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Just like Ho Chi Minh, eh?
a)You're right. I'm sorry.
b)Sorry, I didn't think I was doing "imperialist propaganda"
c)Since the head of the state goes from father to son, it has some aspects similar to a monarchy
d)Yes, but this doesn't justify a dictatorship of one party over others
I hate how the AKP has actually manage to show itself off as Anti-imperialist, at least in Turkey, when they were literally CIA spies for the about 13 years. They've even got some of the "nationalist" leftists, such as the Maoist-turncoat Doğu Perinçek following them, thinking that they can save the country from imperialism by allowing Tayyip to purge the "Gulenists" from all aspects of the state and society. And it is true, I despise the Gulenist reactionaries, and maybe their removal will make Turkey independent, but is an independent reactionary government really any better than an American-backed reactionary government? This whole situation is really bad, and unfortunately there is no effective opposition force in the country, the Turkish Left really needs to make a comeback if we are to even have hope that the country will be a better place in the following decades.
Why did Proletaire suppress my post?
Everything you said I agree with! There are some left wing political parties in Turkey, notably the HDP and the pseudo-left CHP (more like social democratic). The problem is that most people in Turkey actually buy the propaganda they are told and support the imperialist agenda of Erdogan in Syria by supporting the reactionary and islamist FSA. Another issue is that the left wing votes are typically located on the Aegean coast and in the majority Kurdish areas in the east of the country, not in the massive cities like Ankara and Istanbul (with the exception of Izmir, of course). The best for the left is for them to speak directly to the people and rekindle the revolutionary spirit of the average Turk by galvanising the anti-Erdogan fervour which is growing every day. We saw that in the recent referendum with the AKP's inglorious showing by barely squeaking by, and in the last elections which saw material gains for the left. We can do it, comrades! Within the next decade I think we will see Turkey lurch to the left and vote Erdogan out.
The HDP is hardly leftist, comrade, their "leftism" is usually not much more than an act to gain disillusioned CHP votes in the westen cities. But yes, the youth support for the AKP is falling down very swiftly, and in 10 years we'll see a much freer Turkey that is hopefully not Islamist. But another problem is that if everything goes like they are going right now there may not be a Turkey to save in 10 years. We can just hope that Tayyip doesn't get his way too often or he'll run everything to the ground.
Ugh, I hate Tayyip.
Zenganopoli - Lol, I am not a pacifist!
c) That doesn't mean anything. There is no succession in DPRK. I am pretty sure we won't see another Kim. Also, in many countries the sons of the politicians become politicians, too. And usually Presidents, Prime Ministers, or whatever.
d) There is a state, so there is no point for a justification. A state is a dictatorship, end of the story. If that is positive or negative, that doesn't have to do anything about the nature of the state, what it truly is.
No idea, you should wait for him to explain.
Well. I don't entirely agree with this. First of, people were saying that we won't see another Kim after Kim Jong Il's death. Kim Jong Un has many years in front of him, so I don't want to make predictions of any kind, but I don't think that we have seen the last of the Kims, personally. What makes you believe that about the Kims?
Secondly, when such family politics take place, at least in my experience, leftists of most, if not all tendencies, talk about political dynasties in a very negative manner as it is precisely that, family politics. Only in regards to some countries do certain leftist tendencies not speak of political dynasties and family poltiics when they take place. North Korea is one such example. I see all family politics as very negative, regardless of which country we are talking about, in my opinion.
Why I don't believe that we will see another Kim: it is obvious to me that DPRK is in a state of transition at the moment. Towards where? I can't tell that, only time can. But it makes me believe that the era of the Kims end with Jong-un. However, I would definitely want this future to uphold their legacy, especially Il Sung's who in my view, was an exceptional leader toward difficult times.
About "political families": leftists do criticize them, but on a different context. There is a lot more to the WPK than its central figure, the chairman. The whole family thing has more to do with the conception of the leader, common to many eastern countries. Moreover, it is way easier for a country to stand together in the symbolic figure of the leader, no matter if I or the "leader" himself hates it. And the greatest the legacy carried, the stronger the figure. So the figure that represents the political plays both a cultural and a unifying role for North Korea, thus its significance for the time being.
I'll have to agree with you on Kim Il Sung, he was an admirable man. However, the rest of the Kims seem very far from socialism, to say the least. Then again, NK is very unkown, and the information that we can get about them, from both their sources and critical sources, are very unreliable and hard to believe. And maybe keeping the Kims is a right decision thinking purely pragmatically, but in principle I think that political dynasties go against leftism and need to be disestablished. Another problem is that as these dynasties go on, the harder it becomes for us to get rid of them, so in some years we may just see the Kims even better established within the system than before.