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Skuta wrote:Hello guys, I saw your discord server and was intrigued so I thought I’d join, I look forward to getting to know you guys

Yay! Hi!

Slavic lechia

Communal concils wrote:1. Well, it isn't natural. Not because it's disgusting ,scary or "Evil", but because it is significantly smaller than the more common heterosexual relationship. Sexual organs, sensations and other behaviors were made by nature for the sole reason of reproduction.

"Natural" is a funny word, as it's used by many to categorise concepts that they consider to be positive, and then used to pass moral judgements.

To a given definition of natural, humans are creations of nature, this all human technology and culture is natural, which makes Twitter, BDSM and American Football as natural as trees and earthworms.
To a different definition of natural, a rolling landscape that is covered with green grassland might be called natural, even though it exists because of human-led deforestation with hills formed from mining activity.

So what is natural? And why is natural moral?

Violence is a natural part of human biology. We're designed as animals capable of violence, able to strike out, bite, rend and injure. Our forward facing eyes help us focus and aim at prey, or at fellow humans. Our natural aggression allows us to kill. So murder is natural. Hell, rape could be considered natural. But these things aren't moral.

Forming clothing, cooking food, building shelters - some might consider these to be "unnatural". But equally, clothing the poor, feeding the hungry, giving shelter to the needy, these are often considered to be moral.

So saying that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural is fallacious on two counts.

First, homosexuality is only unnatural if you define it as being so. If homosexual attraction exists biologically, it could be said to be natural.

Second, equating "natural" to "moral" is patently incorrect. Plenty of moral activities don't fit definitions of naturalness. Plenty of immoral activities do.

Communal concils wrote:2. There are theories that assume that homosexuality is of hormonal cause. It's not a choice, but that means nothing to me. Most people are heterosexual because puberty was suppose to bring them to that type of orientation, homosexuality is a simple deviation. The "Goodness" or "Badness" of the deviation depends on it's consequences.

"Deviation" simply means not ascribing to your expectations. If you set your worldview to saying that love is good, and that homosexual love can be beautiful, then perception shifts. It then becomes deviant to show prejudice or hatred against homosexual love.

To me, hatefulness is immoral, and thus "deviance" comes from anti-social and misanthropic bigotry.

Communal concils wrote:3. It is true that the transgenders are disowned by most societies(except in certain isolated communities), but their self desires are base on idealizations of gender norms(gender norms that vary and change). In Iran, they take on the habits of women, in obedience to men, and in Thailand they are treated like Sexual Objects for sex slavery. So, they sacrifice many things for this idealization, which is harmful. Though, the homosexual is only denied because of the values of reproduction in many societies. Societies base on pro-natalism tend to reject it. in terms of western society, we should do more research into it. Examine it, and try to removal all problems associated with it. I will say the LGBTQIA culture encourages questionable behaviors, and that is part of the problem. especially with the embrace of libertine sexual behaviors.

Eh, these are just your value judgements. You've started with the axiom that homosexuality and transgenderism are undesirable, so you categorise cultural trends that lead towards such things as problems.

If your axioms are different, your conclusions are different.

Essentially, all your arguments here are based on "homosexuality is bad". The arguments are circular.

One could equally construct arguments along the lines of "religion is bad". I wouldn't argue that, but asshats like Richard Dawkins might do. That would lead to the same sorts of arguments but with different targets. Religion is bad because it is a deviance. It is a harmful aberration. Therefore cultures that create religions are harmful. Etc. Etc.

It's the same close-mindedness from a different directions.

To me, as an atheist, the best part of human beings is Love. Love Thy Neighbour, and all that.

I believe Jesus said something similar.

First And Only Archive wrote:"Natural" is a funny word, as it's used by many to categorise concepts that they consider to be positive, and then used to pass moral judgements.

To a given definition of natural, humans are creations of nature, this all human technology and culture is natural, which makes Twitter, BDSM and American Football as natural as trees and earthworms.
To a different definition of natural, a rolling landscape that is covered with green grassland might be called natural, even though it exists because of human-led deforestation with hills formed from mining activity.

So what is natural? And why is natural moral?

Violence is a natural part of human biology. We're designed as animals capable of violence, able to strike out, bite, rend and injure. Our forward facing eyes help us focus and aim at prey, or at fellow humans. Our natural aggression allows us to kill. So murder is natural. Hell, rape could be considered natural. But these things aren't moral.

Forming clothing, cooking food, building shelters - some might consider these to be "unnatural". But equally, clothing the poor, feeding the hungry, giving shelter to the needy, these are often considered to be moral.

So saying that homosexuality is wrong because it's unnatural is fallacious on two counts.

First, homosexuality is only unnatural if you define it as being so. If homosexual attraction exists biologically, it could be said to be natural.

Second, equating "natural" to "moral" is patently incorrect. Plenty of moral activities don't fit definitions of naturalness. Plenty of immoral activities do.

"Deviation" simply means not ascribing to your expectations. If you set your worldview to saying that love is good, and that homosexual love can be beautiful, then perception shifts. It then becomes deviant to show prejudice or hatred against homosexual love.

To me, hatefulness is immoral, and thus "deviance" comes from anti-social and misanthropic bigotry.

Eh, these are just your value judgements. You've started with the axiom that homosexuality and transgenderism are undesirable, so you categorise cultural trends that lead towards such things as problems.

If your axioms are different, your conclusions are different.

Essentially, all your arguments here are based on "homosexuality is bad". The arguments are circular.

One could equally construct arguments along the lines of "religion is bad". I wouldn't argue that, but asshats like Richard Dawkins might do. That would lead to the same sorts of arguments but with different targets. Religion is bad because it is a deviance. It is a harmful aberration. Therefore cultures that create religions are harmful. Etc. Etc.

It's the same close-mindedness from a different directions.

To me, as an atheist, the best part of human beings is Love. Love Thy Neighbour, and all that.

I believe Jesus said something similar.

1. Your right that people assume that Natural means good. Natural is all that isn't created by Mankind, it's whats created by the processes of forces in this world. Disease is natural, death is natural and human intelligence may be considered unnatural due to the complexity of the human mind. I don't see nature as a good thing, but rather as a grey area. In fact, it can't pick a side. You are also right that rape and senseless violence are seen as abominations in nearly all non-isolated societies, so I thank you for bring up the issues that challenge the narrative of nature's goodness. I will say that nature contradicts it's self. a disease is suppose to be in a certain being, but the troubles of the disease are not suppose to happen to the being. It is natural for us to kill a certain organism for our hunger, but it is unnatural for the creature to be twisted and reshaped in several forms. Perhaps Nature is a paradox.

2. I agree with this. However, I believe that some views are more useful than others. I do not think that my "Quasi-Conservatism" is useless. That is because I believe that transgenderism is used a certain way. It is use as a tool for certain doctors and psychologist to benefit from. Gender reassignment surgery is expensive, hormonal medicines are expensive, and it's always worth it for these people to get money to feed themselves and their families. So it's worth manipulating something that you don't actually care about . Transgenderism is also unhealthy in my opinion, as individuals are encourage to take leaps of faith. To go for the idealize form, no matter the consequence. Homosexuality is different, it becomes a community that you can use for your self gain. To call yourself an ally, and to appeal to the LGBT+ becomes a tool for you to sound , people could be guarded form criticism for their support of the group.

3. My view in a Nutshell is not that It's "bad", but rather that it has no use. I see no use in it. What does it bring to society ? why is it so important? I will thank you for reminding me of the "New" atheist Movement's stupidity. I will also say that I try to create secular arguments against the LGBT individuals that I debate. I use this secularism to make unique opinions, and to criticize atheistic and theistic opinions of my opponents.

RIGHT TO LIFE? LOL

The Grimm Reaper wrote:RIGHT TO LIFE? LOL

This is very funny. Ha, this person thinks that their comment was edgy.

Slavic lechia, Lagrodia, and The Grimm Reaper

Slavic lechia

Long comments are back!

The Grimm Reaper wrote:RIGHT TO LIFE? LOL

Lol

I didn't realize that Auralia CTE'd. Does anyone know why they left NS?

Slavic lechia and Dragons of Power

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Phydios wrote:He's alive!

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It was foretold that this day would come, yet I'd had not thought I'd see it in my day!

In seriousness though its good to see him back!

Phydios wrote:He's alive!

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Where to begin? . . .

First, I had some personal circumstances that affected my ability to participate in NationStates. I followed my own mantra that real life always comes first, and I logged onto NationStates only to keep my primary nations alive -- this nation and Christian Democrats.

Second, the automated recruitment script went down because of an error of some kind. I need to contact the moderators because it concerned our API privileges. I think, but am not sure, that a computer glitch caused our script to exceed the rate limit.

Third, it's good to see that most/all of the players that I remember are still here.

Fourth, it's good to see that we still have a government and that the region has not fallen into total anarchy. If somebody could give me an update on the state of the region -- preferably on this message board -- that would be swell.

Fifth, it's a great tragedy that the Irish people and government now tolerate abortion in their laws. In December, the Dáil (Assembly) voted 90-15 and the Seanad (Senate) voted 27-5 to legalize abortion until the 12th week. Abortions became available on January 1st.

Sixth, on a brighter note, the pro-life movement has seen some success in the United States. Contrary to the "woke" millennial stereotype, young Americans have been more vocal and more supportive of the right to life than their parents and grandparents.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/screen_shot_2019-06-07_at_1.10.31_pm.jpg

If the pro-life movement can gain a foothold, abolishing abortion in one state, it can show America that a society without abortion is not the twisted dark fantasy of a Margaret Atwood novel. Rather, it is a society that truly practices America's and humanity's best principles.

Seventh, the ongoing public debate between the Sohrab Ahmari camp and the David French camp has been intriguing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see the manifesto "Against the Dead Consensus," published in First Things.

Culture of Life wrote:Where to begin? . . .

First, I had some personal circumstances that affected my ability to participate in NationStates. I followed my own mantra that real life always comes first, and I logged onto NationStates only to keep my primary nations alive -- this nation and Christian Democrats.

Second, the automated recruitment script went down because of an error of some kind. I need to contact the moderators because it concerned our API privileges. I think, but am not sure, that a computer glitch caused our script to exceed the rate limit.

Third, it's good to see that most/all of the players that I remember are still here.

Fourth, it's good to see that we still have a government and that the region has not fallen into total anarchy. If somebody could give me an update on the state of the region -- preferably on this message board -- that would be swell.

Fifth, it's a great tragedy that the Irish people and government now tolerate abortion in their laws. In December, the Dáil (Assembly) voted 90-15 and the Seanad (Senate) voted 27-5 to legalize abortion until the 12th week. Abortions became available on January 1st.

Sixth, on a brighter note, the pro-life movement has seen some success in the United States. Contrary to the "woke" millennial stereotype, young Americans have been more vocal and more supportive of the right to life than their parents and grandparents.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/screen_shot_2019-06-07_at_1.10.31_pm.jpg

If the pro-life movement can gain a foothold, abolishing abortion in one state, it can show America that a society without abortion is not the twisted dark fantasy of a Margaret Atwood novel. Rather, it is a society that truly practices America's and humanity's best principles.

Seventh, the ongoing public debate between the Sohrab Ahmari camp and the David French camp has been intriguing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see the manifesto "Against the Dead Consensus," published in First Things.

Man am I glad to see you, CoL. Glad you're okay.

Pro-life international

Would somebody mind giving me the password to re-enter Pro Life International?

Jakobly-landston

I am here

Pro-life international wrote:Would somebody mind giving me the password to re-enter Pro Life International?

New Waldensia

Slavic lechia

Culture of Life wrote:Where to begin? . . .

First, I had some personal circumstances that affected my ability to participate in NationStates. I followed my own mantra that real life always comes first, and I logged onto NationStates only to keep my primary nations alive -- this nation and Christian Democrats.

Second, the automated recruitment script went down because of an error of some kind. I need to contact the moderators because it concerned our API privileges. I think, but am not sure, that a computer glitch caused our script to exceed the rate limit.

Third, it's good to see that most/all of the players that I remember are still here.

Fourth, it's good to see that we still have a government and that the region has not fallen into total anarchy. If somebody could give me an update on the state of the region -- preferably on this message board -- that would be swell.

Fifth, it's a great tragedy that the Irish people and government now tolerate abortion in their laws. In December, the Dáil (Assembly) voted 90-15 and the Seanad (Senate) voted 27-5 to legalize abortion until the 12th week. Abortions became available on January 1st.

Sixth, on a brighter note, the pro-life movement has seen some success in the United States. Contrary to the "woke" millennial stereotype, young Americans have been more vocal and more supportive of the right to life than their parents and grandparents.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/screen_shot_2019-06-07_at_1.10.31_pm.jpg

If the pro-life movement can gain a foothold, abolishing abortion in one state, it can show America that a society without abortion is not the twisted dark fantasy of a Margaret Atwood novel. Rather, it is a society that truly practices America's and humanity's best principles.

Seventh, the ongoing public debate between the Sohrab Ahmari camp and the David French camp has been intriguing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see the manifesto "Against the Dead Consensus," published in First Things.

Welcome back!

Senator Hawley is the only good man in the Senate.

Culture of Life wrote:Where to begin? . . .

First, I had some personal circumstances that affected my ability to participate in NationStates. I followed my own mantra that real life always comes first, and I logged onto NationStates only to keep my primary nations alive -- this nation and Christian Democrats.

Second, the automated recruitment script went down because of an error of some kind. I need to contact the moderators because it concerned our API privileges. I think, but am not sure, that a computer glitch caused our script to exceed the rate limit.

Third, it's good to see that most/all of the players that I remember are still here.

Fourth, it's good to see that we still have a government and that the region has not fallen into total anarchy. If somebody could give me an update on the state of the region -- preferably on this message board -- that would be swell.

Fifth, it's a great tragedy that the Irish people and government now tolerate abortion in their laws. In December, the Dáil (Assembly) voted 90-15 and the Seanad (Senate) voted 27-5 to legalize abortion until the 12th week. Abortions became available on January 1st.

Sixth, on a brighter note, the pro-life movement has seen some success in the United States. Contrary to the "woke" millennial stereotype, young Americans have been more vocal and more supportive of the right to life than their parents and grandparents.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/screen_shot_2019-06-07_at_1.10.31_pm.jpg

If the pro-life movement can gain a foothold, abolishing abortion in one state, it can show America that a society without abortion is not the twisted dark fantasy of a Margaret Atwood novel. Rather, it is a society that truly practices America's and humanity's best principles.

Seventh, the ongoing public debate between the Sohrab Ahmari camp and the David French camp has been intriguing. If you don't know what I'm talking about, see the manifesto "Against the Dead Consensus," published in First Things.

I'm at a diocesan conference today and tomorrow but I'll write my perspective when I return.

St denmark

Hello all, just passing by. :)

Culture of Life and Slavic lechia

Pro-life international wrote:Would somebody mind giving me the password to re-enter Pro Life International?

Let me get that real quick.

Edit: sent

Culture of Life, Pro-life international, The Rouge Christmas State, and Slavic lechia

Culture of Life wrote:Where to begin? . . .
[snip]

Welcome back!
(oof, doublepost, I know)

New Waldensia wrote:Let me get that real quick.

Edit: sent

Thanks. Will you please give me officer powers?

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