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I am in no way as knowledgeable as other members of our region, but I do remember a few passages from Lotr where it was said (or implied) that sleep for elves is more of a meditative process, where their mind is asleep but their body is able to do autonomous tasks (like walking, running etc) and even remaining alert.

I believe that it was also implied, in some paragraphs about Legolas, that elves dont really need that much sleep, so I imagine that if they do rest, they only need it once in a few days.

Now about sleeping arrangements, in Elrond s house and in Luthien s house (i believe) they actually had resting chambers with beds in them, although I am unsure of any paragraph where it was clearly stated that an elf lay to rest in it.

Then we have in the Silmarillion a paragraph where the elves Turgon and Finrod went to rest in the open plains and dreamt the places where they d found their kingdom. And the bit where Miriel rested and went to a deep sleep and then died, if that counts.

I hope that someone else, more knowledgeable, can provide some better input!

Saeros of Doriath wrote:If we get active enough we can create some sort of chill Rp where people just relax in e.g. Gondolin, or Tirion upon Tuna. You won't need much RP skills for it and i think it would be the most actie because of this feature

Some regions have a separate region themed around their own bar/lounge/hall, accessed via embassy posting such as for our RP region. Perhaps such a place could function for a "chill Rp where people just relax." Doesn't have to be a bar, could be a whole city, as you say. Just an idea.

I know, speaking for myself, I don't love the idea of roleplaying on the forums, as it feels more public and like I am on-display, given how easy for others to notice it, especially as each post makes a new notice in the sidebar "Latest Forum Topics." I'm rather shy about such things...

Tatarica wrote:
I don't want to throw this off here, but it looks like a great segway in the conversation. So ...

Some of you know and some of you do not, but in the History of Middle Earth Books, or rather in The Book of Lost Tales part 2, "The History of Eriol or ∆lfwine and the End of the Tales", there's a story that is part of the early versions of Tolkien's legendarium.

The story is about an Anglo-Saxon of the British Islands who lived around the 10th century of our times, but who was said to be a descendant of our fair Ešrendil (the father of Elros and Elrond). Basically it is about him sailing westward and then somehow reaching the Straight Road (the route that left the Middle Earth's curvature through sky and space to the Blessed Realm of Valinor). His ship was granted safe passage and was able to reach Tol EressŽa (the island near Valinor but not in Valinor).

How do you feel about Tolkien's try to root his legendarium into our world by creating some sort of mythology interwined with our historic past?

I like the idea of Middle Earth being set in some deep mythological/heroic age of the earth. Always found the notion attractive. I still remember reading in one of Shippey's books his suggestion that Tolkien was possibly intending "Middle" Earth to be a time period, rather than a location, and how exciting of an idea that was.

That, and I recall one of his motivations being to rediscover the lost mythologies of the ancient Germanic cultures, some of whom would go on to settle the British Isles, but whose illiteracy resulted in them never recording them. I believe, being a philologist - familiar with working backwards to recreate lost languages - he employed somewhat similar methodologies when attempting to recreate those Germanic myths.

I'd not encountered that story of the Anglo Saxon, which you'd mentioned, but it seems sort of natural given my understanding as outlined above (and which I readily admit I may be mistaken about parts of). I suppose I like less his bringing it forward in time to an era much closer to the modern, though I can't explain why, exactly.

Dwarf wrote:
Some regions have a separate region themed around their own bar/lounge/hall, accessed via embassy posting such as for our RP region. Perhaps such a place could function for a "chill Rp where people just relax." Doesn't have to be a bar, could be a whole city, as you say. Just an idea.

I know, speaking for myself, I don't love the idea of roleplaying on the forums, as it feels more public and like I am on-display, given how easy for others to notice it, especially as each post makes a new notice in the sidebar "Latest Forum Topics." I'm rather shy about such things...

I like the idea of Middle Earth being set in some deep mythological/heroic age of the earth. Always found the notion attractive. I still remember reading in one of Shippey's books his suggestion that Tolkien was possibly intending "Middle" Earth to be a time period, rather than a location, and how exciting of an idea that was.

That, and I recall one of his motivations being to rediscover the lost mythologies of the ancient Germanic cultures, some of whom would go on to settle the British Isles, but whose illiteracy resulted in them never recording them. I believe, being a philologist - familiar with working backwards to recreate lost languages - he employed somewhat similar methodologies when attempting to recreate those Germanic myths.

I'd not encountered that story of the Anglo Saxon, which you'd mentioned, but it seems sort of natural given my understanding as outlined above (and which I readily admit I may be mistaken about parts of). I suppose I like less his bringing it forward in time to an era much closer to the modern, though I can't explain why, exactly.

1. yes we could do that chill rp on our own rp region that is agreat idea! i dont really like forums either

If you want to do informal RP in an already existing region through an embassy, feel free to use Hobbiton for example.

P.S. My favourite sleeping elves are the drunk snoring woodelves in The Hobbit.

Description of Rivendell in The Hobbit: His house was perfect, whether you liked food, or sleep, or work, or story-telling, or singing, or just sitting and thinking best, or a pleasant mixture of them all.

Balbo Baggins wrote:If you want to do informal RP in an already existing region through an embassy, feel free to use Hobbiton for example.

P.S. My favourite sleeping elves are the drunk snoring woodelves in The Hobbit.

Description of Rivendell in The Hobbit: His house was perfect, whether you liked food, or sleep, or work, or story-telling, or singing, or just sitting and thinking best, or a pleasant mixture of them all.

yes! i htink hobbiton would be a perfect place! also thanks for the explanation. I think elves only walk AND sleep when they want to get somewhere quickly otherwise they sleep normally

Lindon-Rivendell you are back!

I AM BACK

Saeros of Doriath wrote:i just wanted to find something on Saeros and saw a fanfic in russian. I read it(im russian of course i can) and saw that it was cringe(using of swear words, making a different story than what i htought it would be, and things NSFW that i wouldnt state, so, yeah, completely cringe and not fit for me, again, interpreting tolkiens works in a bad way.....)
yeah complete cringe(ah my head)
PS: Turin sucks

And this is the first thing i see?

Saeros of Doriath wrote:viewtopic.php?f=31&t=506750&p=38769841#p38769841
i created a thread for the applications. when we get enough characters i shall create an rp thread.

Ill join later

Saeros of Doriath wrote:guys i need your help.
im writing a small story and thats why i need your help. Do elves always sleep in a different form like is said in lotr? if yes, please explain how they sleep

They need less of it, they sometimes have opened eyes

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:I AM BACK
And this is the first thing i see?
Ill join laterThey need less of it, they sometimes have opened eyes

1. yes
2. ok
3. ok my version is they only sleep and move when theyre travelling

time to start the 6th page of what if ecthelion returned to middle earth with glorfindel

Balbo Baggins wrote:If you want to do informal RP in an already existing region through an embassy, feel free to use Hobbiton for example.

Thank you for the invitation! I've added some relevant info on our own World Factbook Entry.

Balbo Baggins wrote:

Description of Rivendell in The Hobbit: His house was perfect, whether you liked food, or sleep, or work, or story-telling, or singing, or just sitting and thinking best, or a pleasant mixture of them all.

I've assumed that the sleeping quarters existed and were used in case of guests, so they have where to sleep. Not necessarily that the owner used them or had a need for them. But it can go either way

Saeros of Doriath wrote:time to start the 6th page of what if ecthelion returned to middle earth with glorfindel

Hope we get a chance to see your work!

Saeros of Doriath wrote:oh ok then can i be rp organiser with comunications and poll powers? or maybe replace dispatch by me as the lord of the rps?

It is a real possibility for you to get some Regional Officer powers in Middle Earth, although I am not the decident of that. If you really want to, and you feel that it will bring something positive for the community in our region and you also feel that not having these regional powers can hinder your success, then you can work on creating a plan with a proposal, some milestones and some expected results, and then we'll put it up to debate. Usually anything that is useful and beneficial for the region gets a stamp of approval, but it is helpful to also have something as a foundation when offering regional officer titles. So a plan regarding what you'd like to do from the vantage point of this position ticks all the boxes.

Obviously, this is also a chance for anyone that wants or feels that they can contribute something to the region. Just put it into writing so others can understand what you propose and we'll get a conversation going and flesh things out.

Tatarica wrote:Hope we get a chance to see your work!

It is a real possibility for you to get some Regional Officer powers in Middle Earth, although I am not the decident of that. If you really want to, and you feel that it will bring something positive for the community in our region and you also feel that not having these regional powers can hinder your success, then you can work on creating a plan with a proposal, some milestones and some expected results, and then we'll put it up to debate. Usually anything that is useful and beneficial for the region gets a stamp of approval, but it is helpful to also have something as a foundation when offering regional officer titles. So a plan regarding what you'd like to do from the vantage point of this position ticks all the boxes.

Obviously, this is also a chance for anyone that wants or feels that they can contribute something to the region. Just put it into writing so others can understand what you propose and we'll get a conversation going and flesh things out.

1. thanks. when ill finish this one ill start another one of much larger scale.
2. ok ill try to beome one though i neeed to prepare

anyways the chill rp in Hobbiton is starting

Saeros of Doriath wrote:anyways the chill rp in Hobbiton is starting

May I ask what you envision this RP to be like? I don't really have a good idea of what exactly you are trying to start there. Something character-based, I'm guessing?

Dwarf wrote:May I ask what you envision this RP to be like? I don't really have a good idea of what exactly you are trying to start there. Something character-based, I'm guessing?

just characters living a peaceful life in gondolin, chill RP, just chill, no need for many rp skills

Thank you everyone for your help and your endorsements!

Can the remaining nations that participated in the last update leave the region, or declare your intentions? I am not a spotter, but I think that I saw some nations that have recently joined us from the black hawks region and sattelites still residing here. While I assume that the players may leave the nation to cease to exist, they can better do so in their puppet storage region. Thank you very much!

Later edit: Coorinna004 and Wascoitan 125, I have ejected your nations after roughly 30 hours of residing in our region and not being active on these nations.

Have a good day everyone!

Saeros of Doriath wrote:1. yes
2. ok
3. ok my version is they only sleep and move when theyre travelling

Hey, search up russingon, it's a lotr shipwreck
(Tatarica dont spoil it to him)
Also for you https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Flord-of-the-rings-unexpected-couples-fan-art%2F&psig=AOvVaw0XnN5neUKUvLjN_8zSpntY&ust=1626002569610000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAgQjhxqFwoTCOCyuOKx2PECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAQ

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Hey, search up russingon, it's a lotr shipwreck
(Tatarica dont spoil it to him)
Also for you https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscreenrant.com%2Flord-of-the-rings-unexpected-couples-fan-art%2F&psig=AOvVaw0XnN5neUKUvLjN_8zSpntY&ust=1626002569610000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAgQjhxqFwoTCOCyuOKx2PECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAQ

1. promise?
2. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SH*T

Lindon-Rivendell wrote:Hey, search up russingon, it's a lotr shipwreck
(Tatarica dont spoil it to him)

Ah, fan fiction. I personally do not agree with that for in-lore reasons, mainly because of Tolkien's essay "The Laws and Customs of the Eldar" where he describes in detail elvish customs and thinking, but for out-of-lore / fanart rooted in the ideals of the 21th century I see no issue.

That was one of the main reasons I think for character design in the Hobbit films choosing to depict some of the dwarves without enormous bushy beards. Can't completely hide all those handsome male actors' faces. Thorin got a trimmed beard so that his face remains expressive. It was clear already from the LOTR series that fantasy characters can be well suited for all sorts of ogling and creativity, be it erotic, romantic or just admiration. Looking for fanfiction? Archive of our own. Fanart? Tumblr and Deviantart. A favourite adjective used by fans of Thorin is "majestic".

Thorin Oakenshield wrote:That was one of the main reasons I think for character design in the Hobbit films choosing to depict some of the dwarves without enormous bushy beards. Can't completely hide all those handsome male actors' faces. Thorin got a trimmed beard so that his face remains expressive. It was clear already from the LOTR series that fantasy characters can be well suited for all sorts of ogling and creativity, be it erotic, romantic or just admiration. Looking for fanfiction? Archive of our own. Fanart? Tumblr and Deviantart. A favourite adjective used by fans of Thorin is "majestic".

i kinda don't know, i don't really like how the hobbit films portray the dwarves....

There's something to be said for minimalist character design: Dwarf.

Or in between, such as this Thorin.
https://www.deviantart.com/tolmancotton/art/Thorin-Oakenshield-344780859

Thorin Oakenshield wrote:There's something to be said for minimalist character design: Dwarf.

Or in between, such as this Thorin.
https://www.deviantart.com/tolmancotton/art/Thorin-Oakenshield-344780859

Great looking character!

This reminds me of an old dispatch we still have featured, regarding LoTR artworks. Our amazing friend and past delegate, Dor caranthir, put great effort in finding bits of art scattered all around the internet and presented them to us in the form of Dispatches filled with information.

Considering that the coffers of the internet are never empty and there is always some new art to be created, I wonder if we can restart this presentation of Tolkien / fantasy art, be it in the form of pictures or text. Weekly/monthly/bi-yearly etc.

Saeros of Doriath wrote:just characters living a peaceful life in gondolin, chill RP, just chill, no need for many rp skills

I see. Alright, I will attempt to participate, see how it goes :)

Thorin Oakenshield wrote:There's something to be said for minimalist character design: Dwarf.

I am very taken by minimalism :)

Tatarica wrote:This reminds me of an old dispatch we still have featured, regarding LoTR artworks. Our amazing friend and past delegate, Dor caranthir, put great effort in finding bits of art scattered all around the internet and presented them to us in the form of Dispatches filled with information.

Considering that the coffers of the internet are never empty and there is always some new art to be created, I wonder if we can restart this presentation of Tolkien / fantasy art, be it in the form of pictures or text. Weekly/monthly/bi-yearly etc.

When using my preferred image hosting site, imgur, one is often confronted by other images and posts made by the wider community on there. Very frequently, it seems, I encounter Tolkien-related stuff - whether character designs, fan art, or lengthy lore expositions. I could try to save the ones I come across, and occasionally compile them into a dispatch if I've gotten enough..?

i was just thinking, this may be a coincidence but in russian folk stories there was kind of a dark lord who always had to be desytroyed(because he was immortal) by breaking an object

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