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Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

<We are a passive region that does not officialy support either side. We encourage diplomacy, and we should not be held accountable for that.>

It shows real double standards then when you call the antifa 'thugs' yet eulogize Unibot and his actions as inerrable always. Both are conditions which do not mesh with the idea that you are impartial and officially support neither side. When the top echelon of always active, always cabinet players, always UDL, thats not an official stance but its a de facto one to any one with common sense to see through the lawyer prattle.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

And it is not that I dislike your opinions, I dislike the false accusations.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

<Did I not say I understand you do not represent the UPFS? >

Im a citizen of this region, was in the past, voted here even too. Whether you choose to acknoweldge that or not is your own issue once again. But shows the real 'impartiality' you are known for in the DSAssembly. I am to suppose you never meet on the forums of the UDL, if you're high up you never strategize, never. Aw shucks, I'm being to evil then, thinking you guys plan. You clearly are able to pull in volunteers in some numbers, that requires organization beyond this loose confederation of peace and love you're describing.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

Will you address the 3 pact of steels, the thwarted solidarity missions, regardless of whether the natives agreed with us or not, most of the time the natives to the founderless regions were half us and half UDL or FRA puppets. I'm to suppose its way out in the league of hysterical-paranoid-Cuba and his inventions and 'false accusations'? Why not address it for once. You danced around it enough times in enough regions.

Kryftland

1 year 241 days ago

I don't think this argument is conducive towards the reconcilliation of the DSA and TI, nor is it conducive towards any outcome at all. Yes these problems needed to be sorted out by talking about them, but not on the UPFS RMB (as this is the neutral mediator region) and not the exact same argument that has played out many times before.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

These issues keep resurfacing because the DSA refuses to respond to them anywhere. I'm personally disappointed in the 'diplomacy' which doesn't seek to make peace for substantial differences in actions and words by your government, whether its an official stance or not. I find it very convenient that one is only a citizen of a multi-regional network of democracy and friendship if one is ready and willing to agree. I wonder if my argument would be invalidated, as is technically my state of citizenship here, if I would have lauded Unibot, gave a short answer, and thereby invited the DSAssembly Ambassador to tell the region what to think. Seeing as the DSA Ambassador, the delegate of the Internationale (which all my puppets left and is techincally not my region).

These concerns are TRF-UDL, and seeing as the UPFS has volunteers in the TRF, had volunteers in the ops and missions I mentioned but are conveniently ignored...

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

Seeing as the DSA Ambassador, the delegate of the Internationale (which all my puppets left and is techincally not my region) have gone on to characterize the diplomatic talks as something the Internationale should have to approach for, state 'it shouldn't change regional governments by force of opinion or pressure', I responded here. If this is the region that is mediating they ought to know what both partner's full greivances are about each other. In that respect it should also note areas of overlap, and if it's own commitment to the process isn't compromised by your region not admitting certain conflicts with other Leftist regions through the prism of 'defensive' missions. I'm not claiming that all, or any UDL, simply because it has UDL members in the region, simply by the concerted effort you all seem to approach to control public opinion, then deny that its what you're doing. I've lost my patience with even my own old region's 'diplomacy', so I left. There is no position wherefrom you can invalidate this, unless you just want to ignore it as an inconvenient truth ever present.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

I'm not claiming that all, or any UDL, simply because it has UDL members in the region dominates it, it is based simply by the concerted effort you all seem to approach to control public opinion, the mockery with which you respond to legitimate claims, the legalese you use to try to cover up the impoliteness of a technical state of war, then deny that its what you're doing.*

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

I have no clue what you are talking about. On what grounds do you blame the DSA for hindering peace efforts with the Internationale? We are not ignoring any grievances. We are hardly even talking about grievances in the negotiation yet.

I also have no clue what you are talking about when yoy say we try to control public opinion. It seems to me that you consider the fact that we respond to attacks against us as an attempt to suppress opinions. That assumption is false. The DSA has every right to defend itself, and explain our stances to people who call us out. If anything, you yourself are hindering peace efforts, not the DSA. We have been nothing but friendly to the Internationale (unless we are bombarded with baseless accusations). In fact, I find Socialist Space Republic to be a very nice person who is eager to create peace.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 240 days ago

On domestic issues pertaining to the UPFS...
What will become of the reforms, Wu wei shan?

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

How convenient to have no clue:

Here it is in condensed forms, for the last time:

TRF members here, I TRF member *beats chest*

I too Citizen of various left regions *beats chest* I also then have right to speak here yeah.

Second, your side has yet to address the 3 battles for pact of steel, the thwarted missions into comintern, leningrad, who knows how many countless other missions and attempts that you've collectively sh-t on, these being trans-regional forces, one of them then by virtue of even having one volunteer being the UPFS. IT IS a UPFS issue, I never wanted to call your region out on this openly like this, but you don't cease to rewrite history just like Unibot did in his epogee. Neither you, nor the too polite Delegate of TI SSR, or the misguided efforts of Comrade Prolesky, none of either side has adequately represented the cause in furtherance of a useless 'peace'.

You deny what isn't convenient, you only acnknowledge the polite. I cease to acknowledge either because anything that isn't a direct and truthful interpretation is BS either way, whether its coated in words that taste like vinegar or words that taste like sugar. I'm not going to placate you by endorsing your failed position, apologizing, or anything. Your region and government cover up a great deal of its involvement in the UDL because its a 'personal' involvement. In the self-same way that you.

As it concerns domestic issues, we change our vote to option 2, to write an entirely new constitution.

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Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I did so under the impression, that is to move away from the rhetoric, with the meaning that the Peace would mean something. The peace is perverse and even an insult to the original positions of the Internationale, let alone the TRF or the antifascist movement. That you ask hypocritically that we cease to maintain conduct in many regions, while you yourself avail yourself of the self-same benefit seems hypocritical. That you neglect to research and find with such great speed your involvement in the Pact of Steel fiascos, and in many other subversions of your own socialist neighbors, that's something altogether shameful as well. I'm not stopping, definitely not silencing myself because you post these. Unlike yourselves, my positions are malleable, they change from time, especially when people are lying/neglecting their involvement, lionizing the figure that championed the abuses and involvement, and then throwing it all onto myself. It must seem so easy, so simple, to blame the messenger, and not listen to the message.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I actually declare all of my alters too, in case you're trying to instigate it on that level. Unibot had some dozens of nations, all himself, and who knows how many alters. All the UDL higher echeclon also has dozens, if not dozens of dozens, in each region they've got members in. Writing constitutions a certain way, keeping the rhetoric on the 'evil thug raider menace', turning your armed forces and foreign affairs into something THEY negotiate in amongst themselves. The membership of the rest of the region falls in line cause it sees the major players, the older players, endorsing a certain opinion or idea. Its not paranoid conspiracy to state this.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I propose that the UPFS endorse, and the TI also endorse a motion to include in the peace treaty, equal conditions of both partners. The statement that is in the peace thread itself implies that the Internationale does that(changes governments or pressures theirs somehow/maybe by telling the truth for a change), when in reality, it is the UDL that has its anchors in the region that does that. In order for me to stfu, you would definitely have to add to the conditions some kind of an acknowledgement for the mutual provocations, the ones you still engage in, that while covert and not nearly as direct and feiry, constitute continual ill will, subversion, and eulogy towards our enemy in the struggle towards socialist solidarity show bad form on your own end. Not to mention a very vocal member that calls for 'war with them Trots'. But that isn't mentioned is it?

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 240 days ago

I only arrived here in December, so I so not know of the battles you speak of, I apologize, but that does not give you the right to insult my intelligence. The government of the DSA is not covering up anything. The region has no connection with the UDL, except for the fact that some of our nations participate in it. I don't know why you can't accept that.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

If you're the ambassador, foreign affairs minister, and you're criticizing MY ARGUMENTS out of hand, its an insult to my intelligence, not yours. Its not my fault that the DSA hides its own shady business from its own, and its also not my issue that its an abstract point. Your leaders ought to know. Why not ask them?

Signed lovingly,
~Cuba

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 240 days ago

Whoa. I'm criticizing your arguments out of hand? I asked the people of the UPFS what there views where and you responded with verbal attacks on my region, and you're saying I'M out of hand? I am just defending my region. Also, the DSA DOES NOT hide anything from it's people. How would you know anyway? I don't need to ask my leaders, because I am the Secretary General of the DSA. I would know if there was any "shady business." I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here by saying the same thing over and over again, and you refuse to accept the truth. I am not insulting your intelligence, I am defending the region I reside in, and the people in it. If you can't accept the truth, there is nothing I can do.

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Oric

1 year 240 days ago

Braganza, I'm going to have to ask you to calm down.

Kryftland

1 year 240 days ago

My economy has gone basket case! I think I will follow the CIL economic package. Also, returning to the matter in hand - what will happen with the reforms as there are a few people voting for each option. Perhaps due to a lack of consensus on the issue, it would be best to progress with amendments? At any rate we need to seize the moment and not let these proposals stagnate.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 239 days ago

@Kryftland agreed. It seems we've got our RMB back, if only for awhile.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 239 days ago

I want to apologize to the people of the UPFS for the outburst earlier. An ambassador should act in a better manner.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 239 days ago

No need for apologies comrade.

Wu wei shan

1 year 239 days ago

I apologize profusely for not being around the last couple of days as I was out of town. I will get caught up on this current diplomacy issue and back to UPFS business posthaste.

Wu wei shan

1 year 239 days ago

It is my decision that since the two parties involved have stated their cases, any further posts concerning the peace settlement - in the vein of the UDL involvement or the Unibotverse - constitute spam on this RMB and will be supressed. That is not to say I am taking sides or judging the cases, merely calling the thread "locked".

Personally, I find these last few days of posts informative and will quickly and eagerly state my personal loathing of Unibot's actions (the peace settlement originally included a statement of condemnation of his DSA puppet for interference, but I removed it so as not to jeopardize the process after Unibot claimed permanent DSA residency). I also supported the condemnation motion. That said, it is likely that most of the UPFS have no inkling or concern of Unibot or his antics - to answer your original query, DSA Ambassasor.

However, a continuance of the Braganza Nova-DSA Ambassador thread will have to take place elsewhere so we can have space to discuss regional business. I appreciate the fact that this peace process appears to have shaken up a hornet's nest and a lot of people are going to get stung, but we will have order and regional integrity on this RMB as of now.

Wu wei shan

1 year 238 days ago

Nominations Volunteers are open for Secretary of Recruitment

Embassy Vote: Union of Unions

So far there is one nation choosing option #1 (amendment), six choosing option #2 (new constitution), and three choosing option #4 (status quo).

I think it would be ok to start discussing/writing a new constitution with the eventual votes for adoption, as was done with the Second Constitution.

Kryftland

1 year 237 days ago

Union of Unions: We vote no
I won't be running for any secretary positions for a couple of months as I have exams IRL.

Wu wei shan

1 year 237 days ago

Would this be an acceptable constitutional compromise: create replacements/amendments for each section and vote on them one at a time (after suitable debate/discussion of course)?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 236 days ago

I would accept that Wu.

Nay to embassy with UoU.

Wu wei shan

1 year 236 days ago

No to Union of Unions, embassy fails.

Ambibia

1 year 236 days ago

Give me ideas here guys Im slowly running out of time for nationstates, something so I dont CTE or get bored

Oric

1 year 236 days ago

No to Union of Unions.

New canada

1 year 235 days ago

Nay to UoU.

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The United Socialist States of Stovonia

1 year 232 days ago

Nay to union of unions

The popular front

1 year 232 days ago

Nay to UoU

Kryftland

1 year 232 days ago

"I think it would be ok to start discussing/writing a new constitution with the eventual votes for adoption, as was done with the Second Constitution."
I agree Wu wei shan. Where to start?

Wu wei shan

1 year 231 days ago

I brought the old constitution to work the last couple of days to start overhauling a draft but haven't gotten around to it. I think the thing to start off with is the conversion to a committee system (from elected officers). I'm in favor of a few standing committees and the rest ad hoc. Also would be a review of the Peoples Referendum that are current, and The Free Land of Skoalstraightius should be finishing up that list, so as to incorporate the really important ones into the constitution new or amended.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 224 days ago

Sorry for the inactivity mates, had some trouble on the homefront. I'll be finishing the list soon.

Viradia

1 year 224 days ago

Ditto on Skoal, though I have no list to finish. I hope I can resume my activity in a few weeks or so.

Wu wei shan

1 year 222 days ago

Embassy
Communist Party of America

no from us

Wu wei shan

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day
Give a thought today to all those around the world who suffer as members of the working class and those that sacrificed in the Labor movement.

Also due to an extended trip, I will be ending my GenSec term a little early on the 6th and won't be running again. Any nominations and candidates please come forward now.

Kryftland

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day :)
No to Communist Party of America.
The term of the Secretary of Defence ends tomorrow (in case nobody noticed).
WWS, what are you doing on your trip? Anything exciting?

New canada

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day, comrades! I hope to be more active soon.

Also, no to Communist Party of America.

The popular front

1 year 220 days ago

Happy International Workers' Day Comrades! An no to Communist Party of America

Wu wei shan

1 year 220 days ago

Ah yes Secretary of Defense needs an election as well. Noms and candidates, please.

I'm going Kyoto, Japan for a long awaited vacay. The perks of having no children.

Kryftland

1 year 218 days ago

Hmmm, I'm seriously disturbed by the anti-immigration, xenophobic, nationalist storm that has being stoked up here in Britain after UKIP's local election gains.
Anyway, have a good time in Japan wu!

Mixolidian

1 year 215 days ago

UKIP are insane!! People don't know what they are voting for.

Wu wei shan

1 year 214 days ago

I will not have reliable access to NS for the coming weeks so my term is over. Skoalstraightius or someone else will have to run elections. Please unendorse me when a new GS is elected. Candidates for 3 offices are needed.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 213 days ago

Hello everyone! Sorry for the lack of contact, I've been very busy in the DSA. We are working on two new embassies!

Oric

1 year 210 days ago

Well, damn, I've been gone a long time

Ambibia

1 year 205 days ago

Uh..where am I?...have I been drinking again?... Who are you people?!

Mixolidian

1 year 201 days ago

looks like someone drank all the rum!!

Wu wei shan

1 year 200 days ago

I am back. Does anyone want to be a secretary anymore or should we start writing a new constitution already?

Helvygand

1 year 200 days ago

Hello everyone

Ambibia

1 year 196 days ago

I volunteer Wu, I haven't been as active as I should in the past couple months and this will give me a good reason, also I forgot to mention that this month marks my 1-year anniversary of joining nationstates!

Wu wei shan

1 year 196 days ago

I assume you mean General Secretary?

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 192 days ago

It is my opinion that your WA Delegate should be your General Secretary.

Kryftland

1 year 192 days ago

Ambassador, the WAD is the General Secretary. Quoting Article 1 Section 2 of the constitution: "The WAD will be known as the General Secretary of the U.P.F.S. in keeping with our secretarial wording."

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 192 days ago

Ok I only said that because you have a WA Delegate but no General Secretary

Wu wei shan

1 year 192 days ago

That is an artifact of no one annuoncing candidacy for GenSec and my term expiring. I requested that nations unendorse me when a new GS was elected. I am a lame duck caretaker WAD and will simply perform housecleaning until elections happen or some other development. This has never happened as long as I have been here.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 191 days ago

Ok I understand now

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 191 days ago

I haven't been able to participate in the region much this month and I see that we still have yet to elect a General Secretary!
I nominate Kryftland for the position.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 191 days ago

May I suggest that you guys start an Offsite Forum to hold your elections and all official government activities. It would make things a lot more organized and efficient.

Kryftland

1 year 191 days ago

Thank you for nominating me. Unfortunately I am busy with A Level exams until Friday 21st June, so for half of the term I will not be active, and I feel it would be wrong to accept the responsibility of General Secretary knowing I cannot commit to it.

Wu wei shan

1 year 190 days ago

Hard at work on new constitution. It's a lot shorter, and cooler too lol.

@DSA - we decided not to use off-site forums for official business.

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

Proposed 3rd Constitution here.

Please give comments not only to content but the writing as well. I am going over the People's Referendum to see which ones we need to keep (that weren't made obsolete or incorporated into new constitution) and I have found about 8. This is a chance for a fresh start incorporating the ideas we have been talking about the last few months. I really think this would work. There are some big changes so please read the whole thing before coming to conclusions.

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

sorry for bad link
viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

I'm going to temporarily approve all embassies and we can sort out later if we want to keep them or not.

Pansocialist movement

1 year 188 days ago

While there is no legal WAD/General Secretary, WAD access to admin has been suspended for security reasons.

Wu wei shan

1 year 186 days ago

Please give me some feedback on the proposed constitution. Anything LOL!

Kryftland

1 year 186 days ago

Thank you Wu Wei Shan for taking the time and effort to draft a new constitution; I think overall it is well structured, clear and concise. The new system of government defined in this draft is in the spirit of the socialist revolution and embodies the principles of direct democracy and minarchic un-bureaucratic administration. I have to say at first I was very sceptical of the transfer of executive administration from the WAD to the Founder Committee, but acknowledging that they do not have autonomous authority, and accepting that the WAD game mechanics discriminates against non-WA nations, I have come to agree with the change. Below are a few observations and suggestions of mine:

Article 1 Section 1 does not make clear that the Founder Committee's powers are not autonomous. "The Founder Committee will have the following powers - the Founder nation shall be used to:" I would suggest replacing with "The Founder Committee shall administer the execution of the following powers as directed by the People's Referendum and Constitution:".

Regarding the World Assembly Delegate: are the executive powers disabled (as in the game mechanics)?

Article 2 Section 1: "The People's Referendum is defined as the legislative system of UPFS, in which all nations may submit a proposal to be voted on and passed through popular support." It might be worth stating that proposals are submitted to the Recording Committee who post the proposal using the Scribe; I think this is implied in other parts of the constitution but should be noted after this sentence for clarity.

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 1: "Timed voting procedure dictates that voting on a proposal ends at 7 pm ET, 2 days after the proposal or the most recent edit has been submitted." Why 7 pm ET, is that an arbitrary time? Why not simply: "...voting on a proposal ends 48 hours after the...". And similarly, "If new edits are submitted, voting continues onto the next day" for the sake of continuity could be "If new edits are submitted, the voting period is extended by 24 hours".

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 3: Titled "Amendments" should be "Constitutional Amendments" for the sake of clarity.

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure.

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.

Article 4 - The Committee System: The creation/dissolution of committees is defined but not the joining/leaving of individual members of that committee. I assume the idea is that UPFS Members can freely join and leave any committee (except the Founder Committee) which would be fine when there are multiple members, however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.

Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1: The sentence "External embassy requests shall be voted on by the Membership as well as internal requests to open or close an embassy." is out of place in this clause which is defining the Recording Committee. Perhaps a separate section on this including specification of how changes to the WFE and tags are decided.

Article 6 Section 1: "Invader nations are to be banned on sight." This implies that the Founder Committee has the power to banject anyone they deem to be an invader? Surely that leaves them free to ban anyone at their own will as long as they label them an invader.

Article 6 Section 3: "No law or proposal may hinder the rights of individual nations or groups of nations in the UPFS." This is contradicted by the other clauses stating that the right to vote and submit proposals may be revoked if convicted by trial.

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse. For example the roll call could be a very short time before the vote (who's to say whether its reasonable or not) and could be arranged so that only certain people are eligible to vote.

There is no clause on the judicial function of interpreting legislation, i.e. if there was disagreement over, for example, the meaning of a clause of the Constitution, who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?

'Member' and 'Membership' are written with a capital implying that 'Members' are differentiated somehow, but this is not defined. It also needs to be clarified whether a Member could have their Membership revoked by a trial verdict, or whether Membership is a guaranteed right.

As I say these are just suggestions and I may be misunderstanding some points, but I hope this helps. :)

Ambibia

1 year 186 days ago

^uhhh, yeah, what he said, overall it has very good structure...

Wu wei shan

1 year 186 days ago

tyvm Krftland I'll work on those edits after work today :)

Wu wei shan

1 year 185 days ago

I would suggest replacing with "The Founder Committee shall administer the execution of the following powers as directed by the People's Referendum and Constitution:".
fixed

Regarding the World Assembly Delegate: are the executive powers disabled (as in the game mechanics)?
yes

Article 2 Section 1: It might be worth stating that proposals are submitted to the Recording Committee who post the proposal using the Scribe;
fixed

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 1: Why 7 pm ET, is that an arbitrary time?
yes. it was in the old constitution and retained to provide a fixed point to make keep track easier. some proposals may thus get more than 48 hours but that worked ok in practice.

"If new edits are submitted, the voting period is extended by 24 hours".
they should get another 48 which is how we had done it before. low activity of this region has always leaned towards lax deadlines and at least a few days for people to log on. I don't think shorter times are practical.

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 3: Titled "Amendments" should be "Constitutional Amendments" for the sake of clarity.
fixed

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure.
not sure what is needed - will come back to this point later

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.
It is using the actual definition of "conspiracy" in that 2 or more nations were committing the same act in concert. That is precisely how it is meant to be take with regards to defendants in a trial. Existence of a conspiracy can only be supported by the evidence of the investigation. This only affects how many nations can be tried at once for the same "crime", plus, I think the fact that the determination is made by the S&I Committee virtually eliminates abuse. However the easy alternative would be to just strike everything after the word "time" and try everyone separately. BTW, we've never actually had a full trial here.

Article 4 - The Committee System: ... however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.
Excellent point. any suggestions? This would only affect the 4 permanent committees since the others are formed by vote and technically would be an "election". But your larger point is what is more important here. A line added that all committees must have 2 or more members or activity is suspended?

Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1: The sentence "External embassy requests shall be voted on by the Membership as well as internal requests to open or close an embassy." is out of place
moved to A6 S4 C1

Article 6 Section 1: "Invader nations are to be banned on sight." This implies that the Founder Committee has the power to banject anyone they deem to be an invader? Surely that leaves them free to ban anyone at their own will as long as they label them an invader.
Well it would have to be true, and invaders tend to be rather obvious. Not talking about spies or moles here, but actual invaders endorsing a point man. I would trust that the oldest members of the region would know how to recognize this...if not we can have training; however the chance of an actual invasion of a region with active founder(s) and no WAD access is in my experience infinitesimal. They couldn't even tag, and spamming the RMB is breaking NS rules anyway. So, there would be serious consequences to banning someone on spurious invasion grounds since it would be quite clear if an invasion was taking place for whatever reason. This merely gives someone the legal power to defend the region in the absence of an army, but I do appreciate your point.

Article 6 Section 3: "No law or proposal may hinder the rights of individual nations or groups of nations in the UPFS." This is contradicted by the other clauses stating that the right to vote and submit proposals may be revoked if convicted by trial.
A UPFS jury verdict is neither law nor proposal but an expression of democratic action (will of the people). I hope this doesn't strike you as weasel words but the difference is clear to me. BTW this is lifted from the current constitution.

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse. For example the roll call could be a very short time before the vote (who's to say whether its reasonable or not) and could be arranged so that only certain people are eligible to vote.
I purposely left this open for debate or later clarification by Peoples Referendum. What do you think we should add? 5 days like the amendment vote itself? sounds ok to me.

who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?
This is not a power I am comfortable with in the hands of anything less than the entire region. If it is felt that this needs language we can work on that, but I'm a bit stumped beyond asserting that the constitution should be as self-explanatory as possible to avoid such occurrences.

'Member' and 'Membership' are written with a capital implying that 'Members' are differentiated somehow, but this is not defined.
just stylistic - no differentiation exists - it simply means member nation.

It also needs to be clarified whether a Member could have their Membership revoked by a trial verdict, or whether Membership is a guaranteed right.
Article 6 section 1

Thanks so much for taking the time, Kryftland- your help is invaluable!

Kryftland

1 year 185 days ago

I have no argument with any of your rebuttals.
Regarding joining committees, I agree that it only affects the permanent committees, for which there are two options: as you say, there could be a minimum requirement of two members per committee; or, having a 'ratification' election, i.e. when a nation volunteers to a permanent committee, the region votes to approve or deny their position (and that could also apply even when there is more than one nation in a committee). I'm not sure which I think is the best option, although I think the first option may have problems in terms of a lack of activity/participation.
Regarding the amendment quorum, yes I think 5 days seems suitable.

Kryftland

1 year 182 days ago

Another thought, I think it should be added that a nation can be dismissed from a position on any committee (possibly including the Founder Committee) by a People's Referendum proposal.
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People of the UPFS, add to the discussion, make this your constitution!!!

Wu wei shan

1 year 180 days ago

Besides Kryftland, does anyone care anymore?

Kryftland

1 year 176 days ago

People are probably busy.

Kryftland

1 year 172 days ago

I will be back :)

Kryftland

1 year 171 days ago

I'm back, and it seems it didn't miss much, in fact I think I'm talking to myself. XD
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If anyone is alive here: On the matter of the draft constitution, I think I agree with Wu that a suitable resolution to committee admission would be to require a minimum of two members in each committee. To ensure nations cannot hold delegated authority without democratic support, I reiterate my suggestion that a clause be added "that a nation can be dismissed from a position on any committee (possibly including the Founder Committee) by a People's Referendum proposal."

Kryftland

1 year 171 days ago

Furthermore, as my last exam is tomorrow, I have much free time. Therefore I hereby volunteer to be General Secretary, so, Wu Wei Shan, could you start a vote on that - also I invite other people to run for General Secretary as well, so that it is not a one man race.

My election platform:
-To fulfill the responsibilities of the General Secretary the best I can.
-To start a recruitment campaign to increase the region's population and activity.
-To oversee the transition to the new constitution if it is voted through.

Wu wei shan

1 year 171 days ago

Thanks for stepping up Kryftland! Any other nominees/volunteers for General Secretary or any other office? I'll leave this open until tomorrow.

The popular front

1 year 170 days ago

I agree with the new suggestions for the constitution. I would like to nominate myself for the position of Secretary of Internal Affairs and Secretary of International Affairs.

Wu wei shan

1 year 169 days ago

You have choose one, PF. If it's Internal Affairs, then the WAD has to appoint you. However your IntSec nomination is accepted.
OPEN VOTE:
For General Secretary/WAD:
A. Kryftland
B. None of the Above

For International Affairs Secretary:
A . The Popular Front
B. None of the Above

Pansocialist movement

1 year 169 days ago

Communique from The DSA:
Hello, Comrades!

I am contacting the leaders of the regions that currently have embassies with the Democratic Socialist Assembly to inform you all that I have been elected Minister of Foreign Affairs.

I would also like to let you all know that we currently only have one active ambassador out of the four that we should (The Protectorate of DSA Ambassador to UPFSThe Protectorate of DSA Ambassador to UPFS, controlled by The Democratic States of WindportThe Democratic States of Windport). The other three will be arriving shortly as soon as ambassadors are appointed to those positions.

I am looking forward to working with all of you! :)

The Democratic States of The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Kryftland

1 year 169 days ago

Secretariat votes
General Secretary: Abstain
International Affairs: Vote FOR The popular front

Post self-deleted by New canada.

Wu wei shan

1 year 167 days ago

we vote for both candidates.

The popular front

1 year 167 days ago

General Secretary: Kryftland
International Affairs: Abstain

New canada

1 year 167 days ago

New Canada votes for both candidates.

The arctic proletariat

1 year 166 days ago

Comrades!
I've just arrived from International Socialists. I'm looking for a more active socialist region to be a part of. I consider myself relatively new to NationStates, and I'm excited to get more acquainted with the nations in the United People's Front and the site in general.

Kryftland

1 year 166 days ago

Welcome The arctic proletariat, you have arrived at an exciting time with a new constitution in the making.

Wu wei shan

1 year 166 days ago

Ok All WA nations please Endorse Kryftland.
Welcome new Secretaries!

Kryftland

1 year 166 days ago

Thank you everyone for voting for me, albeit as the only candidate :/ and congratulations to The popular front, our new Secretary of International Affairs.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 165 days ago

Comrades, I must apologize for my lengthy absence and subsequent CTE. I had some issues come up IRL that demanded more attention than I thought I was capable of. I would like to offer what assistance I can while I can.

Skoalstraightius

Kryftland

1 year 164 days ago

No need to apologise, RL is more important. If you would like to help then you could assist me with recruiting, or even nominate yourself for Secretary of Recruitment, as we are in dire need of a membership boost.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 164 days ago

I'll hit the recruiting trail tonight.

Kryftland

1 year 164 days ago

Please remember, everyone, to endorse me. In the mean time, the non-exec WAD will have to carry out actions on our behalf.
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I have asked Wu wei shan to be Secretary of Internal Affairs - as their experience and expertise nicely counter-balances my relative newness - and they have accepted. Therefore I happily announce Wu wei shan to be the new Secretary of Internal Affairs of the UPFS.
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While there was no General Secretary, the stand-in WAD accepted all embassy requests. Thereby the following embassies were opened without a vote:
-The True Communist Region
-Diplomatica
-The Red Workers Union
Please vote yes or no (or abstain) for each of these embassies to keep them open or close them respectively.
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A new embassy policy has been proposed by the Secretary of International Affairs as a guideline for opening embassies. Please vote on People's Referendum Proposal 109.
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I have put forward Proposal 110 to be voted on in the People's Referendum. I suggest placing a link to <www.marxists.org> in our WFE. Please visit this site even if you vote against, as it is an invaluable resource for all leftists.
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As I mention in the above post, the priority for our region at the moment will be increasing our membership and activity, therefore anyone volunteering for recruiting will be appreciated.
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Finally I ask for volunteers to step forward to fill the Secretariat vacancies: the Secretary of Recruitment and the Secretary of Defence.

Wu wei shan

1 year 163 days ago

Abstain on TCR embassy, no to the others.

No to Prop 109 - while we agree with the principle of carefully choosing embassies based on politics (and this has been done pretty consistently in the past), the proposal is a restriction on the democratic will of the members and therefore we cannot support it.

Yes to Prop 110

New canada

1 year 163 days ago

Yes to TCR embassy
No to Diplomatica embassy
No to RWU embassy

Yes to Prop 109, but with the recommendation that political freedoms should be taken into consideration with greater lenience. Many nations need tighter control of their political systems to quell reactionaries.

Yes to Prop 110

New canada

1 year 162 days ago

Additionally, New Canada volunteers for the position of Secretary of Defense.

Ndocciata

1 year 162 days ago

Yes to TCR, no to the others.

Yes on Prop 109, Yes to Prop 110

Ndocciata

1 year 162 days ago

If no one else wishes to take on the mantle of Secretary of Recruitment, I will do so.

Kryftland

1 year 162 days ago

Thank you for stepping forwards comrades. Judging by the fact that these positions have been vacant for a long time, I doubt there will be any more candidates; therefore I will begin elections immediately.

Secretariat Election:

Secretary of Recruitment
A- Ndocciata
B- None of the above

Secretary of Defence
A- New canada
B- None of the above
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Kryftland's votes:
TTCR - Yes
Diplomatica - No
RWU - No
Prop109 - I initially agreed with this policy but I partly agree with WWS's comment therefore I will abstain.
Prop110 - Yes
S.o.Recruitment - For Ndocciata
S.o.Defence - For New canada

New canada

1 year 162 days ago

New Canada's Secretariat Votes:
Secretary of Recruitment - Ndocciata
Secretary of Defense - Abstain

Post self-deleted by Ndocciata.

Post self-deleted by Ndocciata.

Kryftland

1 year 161 days ago

Vote results:
The True Communist Region embassy remains OPEN.
Diplomatica embassy will be CLOSED.
The Red Workers Union embassy will be CLOSED.
Proposal 109 is APPROVED
Proposal 110 is APPROVED

Secretariat elections are still open.

New canada

1 year 161 days ago

Will Prop 109 affect current embassies held by the Front?

Ndocciata

1 year 161 days ago

Secretary of Defense- New canada
Secretary of Recruitment-Abstain

Kryftland

1 year 160 days ago

New Canada, the Int' Affairs secretary will be proposing a list of embassies to be closed down soon, and these will be voted on. This was already part of their responsibilities as per Proposal 99, the only difference is that Proposal 109 will be used as a guideline to identify embassies for closure in a consistent and systematic manner.

New canada

1 year 160 days ago

Thank you for clearing that up, comrade.

Kryftland

1 year 160 days ago

Elections are now finished; New canada is the new Secretary of Defence and Ndocciata is the new Secretary of Recruitment.
Also a reminder that the Strength Through Unity Act requires that all WA nations endorse the General Secretary, and that all WA nations except the GenSec endorse the Secretary of Internal Affairs: Wu wei shan.

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Kryftland

1 year 159 days ago

Ok everyone, prepare for a big vote!
Fulfilling their secretarial responsibilities, The popular front has finished a review of our current embassies, and has compiled suggested openings and closures.

Current embassies suggested for closure:
(Please vote 'FOR' to agree with closing the embassy, and vote 'AGAINST' to vote to keep the embassy open; or you may abstain.)
1- Leninist Russia
2- CCCP
3- The Sovereign Socialist States
4- Revolutionary Vietnam
5- Sucre
6 -Luanda
7- Paris Commune
8- China
9- Marxism
10- Regional Defense Committee
11- Union of Socialists

Embassy proposals:
(Please vote 'FOR' to vote for opening the embassy; and vote 'AGAINST' to vote not to open the embassy; or you may abstain.)
A- Social Liberal Union
B- The United Social Democrats
C- Anarchist Alliance
D- Anarchy
E- Anarcho Communist Hermit Society
F- Democratic Communist States
G- New Communist Region
H- The Soviet Bloc
I- The Communist Region
J- Alliance of Socialist States
K- The Alternative Left

Use the letters and numbers to save writing out all region names.
Let the voting begin!

New canada

1 year 158 days ago

New Canada Votes:
1. - For
2. - For
3. - Against
4. - For
5. - Against
6. - Against
7. - Against
8. - Against
9. - Against
10. - For
11. - For

A. - For
B. - Against
C. - Against
D. - For
E. - Abstain
F. - For
G. - Against
H. - For
I. - For
J. - Against
K. - Against

New canada

1 year 158 days ago

Attention, comrades!

This is your Secretary of Defense. This term, I plan to make a proposal to UPFS that clearly defines:

A.) A nation in need of liberation.
B.) A nation that presents a considerable threat to the peace.

With the enactment of such a proposal, we will be better able to determine the legality of a given conflict that the UFPS wishes to pursue. I am asking for volunteers to collaborate on this proposal in a committee. I am needing three or four other nations willing to participate with me in the committee.

Thank you for your time, comrades.

Wu wei shan

1 year 158 days ago

It is my duty to point this out RE conflict legality:

ARTICLE 6- On Voluntary Associations
SECTION 1- The Unity-Army
The purpose of the Unity-Army is to provide regional defense from internal conflict. The army is to consist of only WA members. Also, the leader and organizer of the army is the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense must report to the General Secretary, Secretary of Internal Affairs, and Secretary of International Affairs before any military actions are taken. The Unity-Army may be legally deployed in an ideologically aligned region that may have come under attack or is in dire need of defense.
CLAUSE 1- Voluntary Brigades
Voluntary Brigades are defined as groups of individual nations within UPFS that organize to liberate or invade other regions. Voluntary Brigades do not belong to the Unity-Army. Voluntary Brigades may be made by nations within the UPFS. The Voluntary Brigades do not represent the viewpoint of the UPFS. Members of Voluntary Brigades are considered volunteers and may be recruited within UPFS.

Votes:
closing - yes : 1, 2, 8, 9, 11 No : 3, 4, 5 ,6, 7, 10
opening - yes : A thru K except for No: F and Abstain: E (has a bad link)

Kryftland

1 year 158 days ago

Apologies, region E should be Anarco Communist Hermit Society.

Votes:
Closing: FOR-1-2-5-6-8-9-11 ; AGAINST-3-4-10 ; ABSTAIN-7
Opening: FOR-A-D-H-I-K ; AGAINST-B-F ; ABSTAIN-C-E-G-J

The popular front

1 year 158 days ago

The Popular Front Votes:

Closing: FOR 1-11
Opening: FOR A-K

Wu wei shan

1 year 158 days ago

yes to E

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 158 days ago

Kryftland! Congratulations on becoming Delegate! We in the DSA are very happy to see that you are doing well here in the UPFS! But that doesn't mean we don't miss you!

Congrats again!

- Terlibe

Kryftland

1 year 157 days ago

Thank you Terlibe, it's nice to see the DSA doing so well also.

Kryftland

1 year 157 days ago

The embassy review is complete.
The following embassies are being closed: Leninist Russia; CCCP; China; Marxism; Union of Socialists.
The following embassies will be requested: Social Liberal Union; Anarchist Alliance; Anarchy; Anarco Communist Hermit Society; New Communist Region; The Soviet Bloc; The Communist Region; Alliance of Socialist States; The Alternative Left.

A reminder for nations of the UPFS to volunteer to help the Secretary of Defence, New canada, to draft a proposal further defining the role of the Unity Army, within the limits of the Constitution. This is a good opportunity to test the voluntary committee system of government (as opposed to secretarial) in light of the third constitution currently being drafted.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 156 days ago

Thank you too, Kryftland.

Well, I'm off to do some diplomatic stuff with this puppet. Talk to you all later!

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 154 days ago

I volunteer for the Unity Army comrades.

Kryftland

1 year 154 days ago

Has anyone here read the New Internationalist magazine? I've read a couple of issues and it really seems to break the trend of the usual current affairs writing.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 152 days ago

I've read it in the past, always enjoyed it.

Wu wei shan

1 year 150 days ago

Went back and made some adjustments to the new constitution draft based on Cde. Kryftland's previous post: viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure. (for proposals)
not sure what is needed - will come back to this point later
fixed

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.
fixed

Article 4 - The Committee System: ... however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.
Section 2 Clause 5 added

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse.
fixed

who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?
added to Founder's Committee duties

any other suggestions are welcome!

Kryftland

1 year 150 days ago

Embassy requests from Republic of Seychelles and Council for Mutual Economic Assistance have been rejected as they do not fullfil the requirements of the embassy policy.

Kryftland

1 year 149 days ago

People of the UPFS,
Recently, we sent out requests to the following three regions: The communist region, New Communist Region, and The True Communist Region. I apologise for the fact that I was not fully aware of the situation between these regions before putting them up to vote, however it now transpires that these are three factions of what used to be a single communist region, and that there is an active dispute between them. This would not be much of a problem if we successfully established embassies with all three (thereby not taking sides), however, the delegate of The communist region telegrammed me to say that they would deny our embassy request because we are building embassies with the New Communist Region. As it stands, we have an embassy established with The True Communist Region, we are currently building embassies with New Communist Region and are embassy request to The communist region has been ignored. On the basis that - especially as exponents of PanSocialism and left-wing unity - we should not involve ourselves in factionalism, myself and The popular front have agreed that we should consider cancelling all embassies and embassy requests with these three regions. Our reaction, as a region, however, will be decided by a vote - please vote for A or B or abstain.

-A- Embassy requests and embassies with the regions The communist region, New Communist Region, and The True Communist Region, will be cancelled.
-B- No further action should be taken.

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Kryftland votes A

Wu wei shan

1 year 148 days ago

B of the Three, The Communist region is the smallest. We should not get involved with other region's dispute except to respect the wishes of those who decline.

Vrazda

1 year 148 days ago

Greetings all. I am an alternate nation of the original founder of this fine region. Do not be put off by this nation's political affiliations, I am who many may know as The Geopolitical Manifestation of Undying Revolution. I am just stopping by to check on things.

If you will count my vote, I say B and echo the sentiments of my comrade Wu wei shan, one who was with me in the beginning if I recall correctly. It was I who brought PanSocialism to the forefront of this region and those beyond. The PanSocialist thing to do is to provide an olive branch to all advocates of our cause regardless of disputes that may be among them. It is more appropriate in this circumstance to consider mediation to mend their divides than to reject all hope of diplomatic relations. We must continue to operate in the way of the funtunfunefu-denkyemfunefu we have emblazoned on our flag.

Wu wei shan

1 year 148 days ago

Welcome Back U.R.

Kryftland

1 year 148 days ago

Welcome back to the region Undying Revolution! The situation with the communist regions is difficult for me because I know next to nothing about them and their issues, and as such I didn't want to stride head first into their conflict. However, I can see that cancelling embassies was perhaps the wrong approach; I felt this was the best immediate response because as it stands, we will effectively be rejecting The Communist Region's 'ultimatum' in favour of embassies with the New Communist Region, which could be viewed as taking their side in the dispute, thus it was for the exact reason of not wishing to get involved in their dispute that I thought it best simply to withdraw from the situation and then consider our options, including offering mediation. How could we offer neutral mediation if we hold embassies with one but not the other?
However, this is not my decision, but the region's; the vote will last another day. Considering your advice, WWS and Undying Revolution, I will change my vote to B and begin researching the situation more carefully.

Kryftland

1 year 148 days ago

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PLA China and CSSR were the two executives of The communist region, once upon a time, and they had a conflict of interest when CSSR got deleted and PLA evacuated the region. CSSR, now as World Wide Soviets, started New Communist Region because he believed he had the right to succession, and PLA China entrusted me to form this region because he believed he had the authority to do so. I sided with PLA China, not because it would make me founder but because I thought him better than CSSR.

However, this regional split made both sides hate each other and see each other as illegitimate. One day I realized that these were the same comrades of The communist region, simply split into different sides. I decided that this was the time the fighting stop and peace start - from then on I could never tolerate a faction among communists.

"Workers of the world, unite", indeed! For freedom!
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Well that's as good a start as any for understanding the situation, so I thought I would share it.

The popular front

1 year 147 days ago

The Popular Front votes A because only opening embassies with certain regions entails taking sides; although I do think it would be appropriate to offer some type of mediation capacity, if possible, to try to end this petty factionalism.

New canada

1 year 146 days ago

New canada votes for option A.

Kryftland

1 year 146 days ago

Apologies The Popular Front for changing my position after agreeing with you. Other than the advice of WWS and UR, there are several other reasons for changing my mind. Firstly I realised that the contention was primarily between the True Communist Region and the New Communist Region - both of whom we already have embassies established with; secondly, their genuine moves towards peace and hopefully reconciliation have changed the situation such that cancelling embassies appears to be somewhat an overreaction but also such that it becomes more possible for us to reattempt establishing embassies with The Communist Region; and thirdly that The Communist Region - the only region of the three which we do not hold embassies with - appears peripheral in the issue considering that it is being evacuated and its membership is now distributed between the other two communist regions.

Kryftland

1 year 145 days ago

The vote is now closed, a little late.
2 votes for A
3 votes for B
The embassies will remain open.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 144 days ago

Hello everyone in the United Peoples Front for Socialist!

I am here on another diplomatic tour! I hope everyone is well! If this is a bad time, just let me know.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Wu wei shan

1 year 144 days ago

Hi Cde Terlibe. Always a seat by the fire for you :)

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 144 days ago

Why thank you, Wu Wei Shan! It's nice and toasty! ;P

Kryftland

1 year 143 days ago

Ndocciata was recently elected Secretary of Recruitment. After a postive start, they stopped responding to my telegrams. Wu Wei Shan warned them that they must respond or be charged with dereliction of their duties. Without any message to myself or our region, Ndocciata has departed. Needless to say that they have forfeited their secretariat position. It is a sad day to lose a comrade from our community in such a manner, but nonetheless I wish them the best of luck with whatever they plan to do next, and I would like to say that we harbour no bad feelings for them and they are always welcome in the UPFS.

However, we must move forward. I appeal to every member of this region: volunteer for Secretary of Recruitment, step forwards to take responsibility for this most essential task. No matter whether you have experience, all I ask for is dedication.

New canada

1 year 143 days ago

That's quite unfortunate. My experiences with Ndocciata were only pleasant.

Kryftland

1 year 142 days ago

Is anyone here involved in communist/leftist activity outside of the internet?

New canada

1 year 142 days ago

I've been involved with many of the demonstrations organized by the Chicago branch of the USA's Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Our country does not have nearly enough leftists.

Kryftland

1 year 142 days ago

Good work New Canada. I am wanting to get involved with real-life communist activism but there is little opportunity for me living in the highly conservative south of England. Communists here are mocked as either fringe lunatics or naive idealists; voting for a party other than the main three is considered radical, which about says it all; and finally, Britain is so politically apathetic that even the revelations of en masse government surveillance of the population provoked little more reaction than a few days of complaining. I was hoping to join a communist/socialist party/group but the myriad of organisations is confounding, and I can't establish a true measure of which ones are genuine because they are all trying to undercut each other. It truly disillusions me to see a few dozen different communist groups squabbling other who's following the 'true path' and sneering at each others organisational failings... meanwhile the conservatives are deconstructing the welfare state, slowly torturing to death any proletarian solidarity while they crush them below the bread line and simultaneously driving forward their economically neoliberal and politically nationalist agenda. Just viewing the state of the left on NationStates makes me sad - we are so atomised that there must be more leftist regions than there are actually leftist nations, alongside the futile factionalism that plagues NS in a cruel incognizent caricature of real life - The DSA and Internationale in a cold war, The Communist Region in itself divided into three factions disputing leadership (ironic for people holding communist ideas). Workers of the world unite!... we may dream.

New canada

1 year 141 days ago

Communists in the USA aren't much better off to be completely honest. Our entire population is divided between two parties that act like socialized medicine, gay marriage, and abortion are the only issues in existence. Communists are generally seen as traitors, lunatics, murderers, etc. Not only that, but the Communist Party USA openly backs imperialistic neoliberalism, so we don't actually have a sizeable group to rally behind. I have to agree with you on the state of the left. We just need to get over petty differences and unify as a class. We can overcome the red scare over the general populace once we overcome each other.

Kryftland

1 year 141 days ago

The CPUSA supports imperialist neoliberalism? Why?

I found this summary of far-left groups in Britain: http://bit.ly/199Dg77
I count eighteen groups. I don't know if there are any British communists here who can advise me on which group to join.

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

The CPUSA publicly backed the platform and campaign of Barack Obama.

Also, I know comrades in the CPGB-ML and it would seem that despite their idolization of the DPRK, they are the closest party the UK has to a firmly Marxist-Leninist party.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

Are there any CPUSA members currently in any level of government?

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

There's no one outside the Democratic, Republican, or Libertarian parties in the US gov't.

Post self-deleted by The foreign diplomat of terlibe.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

What about in state and local governments?

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

There are very rare occasions when third-parties are elected to local governments.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

Hm. Interesting. You'd think there would be a community or two out there that would favor a third party.

Wu wei shan

1 year 140 days ago

It would be a cold day in hell before a communist was elected in the US.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 139 days ago

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with that. However, I'm surprised there aren't communities that lean towards a different third party.

Wu wei shan

1 year 138 days ago

I believe there are some Greens holding office here and there. But rather than claim a party and/or take a stand, most politicians prefer to call themselves "Independent". Like Bernie Sanders.

New canada

1 year 138 days ago

He's likely the farthest left member of the senate, which is unfortunate because he's barely center-left.

Kryftland

1 year 136 days ago

Government Announcement

I have added Proposal 111 to the People's Referendum.
PR Proposal 105 currently allows the WAD to initiate a vote on a WA resolution, and themselves vote according to the result. This proposal, number 111, extends the right to initiate such a vote to every member of the region, and further clarifies the procedure.
In this way I believe Proposal 111 consolidates the WAD's WA vote as being under the authority of our region's direct democracy.
I believe it is right to subordinate the WAD's personal vote under direct democracy because their vote affects not only the result of the WA resolution, but also affects our regional image, and more essentially because the WAD is representing the views of WA members endorsing them - and symbolically representing the views of the entire region - when they cast their vote.
"There is no matter of regional functionality that is above democracy. The very tenets of direct democracy are to forever pervade the agenda of the UPFS."
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I would like to remind everyone that the position of Secretary of Recruitment is vacant. Any volunteers for the position should nominate themselves as soon as possible.
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Embassy requests from 'ALBA' and 'Council for Mutual Economic Assistance' were rejected, as they did not comply with the first requirement of our Embassy Policy (P109).
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Another reminder that the Third Constitution is still being drafted. Please take the time to read through it and suggest any corrections, additions or deletions. The Third Constitution can be read here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=244531&sid=4a63e56b6ada33a7210844bae73511ad

New canada

1 year 136 days ago

New Canada votes yes on Proposal 111.

Wu wei shan

1 year 135 days ago

If WA members are allowed to vote for the WA response, they are in effect voting twice (or at least able to vote twice). That's why only non-WA members were included in that resolution. However, I think the WAD can do what ever it wants with its vote.
We applaud the intention of expanding democracy. Yes to 111.

Wu wei shan

1 year 135 days ago

* should read "WAD response"

Kryftland

1 year 133 days ago

I vote for Proposal 111.
The voting time is now over, Proposal 111 is passed.
Once the current resolution votes have finished, anyone may now request a World Assembly Referendum.

The popular front

1 year 133 days ago

I vote for Proposal 111; sorry I am late

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 133 days ago

I am sorry for the abrupt departure but this puppet is needed immediately.

Thank you all for your hospitality!

Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DSA

Post self-deleted by New canada.

New canada

1 year 132 days ago

Farewell, Terlibe!

Ambibia

1 year 131 days ago

I really need to stop being "that guy"

New canada

1 year 131 days ago

Oh, Ambibia. I don't think you're "that guy." I love you just as much as I love the rest of the Front.

Wu wei shan

1 year 130 days ago

lol Ambibia - do tell what you did this time

Ambibia

1 year 126 days ago

nothing much, just need to get more active, just stop drifting in and out... maybe i should roleplay something...

Kryftland

1 year 126 days ago

The embassy request from the region Council for Mutual Economic Assistance was rejected for not complying with requirements 1 and 2 of the Embassy Policy.

Reminders:
-We need a volunteer for Secretary of Recruitment
-The Third Constitution (viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23) is still being drafted, so please review and respond.

Kryftland

1 year 126 days ago

Every time I'm on the forum reading threads related to socialism, I just read comment after comment of people making strawman arguments against communism. Things like: 'under communism you have no freedom, you are forced to be equal' or 'everyone would be equally poor' or 'a doctor would earn the same as a cleaner', and so on and so forth. It truly infuriates me. So I was thinking of writing up a rebuttal of all these strawman arguments for the forum, and I thought it would be better if it was a joint effort. Is anyone interested?

Kryftland

1 year 125 days ago

Sorry for the triple post.
I propose opening embassies with:
-The Proletariat Coalition
-United Socialist Republics

I vote for both, obviously ;)

Wu wei shan

1 year 125 days ago

I gave up trying to have discussions about socialism/communism on the forums.

Yes to both embassies.

New canada

1 year 125 days ago

New Canada votes yes to both embassies.

Kryftland

1 year 124 days ago

On second thoughts I don't think I will bother with the forum idea, it would probably not be worth the time.

Wu wei shan

1 year 123 days ago

The next issue is regarding The Left Interregional, and more specifically the Regional Defense Committee. I mistakenly suggested that we would have to quit the LI to join this alliance, when in actual fact we only need to quit the Regional Defense Committee, the military division of the LI. I think we are all agreed we would like to quit the RDC in favour of this new defensive alliance, although obviously it would be decided by a vote.

According to V Ming there is new leadership at the RDC, and they are involved in the same action I (with the Red Fleet) am over at Axis Nations Alliance. In light of this, I say we remain in the RDC, at least until SSR's proposal becomes more concrete, and in the meantime improve the communications process.

Right now, the Defense Secretary has a regional puppet there and theoretically would let the UPFS know about any operations. Not only does this not appear to be happening, but it seems inefficient as well. I propose that any player wanting to be notified of RDC actions send a telegram (like I did) requesting that the two currently in charge, Rodong 1 and Danadea the wild, add you to their dossiers for future TG notification, along with pertinent information to confirm your identity as not a Nazi spy.

Wu wei shan

1 year 123 days ago

7. Medals
While looking through the NSWiki, I noticed the medals/ribbons/awards. If someone could take it on themselves to update the honor roll then I'm sure it would be appreciated be everyone. This task probably fits into the responsibilities of me or Wu Wei Shan.

The medals thing was a lark of mine some time ago thinking the region would enjoy getting decorated like the old Soviets. It didn't appear too many others but me we interested so I stopped keeping up on it a long time ago. What does the region feel about it?

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

I'm not really bothered about the medals much myself, but seeing as they were there and legislated for, I assumed it would be necessary to keep them updated.

On the matter of the Regional Defense Committee, I can only assume there has been an almighty communications failure. I quite understandably thought the LI and RDC were inactive and at a dead end. There has been no significant activity of the RMB's of the LI or RDC for about half a year, I have not been contacted by anyone regarding either organisation since I became General Secretary (or at all), and when I enquired with the CPNS WAD about the status of the LI, I was ignored. Next thing I know, and the RDC is involved in military action in the Axis Nations Alliance, which I only learn about because Wu Wei Shan happens to be there with a different organisation. What exactly is going on here? Please, someone tell me!

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

I'm really quite bothered about the LI. This is ridiculous.

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

Both embassies pass.

I have posted the following message on the RDC RMB: page=rmb/postid=3683348
If I am not responded to very soon I will start a vote to leave the RDC.

Wu wei shan

1 year 122 days ago

The LI and the RDC are run by different people if I remember correctly. The LI has been pretty inactive, and keeping tabs on them falls under International Secy. duties. The RDC is the military wing of the LI, which recently became active but used to be run by V Ming, and falls under the duties of Defense Secy. Yes, communication has been bad. It appears our membership has been largely symbolic for a long time so we can all decide how we want to move forward.

Kryftland

1 year 122 days ago

So...
-The LI and the RDC are independently governed.
-The LI is mostly inactive.
-The RDC has recently become active, and is currently deployed on a military operation in Axis Nations Alliance.
-The RDC has deployed on a military operation without contacting one of its member regions (us).
-Neither the LI or the RDC have contacted us at all since I have become GS, and who knows how long before that.

If the LI is inactive, and the RDC are deploying on ops without even telling us, what is the point of our membership? I don't think 'symbolic importance' is a good enough justification in what is supposed to be a revolutionary movement.

What does everyone else have to say about this?

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Wu wei shan

1 year 121 days ago

OK I read the poopstorm over on RDC's RMB. Everything can be fixed by following the "TG to leadership strategy" I explained above and/or making the Secretary of Defense , ahem New canada!, alert to their responsibility to check in on the RDC regularly. I recommend staying in the RDC at this time.

As for the Left Interregional, staying will only be useful if we plan on regularly checking on them with the International Secretary puppet, ahem The popular front! If we choose to leave we should make sure to build embassies with each member region if we haven't done so already. Personally I would rather stay in both.

Kryftland should not have to do all this work himself. If you hold a secretary position by gum you should be performing the duties, and if you don't know them, ask. Kryftland, you as WAD can delegate duties to secretaries and whoever else you please if things get overwhelming. All of the members of both regions are old comrades of the UPFS and maybe the tone got a little too harsh. First Nations, where Danadea the wild hails from, was a welcome surprise to last year's LeftExpo and their involvement with leftist causes is a boon. The mutual inactivity of both us and them has caused a lot of stagnation and oversight, but these are easily fixed and no bridges need burned.

For the record, since they were both brought up in discussion, Bagong hukbong bayan and Baarle-hertog h-23 are both my puppets.

Kryftland

1 year 121 days ago

Yes, the tone had become too harsh, and I've tried to bring the discussion back to a reasonable level. I do not wish to burn bridges. You are correct, from here we can now easily fix the situation. I am still very concerned that we had been effectively excluded, but it seems circumstance was most at fault.

Kryftland

1 year 120 days ago

General Secretary elections!

My term as UPFS General Secretary will be ending on 14 August. Here is the timetable for the change:
9th-12th: Nominations
13th-14th: Elections
15th: New General Secretary term begins

I will not be running for re-election, so we need new candidates!

Wu wei shan

1 year 119 days ago

I'll volunteer if no one else steps up.

Post by Boycott sochi 2014 suppressed by a moderator.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 117 days ago

I formally nominate Wu wei shan.

Kryftland

1 year 117 days ago

The UPFS General Secretary elections are now officially open! (23:30 GMT 12.08.13)

Please vote for:
-Wu wei shan
-None of the above

Voting will end at 23:30 GMT on 14.08.13

Kryftland

1 year 117 days ago

I vote for Wu wei shan.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 116 days ago

I deeply apologize to all of you in the United Peoples Front for Socialism for the ceasing to exist of the Ambassador. The DSA is taking all of the appropriate actions to get you a new Ambassador as soon as possible!

Until then, I will be acting as Ambassador if that is okay with all of you.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Kryftland

1 year 116 days ago

Welcome back Terlibe.

New canada

1 year 116 days ago

New Canada votes for Wu Wei Shan.

Kryftland

1 year 115 days ago

The vote is at an end:
Wu wei shan is elected the new General Secretary of the United Peoples Front for Socialism!
Congratulations!

Everyone please endorse Wu wei shan (once they have rejoined the WA).

Kryftland

1 year 115 days ago

Dear comrades of the UPFS,

Kryftland is leaving NationStates for good. I have had a great time here at the United Peoples Front for Socialism, and I hope this region will reach the greatness it deserves. I have made some friends here, who I am sad to say goodbye to, but I wish you the best of luck in NS and in real life - you are true comrades. Make sure that the third constitution is not lost to time, and hold true our principle of direct democracy and socialist solidarity. I want to finish on a little text I wrote regarding the recent fascist offensives:

We've got a war to fight, not of conquest but of fortitude. The forces of oppression stand at our gates, galvanised by wanton destruction, while we stand asunder... fall asunder.

Their power is born in annihilation, and therein lies a fatal weakness, for humanity naturally despises its own undoing, while regarding no less than communistic liberty and equality universal, the desire for which transcends all tendencies, and resolves our diversity into unity.

So long as each individual campaigns for a corner of the circle, the forces of fascism and tyranny may reign supreme. But at the feet of the power of the masses united, the last agent of inhumanity will lay down their sword, and we shall proclaim the ideal anarchy complete.

Guard the fire of PanSocialism.

In solidarity,
Goodbye from Kryftland / Nydasica / Tawkania

Wu wei shan

1 year 115 days ago

Wise words, comrade! Best of luck in your future endeavors and we'll be here if you ever decide to come back or say hi.

Unfortunately I made a stupid mistake volunteering for WAD, as my WA status is off bashing the fash for the Red Fleet. I will not be able to re-join the WA with Wu Wei Shan for the forseeable future. Hopefully someone else will step up and give it a whirl. I do offer my services as Internal Affairs Secy. to whoever does and will be more than happy to help someone new learn the ropes. That said, if anyone tries any monkey business, I'm real tight with the Pansocialist movement and he'll be more than ready to square things away.

New canada

1 year 115 days ago

Farewell, comrade.

You will be sorely missed, but we shall persevere.

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Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 115 days ago

Godspeed, Kryftland!

You will be sorely missed by all here in the UPFS and in your former region, the DSA. Personally, I am very sad to see you go!

Good luck!

-Terlibe

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 113 days ago

Sad to see Kryftland go. Godspeed comrade.

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Ambibia

1 year 112 days ago

Since when am I WAD?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 112 days ago

Since you have the most endorsements Comrade!

Ambibia

1 year 111 days ago

well alllllllrighty then!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 111 days ago

Well I guess that calls for a "Congratulations," Ambibia!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 108 days ago

Good news!

The Foreign Ministry of the DSA has appointed a new Ambassador to the UPFS! They will announce themselves on the RMB with this puppet once they get situated.

Of course, this means I will not longer be acting as the interim Ambassador.

It has been a pleasure serving you for this short period of time! I'm sure I will talk to you all soon! :)

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DSA

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 107 days ago

We'll miss your service The Democratic States of Terlibe. You're always welcome back!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 107 days ago

Hello!

I am Free world alliance, DSA's new Ambassador to the UPFS. I am very excited to have this job; to be like a link between two great regions. Even though it's my first job as an Ambassador, I hope everything will work out and I will try to do my best.

I believe we can work together as friends. I am really happy to be here, in your community and I hope I suit in. I can't tell you yet, how good I am and I can't tell you, if I'm as great as The Democratic States of Terlibe, who held this position for the short time here and did a great job, but I can tell you, that your region is amazing and I hope I am amazing enough to serve as the Ambassador to this region.

Now a bit of myself, or actually, about my nation. The Free World Alliance is a somewhat democratic nation, though actually, the system/form of government is a bit more complicated. We believe that all citizens of the nation should have great civil rights, but most of all, we want to achieve world peace (though it's not most likely to succeed). We want to have a safe, compassionate nation whose people care about each other.

Sincerely,
Free world alliance
DSA Ambassador to UPFS

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 106 days ago

WelcomeFree world alliance! I'm sure you will fit in well here. Many members of our region are attending other duties or on leaves of absence so are activity is not at its peak. If you have any questions feel free to ask away.

Ambibia

1 year 104 days ago

Welcome! we look forward to your diplomacy!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 104 days ago

Thank you for the warm welcome! I am looking forward to working together with you.

Ambibia

1 year 102 days ago

My fellow Comrades,

Over the past year of playing nationstates, it has been a great honor to call this my home region. I have enjoyed working with you, debating, and solving dilemmas for the good of our fellow comrades across NS. I have been able to share timeless memories during our heydays as a region. Sadly, I feel though, that the time has come for me to strech my wings and fly from this nest onto somewhere more active as a region. I am hereby suspending my term as WAD starting 24 hours from now in order to move out of the region and onto one that I find will better suit my playing experience. It has been great working with you, comrades.

May the Struggle for PanSocialism continue!

-Ambibia

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 102 days ago

It's sad to see you leaving. But well, if that's your choice, then may you find a place that suits your needs! On the behalf of Democratic Socialist Assembly, I wish you good luck!

Sincerely,
Free world alliance
DSA Ambassador to UPFS

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 101 days ago

Wish you well Ambibia. It seems our region has come to the point of inactivity that is close to death. Enjoy yourself, comrade.

Wu wei shan

1 year 101 days ago

Due to recent events here in the UPFS, I would like to open the topics of either closing down the region or seeking a merger with one or more of the regions we have an embassy with. While everyone has their own playstyle, the vast majority of nations remaining are either inactive or have never been heard from since joining. I am reasonably sure we have been infiltrated for some time. Political activity is at a standstill. There aren't a whole lot of good signs at all.

Anyone have anything to say on this?

Pansocialist movement

1 year 101 days ago

Secretary of International Affairs has become vacant due to inactivity. Anyone wishing to fulfill the duties please make yourself known.

Iconoclastic carbon

1 year 98 days ago

Comrades I ask you to re-evaluate your relationship with DSA. To me it seems obvious that a Comrade region of TRF would have problems with this statement below:

This post can be found on CIL's RMB:

" Ahem........ UDL member here that helped pull your collective asses out of the fire, remember? Just because a few UDL'ers happen to reside in the DSA, does not make the DSA a UDL supporter. The UDL is an unaffiliated organization, with ties to NO region. By that stretch there are over 200 regions that support the UDL. Are they all against you as well?

The UDL unequivocally defends anyone. Commie, Fash, Dictator, Raider, Pacifist.

While I can't fully speak for the UDL or it's operations, if you really want to know so much about them, join us in the UDL. You might see, were actually not all that bad. I on the other hand as a charter member of the DSA, WILL defend it's actions. " - UFoc UDL puppet of Alberrta

Best Wishes,

Casita

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

Personally, I wish the DSA would boot any UDL member caught defending fascists. This should be included in any peace agreement. It sticks in my craw that the DSA carries the Anti-Fash tag but allows fash defenders to live there. One or other should go.

That said, I wish the Internationale (where a puppet of mine has lived for a while) would stop mining other regions' RMBs for the Outrage d' Jour, even if for a little while. Their anger is engulfing an ever increasing number of regions who are guilty of nothing more than being friendly with other leftist regions.

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

via Ambibia

I would suggest you and a couple other coming with me in my new region, The Next Generation Alliance. The group is multi-political, very active, and tons of ways to get involved.

A possible new home if anyone is looking.

Iconoclastic carbon

1 year 97 days ago

How else am I supposed to prove the connection?

Is DSA really a left region?

No one on TI has lashed out on any other region for being friendly with other left regions.

I think it's time to send a message that fash appeasing will not be tolerated and if a region decides to appease then, so be it, but why should comrade regions fight to keep relations with such a region?

I don't see why it is a big deal to stand together, at first, I thought our comrade regions would be more than happy to join TI in a symbolic stance against the fash appeasing 'left' that is the DSA. Now, I'm confused.

So I ask you Comrades to consider closing embassies with the DSA.

Best Wishes,

Casita

The Protectorate of The Special Envoy of Terlibe

1 year 97 days ago

Comrades,

The DSA stands by you, and will continue to stand by you. We absolutely want our embassy to remain open. However, in the unfortunate event the UPFS does choose to close embassies with the DSA, make it because you want to, not because of the wishes of someone else.

We apologize this TI-DSA conflict has spilled over here. The DSA understands it does not involve you, and that you should not have to choose between the DSA and TI. Both embassies should remain open, and everything should go back to the way it was. There is no need for this bickering.

I also want to take this time to say that if this region does close down, the nations of the UPFS are more than welcome to come to the DSA. Just make sure you have civil rights and political freedoms above 'average.' The current qualification is 'good' but a new Charter is in the process of being created, and part of it is that we are lowering the requirement to 'average.'

Thank you all, and I apologize if I am intruding.

Your friend and former ambassador,
Terlibe

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

Does anyone have anything to say concerning the embassies with The Democratic Socialist Alliance and the Communist International League?

The United Savannah of Giraffe Republics

1 year 96 days ago

Does anyone mind if this non-diplomatic puppet of mine resides here?

- Terlibe

Wu wei shan

1 year 95 days ago

Comrades
I did what I thought was right. I apologize for any hurt feelings. My time here is at an end, and perhaps the region's as well. Farewell and good luck.

Yours for Socialism
WWS

Kryftland

1 year 71 days ago

"Men be better and more surely knit together by love and benevolence than by covenants of leagues, by hearty affection of mind than by words."
The fire of PanSocialism will reawaken in the UPFS. In our hearts we are united by the desire for world of liberty and equality. Only in unity can we stand up to the forces of capital.

Major Events

99 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
161 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
165 days ago: Embassy closed with The Internationale.
335 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
1 year 22 days ago: Embassy closed with The Red Fleet.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Anarchist Alliance.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Alternative Left.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The True Communist Region.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Paris Commune.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with First Nations.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Sucre.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Luanda.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Sovereign Socialist States.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Democratic Social Union.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist Beach.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Regional Defense Committee.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist International.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Left Interregional.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Proletariat Coalition.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with CSSR.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Revolutionary Vietnam.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Globalis Politica.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Angola.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with New Communist Region.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Coffee House.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with International Socialists.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Union of Communist Republics.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Communist Party of NationStates.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist International League.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Anarchy.
1 year 87 days ago: Perezonia removed as WA Delegate (reign: 18 days).
1 year 96 days ago: Embassy closed with Democratic Socialist Assembly.
1 year 105 days ago: Perezonia elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign after 13 days).
1 year 119 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending Kryftland's reign after 44 days).
1 year 123 days ago: Embassy opened with The Proletariat Coalition.
1 year 152 days ago: Embassy opened with New Communist Region.
1 year 154 days ago: Embassy opened with Anarchist Alliance.
1 year 155 days ago: Embassy closed with Musical socialism and communism.
1 year 157 days ago: Embassy opened with The Alternative Left.
1 year 157 days ago: Embassy opened with Anarchy.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Union of Socialists.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Marxism.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with China.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with CCCP.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Leninist Russia.
1 year 161 days ago: Embassy closed with Diplomatica.
1 year 161 days ago: Embassy closed with The Red Workers Union.
1 year 164 days ago: Kryftland elected WA Delegate (ending Wu wei shan's reign after 151 days).
1 year 174 days ago: Embassy closed with The Union of Nations Against Fascism.
1 year 177 days ago: Embassy closed with United Socialist Republic of Indonesia.
1 year 188 days ago: Embassy opened with The True Communist Region.
1 year 189 days ago: Embassy opened with Diplomatica.
1 year 189 days ago: Embassy opened with The Red Workers Union.
1 year 235 days ago: Embassy closed with Rejected Communists.
1 year 246 days ago: Embassy opened with Musical socialism and communism.
1 year 265 days ago: Embassy closed with Krandovia.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Green Anarchy.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Eurasian Economic Community.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with The united armies of anofel.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Zenland.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with International League of Communist States.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist commonwealth.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with The Evil Empire.
1 year 276 days ago: Embassy opened with Globalis Politica.
1 year 282 days ago: Embassy closed with Syndicated Red Black Tendencies.
1 year 288 days ago: Embassy opened with Coffee House.
1 year 293 days ago: Embassy opened with Rejected Communists.
1 year 316 days ago: Wu wei shan elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign).
1 year 316 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future's reign).
1 year 317 days ago: The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future elected WA Delegate (ending Pribram's reign).
1 year 317 days ago: Pribram elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign after 54 days).
1 year 322 days ago: Embassy closed with New China Politburo.
1 year 333 days ago: Embassy opened with Green Anarchy.
1 year 338 days ago: Embassy opened with Zenland.
1 year 338 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist commonwealth.
1 year 344 days ago: Embassy closed with Maoism third worldism.
1 year 362 days ago: Embassy opened with Union of Socialists.
2 years 4 days ago: Embassy opened with The Left Interregional.
2 years 7 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending Pribram's reign after 17 days).
2 years 16 days ago: Embassy opened with United Socialist Republic of Indonesia.
2 years 24 days ago: Pribram elected WA Delegate (ending The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future's reign after 36 days).
2 years 25 days ago: Embassy opened with Regional Defense Committee.
2 years 30 days ago: Embassy opened with Marxism.
2 years 32 days ago: Embassy closed with IMCWP.
2 years 38 days ago: Embassy opened with IMCWP.
2 years 43 days ago: Embassy opened with Eurasian Economic Community.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The united armies of anofel.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with CSSR.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with International League of Communist States.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The Evil Empire.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The Communist Party of NationStates.
2 years 52 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist International League.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with China.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with Paris Commune.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with The Internationale.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with Syndicated Red Black Tendencies.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with First Nations.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with Democratic Socialist Assembly.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with International Socialists.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with The Union of Nations Against Fascism.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Sucre.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Luanda.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Revolutionary Vietnam.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with The Union of Communist Republics.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Maoism third worldism.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with New China Politburo.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Angola.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with The Sovereign Socialist States.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist International.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with CCCP.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Antifa.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist Beach.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Krandovia.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with The Red Fleet.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Democratic Social Union.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Leninist Russia.
2 years 61 days ago: The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future elected WA Delegate.
2 years 61 days ago: Region founded by Pansocialist movement.

Longest Serving WA Delegate

Wu wei shan: 151 days.

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Pansocialist movement

90 days ago

How did you gain control of this region? It was password protected.

Peoples Referendum: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=115111

First Constitution: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=112413

Second Constitution: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=154946

Third Constitution: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=244531

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3. 20150124 United Peoples Front for Socialism 4 PanSocialist Union
4. 20150117 United Peoples Front for Socialism 3 PanSocialist Union
5. 20150110 United Peoples Front for Socialism 2 PanSocialist Union
6. 20150103 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Union
7. 20141231 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Union
8. 20141227 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Union
9. 20141220 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Union
10. 20141213 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
11. 20141206 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
12. 20141129 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
13. 20141122 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
14. 20141115 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
15. 20141108 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
16. 20141101 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
17. 20141025 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
18. 20141018 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
19. 20141011 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
20. 20141004 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
21. 20140927 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
22. 20140920 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
23. 20140915 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
24. 20140906 United Peoples Front for Socialism 1 PanSocialist Movement
25. 20140830 United Peoples Front for Socialism 2 PanSocialist Movement
26. 20140823 United Peoples Front for Socialism 2 PanSocialist Movement
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