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Lavrokrazhia wrote:It was born out of my realisation that in the long run, the Polish-Russian enmity serves only one purpose: Western division of the Slavic people as means of conquest.

...that was oddly... how do you say it... philosophical..?

South St Maarten, The Twelve Tribes, Lavrokrazhia, and Grosseres deutsches reich

Lavrokrazhia

Feria-Alkaline wrote:...that was oddly... how do you say it... philosophical..?

Think about it, if the West views Russia/large independent Slavic state as the enemy, wouldn’t it want to prevent other Slavic states from allying themselves with the larger Slavic power? Thus, the West puts a wedge between states that might have mutual interests.

This has happened before with the SFR Yugoslavia. SFR Yugoslavia was no enemy of the West, but it would not join NATO. Then, suddenly the wars start and the West supports the separatist movements (Slovenija, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo). Croatia, Slovenija, and Crna Gora are now NATO members. Soon, independent Serbia will be surrounded by NATO/EU members and will most likely buckle under the pressure. NATO-led Yugoslavia will have been achieved.

Nort alliance

The bush-clinton duel dynasty wrote:Noted as possible threat to Petro-Dollar...

Why not use clean energy?

Do you not have the technology? I can help you.

The bush-clinton duel dynasty

Nort alliance wrote:Why not use clean energy?

Do you not have the technology? I can help you.

Nah, Oil gives us global power. It keeps the Dollar relevant.

Lavrokrazhia wrote:Think about it, if the West views Russia/large independent Slavic state as the enemy, wouldn’t it want to prevent other Slavic states from allying themselves with the larger Slavic power? Thus, the West puts a wedge between states that might have mutual interests.

This has happened before with the SFR Yugoslavia. SFR Yugoslavia was no enemy of the West, but it would not join NATO. Then, suddenly the wars start and the West supports the separatist movements (Slovenija, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo). Croatia, Slovenija, and Crna Gora are now NATO members. Soon, independent Serbia will be surrounded by NATO/EU members and will most likely buckle under the pressure. NATO-led Yugoslavia will have been achieved.

Crna Gora=Montenegro, in case someone doesn't understand.

Lavrokrazhia

Lavrokrazhia wrote:Think about it, if the West views Russia/large independent Slavic state as the enemy, wouldn’t it want to prevent other Slavic states from allying themselves with the larger Slavic power? Thus, the West puts a wedge between states that might have mutual interests.

This has happened before with the SFR Yugoslavia. SFR Yugoslavia was no enemy of the West, but it would not join NATO. Then, suddenly the wars start and the West supports the separatist movements (Slovenija, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo). Croatia, Slovenija, and Crna Gora are now NATO members. Soon, independent Serbia will be surrounded by NATO/EU members and will most likely buckle under the pressure. NATO-led Yugoslavia will have been achieved.

And Then Liberland will achieve independence!!!!!!

Nort alliance

The bush-clinton duel dynasty wrote:Nah, Oil gives us global power. It keeps the Dollar relevant.

So that's what you want.

Feria-Alkaline wrote:That bill was a disgusting move on your part, you know.

Nort alliance wrote:She's right yknow

I supposed it's "disgusting" to want a non-toxic RMB, is that it?

Lavrokrazhia wrote:Think about it, if the West views Russia/large independent Slavic state as the enemy, wouldn’t it want to prevent other Slavic states from allying themselves with the larger Slavic power? Thus, the West puts a wedge between states that might have mutual interests.

This has happened before with the SFR Yugoslavia. SFR Yugoslavia was no enemy of the West, but it would not join NATO. Then, suddenly the wars start and the West supports the separatist movements (Slovenija, Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo). Croatia, Slovenija, and Crna Gora are now NATO members. Soon, independent Serbia will be surrounded by NATO/EU members and will most likely buckle under the pressure. NATO-led Yugoslavia will have been achieved.

You do realise that NATO members bombed the Bosnians and Croats, right?

Republic of europe

The bush-clinton duel dynasty wrote:Nah, Oil gives us global power. It keeps the Dollar relevant.

No longer use oil cause it destroyed my environment. Now I'm trying to recovet

Ukcs

Lavrokrazhia

Ukcs wrote:You do realise that NATO members bombed the Bosnians and Croats, right?

They did in the midst of the respective wars. Keep in mind that simply bombing a territory doesn't contradict support for a movement in that territory. America bombs Iraq in support of particular Iraqi/Kurdish factions.

Before the Yugoslav Wars, the West actively pursued a programme of Yugoslav disintegration by conditioning IMF loans to Belgrade. These conditions included granting more autonomy to the Republics and allocating funds to nationalist political parties (opposition). Plus, Serbia, then the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, became NATO's principal target. After 1995 and the establishment of sovereign Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia, all attention turned against Belgrade, culminating in the 1999 NATO bombings.

Lavrokrazhia wrote:They did in the midst of the respective wars. But before the wars, the West actively pursued a programme of Yugoslav disintegration by conditioning IMF loans to Belgrade. These conditions included granting more autonomy to the Republics and allocating funds to nationalist political parties (opposition). Plus, Serbia, then the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, became NATO's principal target. After 1995 and the establishment of sovereign Bosnia, Croatia, and Slovenia, all attention turned against Belgrade, culminating in the 1999 NATO bombings.

To be fair though, Serbia was a bit of a dick during the Kosovo War.

(Not saying that NATO and the Kosovars weren't)

Lavrokrazhia

Ukcs wrote:To be fair though, Serbia was a bit of a dick during the Kosovo War.

(Not saying that NATO and the Kosovars weren't)

Nonetheless, the American spin of «humanitarian war» is quite perverse. There were strategic interests involved, and the ethnic tensions (both sides committed atrocities) provided an excellent neo-liberal justification.

And no, I'm no Serb nationalist. I only support Serbia insofar as it acted as the successor to the SFR Yugoslavia (the ideal).

Lavrokrazhia wrote:Nonetheless, the American spin of «humanitarian war» is quite perverse. There were strategic interests involved, and the ethnic tensions (both sides committed atrocities) provided an excellent neo-liberal justification.

And no, I'm no Serb nationalist. I only support Serbia insofar as it acted as the successor to the SFR Yugoslavia (the ideal).

Eh, I wouldn't support any of the factions in the Yugoslav Wars personally. All sides did some absolutely evil things.

Slavonia and Srijem, Yahlia, and Grosseres deutsches reich

War's are a nonsense

Lavrokrazhia

Kirostan wrote:War's are a nonsense

Most of them, yes.

Kirostan, Lavrokrazhia, and Grosseres deutsches reich

Why isn't Ukcs banned, Naifon?

Republic of europe

Qroma wrote:Why isn't Ukcs banned, Naifon?

Oi, there is no reason to ban her thats why

Ukcs

Republic of europe wrote:Oi, there is no reason to ban her thats why

Actually there is. Naifon said so himself.

Kirostan wrote:War’s are a nonsense

Wars of genuine defence, in response to invasion, are more justified than others. Let me present an interesting case of soldiers’ morale in two different scenarios taken from War & Peace (Война и Мир), by graf Lev Tolstoy. I will focus on 1805 and 1812.
In 1805, Russian soldiers are fighting to defend Austria/Germany from Napoléon’s Grande Armée. Their spirits may be high, but the soldiers lack resolve and conviction while fighting for an unknown (to them) geopolitical cause. Eventually the troops break rank at Austerlitz and are defeated.
In 1812, however, the soldiers are fighting to defend their Rodina (motherland). There, the purpose of the war is clear and existential. Despite overwhelming odds and near certainty of death, the troops fight off the French aggressor with unbelievable resolve, resulting in a good-order retreat from Borodino. Graf Tolstoy notes that the defence of the Rodina gives the troops a sense of moral superiority unlike any other and enables them to fight so aggressively.

It is my belief that wars of adventure (geopolitics, expansion, etc.) are far less justified and should be avoided. One of the most beloved states in Europe, the Swiss Confederation, has fought along such principles without succumbing to external enemies after 1815 (Congress of Vienna).

Kirostan, The Twelve Tribes, Republic of europe, and Grosseres deutsches reich

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Lavrokrazhia wrote:Wars of genuine defence, in response to invasion, are more justified than others. Let me present an interesting case of soldiers’ morale in two different scenarios taken from War & Peace (Война и Мир), by graf Lev Tolstoy. I will focus on 1805 and 1812.
In 1805, Russian soldiers are fighting to defend Austria/Germany from Napoléon’s Grande Armée. Their spirits may be high, but the soldiers lack resolve and conviction while fighting for an unknown (to them) geopolitical cause. Eventually the troops break rank at Austerlitz and are defeated.
In 1812, however, the soldiers are fighting to defend their Rodina (motherland). There, the purpose of the war is clear and existential. Despite overwhelming odds and near certainty of death, the troops fight off the French aggressor with unbelievable resolve, resulting in a good-order retreat from Borodino. Graf Tolstoy notes that the defence of the Rodina gives the troops a sense of moral superiority unlike any other and enables them to fight so aggressively.

It is my belief that wars of adventure (geopolitics, expansion, etc.) are far less justified and should be avoided. One of the most beloved states in Europe, the Swiss Confederation, has fought along such principles without succumbing to external enemies after 1815 (Congress of Vienna).

Why do you like Switzerland so much?

Galway-Dublin wrote:Space furry guy has a point

https://youtu.be/yBMziOP8nB4

Qroma wrote:Actually there is. Naifon said so himself.

Naifon

Kindly explain yourself.

Qroma wrote:Why do you like Switzerland so much?

Personally, I respect their principled stance on Neutrality, and the fact they haven't wavered in upholding that principle.

Kirostan, Lavrokrazhia, and Grosseres deutsches reich

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