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Catiania wrote:Well I was referring to how you were saying the game had patriotism as the bad type, rather than Catiania in an RP sense, which is of course wonderful.

Much agree Cat.
I think the game has done an excellent job of demonstrating the complexity of these attributes. Yes these concepts can coincide with toxicity, but like many things they don't have to. Faith can be inclusive, patriotism can be self critical, welfare can augment productivity, and concepts much like people can grow beyond their first impressions.

Melenavenia wrote:Do you want your patriotism stats to be low or high?

難しい選択。

There's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism. Patriotism is ok so long as it's keep to a decent level that doesn't promote xenophobia. Nationalism on the other hand is bad. I don't need to say why.

In nationstate, I'd prefer it to be low. Avoid any risk of patriotism turning into nationalism

I don't understand the issue that talks about the "limit to the length of campaigns". This concept seems foreign to me, as far as I'm aware people can announce their candidacy for something as far out as they want, but campaign season (in the States) really ramps up in the months leading up to an actual election. I'm confused by what it means and I finally remembered to ask about it.

Melenavenia wrote:Do you want your patriotism stats to be low or high?

Depends. Patriotism and Nationalism are two different things, from my point of view. Patriotism is when you accept your country's flaws and still love your country and want to live in it. Nationalism is when you tout that your country is the greatest despite the amount of atrocious acts your country's government does. Yes on patriotism, no on nationalism. Sadly, in my home country of the USA, people tend to confuse patriotism for nationalism and has lead to myriad problems.

I've got really great happiness statistics like cheerfulness, niceness, or inclusivity, but I'm in the bottom 100% of all nations for patriotism. Not totally sure why.

Melenavenia wrote:I don't understand the issue that talks about the "limit to the length of campaigns". This concept seems foreign to me, as far as I'm aware people can announce their candidacy for something as far out as they want, but campaign season (in the States) really ramps up in the months leading up to an actual election. I'm confused by what it means and I finally remembered to ask about it.

My understanding of the US is that campaigning is happening for about 18 months, if not longer (how many people are randomly in Iowa three years before a general election?). The debates even start a year before the election. That's madness.

Our campaign season cannot last longer than 50 days. In fact, our longest election even before the Elections Act mandated that limit was our second one in 1872, which still only lasted 96 days.

Limiting your campaign length forces the people in your government to spend their time doing their jobs instead of spending half their term (or most of their term for US House members) selling to their voters why they should go back.

Medecion wrote:I've got really great happiness statistics like cheerfulness, niceness, or inclusivity, but I'm in the bottom 100% of all nations for patriotism. Not totally sure why.

Because patriotism is blind loyalty to a country. Your people are obviously loyal, but not blindly loyal.

Inaros OPA wrote:Because patriotism is blind loyalty to a country. Your people are obviously loyal, but not blindly loyal.

Patriotism isn't necessarily blind loyalty. It can just be liking your country and having an appreciation for it.

Melenavenia wrote:Does your nation (NationStates) have a dark history that haunts it?

We had our ruler, the McGregory, certified insane and replaced by his clueless but power-hungry secretary. Since then, some safeguards have been put in place to ensure the leader is chosen democratically, and patients' rights respected.

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