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Exaequatio wrote:How's everyone? Been quiet...

Work’s been stressful but at this point it’s literally just “that thing I do to not starve while I do what I actually want” which is elucidation and writing.

I have discovered that what I want most in life is to create art and anything that stands on the way of that is not to be respected, including a system which forces me into backbreaking work lest I starve (America really has no value for any kind of art). I have stopped giving a sh*t what happens at work, and so have basically everyone else there, because the supervisors are micromanaging hyper aggressive *ssholes and we also have absolutely no investment in it when we don’t have direct control over our livelihoods and the work is literally just used as a coercive mechanism for control.

All that being said, the writing has been going well. I know I haven’t really updated the facebooks in a while, but for me it’s easier to get it outlined on paper first.

Been having some wonderful ideas for how to move forward.

Essentially, I’m doing a kind of plot where Cinderia was actually seeded as Asgard in order for celestials to prepare for Ragnarok but through the Period of Disillusionment the Asgardian power structure collapsed and left a more modern map of Cinderia. For Cinderia, the people of the planet will have to rediscover their past, weigh it against their present situation, and figure out how to shape their destiny. It’s also an exploration into the spiritual and material connections that trigger Karma and the question of how much and what kind of control does an individual or a group have in their overall destiny.

Exaequatio wrote:How's everyone? Been quiet...

I'm doing alright. Just finished a 9 day work week so I got tomorrow off. Got promoted after a month at my new job. So everything has been going good for me.

How have things been with you?

I've been sick for the last week, but I've started a job in the national parliament here, and I've been learning to skateboard

Petrokovia wrote:Work’s been stressful but at this point it’s literally just “that thing I do to not starve while I do what I actually want” which is elucidation and writing.

I have discovered that what I want most in life is to create art and anything that stands on the way of that is not to be respected, including a system which forces me into backbreaking work lest I starve (America really has no value for any kind of art). I have stopped giving a sh*t what happens at work, and so have basically everyone else there, because the supervisors are micromanaging hyper aggressive *ssholes and we also have absolutely no investment in it when we don’t have direct control over our livelihoods and the work is literally just used as a coercive mechanism for control.

All that being said, the writing has been going well. I know I haven’t really updated the facebooks in a while, but for me it’s easier to get it outlined on paper first.

Been having some wonderful ideas for how to move forward.

Essentially, I’m doing a kind of plot where Cinderia was actually seeded as Asgard in order for celestials to prepare for Ragnarok but through the Period of Disillusionment the Asgardian power structure collapsed and left a more modern map of Cinderia. For Cinderia, the people of the planet will have to rediscover their past, weigh it against their present situation, and figure out how to shape their destiny. It’s also an exploration into the spiritual and material connections that trigger Karma and the question of how much and what kind of control does an individual or a group have in their overall destiny.

Yes I've come to similar conclusions as well. Also, the older I'm getting, the more I want to just have some business like online which gives me enough money to stay alive. That way I don't need to sacrifice my time (which really bothers me about jobs, you only live 70-80 years, and a third of it is already spent sleeping, not including anything else) and have control over my own life. And getting into science has really opened my eyes at just how screwed up it is, making me think deeply if I really want to pursue a research career sometimes. Perhaps its my area of interests that are screwed up, but I digress.

And wow, that definitely sounds like you've been working hard on the project! Sounds very intricate!

Nickel Empire wrote:I'm doing alright. Just finished a 9 day work week so I got tomorrow off. Got promoted after a month at my new job. So everything has been going good for me.

How have things been with you?

Congrats on the promotion! What's your new job?

I've been really busy with research, so same old same old. The good news is I'm almost done with data collection and can start analysis and begin writing my paper and thesis defense in a few months. I'm also trying to find schools/advisers to apply for for a PhD program.

The Grene Knyght wrote:I've been sick for the last week, but I've started a job in the national parliament here, and I've been learning to skateboard

Hope you're starting to feel better! Also congrats on your new job as well!

Nickel Empire wrote:I'm doing alright. Just finished a 9 day work week so I got tomorrow off. Got promoted after a month at my new job. So everything has been going good for me.

How have things been with you?

Nine days straight? Oof, what a ringer. Glad to hear about the promotion though!

The Grene Knyght wrote:I've been sick for the last week, but I've started a job in the national parliament here, and I've been learning to skateboard

Oof! Hope you feel better soon!
What kind of board are you getting? :3

Exaequatio wrote:I've been really busy with research, so same old same old. The good news is I'm almost done with data collection and can start analysis and begin writing my paper and thesis defense in a few months. I'm also trying to find schools/advisers to apply for for a PhD program

Oh what’s your thesis on?

We probably should already know, but at the same time we’ve really only started getting a lot of the data in the headspace sorted so lots of stuff is fuzzy.

Also something weird about being plural that kinda compounds this: each headmates forms their own memories. We’ve had to get good at being co-conscious (multiple people fronting at once or sharing information between each other via direct concept transmission) in order to function in this world.

Like for example speaking as Valerie, if I were the one fronting and you told me something, then asked me later, I’d remember it like normal just as I would imagine most neurotypical people do. But if then Isabella were to front instead of me, and you asked her the same thing, she wouldn’t have a clue unless she, with conscious effort, reached out to me to explain it like asking any other person outside of the headspace.

Like the way info is stored in this brain just doesn’t seem to quite work the same as how most people describe it.

If you guys don’t mind actually, I think plurality would also make for a good discussion topic for our group and I would like to discuss more about my experiences with you guys!

Petrokovia wrote:Work’s been stressful but at this point it’s literally just “that thing I do to not starve while I do what I actually want” which is elucidation and writing.

I have discovered that what I want most in life is to create art and anything that stands on the way of that is not to be respected, including a system which forces me into backbreaking work lest I starve (America really has no value for any kind of art). I have stopped giving a sh*t what happens at work, and so have basically everyone else there, because the supervisors are micromanaging hyper aggressive *ssholes and we also have absolutely no investment in it when we don’t have direct control over our livelihoods and the work is literally just used as a coercive mechanism for control.

All that being said, the writing has been going well. I know I haven’t really updated the facebooks in a while, but for me it’s easier to get it outlined on paper first.

Been having some wonderful ideas for how to move forward.

Essentially, I’m doing a kind of plot where Cinderia was actually seeded as Asgard in order for celestials to prepare for Ragnarok but through the Period of Disillusionment the Asgardian power structure collapsed and left a more modern map of Cinderia. For Cinderia, the people of the planet will have to rediscover their past, weigh it against their present situation, and figure out how to shape their destiny. It’s also an exploration into the spiritual and material connections that trigger Karma and the question of how much and what kind of control does an individual or a group have in their overall destiny.

Exaequatio wrote:Yes I've come to similar conclusions as well. Also, the older I'm getting, the more I want to just have some business like online which gives me enough money to stay alive. That way I don't need to sacrifice my time (which really bothers me about jobs, you only live 70-80 years, and a third of it is already spent sleeping, not including anything else) and have control over my own life. And getting into science has really opened my eyes at just how screwed up it is, making me think deeply if I really want to pursue a research career sometimes. Perhaps its my area of interests that are screwed up, but I digress.

Dito. I too very much sympathise with this point of view. Especially the part of "having control over my life" is very important to me. It seems that, when one dives into society at large, one is being lived rather than actually living (I took this from a Dutch/Flemish expression so it may not convey the same the meaning in English but I'd tought I'd use it anyway as I feel it describes the feeling the most accurately). Which is why I decided to go freelance. It may provide less security but in return I do get more freedom to go where I want to go, what tools I want to use, what process to follow etc... and that, to me, is priceless.

The Grene Knyght wrote:I've been sick for the last week, but I've started a job in the national parliament here, and I've been learning to skateboard

Cool, what kind of job did you get? Did you run for a seat or is it more administrative?

I'm trying to post a response however it says I have inappropriate words despite there being none.

Nickel Empire wrote:I'm trying to post a response however it says I have inappropriate words despite there being none.

I have had that problem before as well. Don't know how I fixed it in the end. I suppose waiting a while and trying again may (emphasis on "may") work I suppose... To what were you specifically replying?

Roelandia wrote:I have had that problem before as well. Don't know how I fixed it in the end. I suppose waiting a while and trying again may (emphasis on "may") work I suppose... To what were you specifically replying?

Just replying to Petrokovia and Exaequatio about my job.

Nickel Empire wrote:Just replying to Petrokovia and Exaequatio about my job.

Oh ok, congratulations on your promotion by the way!

Roelandia wrote:Oh ok, congratulations on your promotion by the way!

Thank you. I was just explaining what I do for my new position, which in short is taking care of the sows about to give birth and piglets at the hog breeding barn I work at.

Nickel Empire wrote:Thank you. I was just explaining what I do for my new position, which in short is taking care of the sows about to give birth and piglets at the hog breeding barn I work at.

Aww, wonderful! Working with animals is always very nice :3

I found out why I couldn't post. I had one swear I kept reading past and it didn't register with me that it was a swear.

Exaequatio wrote:Congrats on the promotion! What's your new job?

I've been really busy with research, so same old same old. The good news is I'm almost done with data collection and can start analysis and begin writing my paper and thesis defense in a few months. I'm also trying to find schools/advisers to apply for for a PhD program.

I work in a hog breeding barn. I just got promoted to the 'farrowing' section this past Saturday. So I am responsible for sows about to give birth and their piglets. I am responsible for 5 full rooms (44 pens), a half room (22 pens) and a small piglet room (12 pens), which after we wean a room and there are still small piglets, we take them there and usually put them with a cull sow who was weaned from the piglets.

A typical day involves me going to each room and dropping the feed and standing up the sows for breakfast. I start in the room with the newest sows and mark down how many were born alive, born dead and mummified on the sows card. If there are any stuck piglets I help pull them out. If the mom is no longer pushing I give them an oxy shot to help them push again. If they are two days past their due date I induce them. If a new litter has been born for more than 12 hours I foster them. So I move the piglets around the different pens so each piglet has its own teat and the small piglets are all together. I ethuinzaine the piglets that have issues with them. And tape up piglets with 1 set of splay legs.

After I am finished with fostering I then do feed adjust for all the rooms and then turn on the auger to fill the feed pipes. Then I go to each room giving creep feed to the piglets to get them used to a feed only diet when we ship them to the nursery barn, electrolyte water if they are suffering from diarrhea and herd health to see if the piglets or sows are suffering from swollen joints, limping or bleeding hooves. After that is done I remove all the dead piglets and put them in the dead room. After lunch I drop the feed again and fill the auger.

Then I do some also other tasks such as washing hallways, the loadout or dead room, processing piglets or scrapping out poop.

Petrokovia wrote:Nine days straight? Oof, what a ringer. Glad to hear about the promotion though!

Saturday and Sunday were half days in the morning, which I got paid the full 8 hours so that is nice.

Petrokovia wrote:Oh what’s your thesis on?

I'm looking at how urban noise affects avian cognition. So basically I bred zebra finches (basically the bird version of lab rats) in different conditions (natural background or "pink" noise, urban traffic noise, and no noise) and then I compare each group's scores on various problem solving assays.

Petrokovia wrote:If you guys don’t mind actually, I think plurality would also make for a good discussion topic for our group and I would like to discuss more about my experiences with you guys!

Yeah I agree, I know nothing on the topic, so it would be interesting to discuss.

Roelandia wrote:-snip-

As always, a well articulated response, Roel. One thing that I would critique however, if I understood you correct, you believe that economics is a way for which society gauges what is important and unimportant. But I find this to be a dangerous way to go about doing things. And I think that is what she may have meant regarding intrinsic value. I'm sure Petro would raise the various social issues that follow suite, but for me, as a biologist, the first thing that comes to mind is the conservation ramifications of your statement. Conservation is already coming at a painfully slow rate. Its severely underfunded, few changes are ever made, and we're losing faster than we're gaining. This is simply because people deem it unimportant. And I think all of us in this discussion can agree that our natural resources, at minimum, are important for our long term survival (despite how the general consensus behaves). This is perhaps my biggest complaint with capitalism; it often neglects the long term outputs in favor of immediate gains.

Nickel Empire wrote:-snipity snip snip too-

Whoa... that sounds like a lot of work

Petrokovia wrote:That being said, based on more recent findings from the scientific community mixed with my own anecdotal experience around animals in the woods, I also currently go under the assumption that all animals are as intelligent as humans, and that humans have overlooked this fact out of lack of exposure, language translation efforts, or ability to project themselves fully into the animal's mindset or situation, mixed with a heavy human-supremacist bias.

Roelandia wrote:also think that animals are much more intelligent than most people give them credit for. Though to claim that all animals are as intelligent as humans is I think a littlebit of a stretch. There certainly are animals where it is plainly obvious that they have comparable intelligence and perhaps only lack a certain pair of specific limbs to reach the same heights as humans. Those in my opion include: Elephants, most primates, Parrots, whales, Crows, Ravens, Dolphines etc...
While I think it is important to adress the intelligence of animals (and humility in the right place is always a good thing and the human species could use some), It hink it is also important to not fall into the trap of false humility which is equally as damaging, both for individuals (I have some experience with that) and for groups (social groups and biological species alike). We humans are the current dominant species on this planet and there is a good reason for that. At the moment we seem to have been the most able to adapt to our surroundings, or I should say, adapt the surroundings to us (which is an interesting difference humans exhibit compared with most animals).

Since I literally study animal intelligence, I feel like I should comment on this.

The reality is, no animal matches us in "general intelligence". Whatever that means. A problem that has plagued the scientific world is of course anthropocentrism (frankly its plagued just about every profession to some degree or another). Animals have evolved to their environment and they do it extremely well. In many cases, their cognitive capacity in their specific skillsets that they evolved, far exceeds humans' ability to do that same skillset. For example, jackdaw memory on where they store their caches is much better than if we were to cache nuts. What humans have done is test animals on our own strong points in cognition and rate them on this criteria. Our abilities are important, whereas the things we're not good at is considered unimportant. But this reasoning is of course not true. And seeing the differences in focus of certain tasks over others makes the term "intelligence" break down. In fact, many experimental psychologists and behavioral ecologists are hesitant to even use the term "intelligence" because of how vague it is.

To bounce off of Petro's statement, I don't know it its necessarily "intelligence", not in the traditionally sense, but rather emotional intelligence. I don't know about organisms like reptiles/amph/inverts/fish, to which complex social bonds have never evolved, but with birds and mammals, where said bonds are common place, I think emotions and social intelligence are very high and possibly nearly as strong, in some cases as strong or stronger, as humans. It would be a species by species case. Actually, it would likely be an individual by individual case. But again, this isn't a good or bad thing. Each animal has its strengths, and comparing them to humans is actually extremely anthropocentric in its own right.

Petrokovia wrote:Aww, wonderful! Working with animals is always very nice :3

It is. I would much rather work with animals than do crop work.

Exaequatio wrote:

Whoa... that sounds like a lot of work

It can be at times. However, I found it amazing that it only takes 6 of us to fully take care of 1,300 sows, 6 boars, ~3,300 piglets, and ~100-200 gilts.

Exaequatio wrote:Hope you're starting to feel better! Also congrats on your new job as well!

Thanks yeah I've caught up on sleep now anyway

Roelandia wrote:Cool, what kind of job did you get? Did you run for a seat or is it more administrative?

Just administrative but I'm enjoying it

Petrokovia wrote:Oof! Hope you feel better soon!
What kind of board are you getting? :3

I've just been using one I found in my parents' shed lol. It's probably been in there for years but I oiled up the ball bearings and it works fine. I can do one or two tricks now sometimes

So Moderna has finally fixed its issues and will be sending 68 million vaccines to Canada when we have a population of 38 million with already 30 million shots administered.

Coinciding with this is the Pfizer shots are now being delayed to Canada so now they are asking those looking for their second shot to get the Moderna shot if they had Pfizer has their first. I will be waiting until late July if that is how long it takes to get my second Pfizer shot.

Nickel Empire wrote:So Moderna has finally fixed its issues and will be sending 68 million vaccines to Canada when we have a population of 38 million with already 30 million shots administered.

Coinciding with this is the Pfizer shots are now being delayed to Canada so now they are asking those looking for their second shot to get the Moderna shot if they had Pfizer has their first. I will be waiting until late July if that is how long it takes to get my second Pfizer shot.

The way first world nations have been overstocking on vaccines, when so many countries don't have enough, is so ridiculous. I mean, there's obviously the humanitarian argument, but even for people who don't care, there's also the practical argument that allowing the pandemic to continue in certain countries could allow mutations to occur

I got a notification that someone liked my post in a different region from 6 years and 79 days ago.

Nickel Empire wrote:I got a notification that someone liked my post in a different region from 6 years and 79 days ago.

I'm going to like this post in 6 years and 79 days

The Grene Knyght wrote:I'm going to like this post in 6 years and 79 days

If you do that I will give you $100 CAD, subject to inflation and exchange rate of course.

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