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The Internationale is a broad alliance of anarchists, socialists, communists, and other left-wing nations and communes.

The Internationale opposes the exploitation and oppression of the people by the forces of capitalism, imperialism and fascism.


"The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Workers of the world, unite!"

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The Internationale contains 523 nations, the 24th most in the world.

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Nations ranked highly have lower rates of preventable death, with their citizens enjoying longer average lifespans.

As a region, The Internationale is ranked 2,049th in the world for Longest Average Lifespans.

NationWA CategoryMotto
31.The Solidarity Movement of Attempted SocialismLiberal Democratic Socialists“Workers of the World, Unite!”
32.The United Socialist States of Sowjet UnionDemocratic Socialists“Proletarians of all countries unite”
33.The People's Red Republic of KuckuzzolandiaLiberal Democratic Socialists“Iustitia et libertas, vinumque bonum”
34.The People's Republic of SyralthLeft-wing Utopia“Freedom, Equality, Humanity”
35.The Red Democracy of VynagoistanLeft-wing Utopia“Fight forever for Peace! Freedom! Equality!”
36.The Revolutionaries of NuggsrocksLeft-wing Utopia“If you believe in this world, no one has died in vain”
37.The Democratic Union of AgraseLeft-wing Utopia“AHH NU CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE”
38.The United Socialist Republic of MansuetusDemocratic Socialists“War cannot be abolished unless classes are abolished”
39.The United Socialist States of GloblionDemocratic Socialists“Together we stand strongest”
40.The Dying State of Socialist Soviet Republic Rhine-HesseDemocratic Socialists“Our wisdom shall grow like our grapevine”
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The FederⒶtion☭ of Catochristoferson wrote:But they are literally not Socialist. It's like you saying a dog is a bumblebee, and when I point out that it isn't the case, you claim "no true scotsman" and that dogs can be bumblebees anyways.
And just because I don't support Venezuela does NOT mean that I support the imperialists or anything. I don't like either of them. And I especially don't agree with "parliamentary" means of doing anything. I'm an anarchist, why would I?


Well it is true that Venezuela is not a socialist state.It started whith Chavez's Democratic Socialist government(Socialism of the 21st Century) mixed with "Bolivarianism"(i don't know what were Bolivar's views) coming to Maduro's Social Democratic state-planned economy.

The Queendom of Maddering Ink Islands wrote:I have just banned cars and got a 1000% tourism increase. Can't be that interesting, can it?


I outlawed a fascist party and got a 1004% increase in the pizza industry...

Kwa-Zululand, Miskousing, Chelovechestvo, Anarchist Ionian Islands, and 1 otherWeather Station

The Marxist☭Feminists of THE DEFENDER ALLIANCE wrote:What Man with the Red Hat is saying is that it depends on your definition of socialism. If one is to believe socialism has to be "workers collective control" end of argument than no Venezeala is not socialist.
However if one uses the Marxist definition that socialism is the step between capitalism and communist "economy" then socialism has a defined character (nationalized industry, high distribution of wealth, examples USSR 1924-1953, Cuba, DPRK, etc) then Venezuela in indeed socialist.
Doesn't the governing coalition of the PSUV and the PCV kind of give it away? Nationalized Oil and government imposed class war - a struggle so sharp it takes international headlines? Vilification in the bourgeois press? Most political scientists would call Venezuela "social democrat" (US. Bernie Sanders, Canada's NDP) but personally I see all the signs of socialism except a revolution to rid the militant class enemies - who are certainly causing a lot of trouble right now.

Socialism of the XXI means doesn't have to do with marxism, it is a very revisionist 'version' of marxism, it has more to do with the views of the original social-democracy (read the book if you don't trust me). Bourgeois press doesn't like everything that is an obstacle to its own aims, and not liking the USA is enough (example: Iran, an anti-western country which is reactionary).
I agree that every kind of external and imperialist intervention must be stopped, but you can't call socialist to every government that nationalises key sectors, that confusion is more likely to come from the mouth of a right-winger, but ok.

Meanwhile, Trotsky is still seen as revisionist while Venezuela is supported by m-ls. Well done.

US interference in Latin America is responsible for most of the problems in Venezuela and all of Latin America. The US has engineered, financed, and/or directly carried out countless acts of terrorism as its official policy.

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The Toxic Cloud of Gas wrote:US interference in Latin America is responsible for most of the problems in Venezuela and all of Latin America. The US has engineered, financed, and/or directly carried out countless acts of terrorism as its official policy.

And I think that everybody here agrees

Auhl, Chelovechestvo, Grundprilaborado, The Sri Lankan Commune, and 2 othersAnarchist Ionian Islands, and Weather Station

The Federal Socialist Republic of Asturies-Llion wrote:Socialism of the XXI means doesn't have to do with marxism, it is a very revisionist 'version' of marxism, it has more to do with the views of the original social-democracy (read the book if you don't trust me). Bourgeois press doesn't like everything that is an obstacle to its own aims, and not liking the USA is enough (example: Iran, an anti-western country which is reactionary).
I agree that every kind of external and imperialist intervention must be stopped, but you can't call socialist to every government that nationalises key sectors, that confusion is more likely to come from the mouth of a right-winger, but ok.
Meanwhile, Trotsky is still seen as revisionist while Venezuela is supported by m-ls. Well done.


Venezuela has many more socialist qualities than a nationalized economy.

"The communal councils are grassroots bodies that bring together existing community organisations that have sprung up in Venezuela’s poor neighbourhoods around issues such as access to health, education, water and electricity.

The councils encompass 200-400 families in urban areas and 20-50 families in rural areas. Decisions on which problems to prioritize and how to tackle them are made in citizen assemblies open to the entire community."

https://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/venezuela-new-moves-to-build-peoples-power/

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About Trotsky, he worked awfully hard to bring down Soviet revolutionary advances, but that's a discussion for another day, the left can no longer afford to be so sectarian and stupid in the face of world capitalism and intolerable class contradictions.

There's nothing that denotes idiocy quite like arguing over Trotsky/Stalin while Trump appoints the most reactionary business owners to government in the US, while refugee kids lay dead on shores and while the Earth topples on irreversible environmental devastation - I think we have bigger issues to deal with

Any leftist who stands against the capitalist status quo is a comrade of mine, Trot or not - but when will the rest of the left grow up and realize this? Only left unity will change the course of history - not more kids arguing Trot/Stalin arguments online.

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The Guiding Red Light of Marxist-Feminists wrote:Venezuela has many more socialist qualities than a nationalized economy.
"The communal councils are grassroots bodies that bring together existing community organisations that have sprung up in Venezuela’s poor neighbourhoods around issues such as access to health, education, water and electricity.
The councils encompass 200-400 families in urban areas and 20-50 families in rural areas. Decisions on which problems to prioritize and how to tackle them are made in citizen assemblies open to the entire community."

https://marxistleninist.wordpress.com/2010/04/02/venezuela-new-moves-to-build-peoples-power/
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About Trotsky, he worked awfully hard to bring down Soviet revolutionary advances, but that's a discussion for another day, the left can no longer afford to be so sectarian and stupid in the face of world capitalism and intolerable class contradictions.
There's nothing that denotes idiocy quite like arguing over Trotsky/Stalin while Trump appoints the most reactionary business owners to government in the US, while refugee kids lay dead on shores and while the Earth topples on irreversible environmental devastation - I think we have bigger issues to deal with
Any leftist who stands against the capitalist status quo is a comrade of mine, Trot or not - but when will the rest of the left grow up and realize this? Only left unity will change the course of history - not more kids arguing Trot/Stalin arguments online.

Ok, then, it is more socialist than what I tought. However, current situation is far from that 'revolutionary program'.

I can agree on what you say about left unity, but not every sector of the left has the same way of reaching its aims, and sometimes, the aims are different. You can't avoid theoretical arguments, and Trot/Stalin arguments are part of that (and I really hate that one). How do you say we are going to cope with those bigger problems you are talking about? Collaborating with american liberals? That ends in reform, in the best situation. Refugee kids lay dead on shores, as in every war, sadly, and there's nothing revolutionary on defending Syria from 'imperialist' interference. Irreversible environmental devastation, yes, caused by the current mode of production, and you can't stop the destructive nature of capitalism through reform. Domination of nature is a more rooted idea in society than what it seems, and it can't be stopped putting a few environmental laws.
For every revolutionary movement a bit of consensus must be reached, and repeating 'left unity' while eluding theoretical debate is useless, because it can end on having a movement full of reformists and people unable to bring a revolutionary and substantial change.

The problem of the left nowadays is not only lack of unity, it is lack of a clear theoretical framework, apart from the most common postmodernist one (which is clearly wrong).

Freien

How do I increase my population. I want to do actions that require a much higher population than I have

The Free Land of Anarchist Confederacy of Anarchia wrote:How do I increase my population. I want to do actions that require a much higher population than I have

Your nation grows by several million population per day as long as you keep your nation alive. You can't speed it up.

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The Rose Commune of Caelapes wrote:Your nation grows by several million population per day as long as you keep your nation alive. You can't speed it up.


I wish NS populations were a little more realistic, I mean Caelapes has like 2x the population of planet Earth.lol

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