old Republic suppressed by New Dolgaria.

I understand that to some degree it is a stunt but they did follow the legitimate political process with the explicit aim of stopping the new laws while the nationalists do not care about the issue and are even more complicit in allowing another country to change their laws.

Post by The Gallant Old Republic suppressed by New Dolgaria.

I understand that to some degree it is a stunt but they did follow the legitimate political process with the explicit aim of stopping the new laws while the nationalists do not care about the issue and are even more complicit in allowing another country to change their laws.

Accidental triple post there, The Gallant Old Republic.

Canadian federal election today, looks like we're heading for a minority. I threw the CHP a protest vote, I'm not a fan of any party right now, not even the CHP, they were just the only pro-life party on the ballot. Hopefully next election there's a party leader that grabs my attention.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:I understand that to some degree it is a stunt but they did follow the legitimate political process with the explicit aim of stopping the new laws while the nationalists do not care about the issue and are even more complicit in allowing another country to change their laws.

They didn't follow the legitimate political process, they attempted to suspend assembly rules and procedures and attempted to forego nationalist consent, which is obligatory in order for our government to operate. Nationalists were not going to be blackmailed into returning to government in which none of our outstanding concerns were dealt with. If the DUP were really pro-life as they say then they would have worked with us to restore government but decided not to because they refuse to even consider our grievances.

Abortion has been allowed to be leagalised because of DUP intransigence.

The Catholic State of Eire wrote:They didn't follow the legitimate political process, they attempted to suspend assembly rules and procedures and attempted to forego nationalist consent, which is obligatory in order for our government to operate. Nationalists were not going to be blackmailed into returning to government in which none of our outstanding concerns were dealt with. If the DUP were really pro-life as they say then they would have worked with us to restore government but decided not to because they refuse to even consider our grievances.

Abortion has been allowed to be leagalised because of DUP intransigence.

No chance to reverse this decision?

Havilland wrote:No chance to reverse this decision?

No, I'm afraid there isn't. What will happen now is there will be a consultation of the political parties in forming the regulations.

Feeling amused.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOTHING AND NOBODY HAS A 'RIGHT TO LIFE'.

The Grimm Reaper wrote:Feeling amused.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOTHING AND NOBODY HAS A 'RIGHT TO LIFE'.

Everyone has a duty to death though?

The Grimm Reaper wrote:Feeling amused.

FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, NOTHING AND NOBODY HAS A 'RIGHT TO LIFE'.

I speak from a Catholic perspective.

There's a famous quote, "Nothing in life is certain except death and taxes." To have death be certain though, one must first live. Only God can create life. Only God has authority over your life then.

God gives us our lives out of love. He wants to share with us the joy and fulfilment of Heaven. If He wishes to give us life then it is His will. Since we live in a broken world due to original sin life is hard, but once we make it to Heaven, all the hardships in life are comparable to a bad dream. This doesn't make life easy, nor am I dismissing all the difficulties of life, it means Heaven is worth all the struggles in life.

If God is the only one who has authority to give life and take life, who are we to challenge Him? Who are we to say that our will, the will of a created being, somehow can overthrow the authority of the Creator? God wants us all to come to Him and go to Heaven. It is important that we help eachother. A parent's job is to protect their child throughout life and help them to live a Holy life with God. It is for this reason that a parent should help their child during all stages of their lives and never willfully do harm to their child.

The Catholic State of Eire wrote:No, I'm afraid there isn't. What will happen now is there will be a consultation of the political parties in forming the regulations.

Well that sucks. That's British imperialism

Ireland and Scotia wrote:I speak from a Catholic perspective.

There's a famous quote, "Nothing in life is certain except death and taxes." To have death be certain though, one must first live. Only God can create life. Only God has authority over your life then.

God gives us our lives out of love. He wants to share with us the joy and fulfilment of Heaven. If He wishes to give us life then it is His will. Since we live in a broken world due to original sin life is hard, but once we make it to Heaven, all the hardships in life are comparable to a bad dream. This doesn't make life easy, nor am I dismissing all the difficulties of life, it means Heaven is worth all the struggles in life.

If God is the only one who has authority to give life and take life, who are we to challenge Him? Who are we to say that our will, the will of a created being, somehow can overthrow the authority of the Creator? God wants us all to come to Him and go to Heaven. It is important that we help eachother. A parent's job is to protect their child throughout life and help them to live a Holy life with God. It is for this reason that a parent should help their child during all stages of their lives and never willfully do harm to their child.

I think it was a Grim Reaper joke.

https://apple.news/AOidaym-bS86rIkkKBjidZA

The next president should end the shackling of pregnant inmates! This definitely seems like an issue the pro life community could/should get behind

COURT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND JUSTICE - CASE DECIDED

ATTN Embassy Region: The following decision has just been delivered and affirmed in the Court of International Law and Justice by the Judges of the Chamber of Interregional Affairs in the following case: Ecclestia re: Review of Application of the Interregional Anti-Bullying & Discrimination Accord (2019)


COURT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND JUSTICE
COUR DE DROIT INTERNATIONAL ET JUSTICE

Ecclestia re: Review of Application of the Interregional Anti-Bullying & Discrimination Accord (2019)

CHAMBER OF INTER-REGIONAL AFFAIRS

OVERVIEW

Case: Ecclestia re: Membership Status of Colonial Regions (2018)
Judges: Christadelphians (Head Judge) & The Noble Thatcherites
Party: Ecclestia - Elder of the Union of Christian Nations
Case Type: Legal Question - Interpretation of Accord
Judgement Delivered: 25th October 2019



FACTS

The UCN is a signatory to the Interregional Anti-Bullying and Discrimination Accord (IABDA). The Accord states that signatories:

'COMMIT to make every effort to ensure that their Regions are free from all forms of bullying and discrimination.'

The Founder, Ecclestia, closed the Region's Embassy with Farkasfalka citing the accord and the accompanying description. Below is an RMB post detailing Ecclestia's rationale for closing the Embassy:

Ecclestia wrote:Hi everyone,
A bit more context... As our Region is a party to the 'Interregional Anti-Bullying & Discrimination Accord; we are required to 'COMMIT to make every effort to ensure that their Regions are free from all forms of bullying and discrimination.'

There is significant evidence that Farkasfalka has made statements denying the holocaust, promoting anti-semitism, supporting white supremacy and neo-nazi organisations. These are things which I know we are all strongly uncomfortable with.

As Embassy Regions can post on our RMB and participate in our discussions, closing the Embassy was a preemptive attempt to ensure our Region stays as one which is free from Bullying & Discrimination.

I am further troubled by the statements that Farkasfalka has defended these positions by using Christianity as a shield to defend these damaging positions. Whilst we are welcoming of a broad set of theological beliefs in this Region, ideas which degrade and belittle whole groups of people and elevate the power and position of others is very far beyond the scope of reasoned Christian thought. As a result, removing our association not only fulfills our legal duty as mention previously but also our moral duty.

I am aware that this has been viewed as heavy handed by some in the Region. I'd like to thank those who sent me telegrams on the matter. There is an option to appeal this decision to the Court of International Law & Justice as it hears cases in relation to the accord and can rule if this was a fair exercise of this power. To see if this sentiment is shared, I will place a poll up to see if nations would like me to place this decision up for review by the CILJ.

In the meantime, I pray we can unite behind the belief that Jesus loves us all and asks us to act this out in full faith.

The Founder, Ecclestia has refered this decision to the CILJ for review to determine if the decision was made in accordance with the terms of the 'Interregional Anti-Bullying and Discrimination Accord'.

The primary questions before the Court include:
1. Whether or not the Court has jurisdiction to hear this type of referal.
2. Whether the decision to close the Embassy with Farkasfalka was consistent with the terms of the 'Interregional Anti-Bullying and Discrimination Accord'.


JUDGEMENT

Delivered by: Christadelphians
Affirmed by: The Noble Thatcherites

Assessment of Jurisdiction

According to 6.1 the Charter of the Court of International Law and Justice 'The 'Chamber of Inter-Regional Affairs' shall hear all cases regarding, but not limited to inter-regional alliances, treaties, agreements and disputes between governments; nations and/or other polities in different regions and may be used as either a Court of Appeal or Original Jurisdiction, upon agreement.'

This clause does not expressly state 'accords' as an item this Chamber has jurisdiction to consider. As was discussed by the decision of The CILJ Clerk re: Membership Status of Colonial Regions (2018) Link, the question of whether the Chamber has the jurisdiction to consider a matter should be determined by whether an area listed under 6.1 of the CILJ Charter can be characterised as having the same effect as one of the listed areas. Definitions of 'treaty' or 'agreement' were not given in the aforementioned case necessitating the definition for the purpose of this case.

A treaty is commonly defined as 'an agreement under international law entered into by actors in international law, namely sovereign states and international organisations.' As inter-regional affairs are negotiated by Regions, the above definition shall be read to replace 'sovereign states' with 'regions'. Agreement (refered to by 6.1 of the CILJ Charter) shall also share this definition however must be entered into with the intention of being binding to come under the jurisdiction of this Chamber.

It can be clearly derived from the text of the 'Interregional Anti-Bullying and Discrimination Accord' (IABDA) Link that it is intended to be multi-regional in that there is a provision for a number of Regions to become a party to the accord and that it is intended to be binding on its member regions as it directs signatories to 'ratify [the] Accord in line with the regulations and procedures set forth by the domestic law of their region'.

It is clear that the IABDA has the same effect as an interregional agreement which the Chamber of Interregional Affairs does have jurisdiction over as per 6.1 of the CILJ Charter.

The following clause is also in text of the IABDA:

RECOGNISE the Court of International Law and Justice as having original jurisdiction for any disputes which may rise from time to time in reference to this Accord.

As the parties to this agreement explicitly agree for the CILJ to have jurisdiction over affairs related to the IABDA which is permitted by 6.1 of the Charter as well as the accord being able to be characterised as an agreement for the purposes of 6.1, the CILJ does have the ability and necessary jurisdiction to preside over this case.

Legality of Embassy Closure

One of the requirements of signatories to the IABDA binds parties to:

COMMIT to make every effort to ensure that their Regions are free from all forms of bullying and discrimination.

The first area to determine is whether this section of the agreement entitles parties to close Embassies. The language of the text is extremely strong in that regions must make every effort to ensure it is free from bullying & discrimination. 'Every effort' implies that all reasonable actions must be taken by a Region. This language is is very broad and instructs Regions to use every possible action to prevent bullying and discrimination. Based on this alone, if Region A is a party to the IABDA and there is a reasonable belief that having an Embassy with Region B could mean that any form of bullying and/or discrimination may come from this relationships, closing the Embassy would be a reasonable step in ensuring that they prevent bullying and discrimination thus remaining compliant with the terms of IABDA.

As a note, there may be a number of options available to a Region when faced with a perceived likelihood of bullying and/or discrimination. The charter does not mention whether an 'effort' or action needs to be proportionate to the level of bullying or discrimination and this questions falls beyond this case as the question was whether it was a valid (not proportionate) exercise. As the IABDA asks Regions 'to make every effort', it is the current view of this Chamber that proportionality of the action taken by a region to prevent or condemn perceived or actual bullying and/or discrimination (noting there are offences which can have a higher or lower impact than others) should not be considered unless the action is so clearly disproportionate or extends beyond the intention of the IABDA which is to ensure Regions are free from bullying and discrimination.

The next question in this case is whether a reasonable belief could be formed that having an Embassy with Farkasfalka could prevent the Union of Christian Nations being free from all forms of bullying and harassment. A objective test will be used to assess whether this belief was reasonable. It should not be sufficient if the belief was subjective as this would enable any action to be taken by any Region if someone formed a belief that bullying or discrimination could occur even if this belief was formed irrationally or not in good faith. This would clearly extend beyond the intention of the agreement.

The facts show that the Founder, Ecclestia formed a belief that 'Farkasfalka has made statements denying the holocaust, promoting anti-semitism, supporting white supremacy and neo-nazi organisations. These are things which I know we are all strongly uncomfortable with.' After having reviewed the RMB of Farkasfalka, it can be seen that comments along these lines have been made and promoted. This behaviour can be clearly categorised as indirect discrimination, as defined in the IABDA as it 'maliciously disadvantages a person or group because of a personal characteristic' including: race, religion.' As such, there is significant evidence to suggest that the belief formed was reasonable. As the Union of Christian Nations allows nations in Embassy Regions to post on their RMB, it is reasonable to believe that a nation from Farkasfalka could post comments ammounting to bullying and/or discrimination. As a result the Government of the Union of Christian Nations did act consistently with its obligations as a party to the IABDA. This is because the government had formed a reasonable belief that having an Embassy with Farkasfalka placed the Union of Christian Nations in a position where there was a higher likelihood that they may be subject to bullying and/or discrimination and that by closing an Embassy, they were making an effort to ensure bullying and/or discrimination did not eventuate from this source.

As such, the decision to close the Embassy with Farkasfalka was consistent with the terms of the 'Interregional Anti-Bullying and Discrimination Accord' and no further action needs to be taken by the Government of the Union of Christian Nations.


This hereby marks the end of the case Ecclestia re: Review of Application of the Interregional Anti-Bullying & Discrimination Accord (2019)

Return to the Court of International Law and Justice

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Horatius Cocles wrote:https://apple.news/AOidaym-bS86rIkkKBjidZA

The next president should end the shackling of pregnant inmates! This definitely seems like an issue the pro life community could/should get behind

There won’t be a next president. Trump will remain emperor for life.

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/26/the-conservatism-of-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-and-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

Any takers?

New poll in Zentari. Come and vote!

What's your favorite color?

Horatius Cocles wrote:https://www.salon.com/2019/10/26/the-conservatism-of-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-and-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/

Any takers?

Warren is a normie republican.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/akkatastrophe-cdu-leader-kramp-karrenbauer-faces-rebellion-1.4065156?mode=amp

It's time for the CDU to go back to their Christian Democrat roots.

so...why stay here and talk amongst yourselves, wouldn't it be better if you split up and spread the word?

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