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The pioneer valley

Darnolia wrote:Veterans Day and Remembrance Day are pretty much the same thing right, on the same day?

Remembrance Day is for the ending of WWI and Veterans Day was originally for WWI veterans but it has expanded for all Veterans

The pioneer valley wrote:Remembrance Day is for the ending of WWI and Veterans Day was originally for WWI veterans but it has expanded for all Veterans

So similar origins, but they branched off each other

The pioneer valley wrote:Remembrance Day is for the ending of WWI and Veterans Day was originally for WWI veterans but it has expanded for all Veterans

I personally celebrate it for all wars Canada had participated and for all active soldiers, I don't personally just honor WW1, but also WW2,etc

Aaand i live again!

Publica wrote:As a note, Veteran’s Day is uniquely American. The rest of the world marks Remembrance Day on November 11th, which is closer to Memorial Day in how it’s marked.

Fun thing - it ain't celebrated here. No clue why.
Although we have a "Defender of the Fatherland Day" instead, on 23rd of February.

And Remembrance Day is evolution of Armistice Day (the one that was originally for WWI veterans), no? Or is it the same thing still?

Darnolia wrote:Veterans Day and Remembrance Day are pretty much the same thing right, on the same day?

They're held on the same day, but while Veterans Day is about discharged soldiers, Remembrance Day is about the dead. Particularly those of WW1, but technically those of any war since. This year was actually the 100th Remembrance Day to be marked.

Kronomia, Darnolia, and Esrila

Anytime I hear someone blame “liberals and Dems” or say that vaccines are dangerous, I will forever say “ok boomer”. The reactions are priceless haha.

Frostnia, Nooo!!

Kronomia and The pioneer valley

Darnolia wrote:Anytime I hear someone blame “liberals and Dems” or say that vaccines are dangerous, I will forever say “ok boomer”. The reactions are priceless haha.

but it's not okay, they're the only ones who should be allowed to insult millenials /s

Darnolia wrote:<snip>
The Gripens use laser-guided precision bombs and missiles to hit the downed UFO. Some of them also perform strafing runs to probe the shield's strength. F-22Bs provide cover for the Esagrean aircraft. Ground troops send small teams of 5-6 soldiers to scout the UFO, looking for an entrance. If they find an entrance, they could stop the UFO from firing and gain the upper hand for the Coalition.
<snip>

Gornaki personnel strikes back against the scouts, as the UFO continued to take a beating. The shield on the UFO flickered weakly, as if trying to cling on life - even as it was redirected to more vital areas; missiles simply went right through, striking against the hull. Some of them hit gun emplacements, disabling them in one way or another; a few managed to land near entry points - potentially scaring those who were about to leave, yet the hull itself still held strong as it continued to get struck by weapons of all caliber.
On the ground... if someone didn't know any better, they'd swear it was a lightshow of sort. Plasma, lasers, bullets, and rockets all were fired indiscriminately, and yet it seemed to create more cover than destroy it. However as fighting picked up, first casualties started popping up on all sides. A couple of lucky shots took down Gornaki turret operators with their heavy weaponry, followed by other personnel that was around. In response to that, more were sent out. This time, proper soldiers. They shoved their less experienced comrades away, as heavy weapons got manned again and forced Coalition scouts to dig in.

More bombs were dropped by Estagrian bombers, mostly striking the hull this time; the fighter squadrons sent to fight for air supremacy started doing strafing runs around the UFO, aiming for what encampments Gornaki have built. 32nd Airborne Division was just entering area of operations, and would still take some time to reach the landing zones.
OOC: Sorry for late response and what not. Took some time to take care of myself and ended up getting sick /shrug

The manchu republic

Esagreum wrote:but it's not okay, they're the only ones who should be allowed to insult millenials /s

One of them flat out insulted me XD. Talk about sensitive.

Esagreum wrote:Gornaki personnel strikes back against the scouts, as the UFO continued to take a beating. The shield on the UFO flickered weakly, as if trying to cling on life - even as it was redirected to more vital areas; missiles simply went right through, striking against the hull. Some of them hit gun emplacements, disabling them in one way or another; a few managed to land near entry points - potentially scaring those who were about to leave, yet the hull itself still held strong as it continued to get struck by weapons of all caliber.
On the ground... if someone didn't know any better, they'd swear it was a lightshow of sort. Plasma, lasers, bullets, and rockets all were fired indiscriminately, and yet it seemed to create more cover than destroy it. However as fighting picked up, first casualties started popping up on all sides. A couple of lucky shots took down Gornaki turret operators with their heavy weaponry, followed by other personnel that was around. In response to that, more were sent out. This time, proper soldiers. They shoved their less experienced comrades away, as heavy weapons got manned again and forced Coalition scouts to dig in.

More bombs were dropped by Estagrian bombers, mostly striking the hull this time; the fighter squadrons sent to fight for air supremacy started doing strafing runs around the UFO, aiming for what encampments Gornaki have built. 32nd Airborne Division was just entering area of operations, and would still take some time to reach the landing zones.
OOC: Sorry for late response and what not. Took some time to take care of myself and ended up getting sick /shrug

OOC: sorry to hear that man, hope you get better. I’ll respond on the weekend, got two English papers to study for

The manchu republic and Esagreum

AskLibertas

What’s the best or wittiest comeback you have ever heard?

Darnolia wrote:AskLibertas

What’s the best or wittiest comeback you have ever heard?

"I wrote the damn bill!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhTXgM7lnzQ

The manchu republic

Ienovo wrote:Frostnia, Nooo!!

May he rest in peace.

*Salute*

Ienovo, The manchu republic, and The pioneer valley

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Darnolia

Here’s an alternative history idea. What if the Weimar Republic didn’t fall? How would Germany fare if, just after Hitler took power, a massive uprising destroyed him and the extremist (nationalist and communist) parties?

Edit: rephrased some words

The manchu republic and Esrila

The manchu republic

Darnolia wrote:Here’s an alternative history idea. What if the Weimar Republic didn’t fall? How would Germany fare if, just after Hitler took power, a massive uprising destroyed him and the nationalist parties?

OCC:The German communist likely would have taken their place, Weimar was pretty weak and suffered from never ending snap elections, I think the KDP likely would have gotten power as support for Weimar kept falling,

The manchu republic wrote:OCC:The German communist likely would have taken their place, Weimar was pretty weak and suffered from never ending snap elections, I think the KDP likely would have gotten power as support for Weimar kept falling,

By nationalist I meant extremist, as in nationalist AND communist.

The manchu republic

Darnolia wrote:Here’s an alternative history idea. What if the Weimar Republic didn’t fall? How would Germany fare if, just after Hitler took power, a massive uprising destroyed him and the extremist (nationalist and communist) parties?

Edit: rephrased some words

Should rephrase it to radical rather than extremist, probably :p But just my opinion.
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One way or another, you're getting radicals.
Weimar Republic was bound to collapse... thanks to France. They've pushed for the kind of reparations Germany had no hopes of repaying, which led to an economic disaster and only got worse with Great Depression. So, there are two scenarios to consider.
If Treaty of Versailles is unchanged - let's imagine Hitler does not come to power. That means KPD's Stalinist regime replaces it instead. Overall, it would lead to same situation, but this time Comintern vs Allies + Italy and I imagine that this would lead to Stalinist Europe against independent but isolated British Empire with United States and their combined spheres of influence in Cold War. Pacific Front would be a separate conflict and you'd see similar atrocities on both fronts. However, we'd avoid Holocaust. Hitler would likely be executed or he'd run off to Austria.
If the Treaty is changed to more reasonable terms, then you'll get a weak democratic government that nonetheless survives the Depression, but would have to fight a coalition of KPD and NSDAP (Communists in Germany were actually willing to cooperate until NSDAP attacked them, iirc. Don't quote me on that though). If that coalition doesn't happen, they're going to do very well in their new society. We'd end up having a repeat of WW1 but with Soviets as enemy, unless they learn to execute lightning warfare doctrine (or, y'know, Blitzkrieg). However that war would be a failure for Soviets and they'd collapse early. Assuming Japan avoids a war against democratic regimes, you'd get a Cold War between Japan and Allies.

If Hitler is removed from power after election... uprising wouldn't be any good with his support back then. KPD would get destroyed in a fight at this point.
So, a coup it is - which means that we get a toned-down NSDAP government which could probably win WW2 against both Allies and Comintern. Furthermore, it would avoid inviting American intervention by declaring war in solidarity with Japan.
This would lead to a fascist Europe, Soviet remnants in Siberia, and American-led democratic organization. Japan would still get itself kicked though.
Alternatively, open coup against Nazi party by the military. In this case, we'll get a junta that could potentially try to reform the Empire but that's just dumb. They'd probably try to return to Prussian ideals but eventually give way to a heavily militarized democracy and be the bulwark against Soviets.

 

Whatever happens, World War 2 would still end up happening too. That's just inevitable.
However there are too many variables to consider and way too many scenarios with way too many endings for each. You could play Hearts of Iron for this sort of stuff ;p

Esagreum wrote:Should rephrase it to radical rather than extremist, probably :p But just my opinion.
______
One way or another, you're getting radicals.
Weimar Republic was bound to collapse... thanks to France. They've pushed for the kind of reparations Germany had no hopes of repaying, which led to an economic disaster and only got worse with Great Depression. So, there are two scenarios to consider.
If Treaty of Versailles is unchanged - let's imagine Hitler does not come to power. That means KPD's Stalinist regime replaces it instead. Overall, it would lead to same situation, but this time Comintern vs Allies + Italy and I imagine that this would lead to Stalinist Europe against independent but isolated British Empire with United States and their combined spheres of influence in Cold War. Pacific Front would be a separate conflict and you'd see similar atrocities on both fronts. However, we'd avoid Holocaust. Hitler would likely be executed or he'd run off to Austria.
If the Treaty is changed to more reasonable terms, then you'll get a weak democratic government that nonetheless survives the Depression, but would have to fight a coalition of KPD and NSDAP (Communists in Germany were actually willing to cooperate until NSDAP attacked them, iirc. Don't quote me on that though). If that coalition doesn't happen, they're going to do very well in their new society. We'd end up having a repeat of WW1 but with Soviets as enemy, unless they learn to execute lightning warfare doctrine (or, y'know, Blitzkrieg). However that war would be a failure for Soviets and they'd collapse early. Assuming Japan avoids a war against democratic regimes, you'd get a Cold War between Japan and Allies.

If Hitler is removed from power after election... uprising wouldn't be any good with his support back then. KPD would get destroyed in a fight at this point.
So, a coup it is - which means that we get a toned-down NSDAP government which could probably win WW2 against both Allies and Comintern. Furthermore, it would avoid inviting American intervention by declaring war in solidarity with Japan.
This would lead to a fascist Europe, Soviet remnants in Siberia, and American-led democratic organization. Japan would still get itself kicked though.
Alternatively, open coup against Nazi party by the military. In this case, we'll get a junta that could potentially try to reform the Empire but that's just dumb. They'd probably try to return to Prussian ideals but eventually give way to a heavily militarized democracy and be the bulwark against Soviets.

 

Whatever happens, World War 2 would still end up happening too. That's just inevitable.
However there are too many variables to consider and way too many scenarios with way too many endings for each. You could play Hearts of Iron for this sort of stuff ;p

I don’t have Hearts of Iron

Esagreum

Darnolia wrote:One of them flat out insulted me XD. Talk about sensitive.OOC: sorry to hear that man, hope you get better. I’ll respond on the weekend, got two English papers to study for

So that was a ducking lie, barely studied lol. I’ll try to respond on Sunday if I remember. I’ve been hiking for the last couple days, so that might explain why I haven’t had much energy.

Esagreum

Esagreum wrote:Should rephrase it to radical rather than extremist, probably :p But just my opinion.
______
One way or another, you're getting radicals.
Weimar Republic was bound to collapse... thanks to France. They've pushed for the kind of reparations Germany had no hopes of repaying, which led to an economic disaster and only got worse with Great Depression. So, there are two scenarios to consider.
If Treaty of Versailles is unchanged - let's imagine Hitler does not come to power. That means KPD's Stalinist regime replaces it instead. Overall, it would lead to same situation, but this time Comintern vs Allies + Italy and I imagine that this would lead to Stalinist Europe against independent but isolated British Empire with United States and their combined spheres of influence in Cold War. Pacific Front would be a separate conflict and you'd see similar atrocities on both fronts. However, we'd avoid Holocaust. Hitler would likely be executed or he'd run off to Austria.
If the Treaty is changed to more reasonable terms, then you'll get a weak democratic government that nonetheless survives the Depression, but would have to fight a coalition of KPD and NSDAP (Communists in Germany were actually willing to cooperate until NSDAP attacked them, iirc. Don't quote me on that though). If that coalition doesn't happen, they're going to do very well in their new society. We'd end up having a repeat of WW1 but with Soviets as enemy, unless they learn to execute lightning warfare doctrine (or, y'know, Blitzkrieg). However that war would be a failure for Soviets and they'd collapse early. Assuming Japan avoids a war against democratic regimes, you'd get a Cold War between Japan and Allies.

If Hitler is removed from power after election... uprising wouldn't be any good with his support back then. KPD would get destroyed in a fight at this point.
So, a coup it is - which means that we get a toned-down NSDAP government which could probably win WW2 against both Allies and Comintern. Furthermore, it would avoid inviting American intervention by declaring war in solidarity with Japan.
This would lead to a fascist Europe, Soviet remnants in Siberia, and American-led democratic organization. Japan would still get itself kicked though.
Alternatively, open coup against Nazi party by the military. In this case, we'll get a junta that could potentially try to reform the Empire but that's just dumb. They'd probably try to return to Prussian ideals but eventually give way to a heavily militarized democracy and be the bulwark against Soviets.

 

Whatever happens, World War 2 would still end up happening too. That's just inevitable.
However there are too many variables to consider and way too many scenarios with way too many endings for each. You could play Hearts of Iron for this sort of stuff ;p

The Treaty of Versailles hit a terrible spot. It humiliated, but didn't truly weaken Germany. It either needed to hit their pride less, or their industry more.

Publica wrote:The Treaty of Versailles hit a terrible spot. It humiliated, but didn't truly weaken Germany. It either needed to hit their pride less, or their industry more.

They decided that hurting the wallet will be fine because that's what Germany did to France after Franco-Prussian War in 1870 (aside from Alsace-Lorraine region)... which was what France did to Prussia during Napoleonic Wars... So it was just a competition in pettiness.

Esagreum wrote:They decided that hurting the wallet will be fine because that's what Germany did to France after Franco-Prussian War in 1870 (aside from Alsace-Lorraine region)... which was what France did to Prussia during Napoleonic Wars... So it was just a competition in pettiness.

So for the Weimar Republic to survive, the treaty would have to be less harsh on Germany, and there would have to be more support for the republic?

Darnolia wrote:So for the Weimar Republic to survive, the treaty would have to be less harsh on Germany, and there would have to be more support for the republic?

Reparations of Versailles were cancelled in 1932, and even then Germany was left with insane amount of debt that they only finished paying off in 2010 apparently.
Prior to that they were hit with a massive hyperinflation - because they wanted to print out more money so they can pay out faster. Turns out that wasn't a good idea. However, supposed reparations total translates into... about 5 times of net worth of Jeff Bezos apparently.

So basically, lighter reparations and smarter government ministers would mean Weimar could survive (but that's a big imo) into alternate WW2 and thus end up as a defender instead of aggressor. Unless they still end up with a case of acute revanchism.

Hello everyone, I had a little personal problem ...
But everything is more or less resolved and so I came back ...

Ienovo, The pioneer valley, and Esrila

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