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New Kiwis wrote:I know this conversation has more or less ended, but I'd like to point out that despite Russia and China saying they are allies, they're actually only allies in the sense of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Russia and China aren't exactly fond of each (I mean, would you be if China was stealing your tech instead of buying it?).

In regard to China having a large navy. China's navy may indeed be technically the largest navy in the world, but their "navy" consists of quite a lot of small and fairly cheap (that being both cheap to make and maintain), not that that necessarily says anything about how good they are. Although China does have a lot of ships that have been commissioned in the last two decades, it does remain to be seen as to what kind of quality they consist of.

Exactly, Russia and China sort of like has an uneasy, or even a cursed alliance to begin with. They only joined up because of the west and their plans are limited without an alliance able to stand up to the western powers. Russia and China are admittedly friends for now but in no way they're allies, both countries actually have territorial claims to each other and they're only sidelining those issues to solidify their "alliance" against the west. I bet if America or the other western powers lost their power, they're most likely to turn up against each other.

This is, uh, interesting...

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/251276/in-michigan-rogue-decision-blocks-longtime-state-abortion-law

“The Michigan court of appeals has already held that this exact same 1931 law is valid under the constitution, in a case where Planned Parenthood sued, and lost, when represented by the very judge who issued today’s opinion"

It is absurd that she did not recuse herself from this case, corrupt. Even the Democrat attorney general, who said she would not enforce the law, said the case should be dismissed.

In other news, the Census really screwed up, according to its own audit of the count:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/05/19/14-states-significantly-miscounted-in-2020-census-but-that-wont-change-redistricting-plans/?sh=22d5a23533db

Now obviously covid messed things up, and they also lay some blame on Trump, but they should have found a way to produce results that were accurate regardless. This is a total failure by modern demography standards. 6.8% off is unheard of!

As it notes, 2010's audit indicated no flaws. Unremarked is that the problems with the count in 2020 is that 1) it will misallocate funds based on people who do not exist while neglecting those that do, 2) it will mess up nuanced redistricting by inaccurately indicating who is where, 3) several states it mentions had unexpected results: RI was expected to lose a seat, MA and MN also were considered possible candidates for losing a seat, and FL and TX both were expected to gain more. I can't run the numbers precisely, but it looks like Florida and Texas would have gained one more seat each and RI and MN would have lost one each. Arizona might have gained one also, it's harder to figure out who was next in line to lose based on the error estimations.
The point is: congress might have looked a bit different than it will, same with the next couple presidential elections, had the count been done correctly.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:In other news, the Census really screwed up, according to its own audit of the count:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2022/05/19/14-states-significantly-miscounted-in-2020-census-but-that-wont-change-redistricting-plans/?sh=22d5a23533db

Now obviously covid messed things up, and they also lay some blame on Trump, but they should have found a way to produce results that were accurate regardless. This is a total failure by modern demography standards. 6.8% off is unheard of!

As it notes, 2010's audit indicated no flaws. Unremarked is that the problems with the count in 2020 is that 1) it will misallocate funds based on people who do not exist while neglecting those that do, 2) it will mess up nuanced redistricting by inaccurately indicating who is where, 3) several states it mentions had unexpected results: RI was expected to lose a seat, MA and MN also were considered possible candidates for losing a seat, and FL and TX both were expected to gain more. I can't run the numbers precisely, but it looks like Florida and Texas would have gained one more seat each and RI and MN would have lost one each. Arizona might have gained one also, it's harder to figure out who was next in line to lose based on the error estimations.
The point is: congress might have looked a bit different than it will, same with the next couple presidential elections, had the count been done correctly.

No kidding it was messed up. I received a census form in the mail and did it online. Then a lady showed up a couple months later saying we hadn't done it yet, so I had to do it again. So, either I have an evil doppelganger or the system is just flawed. XD

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:No kidding it was messed up. I received a census form in the mail and did it online. Then a lady showed up a couple months later saying we hadn't done it yet, so I had to do it again. So, either I have an evil doppelganger or the system is just flawed. XD

I did the mail form and then they came to my door and I did it again. Technically they do do repeats randomly to check the accuracy (they'll compare both to make sure they match to try to spot errors or fraud), but the numbers do show they had a lot of duplicates especially in Hawaii.

The Rouge Christmas State wrote:No kidding it was messed up. I received a census form in the mail and did it online. Then a lady showed up a couple months later saying we hadn't done it yet, so I had to do it again. So, either I have an evil doppelganger or the system is just flawed. XD

Gotta watch out for those doppelgängers…

Bluewater village

What's up everybody. I'm new here.

Bluewater village wrote:What's up everybody. I'm new here.

Welcome!

Bluewater village

I guess when it comes to BBC coverage of Australian politics it's best to just laugh rather than get annoyed at their complete inability to not attack the Liberal party and bring up climate change while pretending to be neutral.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:I guess when it comes to BBC coverage of Australian politics it's best to just laugh rather than get annoyed at their complete inability to not attack the Liberal party and bring up climate change while pretending to be neutral.

Looking at the BBC news website I did get the impression they were cheer leading pretty hard for the Labor Party in their news coverage.

I support the Abortion-Industrial Complex.

The Catholic State of Eire wrote:Looking at the BBC news website I did get the impression they were cheer leading pretty hard for the Labor Party in their news coverage.

I almost feel bad for anyone who takes mainstream media seriously. Like people really let men and women in ivory towers tell them what's right and what isn't.

Lutherstad wrote:I almost feel bad for anyone who takes mainstream media seriously. Like people really let men and women in ivory towers tell them what's right and what isn't.

To be fair BBC Radio is much less slanted than the website.

Lutherstad

Communist Furby Island wrote:I support the Abortion-Industrial Complex.

Then you’re not conservative like you claim

Os Adoradores de Deus wrote:Then you’re not conservative like you claim

He never claimed to be conservative.

Communist Furby Island wrote:I support the Abortion-Industrial Complex.

And here I thought that communist furbies were strongly pro-life.

The niagaran islands wrote:He never claimed to be conservative.

This

Roborian wrote:And here I thought that communist furbies were strongly pro-life.

We oppose everyone's rights, both the baby's and the mother's. Therefore abortions are mandatory.

The niagaran islands

Communist Furby Island wrote:We oppose everyone's rights, both the baby's and the mother's. Therefore abortions are mandatory.

Seems that if you oppose everyone's rights that the course of action would be to ban abortion, and mandate post-birth infanticide.

Not that I particularly expect consistency or ideological rigour in trolling.

Roborian wrote:I am skeptical on all three points, that China and Russia will remain allies and not rivals in a scenario where both are looking to expand influence at the expense of a weakened U.S., the notion that a split-apart U.S. would be pulled into a larger conflict (Why would a recently broken up country look to get into a fight across an ocean?), and most of all China's navy posing any kind of threat to the U.S. mainland. The logistics are simply beyond the pale, even in a world with no U.S. Navy at all, never in history has anything resembling a contested landing against a nation literally thousands of miles away taken place. D-Day, done with complete naval and aerial superiority, was one of the most remarkable logistical feats in history, and took months to manage a jaunt across a narrow channel. China would be coming in hauling all needed supplies across thousands of miles to launch an attack with the only air cover coming from its two aircraft carriers, sixty-four combat aircraft, which would leave them outnumbered two-to-one even in a scenario where the U.S. Air Force was split into ten different countries (and, again, pretending that the 11 U.S. Navy aircraft carriers, each of which is nearly twice the mass of the 2 Chinese ones, have disappeared entirely).

There definitely could be very significant effects overseas if the U.S. split apart and had to pull out of the world at large, but absolutely no-one in the world has the capacity to effect any kind of cross-Pacific (or Atlantic) invasion of the American mainland, in any scenario.

It would not be necessary to stage amphibious and airborne, D-day style invasions. Special forces could simply be disguised as refugees and moved across the US/Mexico border. Then fuel pipelines, transmission lines, cell towers, internet hubs, rail and highway chokepoints, dams and water supplies, etc. could be targeted to disrupt and destroy the US economy. A conventional invasion is not necessary.

Acrinum wrote:Greetings, my new friends. I have heard on a telegram that this place here is religious. I have beliefs that the CDNoCoL has invited me here.

...

so what do I do here anyway?

Bluewater village wrote:What's up everybody. I'm new here.

Here is a link that may help to get started in the game.

(Edit: sorry, forgot to use the edit button!)

Forcee De Frappe wrote:It would not be necessary to stage amphibious and airborne, D-day style invasions. Special forces could simply be disguised as refugees and moved across the US/Mexico border. Then fuel pipelines, transmission lines, cell towers, internet hubs, rail and highway chokepoints, dams and water supplies, etc. could be targeted to disrupt and destroy the US economy. A conventional invasion is not necessary.

Good point

hi guys im new to this group

Alemanii wrote:hi guys im new to this group

Welcome!

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