WA Delegate: The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss (elected 1 year 275 days ago)
Regional Power: Moderate
Today's World Census Report
The Rudest Citizens in Western Atlantic
World Census experts telephoned citizens from all nations at just before dinner time, in a study to determine which populations were the rudest.
As a region, Western Atlantic is ranked 1,817th in the world for Rudest Citizens.
|1.||The Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss||Civil Rights Lovefest||“Libertate Unanimus”|
|2.||The Empire of New Chalcedon||Scandinavian Liberal Paradise||“Nihil est simplex benedictionem”|
|3.||The Holy and Most August Empire of Pantocratoria||Capitalist Paradise||“Pour Dieu et Son Empire”|
|4.||The Caldan Union of The Resurgent Dream||Left-Leaning College State||“Ex Unitate Vires”|
|5.||The States-Federation of Snefaldia||Father Knows Best State||“Reviving the Nation”|
|6.||The Kingdom of Brasland||Iron Fist Consumerists||“Für Gott, König und Vaterland”|
|7.||The Protectorate of Knootian Colombia||Compulsory Consumerist State||“Libertad y Orden”|
|8.||The Democratic Republic of Daytanistan||Corrupt Dictatorship||“O Glorious Daytan Motherland”|
|9.||The Grand Empire of Aerion||Iron Fist Consumerists||“For A New Glorious Aerion”|
|10.||The Republic of South Epheron||Father Knows Best State||“Nulli Expugnabilis Hosti”|
- 14 days ago: The Caldan Union of The Resurgent Dream arrived from Lazarus.
- 15 days ago: Regional Founder The Caldan Union of The Resurgent Dream ceased to exist.
- 42 days ago: The People's Democratic Fiefdom of Uncle Noel arrived from Lazarus.
- 54 days ago: The Holy Empire of Excalbia ceased to exist.
- 56 days ago: The Dominion of Upper Virginia ceased to exist.
- 56 days ago: The Union of Ajuba ceased to exist.
- 56 days ago: The Republic of Zamimbia ceased to exist.
- 56 days ago: The Confederation of Soveriegn States ceased to exist.
- 56 days ago: The Autonomous Grand Duchy of Saxmere ceased to exist.
- 72 days ago: The Grand Duchy of Le Mont de la Lune ceased to exist.
Western Atlantic Regional Message Board
It is worth pointing out that the Commonwealth contains republics, but granted it is basically what remains of the British Empire and no one is suggesting that we were all once vassals of the Holy and August Empire.
My suggestion is this, and involves a spot of mild-retconning. Why not have a Pantocratorian equivalent of Baron de Coubertin who sets up the games and, rather than providing a detailed history of sporting prowess over the past century, simply say that the idea never really caught on, or did so fitfully like the Rugby League World Cup (which is played whenever the participant countries remember it exists) and that His Imperial Majesty is just the head of the sporting association. That way we're not making a political statement of our suzerainty to Pantocratoria
No offense to Panto intended, but why should the Queen of TRD consider the Emperor of Pantocratoria superior? They're both heads of state, sovereigns of independent realms. The fact that one is a kingdom and the other an empire is just a matter of name. TRD is even larger than Pantocratoria. I doubt that the Queen of the UK considers the Emperor of Japan of higher precedence.
With respect though that's a modern view. The reason why Queen Victoria was made Empress of India was because her daughter was married to the future German Emperor, and therefore she didn't want to be outranked even in a nominal sense.
Which I know isn't to answer your question about attitudes today but there's no reason why the current folk of WA feel any differently. I'm sure there are people employed by the Pantocratorian Foreign Ministry debating how to view Excalbia who are a fellow empire (+1) but also, alas, Protestant (-1)
My Imperial Crown is bigger than yours! :P
The Commonwealth contains republics but Elizabeth II is not Head of the Commonwealth because anyone thinks she is the Queen of all the countries in it. She is Head of the Commonwealth because she has an independent title, accepted by the Commonwealth as an organisation, making her Head of the Commonwealth.
TRD does not formally refuse to call the Empress of Aerion the Empress, but in all matters of precedent, she is treated as a Queen.
The Queen of the UK DOES grant a higher precedence to the Emperor of Japan.
The imperial dignity is viewed as a higher one throughout the West because of the history of the Roman Empire and its relationship, both real and ideal, with kings and queens.
Queen Victoria didn't put that much stock in the prestige attached to the Empress of India title as she gave it a lower dignity than her Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain title. India isn't a Christian empire.
I am using this Wiki.
"The Commonwealth contains republics but Elizabeth II is not Head of the Commonwealth because anyone thinks she is the Queen of all the countries in it. She is Head of the Commonwealth because she has an independent title, accepted by the Commonwealth as an organisation, making her Head of the Commonwealth."
Which is what I said. Let the Emperor of Pantocratoria be Head of whatever regional games we want to call it, if Panto is happy.
And, needless to say, precedence is in the eye of the beholder.
I was mostly joking though thanks for clarity TRD :). Precedence is indeed in the eye of the beholder. What comes to mind is the example of the Emperor of China refusing to acknowledge any foreign monarchs as equal, and requesting treatment as ruler of the world as had been his precedence in Asia. In some cases of etiquette monarchs were not in the same room together during official ceremonies.
All of this discussion on the finer points of etiquette and precedence are no fun without real role-play.
For the record from the standpoint of Aerion the Padshah Empress of Aerion is considered equal to the Pantocratorian Emperor, and others of Imperial Status. They also take the royalist view that elected heads of state are below most royalty of larger nations.