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Alright thanks.

A humanist prognostication

Amber-price wrote:Sorry to butt in here but does anarchism include the people's right to practise cannibalism? Just as a sort of tangent off of the current topic. I was curious as I just had an issue about it and was quite conflicted.

There's nothing to be conflicted about. If you can see the value in not wiping out your society with various prion diseases (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Prion_diseases_and_their_transmission_properties), you'll be happy to forbid it. Now, carefully regulated and sanitized slaughtering procedures might prevent such things, but I assume we don't really have to get into the potential problems with that sort of thing. Although I think that is one of the options in that particular issue; suffice it to say that "eat the poor" is likely to become the literal motto of the Filet-o'-People market.

To the extent that anarchism is basically an effort of abolish eating the poor in any sense, prohibiting cannibalism is perfectly OK.

The good news is, though, that if you've organized your economics such as to generally avoid mass starvation via famine (the general conditions of historical instances), you probably don't have to worry about it. An ounce of prevention, etc.

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:I think this is often assumed in a way that can mask or even self-excuse problematic behavior among comrades.

people aren't perfect or even consistent or logical in their views. so while anarchism by definition is incompatible with sexism, having anarchists that are sexist is just part of reality.
the best example is proudhon himself, the first guy who referred as himself as an anarchist and basically responsible for the recognition of anarchism as one political school of thought. his racism and sexism was way beyond what todays right-leaning mainstream society would tolerate.

Sierra Lyricalia and Equa lib

Astrum Nigrum wrote:feminism strives for equal rights regardless of gender; anarchism includes freedom and equal rights for everyone. so imho you cannot be an anarchist without being a feminist. except if you're one of those peculiar types that defines feminism to conform to their own distorted ideas to include revenge for centuries of oppression for women.
still, having "feminist" as a tag for regions is definitely more useful than a "steampunk" tag; not so much for us but especially for regions that are feminist but not anarchist.

As Sierra Lyricalia posted there are plenty of examinations of sexist and frateral behaviour inside the anarchist traditions, to assume that a self-described anarchist will automatically, by default, behave in ways acceptable to feminism is a bit too idealistic, and simply not true. Who here would say that proudhon was not an anarchist? Yet his critics honestly show him to be anti-semitic. Not all "anarchists" can be Will Godwin or Ben Tucker. Even ghandi had a sexist streak. Those "peculiar types" you mention, i think are more commonly know as feminazis? which is another important point. Feminism isn't and shouldn't be the preserve of the left. There are fascist feminists as much as there are fascist doctors and fascist miners. From a materialist point of view feminism reaching across philosophical and moral ideologies is a good thing at the current time. The more pressure we can put on the status quo, from all and any parts of society, the faster we will reach a (dialectic) critical mass and change society. How long that situation lasts, i couldn't say and there will soon come a time when right-wing feminists must be confronted. But all the easier to defeat them when we anarchists, as a generalised sub-culture, have examined ourselves in an honest and conscientious way and resolved our own internal contradictions.

Astrum Nigrum wrote:

the best example is proudhon himself, the first guy who referred as himself as an anarchist and basically responsible for the recognition of anarchism as one political school of thought. his racism and sexism was way beyond

I was writing while you posted so I only just read that so sorry for seeming to be condescending,
but the main thought behind my post is a materialism vs idealism thing really anyway.

I propose we go on with constructing embassies between Anarchy and HBO. Do you agree, comrades?

Equa lib wrote:I propose we go on with constructing embassies between Anarchy and HBO. Do you agree, comrades?

A small, growing anarchist region? I am in favour.

Maupof wrote:I was writing while you posted so I only just read that so sorry for seeming to be condescending,
but the main thought behind my post is a materialism vs idealism thing really anyway.

no worries. it seems we agree for the most part anyway.
though i think, if we want to gain popular support for anarchism, that it would be a good idea to critisise authoritarian right-wing "feminists" right now. if we wait for complete resolution of internal contradictions we will wait forever. and at the moment the majority of the population (as i perceive it) considers the right-wing of feminism to be equal to feminism as a whole and as the main issue of the political left. if we speak out against it, we show consistency, raise awareness for what feminism really is and for once have something in common with mainstream society.

Equa lib wrote:I propose we go on with constructing embassies between Anarchy and HBO. Do you agree, comrades?

Amber-price wrote:A small, growing anarchist region? I am in favour.

done.

Equa lib and Amber-price

Amber-price wrote:A small, growing anarchist region? I am in favour.

...if they send over a Mother of Dragons to replace the capitalist police state, I'ma keep fighting tho :-Þ

YoriZ, Astrum Nigrum, Equa lib, and Amber-price

An embassy between International Debating Area and Anarchy? What a wonderful idea! Shall we, comrades?

Astrum Nigrum and Nikolaigrad

Equa lib wrote:An embassy between International Debating Area and Anarchy? What a wonderful idea! Shall we, comrades?

Yeah, the construction of the embassies between our regions are finally done!

Equa lib

Hey, I still need some members for the Progressive Party in the IDA, you don't have to be a resident of the region to join one of the parties.

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READ THIS BOX FIRST

Steps to applying:

1. Please read the Constitution carefully.

2. Fill out Application Type 1, if you are currently a resident of the International Debating Area and wish to become a citizen. Fill out Application Type 2 if you a member of an embassy region of the International Debating Area and wish to become a citizen.

3. Telegram Dftba-land with the filled application.

4. Wait for approval. It is important to note this may take up to 3 days or more, and spamming the Founder Nation isn't going to help. Until you are approved, you cannot take part in Citizen activities. If you get no response after 1 week, send the application again, and mention that you sent an application in already, and got no respond.

QUALIFICATIONS FOR CITIZENSHIP

1. Applicants must have posted at least 10 non-debate posts, or 3 debate posts (5 sentences each), 7 days before applying for Citizenship.

2. Applicants must not have a nation or originate from The Iron Order.

3. The Founder Nation reserves the right to deny any application at any time with no given explanation.


To support the International Debating Area, and I, please up-vote this dispatch.


Application Type 1

Nation Name:

Main Nation:

World Assembly Nation:

List all puppets:

Date nation created:

Date joined the region:

What will your bring to the International Debating Area community?

Regions you have been in prior to moving into the International Debating Area:


NOTE: Nations may be subject to further questioning by the Founder Nation.


Application Type 2

Nation Name:

Main Nation:

World Assembly Nation:

List all puppets:

Date nation created:

List your current region:

Are you an officer in your current region:

Date moved in current region:

Date first posted in the International Debating Area:

What will your bring to the International Debating Area community?

Regions you have been in prior to your current region:


NOTE: Nations may be subject to further questioning by the Founder Nation.

Read dispatch

(sorry don't know how to put a link so just copy and paste this, it will bring you to the Application for Party Membership)

Thanks in advance and kind regards,
The IDA Progressive Party Leader

The Great Universe is also a great region. I suggest that we proceed with the construction of embassies. Do you agree, comrades?

Pretzelnesia

I have nothing against it.

What is going on with the regional map, by the way? Is anyone still interested?

Guys, will there be an Issue that will allow me to deconstruct my bureocracy? Or there will always be some resemblance of a state?

A humanist prognostication

Neveril wrote:Guys, will there be an Issue that will allow me to deconstruct my bureocracy? Or there will always be some resemblance of a state?

There will always be a "leader" and legislature and such, since these are necessary to the basic narrative of the game (addressing issues). However, basically every issue has implications concerning you nation's level of freedoms (civil rights, economic freedom, political rights).

Maximize all three, reduce "administration" government spending to zero, and get the UN category "Anarchy." That's as close as you'll ever get.

Or you could fluff your nation to have the Government mean the people, the Leader the people, and the Parliament the general assembly of all the nation's people.
I don't think most anarchists would want full "economic freedom" by the way.

A humanist prognostication

East Angria wrote:

I don't think most anarchists would want full "economic freedom" by the way.

Not only does NS allow extremely high economic freedom and equality simultaneously (not that it's easy, mind), but letting the capitalists have refuge in that area unchallenged is a patently silly thing to do, "anarchist" or not.

A humanist prognostication

At any rate, I can easily think of more than one libertarian socialist, left libertarian, and market anarchist who will not ceed economic liberty to the authoritarians and oligarchs.

Equa lib wrote:The Great Universe is also a great region. I suggest that we proceed with the construction of embassies. Do you agree, comrades?

East Angria wrote:I have nothing against it.
What is going on with the regional map, by the way? Is anyone still interested?

done.
related to that, i've been contacted by Uan aa Boa from Forest concerning construction of embassies. they describe themselves as leaning towards the political left and antiauthoritarian positions. does anyone see a reason why we shouldn't have an embassy with them?

apparently not. there hasn't been any interest in the map for months now and it seems that the place where it was hosted doesn't have it anymore. anarchadom and chynarka have been maintaining the map. maybe they have a backup we could use if there is new interest now?

I agree to proceed with building embassies between us and Forest.

Pretzelnesia

If you don't have any objections, I support the same for Khuzifenq.

Equa lib wrote:The Great Universe is also a great region. I suggest that we proceed with the construction of embassies. Do you agree, comrades?

OMG The Great Universe is my favorite region! I'm an officer there.

East Angria wrote:Or you could fluff your nation to have the Government mean the people, the Leader the people, and the Parliament the general assembly of all the nation's people.
I don't think most anarchists would want full "economic freedom" by the way.

Hey Angria! I'm a traveler puppet of Please understand

Equa lib

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