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Ejoland wrote:

OOC response to Drussian

I should (don´t know for sure if I will find the fortitude to do it) write a long answer as King Maxim III. But here are a couple of OOC notions, which can be good to know if you discuss these things with Maxim.

The succession you described here sound like the British succession to me. Back in the days, most heraditary monarchies had a much stronger male preference in their successions. That is also the case with Ejorike, which will allow a Princess to inherit the throne only if there is no Prince to inherit it. The notion of gender equal successions, had its breakthrough with symbolic monarchies in modern times. So Nicolaus X really do not have to explain to Maxim III that Drussian have male preference in its succession. If anything, it rather come off as odd to Maxim that the male preference is not stronger.

Just like it was during the nineteenth century, Ejorikean royalty normally marry only within the ranks of royalty. In order to be a Prince or Princess, one must be born in a royal marriage, and not marry anyone who is not royal. If a Prince and Princess marry and get children together, their children will in turn be Princes and Princesses. For a monarch to marry a non-royal woman, even an aristocratic one, is unthinkable to King Maxim III. Unless he marry her "to the left" of course, but that is not what we talk about here.
I can not help to wonder about the reasoning behind this. The usual argument for why it is ok for teenagers to have sex with each other but not with someone significantly older, is that the age difference often entail a power imbalance. That is a fair point, but in a old-fashioned absolute or near absolute monarchy, I would assume that immense power imbalances tend to be the course of the day and often are seen as a natural part of life.

If families can betroth their children and pressure them into marriage, I would expect this to come into conflict with some modern concerns about not taking advantage of someone. If you let those concerns go out the window, I find it hard to understand how you fit in such a modern view of age of consent.

If you just think it feel to iffy to let an adult man make babies with his 15 year old wife (the way it was IRL back in the days, when girls could marry that young), then I think it would be more easy to explain if Drussian society just had a 18 year age limit for sex and marriages altogether.

I also have a question for Qassadia: how long time (in game) have there been since Prince Rolo of Cassadia and Princess Klara Octavia of Ejorike were introduced to each other, and do you think they have married yet?

In relation to your inquiry: ICly the time of the dynastic marriage between the House of Peacekraft and Lejon would now be -- 5 years, as the bethrodal of Rolo and Klara took place in 2018. Pertaining to the wedding itself, Empress Relena at the time, like all previous monarchs before her when it came to a foreign marriage -- would have demanded that the bethrodal be officiated in a ceremony under thr witness and blessings of the Cassadian Orthodox Church of Christ, and thus have both bethroded take vows under its patronage, which as a matter of fact, outside of its own denomination (established in the early 16th century by Christian V in an event known as the Great Severence due to several developments that were occurring at the time as a consequence of a chain of past events, centuries in the making -- see more about that on the Bellverse discord server) officially regards as "apostate-heretics" outside of a three vassalized patriarchates of Yemrod, Drussia and Sakras with which the Cassadian Orthodox Church of Christ is in communion with.

To add something which may draw your interest, unlike nearly all countries in the world: Cassadia as a state has no legal recourses or mechanisms written into the country's lawful framework, especially on matters concerning social issues in particular, which have to conform with the views of the Cassadia's national church. An uncircumventable legal bar around which even the Royal Decrees and the Empress' Crown-Government Directives have to be properly framed and worded in accordance with the Magesterial teachings and theology of the Cassadian Orthodox Church of Christ.

Thus, to put it shortly -- neither spouse can divorce the other or legally seperate as the law of Cassadia provides no such mechanism to its citizens. Outside of a special process of annulment which only a religious court chaired by clergy specially trained in such matters can adjudicate as secular courts have no legal jurisdiction to arbitrate over such issues.

To divert this away somewhat from the matter of discussion. I'd like to render my gratitude for addressing some of my queries I put forward for you to look into and I am grateful in that you took a moment of your precious time to do so and wire a TG detailing your take on the matter. Furthermore, I would like to apologize for the sluggish pace at which it took me to put up a sufficiently timely response.

To return back to the topic at hand. I wager that by that time, from their first day as a wedded couple until our present day IRL, it is likely that both may have got it on, if you know what I mean, to have sired heirs. Perhaps with the first being a healthy male-born child, at least on the surface as male members of the Peacekraft dynasty are known to have recurring heart problems, as shown by the untimely demise of Relena and Rolo's father, Charles VII, who died of a massive heart attack in late 2011.

Granted, that of course cannot be agreed upon without your input on the issue.

And to conclude this with a question directed at you: If Ejorike adheres to the ancient statutes of the Sallic Law, and if Maxim happens to have no male heirs to succeed him on the throne, wouldn't that by legal technicality make Rolo the lawful heir-apparent to the Ejorikean throne barring extraordinary change in the law of succession clears the way for Klara to assume the throne in place of Rolo.

There can be well established rationale behind it, as it is likely, I reckon, that not a small segment of the aristocracy would oppose for this predicament to stand. Especially if Maxim's father and mother-in-law from his wife's side approach him to voice their protest strongest opposition to the way in which things are arrayed in regards for a foreign Royal hailing from Ejorike's historical archnemesis to ascend a throne for which Maxim's ancestors would prefer it to be torn down than in a revolution than to see a Peacekraft sit on it. A member of a dynasty whose country Ejorike expended its finest and bottomless amount of treasure and blood to prevent Cassadia's rise as a regional power, only to see the hope of that quest dashed against decades of war and the tenacious political, economic and military commitment of Cassadia.

Ejoland wrote:

You have already asked me that question, in a telegram some time ago. I answered in a telegram a few days ago:

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Hello. I know it have taken some time, but I think I have a conclusive answer to these questions now.

First of all, it is not that likely to happen. The Ejorikean succession have a strong male preference. In order for Princess Klara Octavia to inherit the throne, there would have to be no Ejorikean Prince left to inherit it. If there is no son to inherit the throne when the King dies, it will instead go to the oldest brother of the dead King. If the oldest brother is not alive, it will go to his oldest son instead, etcetera. Assuming that they are actual Princes, that is. A Prince must be born within a royal marriage, of royal parents, and not marry anyone who is not a Princess.

With that said, if Princess Klara Octavia were to inherit the throne, she would be in charge of the realm, even if she were married. Her husband (Prince Rolo of Cassadia) would get the title Prince Consort of Ejorike. The title "King" is reserved for those who inherited it, and would not apply to the Prince Consort.

In order for the Queen to actually rule her realm effectively, it has to be marked out that her husband is of lower rank. Thus, a Prince Consort is adressed "your Royal Highness", while his wife the Queen is adressed "your Majesty".

This stand in contrast to the normal situation, where the monarch is a King and his wife is the Queen. In that case, they are both adressed "your Majesty". The King being in charge is just so obvious, that this does not threaten his authority.

If we were to play with the idea that Klara Octavia inherit the Ejorikean throne, AND Rolo inherit the Cassadian throne, they would both get to rule their own respective realms, but a marriage between the two monarchs would be seen as ground for a very strong alliance between them. Although strictly spoken not forced to, they would be more or less expected to stand united in their foreign policy. With the patriarchal norms of these countries, Rolo would probably be the one to come to the forefront when speaking to other nations.

If they got children together, and one of these children inherited both realms, that would create a personal union.

As for the matter of Rolo being a foreigner in Ejorike, that would not be much of an issue. Ejorikean royalty normally do not marry anyone who is not royal, so marrying a foreigner is the norm rather than the exception to them. Sure, Ejorike and Cassadia were at war, but makng ties with former enemies have been done by many dynasties many time throughout history.

It would be seen as more of an issue then (if Klara Octava inherited the throne), that Klara Octavia´s children would not be of her dynasty. However, there would be nothing to do about it at that point.

I am currently visiting my sister and her husband, they are colossal history geeks so I asked them about how these things were done during the nineteenth century. So I don´t try to be a jerk by denying Rolo the opportunity to become King of Ejorike, this is based on history.

I was trying to illuminate more on the internal machinations surrounding this union in relation to the factions within the elite who are and would, be trying to clamor for power, favor and influence on Maxim as a way to find themselves jn the good graces of their King.

That faction in question likely being the aristocratic class whose political influence would no doubt have been diminished as a result of the Millenium War nearly twenty years prior.

Wouldn't there be political maneuvering on their part to persuade or even strong-arm Maxim to shut out Rolo's prospects of becoming a King in exchange for them to reaffirm their everlasting fealty as members of the aristocratic peerage to the Ejorikean Crown?

Also on the topic of Maxim's other progeny, you never mentioned if he happened to have any other children and especially sons, not to exclude the hovering question of probable illegitimate children as is and has been common for royals to sire in secret with their paramours?

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