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Uan aa Boa wrote:I'm about half way through that book, and I think I might well remain stuck there. I find it incredibly difficult reading and I fear that overall I'm firmly placed in Ruinenlust's category of complete and utter losers.

I finished the book, but it was in sort of a frenzied, manic way, like I knew if I didn't finish it, it would rattle around in my brain-cage even more loudly. I get the idea of trying to savor the time we have left, as Ruinenlust points out, and I used to be very good at maintaining that perspective. Live each day, live each moment, be present, etc. But then I became a father and now it's much harder to not worry about the future and climate collapse.

I know i've been here for a couple of days now. But i think now's about time i introduced myself. I've already been on NationStates for a few years, but I am here because I was looking for a new region to join.

Kaiseland wrote:I know i've been here for a couple of days now. But i think now's about time i introduced myself. I've already been on NationStates for a few years, but I am here because I was looking for a new region to join.

Welcome to Forest! We are glad to have you here!

I have been in this region for a long time, but Iíve never introduced myself. Hi!

Terropo wrote:I have been in this region for a long time, but Iíve never introduced myself. Hi!

Hiya! Nice to meet you.

United onofria

Welcome to all, just beware of the (occasional) falling Summon Bigger Fish.

Wernher Magnus Maximilian Von Braun wrote:Hi there, I'm a newbie here. The name Wernher Von Braun was taken and reserved by a former nation so I'm Wernher Magnus Maximilian Von Braun. :)

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(Tom Leher)

Ruinenlust wrote:I highly recommend The Uninhabitable Earth to everyone. I devoured that book (almost as fast as we devour resources ~ lol, humor, haha) in like two days about two months ago or something; I donít recall exactly.

He presents a very erudite, succinct account of climate change, and how weíre in so much deeper sh!t than almost everyone is willing to admit.

One of the single most salient points that he makes, in effect, is that the presumptive idea of some bright, happy, gleaming future of opulence and opportunity for all is nonsense. Itís just not going to happen. Weíre speeding towards a cliff at 90mph, and arguments to the effect that ďtechnology will save usĒ would be like saying that if we floor it, maybe the car will sprout magic wings when it leaves the cliff and weíll fly off to a magic land of candy and unicorns and castles. Weíre in the J-shaped curve that comes before the crash, and it may take decades or centuries to play out, but in the grand scheme of things, it will almost certainly be a crash of proportions that would be unimaginable in the past, since the total scale and size of who we are and what we do is much greater than ever before. It both amazes and freaks me out that someone born in the 1920s has lived to see the worldís population triple. Weíre filling up our little, beautiful Petri dish very quickly, and itís not getting any bigger.

And then some people are like, ďhey, letís go live on some as of yet unknown Petri dish in the next room across the hallway.Ē Lol. The idea that we will export ourselves and our ruination of everything across the Solar System, the galaxy, or the universe at large is nothing but extreme hubris, born in the crazed high of a species drunk on worldwide destruction. We are a flash in the pan; a mass coronal ejection of consumption and ecological distortion across the planet. Like all fires, we will burn it all down, except for a few unscathed fragments (one hopes, at least), and then we will go out. And the plastic and radiation will go on. And many species will be lost.

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So just live. And love. Be happy that we are alive now, here, able to do and be and know and experience all of these things. Weíre alive in the actual nexus of the human race, and in an inflection point in the biosphere at large.

It seems like the only way to ďloseĒ or to fail at life, on a personal level, is to not actually derive some enjoyment or pleasure or happiness from it, or to not gain some insight and understanding:

ďWhat did your age do?Ē

ďWe destroyed everything, for everyone, forever.Ē

ďDid you at least get something out of it?Ē

ďNo, I was miserable and despondent over what was happened, even though it was out of my control.Ē

ďThen you utterly, completely lose.Ē

Ok, here's my view. I plant trees. I donate for NGOs that help forests, animals, even people. I try to not waste too much stuff. I walk back from work and don't use cars. I'm planning on putting solar pannels on my roof in the coming years.

Yet it's for nothing. You know why? Because no matter what I do there will be countless others that don't care. My town is the most crowded in Europe in regards to traffic and it's in the world top. I tried to convince someone that they don't need to use a car to come to work. It didn't work. And it was still them that complained when we climbed 6 floors of stairs later because they couldn't breathe anymore from floor 4. Most people are ignorant and don't care of the future. They care only of the present, the now, and, at most, what will happen next week. Telling them that the world will end in 10 years or 50 years or 100 years means they will ignore you. They don't care.

When I was small I had great hopes. I wanted to be a president (before I understood the prime minster does the laws). Then I wanted to be a prime minister. I wanted that to help people, to have everyone thrive in a great environment. Yet I've come to the conclusion that most people only care about themselves and the now. They wouldn't throw a dime to a dying puppy if they had to renounce their cigarette package for the day.

So I'm doing what is best under these circumstances. I won't have children. I will live my life as happy as I can(which is hard since I have depression) and that's that. With some luck the end of the world won't come in the 40-60 years until I die. It will come for the next generation. But when it does I'll know I did at least some things to try and prevent their death. And I'll know I won't have created a life (a child of my own) that would have to suffer through this end.
Humanity gets what it deserves. There's a proverb in my language, "Semeni vant, culegi furtuna" - it means that if you plant wind, your result is storm. It's a metaphor that humanity is currently planting the seeds of its destruction and even if a few are trying to pluck those bad seeds out, there's too many planters.

Eryndlynd wrote:(...) I used to be very good at maintaining that perspective. Live each day, live each moment, be present, etc. But then I became a father and now it's much harder to not worry about the future and climate collapse.

In addition to that, such perspective may work at the personal level, as Ruinenlust put it, by providing a romantic aura to the impending environmental catastrophe, but it seems far less useful at a political level: if we expect people to actually do something about it, telling them to go seize the day and "derive some enjoyment or pleasure or happiness" from the very fact of living on the edge of collapse, might not be the soundest policy. After all, that's exactly what capitalism expects from us: to "seize the day". On the one hand we have poetry, on the other we have politics, and the wellbeing of future generations has little to do with the former. It's not about pessimism vs. optimism, by the way: even if we can't harbor any hopes on a radical shift of our societies away from their Faustian blindness, the truth is that, as Eddie Vedder sings, "you can't be neutral on a moving train".

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i'm not dispondent about the enivronment as such, just the short sighted indifference of a lot of people, who may, hopefully, actually be a minority, toward the possible extinction of the human species and factors human short sightedness is contributing to bringing that about.

i am annoyed, when people praise the very things, and main stream media is guilty of doing this too, as is the dominant 'mainstream' culture in the u.s., that contribute to and are the problem. long list short, transportation policy equalling the automobile and population "growth" praised and underlyingly assumed to be desireable.

no. gay isn't bad because it potentially reduces the birth rate. it is GOOD, very very good, precisely because it does.
and so are most other things that might not.

you can't breathe the green ink on a dollar bill, no matter how many are printed, or how impressive a corporate enterprise can make itself look.

and the wrong kind of leadership seeming perpetually popular,
its like good looking members of which ever sex you're attracted to,
seeming to always prefer the excitement of mates and company who abuse then.

but i think a lot of assumptions are made about tendencies built into humans as a species.
assumptions made, or voiced, to make excuses, for individual's short shortsightedness.

time will tell. there are dice being rolled. and the future is never set in concrete.

we hear bits of good news all the time. like clean energy having gained more economic appeal then the burning of fossils.
its not all gloom. its not all any one anything.

but it is something, we each have to think about what our own personal priorities and perspectives are creating and encouraging.

Eryndlynd wrote:I finished the book, but it was in sort of a frenzied, manic way, like I knew if I didn't finish it, it would rattle around in my brain-cage even more loudly. I get the idea of trying to savor the time we have left, as Ruinenlust points out, and I used to be very good at maintaining that perspective. Live each day, live each moment, be present, etc. But then I became a father and now it's much harder to not worry about the future and climate collapse.

The real issue is that the people actually committing these crimes work to ensure that youíre the one whose worried and also that youíre the one responsible. The biggest gaslight of the world is that individual everyday citizens are responsible for the worlds trouble. We donít recycle enough, we donít bike or drive electric enough, we donít put our life savings into solar, we eat too much meat, we buy too much plastic, we donít protest enough and we donít vote enough.

Iím sick of the gaslighting. Our climate and most of our world is in danger because of rich corporations and greed. We lack the agency and power in society to make any real change and we donít even lambast the people actually responsible.

The Cypher Nine wrote:The real issue is that the people actually committing these crimes work to ensure that youíre the one whose worried and also that youíre the one responsible. The biggest gaslight of the world is that individual everyday citizens are responsible for the worlds trouble. We donít recycle enough, we donít bike or drive electric enough, we donít put our life savings into solar, we eat too much meat, we buy too much plastic, we donít protest enough and we donít vote enough.

Iím sick of the gaslighting. Our climate and most of our world is in danger because of rich corporations and greed. We lack the agency and power in society to make any real change and we donít even lambast the people actually responsible.

It's worse than that- we actively go out of our way to defend and stick up for the interests of the giant companies who are responsible for the environmental damage. For example, did you know that 3 times as many people in the United States install and maintain solar panels than mine coal? Yet, every election, we see politicians swoop in trying to outdo each other as to who the most pro-coal of the lot and every renewable initiative is mocked as pie in the sky.

It's even worse when the most obviously effective method of generating carbon free electricity, nuclear power, is routinely caricatured as some kind of ticking nuke too dangerous to invest in. As if we haven't learned anything in the 30 years since Chernobyl.

The worst part is that gaslighting is so common that millions of people believe climate change isn't even happening when the ice at the poles is melting so quickly the scientists are losing their monitoring equipment.

The Cypher Nine wrote:The real issue is that the people actually committing these crimes work to ensure that youíre the one whose worried and also that youíre the one responsible. The biggest gaslight of the world is that individual everyday citizens are responsible for the worlds trouble. We donít recycle enough, we donít bike or drive electric enough, we donít put our life savings into solar, we eat too much meat, we buy too much plastic, we donít protest enough and we donít vote enough.

Iím sick of the gaslighting. Our climate and most of our world is in danger because of rich corporations and greed. We lack the agency and power in society to make any real change and we donít even lambast the people actually responsible.

You're right! we must end the great corporations, they only bring evil to the world, why do we allow something like that to exist !? Let's go now, brothers and sisters, banish the greedy and malicious corporations of us ... Wait a minute, my pizza delivered by a giant nuclear fission robot just arrived, man, this was fast! and for only kn$9.99 can you imagine? .. well I guess we can figure it out another time, my favorite series will already start "Tree / X \ Meteor - season 2".

United onofria

I'm sure that in the end, somehow, postmodern irony will save the day.

United onofria wrote:Anyone wanna RP?

I'm always around, if lazy & very exotic.

My ecofriendliness/environmental beauty has gone way up since coming here, but my employment has suffered. It sits in the upper 60s.

United onofria

I wish this RMB was more active

United onofria wrote:I wish this RMB was more active

We are of like forest: is slow move & only when need, but not of bad thing.

The Filippinas wrote:*lurks through the Forest*

*peers through binoculars at this mysterious presence*

United onofria wrote:I wish this RMB was more active

This is the most active RMB of all of the regions I am a part of. Usually I actually have trouble keeping up. But it is summertime (at least in the northern hemisphere), so folks are often much more busy with real-life stuff.

United onofria wrote:I wish this RMB was more active

I havenít been on here in a while but as others have said it can be very busy and has slow periods.

I'd love to expand my card collection capability but I have not gotten a button for "Upgrade" anywhere?

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