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The author doesn't just talk about interpretations of these writers' works, however. He presents what he says about Nietzsche, for example, as actually having something to do with Nietzsche, not being only a misinterpretation by fascists. And reading this kind of stuff especially about Nietzsche makes me pretty not-happy.
I think that the writer not only implies that post-leftism has a close relation with fascism, but that he couldn't imply it more strongly. The article is named "The Left Overs: How Fascists Court the Post-Left". Chapter 1 is named The Early Composition of Fascist Individualism in which he draws connections between the influences of fascism or writers that flirted with a form of fascism and post-leftism. In Chapter 2 he discusses the origins of the post-left and he starts with: "It has been shown by now that fascism, in its inter-war period, attracted numerous anti-capitalists and individualists, largely through elitism, the aestheticization of politics, and the nihilist’s desire for the destruction of the modern world. After the fall of the Reich, fascists attempted to rekindle the embers of their movement by intriguing within both the state and social movements. It became popular among fascists to reject Hitler to some degree and call for a return to the original “national syndicalist” ideas mixed with the elitism of the “New Man” and the destruction of civilization." And he ends it with: "That post-left texts included copious references to Stirner, Nietzsche, Jünger, Heidegger, Artaud, and Bataille suggests that they form a syncretic intellectual tendency that unites left and right, individualism and “conservative revolution." This line from the second chapter happens to remind me his definition of fascism in the beginning: "Fascism comes from a mixture of left and right-wing positions, and some on the left pursue aspects of collectivism, syndicalism, ecology, and authoritarianism that intersect with fascist enterprises." In Chapter 3 he finishes off what he wants to say. After he drawed connections between the influences of post-leftism with fascism (Stirner, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Jünger, Heidegger, Artaud, and Bataille), and after he draws connections between aspects of both theories (ecology, syndicalism, against both the left and the right, individualism, conservative revolution), he goes on to prove their relation in practice by providing a number of different examples. The end: "It is more important today than ever before to recognize how radical movements develop intersections with fascists if we are to discover how to expose creeping fascism and develop stronger, more direct networks. "
A tale of two islands:
One island, a poor socialist state with infrastructure in grave need of modernisation, has slowly emerged out of the chaos caused by a hurricane’s wrath, while the other, a territory of the richest country in the world, cannot see the light at the end of the tunnel
http://www.frontline.in/world-affairs/a-tale-of-two-islands/article9892265.ece
That sounds great comrade, it's always good to see more people getting involved in the struggle. Ideologically diverse groups have their advantages and faults, but yeah sometimes you just have to deal with what's available.
Your position shouldn't be considered controversial, at least in typical Marxist circles. Personally I think westerners will play a role in the international struggle for socialism but I'm increasingly skeptical that we will get to the point where the importance of anti-imperialism is recognized by the majority of the western left any time soon. I feel that even if the left has grown recently we've generally moved backwards in the past decade on this topic.
Clearly our views are irreconcilable on this topic. I just don't see much merit to your objections aside from the authors' poor interpretation of Nietzsche. Again, if I was to write about CasaPound from a leftist perspective I would feel obligated to address the intersections between them and anarchists like this sentence you quote here, it's not the same thing as calling those anarchists outright fascists.
I hope this true, It's time that China finnally seizes whatever means of productions are still in capitalist hands, they're the worlds second largest economy they don't them in order to develop anymore. It's not okay that in one of the few remaining countries that calls itself communist that the workers are being exploited even more so then they are here in America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CWm6MGrki0&t=632s
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103798/Revealed-Inside-Apples-Chinese-sweatshop-factory-workers-paid-just-1-12-hour.html
I couldn't agree more comrade, why can't I find the original quote?
When the biggest anti-Iraq War protests were happening I was only 5 or 6 years old, but I've heard how massive the movement was. As far as I know there haven't been any Anti-war protests of comparable size since, so perhaps you're right.
This is mainly anecdotal, but from personal experience I do think some progress is being made. The explosion in popularity of the Democratic Socialists of America (problematic as they may be) after the Sanders campaign has introduced a lot of people to a form of anti-imperialism - though we must recognize the fact that the DSA has it's fair share of social-imperialists as well.
Do you think true anti-imperialism will ever have majority appeal within the imperialist powers?
This discussion has been over my head, otherwise I would have taken a side.
....And let that be a lesson to you comrades out there, if you don't understand some of the discussions feel free to sit them out or ask questions. No one here really knows what's going on all the time and if you feel like you're being left out of discussions please, start a new one, we want to hear from you!
Your five-minute summary of Xi Jinping’s three-hour Communist Party congress speech
https://qz.com/1105337/chinas-19th-party-congress-your-five-minute-summary-of-xi-jinpings-three-hour-speech/
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Xi Unveils New Chinese Communist Party Programmatic Guidelines
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Xi-Unveils-New-Chinese-Communist-Party-Programmatic-Guidelines-20171017-0032.html
If you're interested in Xi's speech in totality you can find it here in English;
Opening session of CPC National Congress中国共产党第十九次全国代表大会开幕会
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3167&v=wEn8AZqAAf4
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Pssst! I'm hearing a whole lot of "Marxist" this and "socialist" that! It's exciting!
It's not just the lack of movements of comparable size to the Iraq War protests that concern me so much as what I see as the western left increasingly buying into pro-war, pro-imperialist sentiments. There's always been people in our movements that immediately fall for lies like liberal "humanitarian" intervention propaganda but it never seemed like they were as loud as they are now. We (anti-imperialists) were in various instances the minority on topics like Libya when it was ongoing and while we were proven right by history there I expect we'll be condemned and marginalized again when the next war happens. As you noted in your previous post, a few liberals are more politically advanced on this topic than these so-called leftists so it's insulting to even throw that label at them.
On the DSA specifically I don't have much hope. About three months ago the DSA had an internal poll that put imperialism near the bottom of their priorities:
https://twitter.com/sunraysunray/status/872186961565540352
Just today I saw that a caucus within the DSA claiming to be anti-imperialist has formed, called Refoundation. So I guess it's inappropriate to dismiss the organization as a whole but anti-imperialists are obviously a minority within the DSA.
A question I've been investigating myself for the past couple of months is along similar lines: can socialist societies in post-imperialist states match the quality of life previously provided by the spoils of imperialism? The declining conditions for the working class in imperialist centers implies imperialism can't sustain itself there, but I can't say if the working class would accept struggling for a potentially barer existence that's not fueled by imperialism over fascists and social democrats peddling a return to a mythical past where things were better.
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I think this is a very interesting question that sometimes is approached very onesidedly (not by you but generally of course). I think we're very accustomed to measuring quality of life primarily by amount of consumption of goods.
But we have to think of what the working conditions would look like in a proletarian society. Especially in terms of control of our time.
I remember reading I think a NYT article on sex in East Germany or somthing, one little thing i found really interesting and immediately jived with me as I've been very involved with struggles against mandatory overtime and for the 40 hr week (and its flipside of under/unemployment). A woman who lived most of her working life in the DDR described how she's seen the differences in how shes spent her life compared to her daughter and her daughter's husband who've only known life post-DDR. When she was young and working everyone had stable working hours, reasonable time off, sick leave, maternity leave, and vacations. When she wasn't working she had time and energy to have a fulfilling personal life and spend time with her husband, family and friends. But she sees her daughter and daughters husband having to work all the time just to stay afloat and when they finally come home all they really do together is rest and watch tv because they are so exhausted just trying to make ends meet. I'm sure objectively they have access to more goods and services and cheap food than their mother who lived in the DDR, yet they live miserable exhausting life where goods like your tv in the evening provide escape.
I agree that the successor republics to the USA empire probably won't provide year around access to cheap foodstuffs from all over the world for the wretched masses of the imperial parasite state to gorge on or that the middle class will be able to continue habits like leasing a new car every year and new iphone models every year and all that sort of absurd wasteful consumption which both stultifies and placates the labor aristocracy. But on the other hand all the vehicles sitting on lots because nobody can afford them, all the vacant housing which is more than enough to house the population, all the food that gets thrown away from the stores because people couldnt afford it, all that will be released and distributed as needed.
And linking back to my previous paragraph though, while the consumption of cheap imperial spoils will become impossible, the flipside is the end of the endless debt, overwork, and insecurity that plagues the working masses of the imperialist states.
I don't think that means that even a majority of the labor aristocracy will side with revolution, at least initially, and half or more may very well side with the bourgeois who fattened them on the crumbs of superexploitation, but were a revolution to succeed in an imperialist country I think the changed living and working conditions combined with the enormous (potential) productive and technological capacity of such a state would provide a very different kind of prosperity even taking into account huge investments into reparations and redevelopment.
Just my two cents though, but it seems like if formerly peasant dominated and superexploited nations like Russia and China could rise up and become industrial superpowers and end the starvation that plagued those countries for centuries through revolution, then a true socialist revolution in an imperialist core country would unleash all sorts of possibilities, for the entire world.
I'm willing to be proven wrong though.
THE DEFENDER ALLIANCE, Kazirstan, The undominated, and Josepf stalin
I originally posted it on the rmb of my main region, The Federation Of Anarchist Communes as Maupof, but thought the comrades on the red team might like to hear some black team rabble rousing. And quoting seemed easier than pasting.
I was just arguing against an article comrade Zulanka shared, mainly because I was irritated from what it said about certain figures I am a fan of and also because I believed that its position on post-leftism was even more ridiculous than the movement itself. So nothing interesting.
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2016/01/02/open-source-marxism-2016-fresh-batch-of-pirate-scab-pdfs/
This is amazing. More than 13 gb of books in pdf format to download for free, including Marx, Althusser, Lukacs, Lefebvre and many others. First file (Theodor Adorno) doesn't work, but others do.
Marxist-feminists, Comradeland, Josepf stalin, and Kim triumphant
Thank you for this excellent post as always comrade.
Socialism even in the most hostile environments can do incredible things and revolution in a major imperialist country would definitely be a game-changer. Don't worry, I'm not a Third Worldist if you got that impression from my post! However, I'm worried about how to get to the point revolution is a real possibility and prospects immediately post-revolution.
I don't think it's going to be easy getting the working class in imperialist countries behind a socialist project while being honest about the things we're likely to give up. Some of the people most obsessed with the goods and such you mention aren't actual labor aristocrats, they're those who don't much access to these goods now. Maybe conditions will simply have worsened to the point that this discussion won't be relevant in the near future though. Topics like national liberation in Hawai'i and other oppressed nations will simply be very divisive by their nature; even within socialist groups many are indifferent to national oppression.
Revolution is the only option when it comes down to it but revolution is a serious thing, not at all a phrase to be thrown around lightly. It's an active position in that contrasts strongly from the passive methods our societies encourage us to emulate, it's fundamentally a more difficult road to go down. Revolutionaries in imperialist countries will need to prepare for serious and sustained intervention against them regardless how non-violent/peaceful they are or how much popular support they have. Capitalists are likely just as aware as us that a revolution in a major imperialist country is the beginning of the end of capitalism and will act accordingly. What makes this especially frightening is that of all people those in imperialist countries seem far and away the least well-equipped to handle such a burden.
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New Documents Reveal US Complacency in Indonesian Massacres
Newly declassified reports reveal that U.S. officials documented the killings of hundreds of thousands of civilians by the Indonesian government.
https://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/New-Documents-Reveal-US-Complacence-in-Indonesian-Massacres-20171018-0005.html
THE DEFENDER ALLIANCE, Greater soviet reich, Josepf stalin, and Kim triumphant
The North Korea Neither Trump Nor Western Media Wants The World To See
What we hardly ever see in articles on North Korea is the human side, some of the faces among the 25 million people at risk of being murdered or maimed by an American-led attack. I was part of a small delegation that visited the DPRK, with the intent of hearing from Koreans themselves about their country and history.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/north-korea-neither-trump-nor-western-media-wants-world-see/233355/
THE DEFENDER ALLIANCE, Greater soviet reich, Josepf stalin, and Kim triumphant
Mao reconsidered
https://mronline.org/2017/10/18/mao-reconsidered/
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A short work by Mao mentioned in the article, a powerful indictment of patriarchal society:
Miss Chao's Suicide
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/1919/miss-chao.htm
Greater soviet reich, The undominated, Josepf stalin, Not freien, and 1 otherKim triumphant
Today We Celebrate the Time Canada Burned Down the White House
The British and American armies, supplemented by militia and First Nations warriors, pushed back and forth for nearly three years, temporarily trading territory along the Niagara river, and hitting each other at their cores.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/today-we-celebrate-the-time-canada-burned-down-the-white-house-127844144/#hC9PJfFgUOBXZs3y.01
Kazirstan, Greater soviet reich, The undominated, Josepf stalin, and 1 otherKim triumphant
I just noticed this was written by Eva Bartlet. I seen her speak on the Syrian conflict here last year.
I've been thinking about this for a long time aswell. I think the key is to show that we don't necessarily have to give up anything, in fact the redistributed wealth will make the average person better off.
What about those things even the "aspirational middle classes" will gain like socialized medicine, housing and education?
True, people are afraid of what they might lose it we clear away the current situation, especially so those who already struggle to keep their heads above water. The less you have the more you stand to lose, relatively speaking. The capitalist schema teaches people to think like that.
I think a part of the revolution should be a "civilian" effort. By that I mean, regardless of whether there is widespread fighting or not, before the revolution is won, even before it starts, we should be trying to organise society along the lines we envision. We should simply ignore the existence of the state, organise a local rubbish collection, run it as a co-op of some sort, don't register it with the government in any way. That sort of thing, but on a bigger scale. We need to be able to offer better material alternatives and I don't think that's too hard.
Can I request permission to move into this region...I knew a great woman marxist-feminist many years ago and I want to rekindle our friendship, while at the same time I want to learn more about this region's policies and beliefs? I have seen that many nations which join this region are later on permanently banned...which I don't want of course...so I am requesting explicit permission before moving to this region!
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