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Sylh Alanor wrote:Travellers always seem to find their way into new places :) by what strange magic or fate, it is not up to us to say~ Also we don't have a military, why would we need one?

Also I thought I'd bring this up, potential new embassy for us to check out ^-^ poll will be up as soon as the current one is completed.




Statement on Yggdrasil



An’eth’ara,

Yggdrasil is an ancient region (originally founded in 2003). They label themselves as environmentally friendly, and are based around an Old Norse theme along with their sister region Valhalla. They’ve had an active embassy with Forest for seven years, currently have another with India, and had one with Canada for many years as well.

Yggdrasil recently came into the Alstroemerian Commonwealths collective (previously known as the Iwakusphere), a group of regions owned by Vandoosa. While the rest of the Commonwealths, notably those founded by Vandoosa, are generally silly and based around anime memes and raiding, Yggdrasil plans to maintain relative autonomy in its own affairs and is historically defender-aligned in gameplay, but has moved to a neutral/uninvolved stance. Their government is still active and relatively unchanged from before being inducted into the Commonwealths as well. They’ve stated outright that they plan to maintain the same cultural outlook they’ve had in the past.

I’ve been hanging out in the Alstroemerian Commonwealths server for the last week or two and they generally seem harmless and even fun most of the time. I think Yggdrasil, at least, can be good friends to Refugia for the foreseeable future, and I’d like to see us give them a chance.

I am hereby invoking RRS 6b to call a referendum on opening an embassy with Yggdrasil.

Dar'eth Shiral,
Sylh Alanor
Foreign Affairs Councillor, Refugia


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How does one interact with these people and where is there centre of government activity?

Yggdrasil seems very mysterious to me and I don't think I've ever heard from any of them outside of recruitment from Vandy.

Refuge Isle wrote:How does one interact with these people and where is there centre of government activity?

Yggdrasil seems very mysterious to me and I don't think I've ever heard from any of them outside of recruitment from Vandy.

Fair questions. While Yggdrasil still has a private discord server from before joining the commonwealth, I've learned that a number of their government people have joined the commonwealth server. Their RMB is also pretty active and their FA person replied to my telegram within a couple hours. I'm not sure if they tend to do government matters on that private server or not.

I'll admit I was looking at Yggdrasil a couple months ago, before they joined the commonwealth, and I liked them more then, and the change gave me some pause. But the more I've hung around since then (and since joining the Van empire server), the more I've gotten comfortable with the idea again. They've been pretty private since they were founded outside of when they were an active defender group, but we have friendly relations with other private/insular regions.

Is there much of an outside world outside the map or are lets say Nova Nova Hibernia and Avalonia actually just across the ocean from each other? Also, is it possible for real natural disasters specific to certain regions (ex: tropical cyclone activity) to happen on the map? Could theoretically, nations bordering tropical waters be hit by a tropical cyclone?

Melenavenia wrote:Is there much of an outside world outside the map or are lets say Nova Nova Hibernia and Avalonia actually just across the ocean from each other? Also, is it possible for real natural disasters specific to certain regions (ex: tropical cyclone activity) to happen on the map? Could theoretically, nations bordering tropical waters be hit by a tropical cyclone?

I suppose I've never really though about it. Conceivably, we could include references to other regions on our map, just as Forest does on theirs.

As far as disasters, I wouldn't mind making a thing to report changes in RP, but there isn't really a platform of RP at the moment, and I'm not an expert on making one.

Refuge Isle wrote:I suppose I've never really though about it. Conceivably, we could include references to other regions on our map, just as Forest does on theirs.

As far as disasters, I wouldn't mind making a thing to report changes in RP, but there isn't really a platform of RP at the moment, and I'm not an expert on making one.

I think we should have directions to the regions we have embassies in.

Flohovistan wrote:I think we should have directions to the regions we have embassies in.

Considering we access them through travel runes drawn on surfaces, I'm not sure how we would depict that outside what's already in the FA dispatch.

Sylh Alanor wrote:Considering we access them through travel runes drawn on surfaces, I'm not sure how we would depict that outside what's already in the FA dispatch.

Yeah, I was just trying to understand what "references to other regions" meant.

Sorry to see we're losing our embassy with you again!
Thanks for having had one with us, it was appreciated.
All the best for your future,

The Receptionist

Welcome NTRC to Refugia ^-^ if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Everyone here is super nice and knowledgeable about stuff.

Also consider signing up for the World Assembly (on the left sidebar) and becoming a member state! Member states can get on our regional map, vote in our elections and on referenda, and run for office. It's a great way to get involved and make the region stronger together.

Melenavenia wrote:Is it normal to get telegrammed asking what the numbers are in English?

I have encountered them over years, asking what numbers are in your language. I think they are simply doing a survey

Samudera wrote:I have encountered them over years, asking what numbers are in your language. I think they are simply doing a survey

Yeah I understood it afterwards but I was very very confused at first...

The Holy Empire of Tommason Kim is here RIP our general during our revolution Tommason kim

Tommason Kim wrote:The Holy Empire of Tommason Kim is here RIP our general during our revolution Tommason kim

Hello, I'm sorry to hear about your general.

Tommason Kim wrote:The Holy Empire of Tommason Kim is here RIP our general during our revolution Tommason kim

Welcome to Refugia, comrade. If you need any help, just ask us. Also, F in the chat for your general.

He died so we named our country after him

Don't worry in my country once you turn 17 you have to serive at least one year in the military

Huh, well, that's certainly a choice you can make :P

Hay at least our military wolnt fall enless you bomb all our city's

Tommason Kim wrote:Hay at least our military wolnt fall enless you bomb all our city's

I mean in all fairness, if one were to have all their cities bombed, they might lose more than just a military

Have we talked about this one yet? page=UN_view_proposal/id=honeydewistania_1605675990 I’m honestly not sure my thoughts on this

Indimu wrote:Have we talked about this one yet? page=UN_view_proposal/id=honeydewistania_1605675990 I’m honestly not sure my thoughts on this

I'm not too familiar with the ins and outs of it yet, but the appeals to "bureaucratic overreach" tend to be a turnoff for me.

wrote:Further observing that this overreach ignores member nations who use private companies to survey environments, which results in member nations being forced to create agencies they will not use, meaning that the bureaucracy is even more pointless

GAR#520 5(b) reads (emphasis mine) "establish, if such does not already exist, a state agency or similar organization with the responsibility of inspecting and regulating SWLs in accordance with this resolution and reviewing complaints regarding the operation of particular SWLs," so I'm not sold on this point. This is the subject of a legality challenge from Wallenburg right now, but even if it stands it's not a convincing interpretation.

wrote:Concerned that the poor definition of SWL includes locations such as scrap metal yards, which pose little to no significant harm to public health or the surrounding environment, resulting in harsh mandates being placed on these ‘landfills’ that could cost exorbitant amounts of money;

Wallenburg is also challenging the repeal on the grounds that this is inaccurate, as scrap metal yards are short term storage while GAR#520 defines SWLs as being long term storage facilities.

wrote:Dismayed that systems for the collection and removal of leachate are mandated regardless of the potential danger the leachate causes to public health or to the environment, yet another excessively broad mandate

GAR#520 4(b) reads (emphasis mine) "include effective systems for the collection and removal of leachate for treatment and environmentally safe disposal," which seems to be a similar misunderstanding on the repeal author's part. This is not currently in the legality challenge but probably should be.

Junitaki-cho wrote:Wallenburg is also challenging the repeal on the grounds that this is inaccurate, as scrap metal yards are short term storage while GAR#520 defines SWLs as being long term storage facilities.

YES 👏 Wally 👏

My goodness, I was getting all my thoughts together and rereading everything and Natalie swoops in with another great response. I agree with basically everything said.

Something I would add is that a quick look at the thread (viewtopic.php?f=9&t=493789) for this shows a lot of the issues coming up there. I don't think I see a single post really supporting the repeal as written, and I think it would have been better for Honeydew to bump the thread and ask for more feedback. Every response was either addressing something incorrect in the text, or straight up making the arguments Wally would use later in the legality challenge (unaddressed by the author).

The repeal text is sloppy and didn't get nearly enough time in drafting to fix those issues (the thread hasn't had a response since five days after it was originally posted, and GAR#520 was only passed 16 days ago besides). I'll be voting against as soon as it hits the floor in an hour.

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