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The divine republic of gilead

Cyberpunker wrote:That explains it. You don't believe in God, at least the God of the Bible.

Perhaps, but I still aim to understand religion and engage with those that are faithful to build a a more welcoming and inclusive world. There are a lot of things in the Bible that are considered sinful, but society has realized that morality differs greatly from person to person, so to build a world that can function cohesively, we have to accept that our beliefs do not always match 100%. There are things I do not find moral, i.e.: hunting animals simply for sport, but I do not believe in drafting laws to prevent it. I only seek to open a dialogue with others, not cause any trouble.

The divine republic of gilead

Nauvoo-zion wrote:Love as God teaches is exemplified in the Crucifixion; Christ loves us as we are and loves us enough not to leave us as we are. If a homosexual wants to know Christian love, let him behold the Cross and nail his earthly passions to it.

I can not tell if you are serious or not, but either way, suggesting gay people crucify themselves is a horrible thing to recommend. Shame on you.

Union of christian states

The divine republic of gilead wrote:I can not tell if you are serious or not, but either way, suggesting gay people crucify themselves is a horrible thing to recommend. Shame on you.

That's not even remotely close to what he said

Ecclestia, Druton, and Nauvoo-zion

The divine republic of gilead wrote:I can not tell if you are serious or not, but either way, suggesting gay people crucify themselves is a horrible thing to recommend. Shame on you.

I think what he was saying is the idea that Christ died on the cross even though he was blameless he was nailed to the cross with our sins. That is say he felt the weight of all of our sins while he was on the cross. And the metaphor is that if you were to look at the cross you could your sins on there.

Druton

The divine republic of gilead wrote:I can not tell if you are serious or not, but either way, suggesting gay people crucify themselves is a horrible thing to recommend. Shame on you.

Are you trolling? I can't see any other way you could misinterpret something so bad unless you were doing it on purpose

Nauvoo-zion

Mendevia wrote:I think what he was saying is the idea that Christ died on the cross even though he was blameless he was nailed to the cross with our sins. That is say he felt the weight of all of our sins while he was on the cross. And the metaphor is that if you were to look at the cross you could your sins on there.

If you want Resurrection, you must embrace Crucifixion, you must crucify your passions: lust, pride, hate, whatever it may be. We must put the Old Adam to death so that the New Adam may grant us life and embrace our crosses as something to be endured. For me, it’s pornography addiction, for another it may be homosexuality, but we must put these things within us to death all the same or we can never have life in Christ. Whosoever shall save his life shall lose it, but he who loses his life for Christ’s sake will have eternal life.

We must die before we die so that we will not die when we die.

Druton

The divine republic of gilead

Druton wrote:Are you trolling? I can't see any other way you could misinterpret something so bad unless you were doing it on purpose

No, I am not trying to troll at all. Perhaps I misunderstood and I ask your patience. Now I sort of see a relationship to the meaning of Jihad in Islam. I spoke with and Imam once and he explained the real meaning of the term, not to conduct violence against others, but wage a fight of self-improvement to improve one's-self in terms of morality, religiously speaking. I apologize if I did not get the meaning of what Nauvoo-Zion said.

The divine republic of gilead

Union of christian states wrote:That's not even remotely close to what he said

No, I am not trying to troll at all. Perhaps I misunderstood and I ask your patience. Now I sort of see a relationship to the meaning of Jihad in Islam. I spoke with and Imam once and he explained the real meaning of the term, not to conduct violence against others, but wage a fight of self-improvement to improve one's-self in terms of morality, religiously speaking. I apologize if I did not get the meaning of what Nauvoo-Zion said.

Nauvoo-zion wrote:It all depends on how we define love. The world would define it as letting them do whatever they want; they demand social services of us but scream in revulsion when we teach the Gospel. What they don’t understand is that the Church’s first responsibility is to save souls, everything else comes second

I totally agree that in this post-modern world self-gratification and individualism are celebrated and promoted. This definitely isn’t the Bible’s definition of love - the Bible’s view is so much more beautiful.

The word translated as ‘love’ in our English Bibles is the word ‘agape’ in Greek. I did some homework and found this as a description of its meaning:

[Agape] embraces a universal, unconditional love that transcends and persists regardless of circumstance. It goes beyond just the emotions to the extent of seeking the best for others.

It’s so all encompassing and profound - it just makes me love Jesus even more.

It’s an interesting conclusion you’ve drawn re: the Church’s first responsibility.

The great commission is so important to our mission as Christians and I think it’s something we don’t talk about enough. Few things it got me thinking of: (A) I’ve always seen it as God being the one that does the saving not the Church. (B) It’s made me question whether the great commission really is our first responsibility.

I’ve always seen living and acting the 2 greatest commandments as the central pillar to our mission as Christians:

Mark 12:29-31: “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength. The second is this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment greater than these.

It ties in quite strongly with John 13:34-35

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

As I see it from this, our primary responsibility as disciples of Jesus is to agape just as he did. I see this as not dividing people into specific groups e.g the givers and receivers, the rich the poor, the migrant the citizen etc. but taking everyone as they are, showing and demonstrating agape in everything and showing people that Jesus loves them and that God has for us a way to live and follow which is so much better than what this world has to offer.

Peace, love and grace to you all.

[quote=sanpine;36183836]A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”/quote]

I agree wholeheartedly, and I don't hate anyone for having homosexual thoughts, but I would treat it the same way I see any other sin. If someone has anger issues, I would try and help them through it. If someone has a problem with alcoholism, I would try and help them through that too. I don't see having homosexual thoughts different than any other sin.

If a friend came to me and told me they were gay, I would comfort them, but I would try to help them overcome that urge. I would absolutely not yell at them or hate them, but like I said before, I would try and help them through it.

Love doesn't mean the same thing as acceptance. Extreme example: Your best friend tells you he is a pedophile. You don't accept him as a pedophile, you don't tell him "Love is love", you try and get him help to overcome it. That's an example which is on the extreme end, but my point still stands.

Nauvoo-zion

The divine republic of gilead wrote:No, I am not trying to troll at all. Perhaps I misunderstood and I ask your patience. Now I sort of see a relationship to the meaning of Jihad in Islam. I spoke with and Imam once and he explained the real meaning of the term, not to conduct violence against others, but wage a fight of self-improvement to improve one's-self in terms of morality, religiously speaking. I apologize if I did not get the meaning of what Nauvoo-Zion said.

No apology necessary, it can be difficult to interpret tone and inflections via text.

The divine republic of gilead

Nauvoo-zion wrote:No apology necessary, it can be difficult to interpret tone and inflections via text.

Exactly. Morality is always a difficult landscape for people to traverse, no matter the forum. The only thing I can not abide by is outright hatred, which doesn't seem to be problem here. I like discussion, even debate, I just hope that my words are not interpreted as trying to be insulting or stated as irrefutable fact, they are simply my points of view. The Bible can be difficult to understand at times, in particular with regards to the difference in tone when it comes to sin and the distribution of punishment in the Old Testament, versus the more accepting and forgiving tone of the New Testament. I can't remember which nation member said it, but they seemed to view the Old Testament more as a telling of history rather than a guide on how to live, while the New Testament was more suited to guiding how we live. I guess that's why we typically studied the New Testament in Catholic school over the Old Testament lol.

The divine republic of gilead wrote:Exactly. Morality is always a difficult landscape for people to traverse, no matter the forum. The only thing I can not abide by is outright hatred, which doesn't seem to be problem here. I like discussion, even debate, I just hope that my words are not interpreted as trying to be insulting or stated as irrefutable fact, they are simply my points of view. The Bible can be difficult to understand at times, in particular with regards to the difference in tone when it comes to sin and the distribution of punishment in the Old Testament, versus the more accepting and forgiving tone of the New Testament. I can't remember which nation member said it, but they seemed to view the Old Testament more as a telling of history rather than a guide on how to live, while the New Testament was more suited to guiding how we live. I guess that's why we typically studied the New Testament in Catholic school over the Old Testament lol.

Granted, but the laws of Christ are harder than the laws of the Hebrews. Israel was told that adultery was sin, but Christ says that EVEN TO LUST is adulterous.

Druton

does the WA force you to legalize laws they pass even if you vote against?

O God, you have taken to yourself the blessed Virgin Mary, mother of your incarnate Son: Grant that we, who have been redeemed by his blood, may share with her the glory of your eternal kingdom; through Jesus Christ our Lord, who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, one God, now and forever. Amen.

Nauvoo-zion

Costa rica2 wrote:does the WA force you to legalize laws they pass even if you vote against?

If you are in the World Assembly then they do take place, yes. It's not so much an enforcement issue since it's all roleplaying anyway and nothing really changes in your country. To give you an example, I believe is abortion is currently allowed in WA although it's been debated for years and they might have repealed it I'd have to check. Anyway when I look at the policies of my country it says that abortion is illegal despite me being in the WA.

What the laws that are passed do is either increase or decrease the civil rights percentage that you see on your nation's stats page. There is even a law that gives penalties to people who do not follow the laws that are passed, but that is also roleplaying and if you say you will not enforce or follow these laws it's up to you to yell about it in the WA forums. Now I could be wrong, but this is how I remember it being.

To expand on this say there was a bill that said everyone had to eat cheese on Tuesday and it gets passed. Well how is that enforceable? This internet game that we play does not have the ability to actually enforce that at the moment.

The divine republic of gilead wrote:Perhaps, but I still aim to understand religion and engage with those that are faithful to build a a more welcoming and inclusive world. There are a lot of things in the Bible that are considered sinful, but society has realized that morality differs greatly from person to person, so to build a world that can function cohesively, we have to accept that our beliefs do not always match 100%. There are things I do not find moral, i.e.: hunting animals simply for sport, but I do not believe in drafting laws to prevent it. I only seek to open a dialogue with others, not cause any trouble.

Like haveing a concubine and polygamy.

Shalom everyone <3

Mendevia wrote:If you are in the World Assembly then they do take place, yes. It's not so much an enforcement issue since it's all roleplaying anyway and nothing really changes in your country. To give you an example, I believe is abortion is currently allowed in WA although it's been debated for years and they might have repealed it I'd have to check. Anyway when I look at the policies of my country it says that abortion is illegal despite me being in the WA.

What the laws that are passed do is either increase or decrease the civil rights percentage that you see on your nation's stats page. There is even a law that gives penalties to people who do not follow the laws that are passed, but that is also roleplaying and if you say you will not enforce or follow these laws it's up to you to yell about it in the WA forums. Now I could be wrong, but this is how I remember it being.

To expand on this say there was a bill that said everyone had to eat cheese on Tuesday and it gets passed. Well how is that enforceable? This internet game that we play does not have the ability to actually enforce that at the moment.

Thank You

Mendevia and Sanpine

Greeting from the Union of Christian Nations and hope that you're all well :)

Mendevia, Sanpine, and Druton

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I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
The love that asks no questions, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters, she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And around her feet are lying the dying and the dead;
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns;
I haste to thee, mother, a son among thy sons.

Gildaar

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,
Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;
The love that asks no questions, the love that stands the test,
That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;
The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,
The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.

And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,
Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;
We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;
Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;
And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,
And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

I heard my country calling, away across the sea,
Across the waste of waters, she calls and calls to me.
Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,
And around her feet are lying the dying and the dead;
I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns;
I haste to thee, mother, a son among thy sons.

I always loved that song.

Union of christian states

If y'all wouldn't mind, keep my area, Beaumont/Houston, Texas, in your prayers. We're being hit by a tropical storm at the moment that is causing worse flooding than Hurricane Harvey did a year ago. I'm fine, high and dry with water, power, and wifi still working, I can't say the same for most people around me though.

Mendevia, Sanpine, and Druton

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