United Peoples Front for Socialism RMB

WA Delegate: None.

Founder: The Community of PanSocialist Union

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The UPFS is closed as of 9/16/13. Guarded by The Red Fleet.

People's Referendum | First Constitution | Second Constitution | Third Constitution

First Founder: Undying Revolution ; Second Founder: PanSocialist Movement

The fire of PanSocialism will reawaken in the UPFS.

Construction of embassies with Antifa has commenced. Completion expected in 1 day.

Construction of embassies with The Red Fleet has commenced. Completion expected in 3 days.

Tags: Democratic, Anti-Fascist, Communist, Social, Anarchist, Password, Eco-friendly, Liberal, Socialist, Anti-Capitalist, New, and Minuscule.

United Peoples Front for Socialism is home to a single nation.

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United Peoples Front for Socialism Regional Message Board

Pansocialist movement

2 years 57 days ago

Welcome Home Comrades!!!

Mixolidian

2 years 57 days ago

Its good to be home!!

Pribram

2 years 56 days ago

Home, sweet home.

Wu wei shan

2 years 56 days ago

Please endorse TEF on your way in, WA comrades.

British workers communes

2 years 56 days ago

Ah, home again.

Ambibia

2 years 56 days ago

Good to be back!

*cracks knuckles*

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 56 days ago

So sweet to be home mates. Mucho successes.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 56 days ago

I officially declare "Mission Accomplished"! We can now resume all normal activity such as the recruitment campaign, embassy acquisition, and interregional pursuits. Long Live UPFS!

Ambibia

2 years 56 days ago

cool, turns out I was WAD for Pansocialist Union for 20 hours after EF left

Wu wei shan

2 years 55 days ago

Man we sure have lost a lot of people along the way...

Pribram

2 years 55 days ago

At least now we have the active "core" of our region.

Wu wei shan

2 years 54 days ago

words of wisdom, my friend!

Pribram

2 years 54 days ago

Thank you, so much ;)

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 54 days ago

I agree with Pribram. If we band together and hit the recruiting trail we will return to our former numbers.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 53 days ago

UPFS = Home of Crimson Cyborgia. ;)

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 52 days ago

Its that time again to vote for embassies:
1. The Communist Party of Nationstates
2. International League of Communist States
3. The Evil Empire
4. The United Armies of Anofel
5. South Bee cave

Keep in mind that The Communist Party of Nationstates is the new home of our comrades from the Sovereign Socialist States.

British workers communes

2 years 52 days ago

1. FOR
2. AGAINST
3. AGAINST
4. FOR
5. FOR

Mixolidian

2 years 52 days ago

1. The Communist Party of Nationstates: FOR
2. International League of Communist States:FOR
3. The Evil Empire:AGAINST
4. The United Armies of Anofel:FOR
5. South Bee cave:AGAINST

Pribram

2 years 52 days ago

1. FOR
2. FOR
3. ABSTAIN
4. FOR
5. AGAINST

Viradia

2 years 52 days ago

I'm in favor of all embassies, even of regions that do not share our ideological points of view.

Ambibia

2 years 52 days ago

1. For
2. For
3. For
4. Against
5. Against

Wu wei shan

2 years 52 days ago

Yes 1-3, no 4,5.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 51 days ago

1.FOR
2.FOR
3.FOR
4.ABSTAIN
5. ABSTAIN

Ambibia

2 years 50 days ago

On the peoples referendum it says that we were to vote on whether to add some tags to the region, did that ever happen? if so, I suggest we go into voting procedure

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 50 days ago

Results of embassy vote: (for-against-abstain)
1. Passed (7-0-0)
2. Passed (6-1-0)
3. Passed (4-2-1)
4. Passed (4-2-1)
5. Failed (2-4-1)

Ambibia is right, it is time to vote on Proposal 101

Proposal 101: Regional Tags
The following tags will be added to the regional list: Eco-Friendly, Free Trade, Libertarian, Regional Government, World Assembly.
We can vote this one in pieces:
1. Eco-Friendly
2. Free Trade
3. Libertarian
4. Regional Government
5. World Assembly
6. Vote Against Proposal 101 (No Additional Regional Tags)

Post self-deleted by Ambibia.

Ambibia

2 years 50 days ago

1. Yes
2. No
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes

also, any way we can get rid of the "NEW" tag?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 50 days ago

1. Yay
2. Nay
3.Nay
4. Yay
5. Yay

I wants us some tags.

Viradia

2 years 50 days ago

1, 2, 4, 5 = yes.
3, 6 = No.

Post self-deleted by Pansocialist movement.

Wu wei shan

2 years 49 days ago

yes to all tags

Pribram

2 years 49 days ago

1. yes 2.no 3. yes 4. yes 5. yes

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 48 days ago

1. and 4. Yes
Others No

Also. See page=rmb/postid=1927110

Wu wei shan

2 years 46 days ago

Communique from the DSA

The Democratic Socialist Assembly newspaper Solidarity is currently being expanded into an interregional newspaper, starting with our embassy regions. I'd be interested in knowing whether your region would like to take part in this project. Please let me know as soon as possible and we can set up author and editor accounts and your own categories in the newspaper. http://newspaper.jordefamn.se

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 45 days ago

The vote ended at (Yes-No-Abstain)
1. Passed 6-0-0
2. Failed 4-2-0
3. Failed 4-2-0
4. Passed 6-0-0
5. Passed 5-1-0

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 45 days ago

Also, new embassy request, Eurasian Economic Community. Please vote (Yes, No, or Abstain).

With regards to the DSAssembly's request that our region take part in the newspaper, Solidarity, what is our region's opinion?
I think this should fall under the Department of International Affairs, where the Secretary of International Affairs is responsible for the region's image, however, anyone in the region may write to or for that newspaper.

Here is a link to Solidarity, http://newspaper.jordefamn.se/index.php .

Ambibia

2 years 45 days ago

I vote for the embassy

Wu wei shan

2 years 44 days ago

yes to embassy

Viradia

2 years 44 days ago

Yes to the embassy.

Pribram

2 years 44 days ago

I vote for the embassy!
After long discussions between me and Ubli we will soon meet our new comrade!
nation=ublia

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 44 days ago

Yes to embassy.

Taozhu

2 years 43 days ago

Hurrah!

Wu wei shan

2 years 43 days ago

http://newspaper.jordefamn.se/article.php?art=64

Pribram

2 years 43 days ago

Woow!Great work!!!

Viradia

2 years 43 days ago

Awesome!

Ambibia

2 years 43 days ago

cool

The Kaiserreich of Ublia

2 years 43 days ago

My friends greetings from the Deutsch Volksrepublik of Ublia. I hope that my decision to move to this glorious region will prove fruitful. Let it be forever written mankind controls its own destiny! Thus I swear by the will of the people and the ideals of Socialism I shall forever protect this region the great bastion of Socialism!

Taozhu

2 years 43 days ago

Hey Ublia want to join my political party?

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 42 days ago

The embassy request passes

Also, welcome Ublia! I hope you feel at home in this region and decide to stay.

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The Kaiserreich of Ublia

2 years 42 days ago

Thank you all I'm happy to be in these new surroundings. And I do hope I will stay it all depends on when the crisis in the JSUV blows over. Nonetheless thank you and I shall gladdly assist in the mechanics of the region.

Ambibia

2 years 41 days ago

Always glad to have newcomers, make yourselves at home comrades

Post self-deleted by Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

2 years 40 days ago

Wu Wei Shan has the best dope!! 21st in the World!!!

Ambibia

2 years 40 days ago

congrats?

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 40 days ago

Some more embassy requests:
1. Soviet republics region
2. IMCWP
3. The Coalition of Neutral Nations
4. The Alliance of Nations
Vote (Yes, No, or Abstain)

Wu wei shan

2 years 40 days ago

Yea to 2, Nay to all others.

British workers communes

2 years 39 days ago

I second Comrade Wu Wei Shan's vote.

Mixolidian

2 years 39 days ago

Soviet republics region: No
IMCWP: Yes
The Coalition of Neutral Nations: No
The Alliance of Nations: No

The Kaiserreich of Ublia

2 years 39 days ago

Saddly I must return to the JSUV. But know I shall always remain your friend and ally. I hope you understand my chouice. I shall continue to adcovate the cause of Socialism and appreciate you allowing me to remain in your region throughout the issues in my home territory. I hope we can maintain close ties and work together once more. Thank you

Sincerely,
Comrade Ublia your friend and ally.

Ambibia

2 years 39 days ago

1-3 yes, 4 no

Viradia

2 years 38 days ago

Yes to all four.

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Post by Soviet socialist austor suppressed by The Electronic Future.

Wu wei shan

2 years 38 days ago

lolwut?

Mixolidian

2 years 38 days ago

I think thats a recruitment message. The etiquette of nationstates is supposed to limit recruitment adverts to the Pacific feeder regions.

Ambibia

2 years 38 days ago

RIPPLE!

Wu wei shan

2 years 38 days ago

He obviously didn't read our tags. The ironic part about "secretive" is what made me laugh.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 37 days ago

Only IMCWP passed in the embassy vote.

Viradia

2 years 37 days ago

Recruitment fail! Way to try and cater to the Viradian population with that anti-environmental BS. Environmentalism is a key component of Viradian policy!

Now seriously, can't we just delete that post as the spam it obviously is?

Viradia

2 years 37 days ago

Thanks, our dear friends of The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future!

Wu wei shan

2 years 37 days ago

So is the post being suppressed because it was against the rules?

British workers communes

2 years 36 days ago

I assume so. Recruiters should only advertise their region on the message boards of feeder and sinker regions, and regions with the tag "recruiter-friendly."

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 36 days ago

Yeah, at first I didn't think it was constitutional. But, Article 7 Section 2 convinced me otherwise. I hope there are no objections. Freedom of Speech is one of the most important aspects of this region and post suppression should never been taken lightly.

Also we have a new proposal request,

Proposal 103: Adding Regional Tags
1. Social
2. Recruiter Friendly
(Vote For, Against, or Abstain)

Wu wei shan

2 years 36 days ago

no to both tags

British workers communes

2 years 35 days ago

I concur. The last thing we need is hundreds of obscure region's recruiters swarming in and spamming our RMB with hundreds of recruitment messages, especially as I doubt many UPFS members will be swayed. Our region's admirable devotion to free speech should not extend to other region's recruitment campaigns.

No to both tags.

Viradia

2 years 35 days ago

Agree on Social, disagree on Recruiter Friendly. We don't want out nations being poached and our message board being flooded with spam. We're trying to grow as a region, aren't we?

Wu wei shan

2 years 35 days ago

I might change my vote on "social" if someone can clue me in to what exactly it means on NS.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 35 days ago

Yes to social, abso-freakin-not to recruiter friendly.

Pribram

2 years 34 days ago

Yes to social abstain from rec.friend.

So guys just to have little more conversation is anyone of you member of some communist, socialist, anarchist organisation?

Wu wei shan

2 years 34 days ago

Was member and (and national secretary for a while) of the World Socialist Party US. They are a companion party of the World Socialist Movement (as is the Socialist Party of Great Britain, which is much larger)
Still in 100% agreement with them. Being a socialist in the US pretty much sucks.

Pribram

2 years 34 days ago

Wow nat.sec. of World Socialists?
I am member of Union of Young Communists of Czechoslovakia.I have many things which are not 100% correct to their ideology but i plan even joining of Socialist Solidarity.
http://www.komsomol.cz/index.html
http://www.socsol.cz/english

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 33 days ago

Looks like Social passes, and Recruiter Friendly fails.

New embassy requests:
1. The communist region
2. Marxism
Vote (Yes, No, or Abstain)

Pribram

2 years 33 days ago

No to CR yes to Marxism

Wu wei shan

2 years 33 days ago

no to CR; 36 tags? doesn't look serious
yes to marxism

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 32 days ago

Yes to Marxism

Whole The Red Fleet Operation at Marxism is purely my fault. I had place holder puppet there alone after founder Ceased to Exist and I tried refound that region three separate times (always few seconds too late) until these attempts got attention and 'tourists' to the region. Worst of all of such continuous failures was fact that place holder puppet name was The Vigilant Sensei of Marxist Bushido. I've already Forgiven My Incompetence with this. XD -Prolesky

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 32 days ago

Yay to Marxism, Nay to CR.

Ambibia

2 years 30 days ago

Sorry guys, I think I had a different understanding of what "recruiter fiendly" ment when i submitted that proposal, now in retrospect I would've recalled it immeadiatley if I weren't so goddamn lazy.

anyway,

yes to both regions

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 29 days ago

Marxism passes CR fails

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 29 days ago

We also received an embassy request from 4th International

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 29 days ago

Also, its that time again to elect a new General Secretary! Accepting nominations now!

Viradia

2 years 29 days ago

Yes to an embassy with the 4th International.

Mixolidian

2 years 29 days ago

I nominate Electronic Future for a 2nd term as General Secretary and YES to the embassy with 4th International.

Ambibia

2 years 29 days ago

Yes to 4th international, I nominate comrade Pribram for General Sec.

Ambibia

2 years 29 days ago

ya know, if he wants it...I know he still has another position

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 29 days ago

Abstaining 4th International.

(Because I Founded it. Currently Administered by Comrade Marxingrad and Me and The Rejected Realms of Aluzer of Syndicated Red Black Tendencies.) - Prol.

Wu wei shan

2 years 29 days ago

yes to 4th intl.
second EF and Pribram for Gen Sec candidates

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 28 days ago

Pribram for Gen. Sec. Seconded by me too.

Pribram

2 years 28 days ago

Thanks to all who are for me in position of Gen.Sec. but i officialy support comrade Electronic Future to continue in his/her great work!

Again big thanks to all who supports me, i am very pleased!

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Wu wei shan

2 years 28 days ago

International Affairs Monthly (lol) Embassy Review
Overall, impressed by health and activity of most of our Diplomatically tied regions.
Suggested Closures:
Leninist Russia - no longer communist, self avowed matriarchy
Sovereign Socialist States - closed and defunct, single nation (Became Communist Party of NationStates)
First Nations - inactive, single nation
Pending Response to Inquiry:
New China Politburo - undetermined chaos causing founder to suppress all RMB posts
Too New to Close but No Compelling Reason to Keep:
The Evil Empire - low activity, founder close to CTE
The United Armies of Anofel - no apparent ideology, low activity, passworded with founder, incoherent RMB posts

Wu wei shan

2 years 28 days ago

Also, Evidently Communist party of greece has either gone nuts or has been hacked. Recommend not pursuing embassy any further, and marking their entry in the Peoples' Referendum with "withdrawn by region".

Ambibia

2 years 27 days ago

yes to all closures except leninist russia, and "NCP"

The Marxist-Feminists of The Viet Minh

2 years 27 days ago

Greetings comrades;

I wanted to stop in to mention a few things if you don't mind;

First and most importantly, I wanted to express my shock and dismay that the great UPFS still holds embassies with the reactionary and sexist Leninist Russia. Such regions uphold the real existing patriarchy and the reactionary views on Women that the capitalist system promotes. Women there are "a pretty picture" and not taken seriously as revolutionaries, in Leninist Russia equality is abolished for the so called "matriarchy" and their flags are little more than pieces of meat. Not only all of this, but this region also held embassies with Libertatem an avowedly anti-communist region for a very long time. When I went there to help correct them I was astonished to see; even when finally knowing what they were doing was wrong, refused to correct it. The region has many anti-communist ties, and long ago renounced any kind of socialist platform in the region.

Second, I wanted to encourage you to keep embassies open with The Sovereign Socialist States - United Peoples Front for Socialism, Revolutionary Vietnam and Maoism Third Worlsdism all began from this region and I think that it's important to keep mind of our roots. It may seem redundant to keep an embassy with a non-functioning region, however the history should live on and interested comrades of the future should be able to find the historical beginnings of our regions if they choose.

Third and finally I wanted to mention the Regional Defense Committee of The Left Interregional.

While the interregional is a long and deeply involved project and is "slow" to say the least, the Regional Defense Committee is an active and vibrant community of about 6-8 nations. Currently led by Comrade Bundabunda, (formerly of Marxist Proletariat Union) the RDC is active to say the least capturing several fascist regions monthly and protecting socialist regions across Nationstates. The United Peoples Front for Socialism is not one of the most active regions in the Regional Defense Committee and not for lack of trying or interest, but lack of information and contact. Currently the RDC is looking at ways to rectify poor communication between regions and we're happy to hear your suggestions if you have any.

Thank you for your time, it is always a pleasure to speak with many of you and I hope that the interregional co-operation that we all exhibit will be imitated one day by the rest of Nationstates Left regions. I would never expect to be able to influence your democracy, I merely wanted to bring some not mentioned issues to light. Thank you.

Revolutionary regards;

V Ming, Revolutionary Vietnam

The Marxist-Feminists of The Viet Minh

2 years 27 days ago

Also just a small correction on Comrade Wu wei shan's above post - The Sovereign Socialist States became The Communist Party of Nationstates not Communist Party of Nationstates.

Mixolidian

2 years 27 days ago

Yes to all embassy closures except Sovereign Socialist States .

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 27 days ago

Yoo hoo!! I am here comrades!! :)

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 27 days ago

Did anyone here about the big leadership shake up in China. Apparently it is part of a once and a decade changing of the guard in the Politburo.

Ambibia

2 years 26 days ago

I kinda have an urge to go back to my old red flag, or at least change the color of my current one....opinions?

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 25 days ago

Amb, what wrong with your current flag? And what does your red flag look like?

Ambibia

2 years 25 days ago

its basically my current flag...(looks to the left, then right, then foward again)...but red

Wu wei shan

2 years 25 days ago

chuckle

Arvistan

2 years 25 days ago

Glory to Communism! Yes to equality! We will crush all those capitalist pigs!

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 24 days ago

I agree with you there Arvistan. Capitalism only causes despair among the people.

Ambibia

2 years 24 days ago

Happy 10th anniversary Nationstates!(raises wine glass) Here's the next decade!

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 24 days ago

just took the political chart test today. I am a far left Communist!! :)

Economic Left/Right: -10.00. Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.62

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 24 days ago

Comrades. If there is any Trigger Ready and Idle Unity Army's Troopers around 'hoods, there is now Opportunity to Show some solidarity in The Red Fleet's Defensive operation at The Anarchist International. Also, The Retired MT Army Leader of Vippertooth33 at National Bolshevik Party would be happy if some Unity Army detachments would make manouvers at there.

Comrades, If I begin occasionally lodge this kind of informational comments (and of course with poorly hidden agitation included to them) on RMB of UPFS for purposes and Aims of Unity and Solidarity in Anti-Fascist/Left-Wing Military Operations, I Hope it will be tolerated by Comrades of UPFS. My intentions are sincere and approach to these issues guite... Practical. :)

Revolutionary Greetings,
Proletaurus

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 24 days ago

Sorry, I haven't been up to date! I've been incredibly busy this week.

I am honored to be nominated, however, I will decline to run for another term.

Our candidates for General Secretary are:
1. Pribram
2. None of the Above

Post self-deleted by Ambibia.

Ambibia

2 years 23 days ago

I VOTE FOR "MR. PRIBB"

Mixolidian

2 years 23 days ago

I vote for Pribram.

Wu wei shan

2 years 22 days ago

aye Pribram, Pribram aye.

Viradia

2 years 21 days ago

I support Pribram.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 21 days ago

Party with Pribram. Pants party.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

2 years 21 days ago

Its a clear victory for Pribram. Please endorse our new general secretary!

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 21 days ago

Prib all they way!!!! :)

And he has my endorsement as the general secretary.

Pribram

2 years 20 days ago

I want to thank all who voted for me!I will try to be as good as comrade. Electronic Future!
Thank you!

And also one other new.The anti-government demonstration in Prague was very succesfull (i was there too so i can say that it was succesfull).About 15,000-20,000 people came to Prague.

Wu wei shan

2 years 20 days ago

Just a reminder that everyone with WA status needs to endorse Pribram (the new WAD) as soon as possible per Referendum 86.

Pribram

2 years 20 days ago

We have an embassy request from region=united_socialist_republic_of_indonesia

(Yes, No, Abstain)

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Wu wei shan

2 years 19 days ago

yes to embassy

It figures they do Most Influential when I transferred WA to a puppet.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 19 days ago

Congrats Prib! :)

Yes to USRI

Comrades. Embassy reguest from Marxists Internet Archive is 'propagandist' in it's nature, which practically means there is no need to actually form Embassy in-game if such link to MIA website is attached to WFE. This is one of my numerous interregional projects.

So, I therefore propose that such link to website WWW.Marxists.Org will be attached to WFE of UPFS, if this is practically possible an in line with UPFS general policy with such links to site out-side NationStates and does not take too much space from other uses. I assume there is no special needs to explain basic idea behind that region, such action and importance of educational aspects of whole project to Comrades of UPFS, as I'm pretty sure it is self-explanatory anyway. In Solidarity, -P.

Ambibia

2 years 19 days ago

I vote for the embassy

Mixolidian

2 years 18 days ago

Yes to the embassy request.

The Union of Socialist Republics of Scanditrevikia

2 years 18 days ago

I vote for the embassy.

Viradia

2 years 17 days ago

Yay to the embassy.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 17 days ago

Yay to embassy.

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The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

2 years 15 days ago

Wow, a fair capitalist union... in a Region aiming for everyone to be socialist... the closest we could ever get to that is probably market socialism, i suggest you look for a region more suited to your bourgeois ideals.

Pribram

2 years 15 days ago

Embassy request passes!

Pribram

2 years 15 days ago

We have another request from region=the_north_atlantic_alliance
vote Yes, No, Abstain.

And Sentrotopia if you dont like what you see then you should simply get out of our region ;)

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 15 days ago

Urgent. Comrades and Friends need WA-military support at United Supreme Dictators. UDL/FRA is currently piling Enforcers against The MT Army and TRF. Could Unity army send support to The Retired MT Army Leader of Vippertooth33, As soon as possible?

Solidarity,
P.

Ambibia

2 years 14 days ago

^Well in that case we needeth the secretary of defense election as soon as possible.

also, yay to embassy

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 14 days ago

Yay to embassy. Also, I'll be joining the Unity Army posthaste. I'll see the rest of you volunteers there!

Ambibia

2 years 13 days ago

what is this sentrotopia guy wining about?

Wu wei shan

2 years 13 days ago

we move that Sentropia's RMB posts be suppressed

Wu wei shan

2 years 13 days ago

We also advise not moving military forces to United Supreme Dictators at this time and instead helping conclude operations in Italian Social Republic.

Baarle-hertog h-23 is currently there representing the Regional Defense Committee (and the UPFS in an unofficial capacity). They moved there after successful operations in The Anarchist International. Recognition of the RDC's and UPFS's willingness to help in defensive/refounding operations is slowly spreading.

That said, we will now announce our candidacy for Defense Secretary.

Wu wei shan

2 years 13 days ago

yes to NAA embassy - sorry to bogart the RMB

Pribram

2 years 13 days ago

NAA passes
now we have embassy request from region=union_of_socialists

Also from 10:30 (CET) to Monday 15:30 (CET) you can nominate people on the Sec.Def.
And i want to nominate comrade Viradia.

British workers communes

2 years 13 days ago

Abstain from embassy vote. They look like good folks, but they're still a small region.

British workers communes

2 years 13 days ago

And sorry for my lack of activity lately, RL has been tough.

Ambibia

2 years 12 days ago

I nominate comrade EF for Sec. of Defense

also, yay to embassy

Wu wei shan

2 years 12 days ago

no to union of socialists

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 9 days ago

Abstain from embassy, second Electronic for Sec. of Defense.

Pansocialist movement

2 years 8 days ago

RoS embassy fails

Pribram

2 years 7 days ago

Dear comrades,
Even if you all supported me in democratic election and i am very grateful for that!
I must step down from my function of General Secretary and Regional WA delegate due to my RL activities in communist movement and school.
I will try to be as active as i can but that not enough to run this position.
I am very sorry comrades i failed....

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 7 days ago

Pribram you sir have not failed. You held the position to what it is supposed to be. I wish you the best and please let us know how it is going on the homefront. You are not in over your head, and you are not alone.

Baarle-hertog h-23

2 years 7 days ago

Back from the front lines of the struggle for PanSocialism... success in refounding National Bolshevik Party but catastrophe at Italian Social Republic. Oh well, you can't win them all. I'm headed back to the Regional Defense Committee.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

2 years 7 days ago

Negative. National Bolshevik Party's Founder (Shira Bell) resurrected before refounding.

Anyway. Thanks for your participation in Interregional effort, Comrade Baarle-hertog h-23 and Skoalstraightius. :)

Btw. In my personal opinion: There is no particular reason why some Comrade from UPFS couldn't take a part in oncoming WAD-elections of The Internationale with nescessary introductions, platform, ideas for development etc. :)

Solidarity,
Proletaurus

Ambibia

2 years 7 days ago

Well comrades if Pribram is stepping out I request we have a mid-termed election for General Sec.

I will open a 24 hour nomination window until we are ready to vote. Therefore, I nominate myself as a candidate.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 6 days ago

If the election period is to take place I nominate Wu Wei Shan for Gen. Sec.

The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

2 years 5 days ago

Greetings Comrades! I was previously busy and only had time to answer issues, but now i have more free time so i will be more active, I look forward to having a more active time in the region. |That is all|

Post self-deleted by Pansocialist movement.

Pansocialist movement

2 years 5 days ago

Welcome and hello Cornonor!

Ambibia

2 years 5 days ago

24 hour nomination window has closed, 48 hour election period commences now!

your candidates:

1.Ambibia

2.Wu wei shan

Viradia

2 years 5 days ago

I vote for Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

2 years 5 days ago

I respectfully withdraw in order to support Ambibia, who has been in the UPFS a long time and deserves a shot behind the wheel. Thank you to those who supported me :)

The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

2 years 4 days ago

I do believe that with only one candidate, Ambibia is the victor, well done comrade!

|That is all|

Wu wei shan

2 years 4 days ago

That's not the way things are done, Cornonor. Every election, according to the Constitution, supposed to include a "none of the above" option. That may seem silly but it's the law. So he still has to get actual votes to get elected.

yes to Ambibia for General Secretary and WAD

Ambibia

2 years 4 days ago

yes, I forgot to mention the none of the above selection, thanks Wu (get it? sounds like the word you?)

The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

2 years 4 days ago

Ah, well in that case, if the election has not ended, I vote for Ambibia!

|That is all|

The darwinian people

2 years 4 days ago

I'll abstain. I would've voted for Wu but I'm not so disappointed as to vote against Ambibia.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 4 days ago

I cast my vote for Ambibia.

Mixolidian

2 years 3 days ago

I abstain from voting as there is only 1 2candidate to vote for.

Wu wei shan

2 years 3 days ago

FYI comrades: The UDL is a known collaborator with Nazi and Fascist invaders and regions. This may influence the way you vote on the current SC proposal.
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Pansocialist movement

2 years 3 days ago

In the interests of moving forward we should go ahead and call the General Secretary vote concluded in favor of Ambibia so that we can get the other elections going.
Wu wei shan resigns as Secretary of Defense effective immediately so we can start with a clean sheet and have as much participation as possible.

Anyone interested in an office is strongly encouraged to read our Constitution and the People's Referendum (the last 2 pages being the most relevant)

All WA nations are required by People's referendum to endorse the current General Secretary so that he can get WAD status ASAP.

Ambibia

2 years 2 days ago

Thank you all for electing me, I will do my best to ensure my term is swift in terms of action and good to us in terms of reprecussions. I have chosen Wu wei shan as my secretary of internal affairs as he (as I feel) is best to help me in times when I need support on issues.

Currently we have elections going on for all elected positions, so this would be a great time for a new chapter in UPFS history.
I beleive all positions last 30 days except International affairs which lasts 60 days (correct?).

24 hour nomination window has opened, let's get this thing going fairly quickly.

Also, I just received a dispatch from Cuba socialista asking our support with the Internationale and Antifa to support a fairly small attack on The Union of Facists. Currently they are all ready to secure the region but need WAY more support if they are gonna get anything done. Once the sec. of Defense has been elected, he/she will need to organize a regional voluntary militia to help out our allies to spread pansocialism.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

2 years 2 days ago

Good Evening, United Peoples Front for Socialism.
I, Federation of der nordland am the acting Ambassador to UPFS from the Democratic Socialist Assembly. I look forward to fostering cross-regional diplomacy. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a telegram. Ill try to respond as quickly as possible.
Sincerely,
Federation of der nordland
Former Secretary General of the Democratic Socialist Assembly
Acting Ambassador to the United Peoples Front for Socialism.
Ambassador to the Democratic Socialist Alliance

Wu wei shan

2 years 2 days ago

Thanks Ambibia! I accept. I sent a my switcher Baarle-hertog h-23 to Union of Fascists but it doesn't look like much is going on.

General Secretary and Recruitment are 50 days, Defense and International are 80.

I nominate The Free Land of Skoalstraightius for Defense, The Democratic Republic of Cornonor for Recruitment, and Viradia for International Secy.

Wu wei shan

2 years 2 days ago

the link is Union of Fascists

Viradia

2 years 2 days ago

Viradia is a peaceful nation and we only maintain a very small guard to protect our borders. However, we will send delegates from the Viradian Red Cross and paramedical volunteers to assist in easing the suffering of those injured in combat. We also offer assistance at our medical centers in the homeland, as they are some of the best-rated in the world.

We also extend our wish that the victory against fascism is a swift one, and that the casualties are as little as proves necessary. Long live socialism!

Post self-deleted by Ambibia.

Ambibia

2 years 2 days ago

It comes to my attention that Union of Fascists no longer needs help as they have already trampled the region. I expected nontheless considering it was so small.

Pribram

2 years 1 day ago

I want to congratulate comrade Ambibia for his election and help in stabilising again our region!And again i want to apologize for my fail....
And someone asked me to bring some info about our activity and situation in our movement.We are now having very good times for us in some sense of the word we have many new (young!) members.But also attacks of anticommunists are being stronger and stronger and even more often.We plan many action in the future.
If anyone wants some details contact me i will gladly answer ;)

Ambibia

2 years 1 day ago

24 hour nomination period has ended, commence voting comrades!

Sec of Defense:
The Free Land of Skoalstraightius
or none of the above

Sec of Recruitment:
Cornornor
or none of the above

Sec. of International Affairs
Viradia
or none of the above

since I want to make sure there is a chance for some unexpectations in this race, I will allow write-in votes.

Ambibia

2 years 1 day ago

^Sorry for not spelling your nation name right, Cornonor

Ambibia

2 years 1 day ago

Sorry to clog up the RMB, but we also have an incoming embassy request from the newly liberated, Union of Fascists

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

2 years 1 day ago

I vote yes for embassy, and vote for Cornonor and Viradia for their respective positions. I accept the nomination, but feel I must abstain from voting for myself. Thank you for the nomination.

While my competitor "None of the Above" is a worthy candidate, I feel my activity level is a little higher than his and will help with our defense. I daresay I have never seen him participate in any vote, or even post here on our RMB. I will understand if anyone votes for him, no hard feelings.

Oric

2 years 1 day ago

Hello chaps, where do I sign up for Secretary of International Affairs?

President Adams

Ambibia

2 years 1 day ago

^I am allowing write in votes as for the lack of race competitors, Oric. I you wish you may vote for yourself now with a write in.

Oric

2 years 1 day ago

I vote for myself as Secretary of International Affairs.

Viradia

2 years 1 day ago

While I appreciate the fact that I was considered for the candidacy, I'm going through a weird patch IRL, so I'd rather not hold an official post at this time. Therefore I will withdraw from the race and I'll vote for Oric to be Secretary of International Affairs. I also support Cornonor and Skoalstraightius for their respective nominations, and I vote for the embassy with the newly liberated Union of Fascists.

Wu wei shan

2 years 1 day ago

yes to Skoal, Cornonor, and Oric
no to embassy

Post self-deleted by Ambibia.

Ambibia

2 years ago

whoops! spoke to soon, embassy request was withdrawn before we could do anything

Wu wei shan

1 year 364 days ago

yeah we got suckered over there, it's back in the hands of the Fash.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 364 days ago

Comrades.

Thank you for your participation to operation at Union of Fascists. There happened 'occupation hazard', unavoidable possibility of founder resurrection (althought not totally unexpectable). Embassy reguests from such Hellholes under operation are for spreading knowledge to other comrades to join in, and therefore they could be ignored from embassy votings procedures. I'm pretty sure your regions' policy is not start to fill your embassies list with this type of hellholes. And If I am wrong, it is currently possible to organise about 400 such reguests from such hellholes within few days... XP

Solidarity,
P.

Ambibia

1 year 364 days ago

Anyway, Oric has won secretary of International affairs, Skoalstraightius has won Secretary of Defense, and Cornonor has won recruitment secretary. Good job everybody, lets get to work!

The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

1 year 364 days ago

Thank you for the votes Comrades, i shall begin work immediatly, If their are any set recruitment measures please TG me or tell me where to obtain them, thank you.
|That is all|

Ambibia

1 year 363 days ago

Incoming embassy request:
Union of Socialists
(I vote yes)

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 363 days ago

Nay to embassy. Also thank your for your votes comrades.

Wu wei shan

1 year 363 days ago

yes to embassy

Viradia

1 year 363 days ago

Yes to embassy.

Ambibia

1 year 362 days ago

woohoo! most corrupt!

Wu wei shan

1 year 362 days ago

least corrupt!

Ambibia

1 year 361 days ago

Embassy Passes, 3-1

Ambibia

1 year 361 days ago

New request, The Kingdom\
(I abstain)

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 361 days ago

Nay to embassy.

Pribram

1 year 360 days ago

No to the embassy

Wu wei shan

1 year 359 days ago

No to Iron Cross, er, Kingdom Embassy.

The Democratic Republic of Cornonor

1 year 359 days ago

I am sorry comrades, but i am afraid i must resign and leave the region due to my inactivity as a family member has just passed, and so, i thank you for the time i have been here, however, i must, unfortunately, find an inactive or large region as my presence will go unknown so i am no inconvenience. thank you comrades.
|That is all|

Ambibia

1 year 359 days ago

^he left us for SLU? anyway, any willing to take his place?

Kingdom fails (3-0)

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 357 days ago

Comrades. When Repeating my bad habits to interfere and waste RMB space for informing ongoing Left-Wing military operations, I must diplomatically point out there is one ongoing at Comintern. Defensive Solidarity Operation. Support needed and welcomed. :)

Then, after last WAD elections of The Internationale I found myself in that position, even my self-pronounced nomination was originally merely regional defense measure when canditates were lacking for that job than die-hard serious candidacy for that post. However, When I am now democratically elected WAD I also try to do my responsibility in this role, regardless of personal limitations and tendency to feel Front line Circumstances more familiar and usually more satisfactory. One responsibility is interregional diplomacy. (Best possible man for that: Low Styled Half-lingual Semi-Fanatic Antifa-Militant. You Know.)

I sincerely hope interregional relations between United Peoples Front for Socialism and The Internationale will remain as good as they had been and if anything depends on me on these matters I also hope they would develop even more further with mutual respect and understanding.

Comrades of UPFS will be warmly welcomed by me to take part to The Internationale's intra-regional communications and processes. :)

In Solidarity,
Comrade Crimson Cyborgia a.k.a. Proletaurus
Democratically Elected WAD of The Internationale

Ambibia

1 year 355 days ago

The Republic of Belarus yes or no ti'll wedensday afternoon...

also I am appointing EF to Sec. of Defense until the the next election due to it's last occupant's rude rage-quit.

Mixolidian

1 year 354 days ago

Skoalstraightius is the secretary of defence and I believe that they have not quit.
No to the embassy with The Republic of Belarus.

Vault 145

1 year 354 days ago

Hello, comrades

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 354 days ago

Nope, still here! No to embassy.

Welcome Vault 145!

Ambibia

1 year 354 days ago

Embassy fails

Welcome Comrade!

Wu wei shan

1 year 354 days ago

I'm sure Ambibia meant Recruitment Secretary.

It is my duty to report that the appointment is a bit unconstitutional. I am obligated to call an election in the event that there were no other candidates in the previous election, and the GenSec will officiate.

Any nominations or volunteers to run please come forward now.

That being said, I believe that this process should be officially amended, since the vast majority of elections in the UPFS have been with only one candidate. Perhaps we can amend to allow Gen Sec to make Acting Secretary appointments to vacant posts (for the remainder of the term) with the member nations voting yes or no to the appointment.

No to Belarus Embassy.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 353 days ago

I like that Wu, appointments sounds like a fair deal.

Ambibia

1 year 353 days ago

my bad Wu, yes I meant RECRUITMENT secretary

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 353 days ago

I'd like to run for the position of Secretary of Recruitment.

Vault 145

1 year 353 days ago

I support electronic future

Wu wei shan

1 year 352 days ago

We are moving that the following be considered for 2 days for edits/suggestion as a Constitutional Amendment:
***
Amendment 2

ARTICLE 4 Section 6 CLAUSE 2 shall be replaced with:

Secretarial Vacancies
In the event a nation belonging to a Secretary ceases to exist, resigns, or is inactive for 10 days according to its homepage, the position becomes Vacant, and an Acting Secretary shall be selected or appointed for the remainder of the original term. Should at any time any the preceding three events occur, as well as announced leaves of absence, an Acting Secretary may be selected in two ways: a) through the previous election results or, b) appointment by the General Secretary.

a) If, in the most recent election, there had been more than one candidate for the vacant Secretariat, the candidates receiving the most votes who did not win the election and who are members of the UPFS at the time a vacancy occurs, shall be approached by the Secretary for Internal Affairs in order of number of votes received and asked to fulfill the position of Acting Secretary. If he or she is unable to find an Acting Secretary according to these provisions due to lack of interest or candidates in the most recent election, then

b) the General Secretary shall appoint a nation which will be confirmed by a simple majority vote administered by the Secretary of Internal Affairs and according to the same rules as People' Referendums.

A normal election will then be held at the conclusion of the original term.
***

Should this get through edits and vetting, we will conduct a vote as per People's Referendum 98. Please read this to familiarize yourself with the procedure.

Wu wei shan

1 year 352 days ago

yes to EF for Recruitment

Ambibia

1 year 352 days ago

yes to EF

Viradia

1 year 352 days ago

Yes to Electronic Future.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 351 days ago

Yes To EF.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 351 days ago

Yes to EF.

Ambibia

1 year 350 days ago

EF is now sec until next election period

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 350 days ago

Excellent, congrats EF.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 350 days ago

Thank you to all that voted for me

Wu wei shan

1 year 349 days ago

Census time. All nations who are eligible to vote must Telegram me: "present" (no RMB posts), in the next 2 days for your vote to count. After that the GS will start the amendment vote.

Pribram

1 year 349 days ago

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year comrades!!
(i know that we are mostly communist/anarchist but still :D )

The Marxist-Feminists of The Viet Minh

1 year 348 days ago

Happy holidays to all my friends and comrades in United Peoples Front for socialism!

Ambibia

1 year 347 days ago

Merry Christmas comrades!

The Census is complete. We will now begin the amendment voting procedure...
Please vote "yea" or "nay" or you may abstain. Remember,you must have responded to wu's request in order to vote.

Wu wei shan

1 year 347 days ago

Yea to amendment

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 346 days ago

Yay to amendment.

Viradia

1 year 345 days ago

Happy holidays!

Yea to amendment.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 344 days ago

Yea to the amendment

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 342 days ago

Hello! We have appointed a new ambassador, and its me! I'm happy to work with you!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 342 days ago

I'm not sure if you have heard. But the members of the Democratic Socialist Assembly are drafting a condemnation of Cynthia McKinney, the founder of the Democratic Socialist Alliance for her actions that violated the charter of that region. For more information, check it out on the DSAssembly's forum.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 341 days ago

I've been watching this unfold. CMK back to shenanigans again.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 341 days ago

Yes, this morning she ended the embassy between her region and my region, as well as the one between her region and the Social Liberal Union (SLU). I assume it is because of the condemnation we are drafting.

Oric

1 year 341 days ago

How are all my comrades on this fine morning?
Dr Coutts

Ambibia

1 year 341 days ago

sorry guys I've been away for awhile...Amendment 2 passes with a unanimus vote!

we have lots of embassy requests, also:

1)Communist commonwealth
2)Zenland
3)Alliance of Stalinist Workers
4)The International Communist Union

Ambibia

1 year 341 days ago

^I vote yea to the above regions

Viradia

1 year 341 days ago

Yea to the embassies. And happy new year, comrades!

Ambibia

1 year 340 days ago

yes, happy 2013!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 340 days ago

**** MESSAGE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ASSEMBLY ****

An Update on the Situation in the Democratic Socialist Alliance

Recently, The Human Rights Activist of Cynthia McKinney ejected and banned numerous nations from the Democratic Socialist Alliance. This prompted many more regions to leave the Alliance at their own will. The Democratic Socialist Assembly has provided refuge to these nations. If any of you have any questions, feel free to telegram me, I'll be happy to give you answers!

Thank you for your time,

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Ambassador to The United Peoples Front for Socialism
Liberiores omnium eorum

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 340 days ago

Yes to embassies.

Good luck with that situation Terlibe, rough going over there for sure.

Wu wei shan

1 year 339 days ago

yes to embassies 1,2,4 no to 3

Post self-deleted by Ambibia.

Ambibia

1 year 337 days ago

all embassies pass, too bad two recalled them before I could respond...

Wu wei shan

1 year 336 days ago

looks like Maoism Thirdworldism is still a basket case...

Ambibia

1 year 336 days ago

BWC cte'd

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 336 days ago

I wonder how he ceased? It takes 30 days correct?

Ambibia

1 year 335 days ago

beats me

Ambibia

1 year 335 days ago

I Propose we set up embassies with the following regions:
1)Green Anarchy
2)Democratic Socialist Alliance
3)The Proletariat Coalition
4)The Union of Nations Against Fascism
5)Anticapitalist Alliance

Voting begins now

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 335 days ago

1. Yes
2. No no no no no, please no. Their founder is...how to say this nicely...a little off.
3. yes
4. Yes
5. Yes.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 335 days ago

***MESSAGE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ASSEMBLY***

In light of recent events, The Democratic Socialist Assembly strongly urges the UPFS to not create an embassy with the Democratic Socialist Alliance. As many of you know, the founder of the Alliance, The Human Rights Activist of Cynthia McKinney has abandoned the democratic ideals formally found in that region. She has unofficially declared herself ultimate ruler through ejecting and banning former members of the government, and people who simply speak out against her, as well as closing their embassy with the Democratic Socialist Assembly without approval from others.

Numerous nations have either been ejected, or left at their own will claiming she has destroyed the once great, and powerful region. She has created many enemies, and I fear that if the UPFS opens an embassy with her and her autocratic region, you all will be viewed as guilty by association.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Ambassador to the United Peoples Front for Socialism
Liberiores omnium eorum!

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 334 days ago

Or instead there would be great opportunity to show some solidarity at Comintern...

I maybe send TG to CMK asking would be her interested to join WA and activate herself in military. Then she maybe would be little more 'on'. :)

Solidarity, P.

PS. I do not vote in UPFS matters during my delegacy of The Internationale. After that I continue as a normal member of UPFS.

Oric

1 year 334 days ago

I haven't had the opportunity to do so, but I would like to thank you all for electing me as our Ambassador. It gives me great pleasure to do so.
Solidarity, brothers and sisters.
Senator R Coutts

Wu wei shan

1 year 334 days ago

Yes to all embassies. An embassy does not necessarily mean our region supports the actions of another region's government. Perhaps we can open our arms to the natives who are crying out for prosperity, stability, and democracy.
Wu Wei Shan suggests the International and Recruiting Secretaries look into the situation there and see what we can do.

Suceavijas factbook extension

1 year 334 days ago

Hello all: I have submitted the Condemnation of CMK and it's currently on the list of SC Proposals. For those who are able to help lobby for Delegate Support, I have prepared a generic telegram for all to use to expedite this process. I am currently in the process of telegramming every Delegate who approved Condemn Hippostania.

I request assistance reaching any others. We need at least 79 delegates to approve the condemnation in order for it to be brought before the SC to be voted on by all WA members. Let's Finish this thing!

Link to generic telegram: http://s1.zetaboards.com/DemocraticSocialist/single/?p=955463&t=5005383

Thank you for your support everyone!

Post self-deleted by Skoalstraightius.

Europe coalition

1 year 333 days ago

viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=5&t=218072&p=12419979#p12407820

We watch for players in "World Play", into the game and you just plug in the world to represent your nation in the game you lead the nation economically, politically, militarily, ... Using the secret service, murderers, creating contracts, intrigue, secret alliances, formal union, etc., etc.

And we need too a socialist, comunist a totalitarian states...

Ambibia

1 year 333 days ago

yes to all embassies

Viradia

1 year 332 days ago

Yes to all embassies.

Ambibia

1 year 332 days ago

all embassies pass
1(4-0)
2(3-1)
3(4-0)
4(4-0)
5(4-0)

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 332 days ago

***MESSAGE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ASSEMBLY***

In the DSA, we view an embassy with a region as an alliance. We also view it as a proclamation of support for the other regions government. If this is also the case with the UPFS, meaning you are planning to work with, accept, and stand by the fascist dictator they call The Human Rights Activist of Cynthia McKinney and the autocratic government of the Democratic Socialist Alliance, despite their unlawful seizure and control of the region, then relations between the UPFS and the Democratic Socialist Assembly may be gravely damaged.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Ambassador to the United Peoples Front for Socialism
"Liberiores omnium eorum!"

Wu wei shan

1 year 332 days ago

International Secy needs to get on this. We can deal with the DSA and their strong-arm tactics later.

Ambibia

1 year 331 days ago

I have already approved the bill on the security council condemning Cynthia McKinney

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 331 days ago

***ATTENTION***

I would like to personally appologize if my earlier message seemed, in any way, threatening to any member of the UPFS. It was not my intent to put our embassy in jeopardy, but it was my intent to warn againts the building of the embassy.

Sincerely,

The Democratic States of Terlibe
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS
"Liberiores omnium eorum!"

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 331 days ago

***MESSAGE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ASSEMBLY***

First of all, I appologize for the double message.

Second, and most importantly, the Condemnation of The Human Rights Activist of Cynthia McKinney has reached it's quorum and is in queue for the vote! The DSA thanks you for your effort in getting this passed.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS
"Liberiors omnium eorum!"

Ambibia

1 year 330 days ago

how the heck did this Karman guy get my flag?

Ambibia

1 year 330 days ago

scuse me, Kamanran

Mixolidian

1 year 329 days ago

By right clicking on your flag and saving it as a jpeg file.

Post self-deleted by Dsa ambassador to upfs.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 329 days ago

***MESSAGE FROM THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ASSEMBLY***

The condemnation of The Human Rights Activist of Cynthia McKinney has been put up for vote!

We encourage all WA members of the UPFS to vote, and help get this fascist, autocratic, dictator out of power!

The Democratic States of Terlibe
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS
"Liberiores omnium eorum!"

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 329 days ago

Imitation is flattery Ambibia.

Ambibia

1 year 329 days ago

Not mad, just creeped

Oric

1 year 327 days ago

Gentlemen, a quick question? Is your category crossed out and replaced with something dastardly?
Warmest and kindest regards,
Senator Coutts

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 327 days ago

Not currently. It isn't April yet.

Viradia

1 year 327 days ago

You can always set your options to "Liberal" and see those categories all year long.

Wu wei shan

1 year 327 days ago

Whoever has been updating the wiki: Good Job!

@Oric, changing the theme in your settings will sometimes change the way the government types are presented with either a liberal or chumpservative slant.

Wu wei shan

1 year 327 days ago

Just a reminder that if you are a WA nation, please endorse the WAD.

Ambibia

1 year 327 days ago

It seems as if our attempts to put out CMK will not succeed

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 326 days ago

It has indeed. Condolences to our comrades from DSAssembly.

Ambibia

1 year 326 days ago

new embassy: The united slavic world

I vote nay

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 326 days ago

I'll vote nay, that region is all over the place, in all the wrong ways.

Wu wei shan

1 year 326 days ago

yes to USW

Viradia

1 year 325 days ago

Yay. I'm always for dialogue.

America socialism

1 year 325 days ago

Hello new neighbours.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 325 days ago

Welcome mate! Make yourself comfortable.

Wu wei shan

1 year 324 days ago

I urge the comrades to vote against the current SC resolution due to the following grievous error:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=216682&p=12548534#p12548534

Ambibia

1 year 324 days ago

don't sweat it WU,I can already tell that proposal's not even getting off the launch pad. If it does it will never be passed.

Viradia

1 year 324 days ago

We've voted against it as requested.

Wu wei shan

1 year 322 days ago

election time again!

Ambibia

1 year 322 days ago

yes tis that time fellow comrades. I nominate myself for a second term.

Ambibia

1 year 322 days ago

some of my RP buddies from the forums are asking I join their new region. I'm considering butnot entirely bent on going. I've told them unless their growth as a region is substantial enough I'll really think about it but so far there is no chance of me packing up to leave.

Just thought i'd tell you guys...

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 321 days ago

Usually I would second your nomination. But with the information you just gave us, I cannot second nor will I vote for someone to lead our region who is considering leaving. You cannot consider leaving and nominate yourself for a second term, and expect us to take you seriously. I nominate Wu wei shan.

Ambibia

1 year 321 days ago

I never said I was. That region is pure newb trash plus I cant afford to take the risk at leaving.

Trust me im not going anywhere anytime soon.

Ambibia

1 year 321 days ago

but in other words I respect your feelings toward this Skoal.

the region is called: Alpdevsca (they could've come up with a better name)

now that I think about it, I may as well saend my puppet nation over their I my absense, you know, to provide a compromise. Yeah, I think I'll do that...

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 321 days ago

Understandable, I apologize for the harsh response earlier comrade, I had quite a long night/morning.

Wu wei shan

1 year 320 days ago

we accept nomination

Ambibia

1 year 319 days ago

Voting begins now! Me, Wu, or none

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 319 days ago

Both candidates have good records. Its a tough one, but I'll cast my vote for Wu Wei Shan!

Viradia

1 year 319 days ago

Wu.

Mixolidian

1 year 319 days ago

I place my vote for Wu Wei Shan as General Secretary.

Wu wei shan

1 year 319 days ago

me

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 318 days ago

The respective Le Dude abides...and casts his vote for Wu Wei Shan.

Ambibia

1 year 318 days ago

Me, not that now it will probably do any good

Mixolidian

1 year 315 days ago

Is this election going to be called to an end? Or are we going to be in limbo some time??

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 315 days ago

I am wondering the same.

Mixolidian

1 year 315 days ago

[i]Furthermore, if the General Secretary has not officiated the results of a vote within 48 hours of the time that the vote was scheduled to expire, any member of the Secretary may do so.[i]

The constitution allows you to call this election result Skoal or any other Secretary member.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 314 days ago

Given Mixolidian's point

As my first and final act as Secretary of Recruitment, I hereby call the election over with Wu Wei Shan as the newly elected General Secretary.
Please endorse Wu wei shan.

Ambibia

1 year 314 days ago

Sorry guys been away from the computer for awhile, Yes election over: please endorse Wu

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 314 days ago

I wish congratulations to Wu and a cheery thank you to Ambibia for his service as WAD.

Oric

1 year 313 days ago

Congratulations Wu.
Regards,
Senator Coutts

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 313 days ago

The Democratic Socialist Assembly would like to formally congradulate Wu wei shan for their election as WA Delagate of the United Peoples Front for Socialism

Wu wei shan

1 year 313 days ago

Ty all! WA nations please endorse me to transfer WAD status.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 312 days ago

Is EF holding a hostile takeover? hehe

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 312 days ago

Hehe whoops. If anyone is worried in this time of transition, the founder can turn off WAD control until Wu Wei Shan gets enough endorsements.

Pansocialist movement

1 year 312 days ago

Hopefully that won't be necessary. In the mean time, the term for recruitment secretary has also expired. Speaking for Wu Wei Shan, the floor is open for nominations.

Wu wei shan

1 year 312 days ago

Current Issues -

1. Embassy vote: The Great North Korea

2. Proposal 105 found in the People's Referendum

Y or N until 17:00 Feb 1

Please be sure to endorse me for WAD as required by Proposal 86
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=115111&start=75

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 311 days ago

No to GRK.

I like the idea of proposal 105, but unless we get an uptick in activity I don't really see it necessary. I trust our Delegates.

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 311 days ago

oh.. Congratz to Comrade Wu Wei Shan. :)

No to GRK. (One North Korea should be enought for Nationstates...) ;)

Abstaining Referendum Proposal.

Current on going Anti-Fascist Movement's operation: II Defense of Comintern (Mainly Against UDL/FRA Invaders and Fascist Occupation).

P.

Mixolidian

1 year 311 days ago

I vote Yes to the embassy with The Great North Korea and Yes to Proposal 105.

Post self-deleted by Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

1 year 311 days ago

No to embassy, yes to 105

just a point of clarification: Prop 105 gives the WAD the option to hold a vote but does not require it. *whispers* it is kind of intended to cause an uptick in activity ;)

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 311 days ago

I vote yes to Proposal 105!

Viradia

1 year 310 days ago

Yes to Embassy and Prop 105.

Ambibia

1 year 310 days ago

Yes to both

Wu wei shan

1 year 309 days ago

Embassy fails on 3-3 tie. Proposal 105 passes. Skoalstraightius has agreed to serve as Internal Affairs Secretary, opening up Secretary of Defense.

I nominate Ambibia for Defense and Viradia for Recruitment. I also challenge the whole region to develop a standard recruitment plan that can be used by any Recruitment Secretary, rather than re-inventing the wheel every term.

Embassy Vote:
Tokyo

Proposal 106 vote: choose among options listed

Voting is open until 2/4/13 17:00

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 308 days ago

I second both nominations and vote for each candidate.

Nay to embassy.

Proposal 106: Option B.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 308 days ago

Also is anyone as excited for the new Telegram system as I am?

Wu wei shan

1 year 308 days ago

Lets try this:
Voting is open for non-WA residents on the following WA issue
page=ga
until 18:00 Feb 5

Lots of stuff to vote on, make your voice heard!

The new nations should feel free to jump in the discussion at any time! And a warm comradely welcome back to Calofas, who just got out of jail (j/k).

Mixolidian

1 year 307 days ago

I vote against the embassy request from Tokyo and I vote for option D on Proposal 106.

Calofas

1 year 307 days ago

Greetings Comrades!

I have returned to the UPFS, after a very long absence (over a year I think). Bet many of yous did not expect to see me again! I am glad to see so many familiar names and flags :)

I hope to once again contribute to the region, and hopefully not do another disappearing act :P

Thanks for the welcome Wu wei shan. Haha! I have been very busy studying.

I vote against the embassy request and I wish to abstain from proposal 106.

Skoalstraightius Im looking forward to the new tg system too by the sounds of it, it'll be awesome. But when is it changing?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 307 days ago

Calofas, it said a few days in the article, so hopefully this week.

Post self-deleted by Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

1 year 306 days ago

no tokyo
yes to 106 B

Wu wei shan

1 year 306 days ago

Embassy fails 0-4
Proposal 106 withdrawn due to lack of votes

Also the candidates have been seconded - will the candidates please confirm their acceptance of the nomination?

Wu wei shan

1 year 306 days ago

Embassy vote:
HomeFront

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 306 days ago

Nay to embassy.

Mixolidian

1 year 305 days ago

No to the embassy with HomeFront.

Wu wei shan

1 year 305 days ago

I think from now on I will do embassy votes once a week.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 304 days ago

New telegram system is up and working. Check it out if you haven't yet. Especially WAD, some cool features for you Wu.

Mixolidian

1 year 304 days ago

I don't know if anybody knows this, but there is an interregional virtual newspaper between those regions on the left side of the political spectrum, namely the UFPS, Democratic Socialist Assembly, Social Liberal Union and the Communist International League. We should provide a news article for it.

Mixolidian

1 year 304 days ago

And I forgot to put the link in!! http://newspaper.jordefamn.se/index.php

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 304 days ago

I Had no clue Mixolidian, but I am going to enjoy reading it from now on. And Lit heads willing to put something together?

Post self-deleted by Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

1 year 303 days ago

I sent them one about our refounding-it got 5 stars!
http://newspaper.jordefamn.se/article.php?art=64

Ambibia

1 year 303 days ago

nay to homefront, new telegram system look cool guys

Oric

1 year 302 days ago

Gentleman, could I request assistance in completing the review of embassies? I've just got back to Senior High, and the mountain of work is getting to me.
Apologies,
Senator Coutts

Ambibia

1 year 300 days ago

I accept my nomination which I apparently have pending

Wu wei shan

1 year 299 days ago

vote yes to Ambibia

Homefront Embassy fails

Weekly embassy vote roundup:
Italian Social Republic
Rejected Communists
Union Soviet Socialist Republic

Wu wei shan

1 year 299 days ago

Since Viradia has not accepted his nomination, I nominate Calofas for Recruitment Secretary

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 299 days ago

Vote yes to Ambiba.

I second nomination for Calofas.

Yes to ISR and Rej. Communists.

Nay to USSR.

Wu wei shan

1 year 299 days ago

yes to rejected communists, no to the other two

Wu wei shan

1 year 299 days ago

Ambibia wins!

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 298 days ago

Ding ding! Congrats comrade.

Mixolidian

1 year 298 days ago

I vote Yes to Italian Social Republic and Union Soviet Socialist Republic.
And I vote No to Rejected Communists.

Wu wei shan

1 year 296 days ago

Rejected Communists pass 2-1
ISR pass 2-1
USSR fails 1-2

Wu wei shan

1 year 295 days ago

I wish to vote against this simply because it was authored by Ossitania (who are jerks), but can't abuse my WAD status in good conscience. Can anyone convince me to vote yes?
page=ga

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 295 days ago

Ehhh, prettu sure it won't amount to much at this point. 8000+ to 800+.

Oric

1 year 295 days ago

I'm curious, what was your vote on the Sexual Autonomy Guarantee? I voted for, of course

Ambibia

1 year 295 days ago

Thank you comrades I will do my best to fulfill our defensive needs.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 295 days ago

I abstained, or another way of saying I will need to read it 3 or 4 times over until I find a clerical error.

Oric

1 year 294 days ago

Well done Ambibia. Also, I voted yes.

Wu wei shan

1 year 294 days ago

Embassies:
The Soviet Block
The Dominion of Ujjanistanian Lords
Unification of Alternative Revolutions

no to all three from us

Mixolidian

1 year 294 days ago

I vote against all 3 embassy requests.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 293 days ago

Nay to embassy requests.

Oric

1 year 292 days ago

Nay to Embassy Requests.
Kind and warm regards,
Senator Coutts

Ambibia

1 year 292 days ago

Yes to Soviet Block, none others

Wu wei shan

1 year 291 days ago

All embassies fail

Wu wei shan

1 year 289 days ago

Embassy schmembassy:
1.The United Governments of the World
2.Tyrants Association of Communism
3.Coffee House
4.Eurovision Song Contest 2009

we vote yes to 3, no to all others.

Communista party land

1 year 289 days ago

Hey, guys. Haven't been active on NS for about 3 years but Im gonna get back into it and you guys look like you have a solid region going so, hi.

Tagaran

1 year 289 days ago

Friends with 'The Dubious Democracy of Communista Party Land'

Fairly new to the game, came back recently.

Mixolidian

1 year 289 days ago

I vote YES to 1 and 3, NO to 2 and 4.

Communista Party Land
Which region did you found a few years ago??
I can remember you and the founder of the region I was in (New Union Of Socialist Nations) having some sort of heated argument.

Communista party land

1 year 289 days ago

Yeah we did. It was over someone having told him that I was banning people trying to acquire power in the region. It wasn't true but nevertheless his informant managed to convince him it was.
I've founded a few. One was the Baltic States Alliance (approx. 40 nations). Another was the Socialist Military Alliance (approx. 60 nations) Neither went well to be honest as people kept spreading things about me and there seemed to be a general effort by a few individuals to try and make sure that neither region was stable but that's all in the past. It's good to see you again Mixolidian.

Also, (assuming I can vote)
I vote Yes to 1 & 3 and No to 2 & 4.

Mixolidian

1 year 289 days ago

Both of the regions you founded have now been re-founded by somebody else.
Welcome back to Nationstates, and yes everyone in this region can vote.

region=socialist_military_alliance
region=baltic_states_alliance

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 289 days ago

Ah the Socialist Military Alliance, my introduction to NationStates. It's been quite a while CPL.

Yay to 3, nay to others.

Wu wei shan

1 year 288 days ago

nice to see some old campaigners joining up with us
welcome aboard! read our wiki, constitution and the last couple of pages of the Peoples Referendum to see how things operate here

as you can see there is a vacant office hint hint

Communista party land

1 year 288 days ago

Im glad to be back on NS, especially with comrades such as yourselves.
I may run for a position in the future but I doubt that I will run for Secretary of Recruitment as although I am experienced in the area of recruitment I find it a rather time-consuming, tedious task.

Communista party land

1 year 288 days ago

I also think, that just as a suggestion we should perhaps build some diplomatic 'bridges' with respectable regions of mixed ideologies such as European Union as it could be beneficial. Just an idea.
Thank you for being so welcoming in my return. This shall almost certainly be a region of long-term residence for me.

The great kingdom of alagaesia

1 year 287 days ago

Hello everyone!

Wu wei shan

1 year 287 days ago

Well CPL, there is a dearth of discussion and debate on our RMB, so if you would like can you state your rationale behind the suggestion? Any member nation may submit embassy requests to either the International Secretary or the WAD.

Embassies:
Coffee House passes, all others fail.

The great kingdom of alagaesia

1 year 287 days ago

How does your government work?

Communista party land

1 year 287 days ago

Check the constitution Alagaesia for information.
I also think it would be a cool idea to have a link to our region's NS Economy page on the WFE so people could compare the nations and the like. If there's no space to do this we could make some potentially by replacing empty lines with [hr] which is a line break.

Pansocialist movement

1 year 287 days ago

I will add it if you give me the link. I am unfamiliar with the page you speak of.

Communista party land

1 year 286 days ago

http://nseconomy.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=United+Peoples+Front+for+Socialism

Communista party land

1 year 286 days ago

And our NS Tracker page:
http://tracker.conquestofabsolution.com/region=united_peoples_front_for_socialism

Wu wei shan

1 year 286 days ago

Now accepting nominations for Secretary of Defense in addition to the open slot for Recruiting Secretary.

Embassy Vote:
Battle of Kursk

Mixolidian

1 year 286 days ago

Sorry to correct you XD, but the Secretary of Defense term is still valid till May 2nd. The Secretary of International Affairs term ends tomorrow.
I would like to nominate myself for Secretary of International Affairs.
I vote No to the embassy with Battle of Kursk.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 286 days ago

I second Mix's nomination.

Oric

1 year 286 days ago

Mixolidian has my endorsement for Int Sec.
I nominate myself for recruitment.
Regards

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 286 days ago

Greetings comrades, I would like to nominate myself for recruitment as well. I have previous experience in The Internationale as delegate and as a recruiter in general for many causes, like talking to people, can get the comrades to come in force. Please allow me the honor of working with your region.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 286 days ago

My alters are/were: Cuba Socialista, Nezahualcoyotl, KrakenRouge (back when even Frattastan loved me)

Wu wei shan

1 year 286 days ago

Apologies on the Secy. opening. brainfart.

Recruitment election begins immediately.
1. Oric
2. Farc-EP Columbia
3. none of the above

Post self-deleted by Farc-ep colombia.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 285 days ago

My platform, goals, and promises:

- I promise to not ever abuse the trust of you fine individuals, and to only work in the immediate to bring new comrades to the UPFS from the feeders with a distinctive personal voice and way of engaging with people that will make UPFS an attraction.
-I promise at the very least, to recruit 5 nations before my tenure is up, my goal is fifteen as a high mark
-I promise to make the office transparent, leaving the drafts and folios as texts on the forum or on here, to be perused, discussed, and of course, given freely to be used as templates for following recruitment ministers
-I promise to be engaging and to be a good friend to those in the region, to make sure that newcomers and the people I serve feel confident in my abilities
-I promise to be a part of this community in perpetuity and my actions will hopefully show that good faith, and i will be rewarded in turn by your own good faith. This is my hope.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 285 days ago

Very good points. I would like to hear a retort from Oric before I cast my vote.

Wu wei shan

1 year 285 days ago

no to kursk

The Revolutionary Home Syndicate of Crimson Cyborgia

1 year 285 days ago

Comrades. I'm leaving from NationStates. It was nice to be a part of your region. :)

Solidarity,
Proletaurus

Ambibia

1 year 285 days ago

wow, that was...unexpected

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 285 days ago

Farewell comrade, we will eagerly be awaiting your return.

Communista party land

1 year 284 days ago

Currently the NS Tracker is linked to the NS Economy. This should probably be corrected. Here's the link:
http://tracker.conquestofabsolution.com/region=united_peoples_front_for_socialism

Bolonesvia

1 year 284 days ago

Is it fine that I joined, Comrade's?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 284 days ago

Of course Bolonesvia. Feel free to check the People's Referendum or take a look at the Constitution.

Wu wei shan

1 year 284 days ago

link fixed, Kursk fails

vote yes to FARC for recruitment

Election for Secy. of International Affairs, barring any last minute nominations:
1. Mixolidian
2. none of the above

New Embassies:
1. The communist region
2. UCR

Wu wei shan

1 year 284 days ago

Just an FYI for the new arrivals, all WA members must endorse the WAD and Internal Affairs Secretary, per the Strength Through Unity Act (People's Referendum 86).

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 284 days ago

Vote yes to FARC for Secretary of Recruitment.

Vote yes to Mixolidian for Secretary of Intl. Affairs.

Nay to both embassies. Looks like The communist region has a lot going on.

Mixolidian

1 year 283 days ago

I vote No to the embassy with The communist region, they seem to be having some arguments amongst themselves.
And I vote For FARC for Secretary of Recruitment.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 283 days ago

If I'm allowed to vote already comrades I'd love to>

Vote yes for Mix as Sec of Int Affairs

Nix on both embassies on my part.

Bolonesvia

1 year 283 days ago

I looked, we vote

Yes on FARC for Sec.of Recuitment
Yes on Mixolidian
No to new embassies.

Also, should we start collaborating on issues with in our nations, to try and make our goverments the same, comrades?

Bolonesvia

1 year 283 days ago

Comrades, I recently joined the W.A, and if I can get a few endorsement's, I have a proposition that could help bring the workers of the world closer together.

Wu wei shan

1 year 283 days ago

FARC-EP Columbia is elected. Yes to Mixolidian. No to both embassies, both fail.

@ Bolonesvia - put your proposal on the RMB so that we can discuss it.

editorial opinion: There are some nations, old and new, with some un-socialist tendencies who have arrived recently. It is strongly suggested you make some different choices and change that. If you don't want to go along with the general pansocialist theme of the UPFS, earning our trust will be very difficult. I do not mean to be alarmist or make accusations, but we are a family here and will keep it that way.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 283 days ago

Excellent Comrades, thank you for the mandate of confidence for recruitment, I promise to follow your suggestion Wu Wei Shan, I only hope my nation is ok as it is, we are looking to make the economy completely public sector soon enough, and as you can see our country is a Civil Rights Lovefest with high welfare and subsidisation, high political and civil rights as well. I trust this is an ok nation to represent your recruitment, and that people wont begrudge my rainbow flag, I really like it and it makes me feel proud of who I am. Thanks Comrades, I shall get started tomorrow, and will work on realizing those promises as soon as possible in keeping with the spirit of PanSocialism and this region's history. For tonight, am off to catch some zzz's, a long day 'twas today...

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 283 days ago

Also Comrades whom it may concern or whom are able to respond, how long do I retain the position for, in essence, when is my term over? Would help me plan better, but only cause I'm the type that worries if I don't know things ahead of time (no surprises) :) have a nice day comrades, I hope the day smiles upon you all as it has me.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 283 days ago

I believe the terms for all government positions are 3 months, comrade.

Bolonesvia

1 year 282 days ago

Comrades, what do you believe a good tax rate is, because ours is 90%.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 282 days ago

It really depends on what you're going . I'm at 96%.

Wu wei shan

1 year 282 days ago

Terms for secretaries are either 50 or 80 days as per the constitution. For some reason as I attempted to update Mixolidian's name, I got a "WFE too long error" and had to delete the link to the obsolete 1st constitution for it to get accepted. It was probably due to the links added for the trackers, but I can't say for sure.

Wu wei shan

1 year 282 days ago

My editorial was not directed at you FARC. Your flag is cool and so is your nation.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 282 days ago

I knew I was wrong saying 3 months, that's why Wu is WAD! Sad to see the 1st Constitution go. Even though I wasn't a part of those days, I still enjoyed taking a peek at it every now and again. Can we get a link to it in the People's Referendum?

Wu wei shan

1 year 281 days ago

come to think of it, The Internationale's WFE is more than twice the size of ours. What the hell? Does anyone know about any limitations on them? If not, I'll have to search the forums later when I get off work.

Bolonesvia

1 year 281 days ago

Just saying comrades, should we create an offsite forum so should things need to be talked about and we dont want other nations to see, we can have a safe place.

The great kingdom of alagaesia

1 year 281 days ago

FACT OF THE WEEK!
No spaces in the darkened words

The word Pneumo noultramicrosco picsilicovolc anoconiosis is the longest word in a major dictionary. Oxford defines as "a lung disease caused by the inhalation of very fine silica dust, causing inflammation in the lungs" Where as Lopado­tema cho­selacho­galeo­kr anio­leipsano­drim­hypo­ trimmato­sil phio­parao­m elito­katakechy­meno­ kichl­epi­koss ypho­ph atto­per ister­alektry on­opte­k ephallio­ki gklo­pe leio­lagoio­si raio ­baphe­tra gano­ ptery gon is the longest word ever to appear in literature itself, it means (In greek) "name of a dish compounded of all kinds of dainties, fish, flesh, fowl, and sauces." Can you pronounce it?

Then the longest word that is published cannot be shown here, go here: http://www.tgmag.ca/tgo.v2e7/v2e7.7x_e.html

Wu wei shan

1 year 281 days ago

Embassy Vote:
Globalis Politica

@Bolonesvia- see Referendum 79. Such a forum exists and was set up, but abandoned due to preference of keeping discussions on RMB. You are welcome to try to resurrect it, tho.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 281 days ago

Embassy vote- Yes. Cannot tell you how much I enjoy this region.

Oric

1 year 281 days ago

Mix, telegram me for account and password.

Kryftland

1 year 281 days ago

Greetings comrades of the United Peoples Front for Socialism,
We have moved to this region as we have been attracted by the active socialist community here. We would like to be a part of this community and wish to contribute to regional politics in the future.
Here's a little introduction to Kryftland: We are a socialist, decentralised democratic nation who strive towards an egalitarian society. Our government is decentralised to local people's councils who are federated into the nation of Kryftland. We value solidarity, cooperation, liberty, social equality, social welfare and education. Our nation is not based on military, economic or political strength but on the strength of people, their happiness, health and compassion.
We hope you accept us into your community and we look forward to getting to know other nations here!

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 280 days ago

Welcome Kryftland! Feel free to check out our Referendum for past political actions and our Constitution as well. If you have any questions feel free to ask here or Telegram any of the Secretaries.

Ambibia

1 year 280 days ago

Whoa! been a couple weeks since I got on and bam! all these new nations! I would like to warmly open this region's arms to you comrades!

Ambibia

1 year 280 days ago

oh hey! calofas is back!

Wu wei shan

1 year 280 days ago

Warm Pansocialist welcome to Kryftland who hails from the good folks at Democratic Socialist Assembly. Great to have you aboard! What an influx of Red talent from around NS!

yes to Globalis Politica, they look nuts, but the right kind of nuts.

Kryftland

1 year 280 days ago

Thank you for the welcome!

The United Socialist States of Stovonia

1 year 280 days ago

Comrades i have returned! pardon my extended leave, stovonia is once again at your service

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 279 days ago

Stovonia, I don't know you...but i LIKE the enthusiasm. I'm assuming you started here before i did so welcome back comrade!

And another welcome back to comrade Ambibia after his short departure.

Oric

1 year 279 days ago

Welcome all!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 279 days ago

Take good care of Kryftland over here, guys. He will certainly be a great addition to your region and will be greatly missed back in the DSA.

On another note, To all UPFS members, I feel that as an ambassador, I play a very inactive role in your region. Is there anything you suggest I do to be a more active/better ambassador?

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 279 days ago

no

Kryftland

1 year 278 days ago

@Dsa ambassador to upfs - How embarrassing! Also, second point, the best you can do as ambassador is too keep up communication. Communication is vital to maintaining meaningful interregional relations for the sake of socialist solidarity.
@Farc-ep colombia - Rather blunt! Also, I was hoping to have some input into the region, so if you would like some help recruiting I would be willing.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 277 days ago

I'm sure FARC is working on his recruiting message/methods if he isn't already out there recruiting. Maybe send him a TG and try to get his attention.

Mixolidian

1 year 277 days ago

I have reviewed our embassies and I recommend the following for closure due to a distinct lack of activity in these regions.
region=the_evil_empire
region=international_league_of_communist_states
region=the_united_armies_of_anofel
region=eurasian_economic_community
region=communist_commonwealth
region=zenland
region=green_anarchy

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 277 days ago

I second closure of said embassies. Those are all wastelands.

Kryftland

1 year 277 days ago

Also Leninist Russia might be worth reviewing, as they are no longer communist and they are also sexist (as stated on their WFE).

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 277 days ago

I don't think they are necessarily sexist, but definitely no longer communist. They are a matriarchal government, and I don't really have a problem with that personally.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 277 days ago

No was not meaning to be blunt, but we do have a recruitment minister and a gov, yes, so I replied as politely as I could. You also asked everyone in the region nay?

The recruitment issue is not for lack of effort, I can definitely meet my goals I established in my platform. First couple of days of office usually aren't blockbuster events for any office, give it time Comrade from the DSA.

Kryftland

1 year 277 days ago

Oh OK I misunderstood the way you meant it.
I was not saying there was any issue with recruitment, I was simply offering to help sending out recruitment messages and such, as the more people the better! Please don't think I am being arrogant or forceful, I was just looking to get involved in the region.

With Leninist Russia, sexist was the wrong choice of words, but surely the domination of one group of society over another (in this case gender associated) is against the social equality ideals of socialism? Of course this is just my view.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 277 days ago

Aye, you have a letter from me Kryft.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 277 days ago

I concur with your view Kryftland. Yet in a world where women's rights are viewed as an afterthought in most areas of the world, I simply do not have a problem with a matriarchal society on NS. And while they are no longer Communist, all of the nations I saw were as Left-leaning as those in our own region.

Wu wei shan

1 year 276 days ago

Apologies I was out of town on business. Alas, I could not save Chavez.

Vote on the following embassy closures. (hat tip to Mixolidian for getting this done)
1. the_evil_empire
2. international_league_of_communist_states
3. the_united_armies_of_anofel
4. eurasian_economic_community
5. communist_commonwealth
6. zenland
7. green_anarchy
8. [region]Leninist Russia/[region]

Wu wei shan

1 year 276 days ago

crap
8. Leninist Russia

Bolonesvia

1 year 276 days ago

I agree on all but #2.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 276 days ago

You gave it your best Wu!

Close all, but 8. Leninist Russia.

Kryftland

1 year 276 days ago

Is there anything I need to do, or sign up to, before I can vote?

The United Socialist States of Stovonia

1 year 276 days ago

Agree on all except 8

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 276 days ago

No Kryftland, you are good to go comrade.

Wu wei shan

1 year 275 days ago

yes to close all but 7 and 8

Post self-deleted by Wu wei shan.

Wu wei shan

1 year 275 days ago

also: new Referendum 107 open for discussion edits

Ralfburghia

1 year 275 days ago

Hello all :) Nice to meet you

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 275 days ago

Welcome Ralfburghia!

Wu I think Ref. 107 is a great idea. It would allow our Secretaries validity in their movements across region to region. I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this as well.

Kryftland

1 year 275 days ago

Nice to meet you to Ralfburghia, I am new as well :)

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 275 days ago

Ref. 107 makes a lot of sense. I think it's an appropriate way to conduct foreign affairs. It finally clarifies the position of Sec. of Defense and Sec. of International Affairs in diplomatic relations.

Kryftland

1 year 275 days ago

Embassies: Yes to close all

Ref.107: It looks good. In the first line there is reference to a Secretariat, is that a typo or something different from a secretary?

Wu wei shan

1 year 274 days ago

I was referring to the office of the Secretary, in this case to account for the possible existence of Undersecretaries, but it appears to be technically incorrect. Fixed, w/ thanks.

Wu wei shan

1 year 274 days ago

Will wrap up voting on embassies this evening. Vote early and often, comrades.

In the meantime, barring any last-minute corrections, Proposal 107 of People's Referendum is now open for vote. Please refer to the entry in the PR link in the WFE, as the text is too long to post here.

p.s. loves the fact that having no government in Wu Wei Shan makes it the "least corrupt".

Wu wei shan

1 year 274 days ago

all embassies closed except Leninist Russia.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 274 days ago

I vote for Prop. 107.

Wu, "no government don't make government"

Oric

1 year 273 days ago

Hahaha Wu I see we're quoting presidential debates here.

Kryftland

1 year 273 days ago

Kryftland votes FOR Proposal 107.

Ambibia

1 year 272 days ago

For 107

can you TG me that password again Wu?

Braganza nova

1 year 272 days ago

hello to all pleased to be a new part of this region

Wu wei shan

1 year 272 days ago

for 107
Prop. 107 passes

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 272 days ago

Welcome Braganza nova!

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 271 days ago

RIP Calofas...

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 271 days ago

He'll be back.

Bolonesvia

1 year 271 days ago

Hello, comrades. I would like to make somthing known about our regional flag. Seeing as how most of us are not communist, me being one of the last one's now, in transition to democratic socialism, I believe we should form a new flag that shows more of how we are a group of nations trying to make the world better, and not using a simple hammer and sickle with a fancy background.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 271 days ago

By all means Bolonesvia make some suggestions. I'm no flag designer by any means, but would enjoy seeing some entries for a new symbol bearer.

Kryftland

1 year 271 days ago

Communism, to me, is not separate from democratic socialism, rather a category of ideologies/systems that includes democratic socialism. I would define communism as any economy where the means of production are not privately owned. Although, I have heard communism used as a synonym for Stalinism, which I think is why many non-authoritarian communists prefer the term socialism, to avoid the Stalinist stereotype. I personally like the flag, but it would be interesting to see what else people come up with.

Ambibia

1 year 270 days ago

I think we should require every flag to have red in it, not only is that socialist but good for regional patriotism

Wu wei shan

1 year 270 days ago

There is a People's Referendum defining the characteristics that the flag should have (#8, so it is an original part of the region's structure and has a lot of tradtion). In order to get a new flag, it would have to be adopted by a referendum as well. Anyone in the UPFS is able to make People's Referendum proposals through the General Secretary. If anyone has an idea for a flag, put together a proposal and we will vote on it.

Since we are tangent to the topic of reinventing ourselves, I would like for us to discuss what place the members feel the UPFS has in the greater Left community of Nation States. I can say that we enjoy a considerably wide reputation for stability and integrity, and saw this reputation expand in light of the success in hosting last year's LeftExpo and a couple of military solidarity actions...but we are sometimes disparaged for too much navel-gazing and not enough action on the revolutionary stage.

Many, many Leftist nations and regions revolve around "raiding" and re-founding Fascist regions and otherwise foiling their plans. Others serve as outlets for the propaganda of real-life leftist personalities, currents, tendencies, parties or countries. Those are all worthy and educational pursuits that benefit all Leftists, but sooner or later become stagnant, esoteric and self-perpetuating. However, I have noticed a near absence of any activity on the left strongly opposing Capitalism itself. This kind-of shocks me, even if this is just a game.

Without putting down all the fine work of the many comrades sticking it to the Fash, I think that sometimes this fight becomes a bit of an obsession, and really not a true fight (easy pickings) given the intellectual bankruptcy and violent history of that ideology. Is it possible that we lead some kind of Anticapitalist renaissance? Personally I loathe capitalism and property law with every fiber of my being. I'm sure many of you do too. Is there some way to channel that into productive and fun activity on NS?

If not, what is our vision for the region in the months and years ahead? In an earlier term I floated the idea of us getting together to write some in-game issues and WA resolutions dealing with improving the statistics of countries that actively try to run socialist economies but run afoul of the game's bias towards monetarism. A committee was created through P.R., but nothing came of it. Part of our lack of activity has to do with the turnover rate we seem to have had for a long time, and the other was the Not So Troubling Time. Of course real life always imposes itself, and some like to play simply for nation building. Now that we have experienced this recent immigration wave, maybe this is a chance to get some things done.

So I ask all of you new and old, to speak up and share with us what the UPFS means to you and what our future should look like. Sorry for the textwall, comrades.

Your loyal comrade,
Wu Wei Shan

Viradia

1 year 270 days ago

I believe, in real life, the Left is often plagued by vicious sectarianism. People following this specific version of the Left clash with followers of this other version. On the other hand, right-wingers always seem to find common ground and unite. I believe all "flavors" of left-wingers should unite under a common banner. I believe unity in diversity should be our common goal.

Kryftland

1 year 270 days ago

Indeed, you only need to look at the rise of the NSDAP (Nazi Party) and Hitler's consolidation of power to see how the left were unable to resist because they were bitterly divided between the parliamentarian SPD (democratic socialists) and the radical KPD (communists). I agree that pan-socialist unity is essential to the cuase, and as I understand it, this region has been a bastion of tolerance and diversity of "flavours" of left wingers.

Wu wei shan

1 year 269 days ago

thought I'd pass along a recent communique:

Hello, regional delegate of the World Assembly!

I telegram you because I see that you have voted for the current SC proposal called “Liberate Nazi Europe”. This proposal, if it were to pass, would open up a small, founderless region to be attacked by the armies of regions like The Pacific, The North Pacific, The South Pacific, and other regions among the world’s largest.

Although the region is called ‘Nazi’, the important thing here is not they think differently than us – it is a problem of freedom of speech. Everyone, no matter how they think, deserves to be able to meet with other like-minded people in a safe environment. Although many of us think Nazis are horrible, it would be wrong for us to take that away from them.

Therefore, I earnestly ask you to do several things:
1. At the very least, withdraw your vote from the proposal.
2. Change your vote to ‘against’.
3. Ask the other WA members of your region to either not vote on ‘Liberate Nazi Europe’ at all, or vote against the proposal.

Huge powers are using their power in abusive ways. I hope you make the right decision.

Thanks,

Galiantus
+++
No Mercy For Nazis.
You will find little support for your coddling of fascists among the Leftist regions. The best and brightest among us actively seize and lock stinking Fash cesspools that fail; they do the same to us when they can. The armies of the Pacifics had better move quickly before the Red Fleet beats them to the kill. This is just another in a long string of victories.

Wu Wei Shan
United People's Front for Socialism

Ambibia

1 year 269 days ago

I warmly chuckle

Wu wei shan

1 year 268 days ago

Comrades, I am going to be out of town long enough to not be able to run the GenSec. election properly. I am handing the official duties over to Skoalstraightius.
All nations interested in running or nominating someone can do so now. The election begins March 16.

Bolonesvia

1 year 268 days ago

Comrades, I am leaving to Leninist Russia because I enjoy the inter-regional wars they have, but I am leaving a puppet here because I dont want to leave my fellow socialists.

Mixolidian

1 year 268 days ago

There seems to be some problems over in the Fascist GGR, check out the posts in this region.
region=international_gestapo_courts

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 268 days ago

I nominate Wu wei shan for re-election to the position of General Secretary.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 268 days ago

Also, we wish you well Bolonesvia. You're welcome back anytime.

Very interesting Mix, I had not seen anything about this.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 266 days ago

How is everyone in the UPFS today? :)

Oric

1 year 266 days ago

Wu, that was no way to respond. You make us look bad.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 265 days ago

Sorry for the delay, but the election for General Secretary will start today. Cast your votes.

1. Wu wei shan
2. None of the Above

Kryftland

1 year 265 days ago

Kryftland votes yes for Wu wei shan for General Secretary.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 265 days ago

I vote for Wu wei shan.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 265 days ago

We enthusiastically vote for Comrade Wu wei shan

Mixolidian

1 year 265 days ago

I vote For Wu Wei Shan.

Ambibia

1 year 265 days ago

I second the votes for wu

Wu wei shan

1 year 265 days ago

we're back...thank you all for the votes!!

Embassy Votes:
1. Sozialistische Weltrepublik
2. Xethkhyr
Y or N until 3/19

@Oric: I am interested in your input. In what way do you think my response made us look bad?

The li founder

1 year 265 days ago

Today The Left Interregional is one year old!

Well done to all active participants. Hopefully the L.I. will have a long and prosperous future, to date this is the only incarnation of the Interregional to last 1 year +.

All comrade regions are expected to review the last years success and failures and think about how to approach the problem of keeping the inter-regional project current and relevant.

The political climate of Nationstates has changed in the last year and so too do we need to change. Modifications to the regions members and objectives are going to be a big part of the next few weeks conversations. The Communist Party of Nationstates is currently reviewing how to improve and expand the region and all comrade member regions are encouraged to do the same.

Only with the militant attitude of unity amongst the political left can we keep this project important and moving forward.

Thank you to all involved

Revolutionary regards;

V Ming

The United Socialist States of Stovonia

1 year 265 days ago

I vote for Wu Wei Shan

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 264 days ago

As it refers to to the Arnhelm standards of recruitment treaty: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=224492

I am of the opinion that it would be good policy to sign it. It merely agrees that we wont snipe members off of each other, unless I'm misinterpreting it. It doesn't seek to extend any kind of political control beyond recognition of each others mutual presence it seems. Im actually perplexed as to what it stands for beyond that, and I suppose if it turned into a WA bloc of some sort I'd be against it.

A region should engage with others yes, but maintain its sense of sovereignty and not constantly be diverted from its own initiative because it might be someone's opinion from afar that it is against their policy or credo. This is probably why Oric felt that you replied badly Wu, although I deeply appreciate the sentiment and acknowledge the comradeship you've shown the internationalist struggle and antifa, so yes, it was an honor to vote for you for Gen Sec as a citizen of UPFS. So indeed, I feel you responded well, if anything public opinion on the wide level is with the antifascist struggle, otherwise the Liberation proposal passed in the WA would not have happened with such a wide margin for NAZI EUROPE, and the Condemn Antifa and Condemn Feux(original writer of liberate NAZI EUROPE prop) both failed, one nascent on the floor without enough approvals after three days. So that shows that even regions that are capitalist, pseudo-imperialist, of whatever ilk they may be they all feel strongly enough against the presence of hate mongers that they wont tolerate such blatant attempts to strangle a positive movement.

Peace and Solidarity,
FARC EP COLOMBIA

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 264 days ago

I say that statement of sovereignty, of course couched in the efforts of your region, and its namesake axiomatic presence of PanSocialism, it is in line with that that your Gen Secretary is graciously seeking to repair the damages done I guess by history, and ill associations in my home region of The Internationale and Democratic Socialist Assembly, seeking to mediate then, he's found a way of opening a dialogue and hopefully moving past a long row. Without both foresight , to know when to foster and when to attack, when to approach a situation with the olive branch and when to approach it with a stick, that is the essential quality that will determine your success as your repopulate. I promise to redouble my efforts to recruit, which have fallen short by my attentions being drawn by other matters in rl and in precedence of a wider socialist struggle. Salutations as always, to the citizens of this great region. :)

Peace and Solidarity,
FARC EP COLOMBIA

Wu wei shan

1 year 264 days ago

Thank you for your eloquent support Comrade FARC-EP. Nazis bring out the worst in me sometimes, but I will always stand firm against the Capitalist pig and Fash running dog to defend the Revolution and PanSocialism. To fill everyone else in, myself and Mixolidian are exploring the possibility of brokering a peace treaty concerning a running feud between the Internationale and the Democratic Socialist Assembly which we were almost drawn into. These are truly exciting times for the UPFS. As long as I am able I will do whatever I can to increase the prestige and involvement of our beloved region on the larger Leftist and NS stages.

Reminder to all to vote on embassies. (no to both from us)

Also at Vote: Proposal 108
Y or N until 3/21

A Revolution - If you can keep it!

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Kryftland

1 year 263 days ago

It is good to see our region taking action to consolidate left wing unity. This feud between the DSA and Internationale is a great shame as I know personally that the nations of both regions are great people and committed leftists. Socialist solidarity and cooperation is a greater cause than the small differences in foreign policy between the two regions.

Wu wei shan

1 year 263 days ago

I will humbly call the election in favor of Wu Wei Shan. Thanks again for your support, comrades, and I will serve to the best of my ability.
Also, VOTE.

Kryftland

1 year 263 days ago

NO to both embassies.
YES to Proposal 108

Mixolidian

1 year 263 days ago

I vote no to both embassies.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 263 days ago

On behalf of the Democratic Socialist Assembly, I would like to thank Wu wei shan, Mixolidian, and the entire United Peoples Front for Socialism for being so willing and happy to create peace between the DSA and The Internationale. Hopefully your eagerness will bring plenty of good to our area of the world.

Thank you again,

The Democratic States of Terlibe
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 263 days ago

Nay to both embassies. Yes to Prop 108.

Ujjanistan

1 year 263 days ago

Wu Wei Shan, old friend, lost all that power for nothing. And worse... My enemies have a stronger region than I had. All those mercenaries and defender, invaders. They are making military agreements all the time from what I see. the dominion of Ujjanistanian lords is BETTER. Can I reside in this region?

Wu wei shan

1 year 262 days ago

Yes Ujjanistan, we do not turn away those seeking asylum, especially those victim of a Fascist coup, but your nation's characteristics conflict with our way of life here severely. Are you going to start giving your people some freedoms? Islamic empires and democratic socialist paradises don't really mesh well, either, so you may want to reconsider your nation type as well. Please read our constitution and People's referendum and decide whether this region is for you.

HOWEVER, being the founder of your region, you can clean it up quickly if you so desire by kicking and banning the perpetrators. The DUL will always be attached to your nation as long as you exist, but we will try to help you as long as you do not intend to recreate a region not fit for human beings.

Ambibia

1 year 261 days ago

yes to both embassies and prop. 108

Wu wei shan

1 year 261 days ago

whoops
Looks like I never lodged the message yesterday.
Prop 108 passes - FARC-EP can go ahead and sign on
both embassies fail.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 261 days ago

Wouldn't it be best if our foreign affairs minister signed the treaty or notified the proper people :) Just speaking on it to not step on his toes, though I've advised the nation running the thread to please look at our legislature and consider it confirmation of signatory status. Salutes to all the citizens of the region !

-Peace
FARC EP COLOMBIA

Ambibia

1 year 261 days ago

^agreed

Mixolidian

1 year 260 days ago

I will be happy to sign the Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards treaty. As long as this is ok with our General Secretary and Secretary of Recruitment.

Wu wei shan

1 year 260 days ago

Yes, you are correct FARC-EP. I just didn't want to overload Mixolidian, what with the peace treaty in progress, and figured since it was about recruitment, the Recruitment Secretary could do it; but it correctly must go thru Mixo first. Apologies.

Mixolidian

1 year 259 days ago

I have sent a TG to the nation that created the Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards informing them of our intention to sign the declaration.

Kryftland

1 year 259 days ago

So, how does the justice system work in your nation? With politics and economics being the predominant discussion point I don't know much about justice in various ideologies and systems.

Wu wei shan

1 year 259 days ago

Justice really only exists in the context of laws and property. Since Wu Wei Shan has neither, the concept as most people understand it doesn't really apply.

Mixolidian

1 year 259 days ago

I am pleased to inform the region that the UPFS is now a signatory of the Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards.

Wu wei shan

1 year 258 days ago

Embassy Votes
1. The Great North Korea
2. UCR

(no to both from WWS)

Kryftland

1 year 258 days ago

Wu Wei Shan, that's interesting, I agree with there being no property and therefore no property law, but no law and justice completely? What happens when a citizen murders or rapes another citizen?
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The Great North Korea: Definitely AGAINST. North Korea is a disgrace to the name of socialism, I am sure Marx is rolling in his grave thinking of the wealth gap, oppression and human rights abuse.
UCR: ABSTAIN. I do not know anything about this region, though they don't seem up to much.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 258 days ago

It seems The Great North Korea is always asking to open an embassy with the UPFS.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 258 days ago

Nay to both. @DSA Ambassador, I have noticed the same. Eventually they will see the writing on the wall.

Wu wei shan

1 year 258 days ago

@ Kryftland: In propertarian society, what happens is Revenge, not Justice (which is notoriously hard to define anyway). Nothing can undo the acts of violence you posit. Families can exact punishment if they so wish, but murder and rape are almost non-existent when property is as well. We have rules and mores, but no laws because there is no state to create or enforce them. Besides, almost everyone here has 10 years of martial arts training under the master of their choice, guns are are forbidden and no one really is alone unless they wish it. We have made a concerted effort to remove the causes of "crime" and therefore the need for justice. There is no private property and everyone gets what they need (eventually) so there is no theft. Men and women are equals in thought and deed, and sex/love is taboo-free, so there is almost no rape (that we know of anyway). Killing happens occasionally in duels, but this is expected and not considered murder. By far the worst punishment in Wu Wei Shan, if it was ever needed, is to get kicked out.

Mixolidian

1 year 257 days ago

I vote Against The Great North Korea embassy request and Abstain from UCR.

Kryftland

1 year 257 days ago

Wu Wei Shan; yes, achieving justice over revenge is very difficult and also subjective; whether 'justice' in propertarian society is actually revenge is debatable, we have come a long way since an-eye-for-an-eye thinking, but ultimately I agree. But on the other hand - what I surmise from your explanation (though I may be understanding you wrong) is that in your nation, there is no law and therefore no 'justice' system so-to-speak, and that it is left to the people to react to any wrongdoing in their own way, such as by duels - surely you could argue that this allows for revenge rather than justice in a much more literal sense. If people react to wrongdoing on their own behalf, they may be compelled by emotion or a misplaced sense of delivering justice, to carry out a revenge that perhaps surpasses the original wrongdoing, which would only open the door for a fatal circle of revenge for a revenge for a revenge etc, and also expansion of the issue, whereby a conflict between two individuals could lead to a full scale conflict between two social blocks... or perhaps this is just my pessimistic view of the lack of rational self control individuals are capable of without foreseeing the consequences of their actions and without the perspective of the greater order of things beyond their own self-awareness.
A particularly interesting notion that you allude to is that of the diminished presence of 'crime' (or whatever relative term for wrongdoing you might have in a lawless state) in society makes it less significant and releaves the need for a justice system. It is an argument that I often expand on when people claim 'if there is no strong authority telling people what to do then there will be lots of crime and death etc etc', I agree that without the inequality of capitalism, and without the corrupting capitalist values of wealth and power, there will not be crime as we see and understand it today, however to think that in an eglitarian, libertarian, socialist state that there would be no 'crime' would be to misunderstand human nature - even in a perfect world people might be driven to murder etc by emotional torment, by mental instability etc, so in this light I believe that some organised system for dealing with wrongdoing and conflict between people would be essential for the stability of society. It would have to be something run by the people for the people, at a local level, untainted by bureaucracy or excessive authority.
One of the things Max Barry got right in his game mechanics was allowing for social stability without oppressive regulation and authority. I have never given much power to the police or state to enforce the law and crush crime etc, and instead focused on solving the root of the problem: social inequality and conflict (conflict between unequals and conflict between state vs people), and expected to see my crime rates go through the roof, but surprisingly found that crime is 'almost non-existent' in my nation thanks to that approach, which I'm sure is the case for most other socialist comrades.
As for the greatest punishment being getting kicked out, I couldn't agree more. If I were so lucky as to reside in the nation of Wu wei shan I would see nothing worse than losing that privelage :)

Wu wei shan

1 year 257 days ago

whereby a conflict between two individuals could lead to a full scale conflict between two social blocks...

Actually the reverse tends to happen; strong and stable social groups prevent that from happening to the point of upsetting the larger social order. Duels are just a ritualized way of letting off steam. Sometimes people just have it in for one another, so they duke it out with seconds, medics, rules etc. Because the "nuclear family" as a basic social unit has been subsumed into the clan, tribe or what have you, there is less of a tendency to go all out to defend a blood relative like in "civilized" society.

Most stuff is handled quietly, in house, to save face. More serious conflicts are first hashed out by elders and then democratically in meetings. But a lot of effort is also put into nipping things in the bud. There are not many TVs or cell phones here so the atomization that plagues modern civilization has reverted to the community where most everyone has an idea of what everyone else is up to. This is necessary in true socialism where the benefits are maximized when cooperation is. In addition is the point I made before, the root causes of escalating revenge have been removed.

however to think that in an eglitarian, libertarian, socialist state that there would be no 'crime' would be to misunderstand human nature
I would ask what kind of crime would still exist? I also do not subscribe to the belief that "human nature" exists, since no one actually knows for certain what it is, other than that which is foisted upon it as laid out in the Materialist Conception of History. People in emotional torment or mental instability are given the care they need free. Everyone has at least one social structure to fall back on in tough times. Without using the word utopian, given a world where material needs are satisfied, much of what we know of as crime ceases to exist. The organized system we try to perfect is proactive avoidance of these things. Think of when someone commits suicide or a mass murder...people say "If only we saw the signs"...they saw them alright, but either didn't care or the resources needed to do something were not available. Crime and these kinds of things can be prevented when people can get the help they need before they think about doing something rash.

I have a high crime rate because I abolished prisons, police and the military. Curious to see if yours is similar. Max Barry didn't get it right IMO.
"It is difficult to tell where the omnipresent government stops and the rest of society begins, but it devotes most of its attentions to Education, with areas such as Defence and Law & Order receiving almost no funds by comparison. Crime -- especially youth-related -- is a serious problem, and the police force struggles against a lack of funding..."

sorry for textwall

Kryftland

1 year 256 days ago

"Actually the reverse tends to happen; strong and stable social groups prevent that from happening to the point of upsetting the larger social order."
Yes I see now how this would be the case.
I agree with most of what you have said, now that you have explained - this is why I enjoy debating these sort of things because it allows me to develop my own understanding and opinion by exploring other peoples perspectives.
The only thing I'm unsure of is this idea of duelling - it seems a bit antiquated to me!? I can just imagine two aristocrats saying "how dare you insult me by calling me common! I challenge thee to a duel! Take out your sword and prepare for my wrath!". OK so I'm joking a bit there, but the point is, it seems a bit out of place in a socialist society, it seems like something the belongs in the middle-ages.
I think I approached this from the wrong angle anyway; as you imply, you can't really translate a 'justice system' to a socialist society, I can see that now.

Wu wei shan

1 year 256 days ago

lol I enjoy the debates and learning points of view as well, they help keep me sharp. We Taos have our weaknesses, and are working on them, but old traditions die hard. "Face", and the saving thereof, is still a somewhat strange concept to westerners. at least we got enough people to clean the sewers (socialist inside joke).

Wu wei shan

1 year 255 days ago

Both embassies fail.

Farc-ep colombia

1 year 254 days ago

I am resigning from my government post, I apologize I wasn't more successful in bringing more people here. I'm very sorry I let my own issues outside of this region take precedence, am very ashamed. I would like for the region to have some sympathy though, with what is my mindset I suppose, so please look at recent happenings in Communist International League. I'm taking a break from anything political, beyond associating with my home region, which I know stands by me regardless, they've shown me great friendship and true humanity. I also would very much like to think the gracious people of this region, for accepting someone different. Long live Pan Socialism!

Kryftland

1 year 254 days ago

Farc-ep colombia, I am shocked at what I have read on their RMB, it makes me feel awful thinking that there are socialists out there, WA delegates in fact, who would emotionally abuse you in such a underhand, homophobic way - it's disgusting. My heart pours out to you comrade. You don't at all need to apologise for anything, you have done nothing wrong, I am sure everyone in this region understands that recruitment has not been top of your priority list after an instance such as this. I am no authority here, but I'm sure the other secretaries would agree that you would be welcome to return to your secretary position as soon as you feel comfortable to do so.

Mixolidian

1 year 254 days ago

There is no need to apologise FARC-EP Colombia, you have served this region very well.
I have loged a compliant to my counterpart in the Communist International League, and I am awaiting their reply.

Wu wei shan

1 year 254 days ago

re: the CIL incident - We as a society still have a long way to go. If anything, the momentous changes occurring since Obama was elected has cause many closet bigots to out themselves. They are on the wrong side of history. Come back soon FARC-EP as we need you here, but we understand your loyalty to your home region.

While we are on the subject of recruiting; I have been considering this since I posted a call for visionaries on the RMB, and in light of our past history, I feel that the Secretary of Recruitment position is an albatross and perhaps no longer necessary. Instead I think that the function can be taken over by an ad hoc committee, if and when we decide that recruitment is important to the region.

I also like the idea of expanding our diplomatic corps so that we have at least one puppet in the major regions that we have embassies with. I have one, Baarle-hertog h-23, in the Internationale and enjoy it there (but not as much as my home here). It is my opinion that any growth in activity and in the region itself is going to come from the kinds of interactions like the Internationale/DSA peace process and last year's LeftEXPO and Solidarity Actions. In addition, we will have an idea of what is going on in the larger Left community. These puppets can be your own with UPFS in the motto, or an official one that can be passed on if you lose interest. This is going to make the International Secretary's job more complicated as they would be keeping track of this activity (checking dossiers, receiving reports, etc.) but I think that position should be second only to the WAD in terms of importance and responsibility.

Lastly, I was thinking asking the Internal Affairs Secretary to go through our People's Referendum and identify all of the ones that are obsolete so that we can start a new PeopRef thread (via cut-n-paste) that is much more compact and readable, and with an index if possible (this may present access issues but I think we can solve them if we get that far). In my opinion this should also be an elected position.

What are your opinions/criticisms of these ideas? I know this is laying a lot down quickly, and people have busy lives, but I'd like for as many nations as possible to have a voice in how we progress as a region.

Wu wei shan

1 year 254 days ago

The Secretary of Recruitment is now vacant. As per the constitution, the position is to be offered to Oric since they ran in the previous election. Oric, do you accept? (cc: Oric via TG)

Tito partisans

1 year 253 days ago

Greetings comrades!

I come to you as a diplomatic puppet of The Internationale. I wanted to thank all of you comrades here for you role in the negotiations between my region and the DSA. I also wanted to send my armrest greetings and salutations to our dear comrades and friend of this region. :)

Warmest regards and solidarity!
Socialist space republic

Oric

1 year 253 days ago

I'll run. Now that school has pretty much cleared up in terms of assessments, I'm free for a long time.
Regards,
Comrade Coutts

Wu wei shan

1 year 253 days ago

Comradely welcome to you, Tito Partisans!

Oric is now Recruitment Secretary for the remainder of the term.

New Embassy Votes:
New Oceania
Communists for Communist Communism

Oric

1 year 253 days ago

Oh cool. That was easy.
Previous secretary, could you tg me regarding job tasks?
Revolutionary regards,
Comrade Coutts

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 252 days ago

Comrades, I have been silent for a long time and have occasionally checked in to keep up with the region.
Although I have not been very active, I realize that our region contains archaic legislation and has not progressed in terms of its institutions. At the same time, I recognize the progress we've made inter-regionally. However, Wu wei shan is right in asserting that there needs to be domestic reforms.

Basically, I see the major reforms to be:

1. A reformation of the Secretarial System/Judicial Power
2. Elimination of the obsolete Departmental System (found in the second Constitution)
3. Expansion of Voluntary Association
4. A single comprehensive & accessible source for all legislation documents, past and present. (Perhaps our wiki page can be remodeled to focus on that)

I have a few ideas on solutions to these four reforms:

1. A reformation of the Secretarial System
The elimination of the Secretary of Recruitment, Secretary of Defense, Secretary of International Affairs, and the Secretary of Internal Affairs. The creation of a Secretary of Justice, an elected position that holds the judicial power in the region (no longer under the General Secretary). The judicial process would be very similar, however, the prosecutor would be elected right before the trial and investigation will be conducted by the Secretary of Justice.
As for Recruitment, Defense, and Inter-regional Affairs, these will be conducted through ad hoc committees (such as mentioned by Wu wei shan). Depending on the initiative, a Secretary will be the leader of the project/initiative, elected by the People's Referendum around the time of the creation of the project/initiative. For example, if the region wants to use the Unity-Army, the region can elect an organizer (secretary), who will act to conduct the operation. This way individual inactivity will have less affect on regional activity as a whole. A foreign policy example includes the recent peace-making between the Internationale and DSA. Instead of relying on the activity of the Secretary of International Affairs (who at the time was thankfully active), an active member of UPFS can be elected to carry out the project on the spot. The reformation of the Secretarial System would make our bureaucracy more fluid and adaptable, while still empowering nations with leadership roles.

2. Elimination of the obsolete Departmental System (found in the second Constitution)
The Departmental System found in our Constitution was a total flop and should be removed, since it hinders and confuses any future reforms.

3. Expansion of Voluntary Association
With the changes in the Secretarial System, we would need a strong system of Voluntary Associations, since these would dominate the way projects/initiatives will be conducted. We would need legislation that defines committees' powers and restrictions. Intuitively, I would restrict committees to powers that pertain to their purpose and nothing beyond that. Committees would be required to be open to all that volunteer. Other than that, I draw a blank as to what would be included in legislation regarding committees (any ideas?). Also, what will be the status or function of Political Parties as defined by the Constitution. In other words, should we keep this provision?

4. A single comprehensive & accessible source for all legislation documents, past and present.
If we dedicate a wiki page to legislative documents or remodel our current one to be focused on legislative documents. We will be able to document all legislation with an easy-to-access index. As Wu wei shan points out, some past legislation is obsolete. On a wiki page, we can retain the legislation will making the distinction that it is obsolete. This would greatly clarify the legal structure of the region

Lastly, I apologize for the long post and understand if the region does not want to consider reform at this time. However, I believe we are due for some new major reforms that will make our region unique and more efficient. Dialogue on reform will also lead to conversation on the direction of the region, which is always a plus.

In Solidarity,
The Electronic Future

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 252 days ago

I forgot to mention, but these reforms would require a new (third) Constitution

Kryftland

1 year 252 days ago

That is a very comprehensive reform The Electronic Future; I will always agree with the elimination of unnecessary bureaucracy, and your suggested (I assume an extrapolation of Wu Wei Shan's proposal for the Secretary of Recruitment) ad hoc committees to replace the departmental system both make an permanent bureaucracy unnecessary and ineffectual by comparison. The only issue I can see arising from this is an impeded response to critically urgent crises, as it would take time to elect an ad hoc secretary and organise the required committe; a solution to this could be giving the General Secretary the power to respond to issues that require and immediate response that would normally be beyond their mandate - but subject to review following the event by an appropriate committee if deemed necessary.

I'm not really sure what the point is of political parties, as specified in the constitution, certainly not in a region of this size.

A restructure of legislative records would be beneficial. When I arrived here not long ago it was certainly confounding, and I still do not have a solid understanding! I doubt most nations arriving would take the time not only to read through the constitution but also to read through all five pages of the People's Referendum - I did, but after a while it stops going in! Reading through the People's Referendum is particularly confusing due to the amount of legislation that is no longer applicable or has been superseeded by new proposals. Just putting out there a random suggestion, perhaps you could amalgamate the two levels of legislation (PR Proposals and constitutional legislation) so that all proposals passed by the People's Referendum become part of the Constitution, and therefore the Constitution would provide a complete charter of UPFS legislation in a logically organised and indexed document.

Wu wei shan, I am a little confused as to what you are suggesting with regards to ambassadors. Do you mean one formal ambassador in each embassy region, representing the UPFS on a diplomatic basis, or do you mean any number of UPFS nations having secondary nations in embassy regions, informally representing the UPFS with the aim of making our presence, and our members, known? It seems you are suggesting a synthesis of these two models, but wouldn't it be a little dangerous granting puppets official ambassador status, but being on an informal personal basis?

I agree, WWS, that our success as a region will arise from actively upholding our principle of pan-socialism, by being a truly inter-regional presence, as socialism has no borders, and unity can only strengthen the socialist NS community.

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Embassy votes:
New Oceania
WFE entry says "We are a socialist and pro-peace and fair elections", yet their WA Delegate is a "Corrupt Dictatorship" and their Founder is an "Innoffensive Centrist Democracy, so I will ABSTAIN.
Communists for Communist Communism
Initially not sure if they were mocking communism or just had a sense of humour, but it would appear to be the latter (due to embassies and tags) so I will vote FOR.

Wu wei shan

1 year 251 days ago

We vote no to both embassies. There are only 2 votes so far so, I will extend voting to tomorrow since it's a holiday weekend for some.

I am pleased to see the beginnings of calls for overall reform. I love revamping stuff when it gets old and stale.
It is ironic that the day we have the zombie uprising on NationStates, we hear from Electronic future after a long hiatus -just kidding :P I agree in principle to his points, however I do think that Defense and International Secys should stay and new ones created as apropos. We can start working on #4 at any time, and The Free Land of Skoalstraightius has agreed to start sifting thru the dusty scrolls to separate outdated PRs from the current stuff.

@Kryftland: I was thinking of expanding the current diplomatic corps with a combination of your two options as laid out in Referendum 107 depending on the importance of the respective regions to the UPFS. Some puppets would have diplomatic powers and some wouldn't, depending on rank. It will all be decided before hand though.

So let's start from the beginning -
Peoples Poll #1
Are you in favor of:
1. Amending the current constitution to make it more relevant to the region (this means following the amendment procedures)
2. Nullifying the current constitution and writing a new one (this means REVOLUTION hehe)
3. Talk about it a little more before making a hasty decision
4. Keep things as-is

Oric

1 year 251 days ago

Ok, who's bloody idea was it to have zombies running around?

Braganza nova

1 year 251 days ago

Our people will go down fighting *cocks shotgun*

Oric

1 year 250 days ago

My chaps are focusing on a cure

Kryftland

1 year 250 days ago

With a 0.35% simulated 'survival rate', our infectious fatal disease outbreak drill did not go as planned. Well at least we know what to work on to be better prepared for the real thing. ;)

Braganza nova

1 year 249 days ago

We vote towards option 1 Comrades.

That was a fun event ;) In the 'real thing' I'd have been running for somewhere to hide hah

Ambibia

1 year 249 days ago

damn I miss it again this year! damn damn damn damn damn! anyplace that still has any remnets of the game?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 249 days ago

Ambiba, look under the News section. I believe there are still some links there.

I starting over with another Constitution would be the way to proceed, comrades. The amendment process alone would take us quite awhile to vote on. I shudder at the thought after looking through our Referendum. I vote 2, with an understanding that we all need to discuss our next steps.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 249 days ago

I vote for option 3.

I think these reforms require a new Constitution (or "Revolution" as Wu Wei Shan puts it), since they form an entirely new structure of government. If we were to only remove Departments and Parties from the Constitution (and there seems to be general agreement here), then sure, it would be best done as amendments.
However, my reform also radically changes the Secretarial system, making it more fluid. This is where there seems to be disagreement and/or skepticism.

Kryftland's makes the point that the Committee system would create "an impeded response to critically urgent crises, as it would take time to elect an ad hoc secretary and organise the required committe". I agree that an appropriate a solution to this, also proposed by Kryftland, would be "giving the General Secretary the power to respond to issues that require an immediate response that would normally be beyond their mandate - but subject to review following the event by an appropriate committee if deemed necessary." My only qualm with this argument is the assertion that there are "critically urgent crises" in which a decision must be made in a length of time where a regional vote cannot take place. Other than ejecting nations from the region (a power already clearly defined in the Constitution), the General Secretary doesn't have any other responsibilities that require immediate action without initial consent of the People's Referendum. In short, the proposed problem is, in my opinion, a non-problem, given the provisions in the Constitution. The positions that are being eliminated never had to deal with immediate actions for urgent crises, because their mandate would never put them in that situation. Therefore, the General Secretary does not need any more powers, than it already has. The People's Referendum should be able to handle all other situations, as it has done in the past.

Wu wei shan- I disagree that we should maintain those positions at all. Under the Committee system, we can go in any direction the region wishes. But having to elect one Secretary for all issues concerning Inter-regional Affairs and another for all issues of Defense AND having these two secretaries incapable of taking on tasks concerning a combination of both, would stifle action. Right now, the Secretary of International Affairs must only concern themselves with inter-regional actions and the Secretary of Defense with defense-related actions. If a situation requires the two of them and one of them isn't around, constitutionally, action should not occur. In the past, this has been resolved by one taking on both responsibilities at the same time in a given situation. It makes more sense, however, to elect a secretary towards a specific action. Thereby, allowing this secretary to concern themselves with whatever is related to the project/initiative rather than a specific field. Another issue with permanent secretaries is vacancy. Vacancy can led to stagnation in the region and is counterproductive when nation's try to conduct projects/initiatives, but find that the secretary has not returned or will not be back for a while and has not notified the region prior. The new kind of Secretary would be elected by the Referendum and exist for the duration of the project/initiative, until that nation resigns, or if the nation (or their project/initiative) is removed by the Referendum.

I apologize for another long message.

Wu wei shan

1 year 249 days ago

No apologies needed - the long message was needed to explain your position. As long as we feel we can get things done, then I'm on board. This is kind of exciting because in some ways we are making that fabled "transition" to pure socialism/communism. Everybody gets a say and everybody gets involved. The General Secretary/WAD only exists to take care of game-mechanics duties and record keeping. Let's do it.

Kryftland

1 year 249 days ago

People's Poll #1: I vote option 3.
I will support a complete 'revolution' of the secretarial system, but a little more healthy debate is needed!
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"In short, the proposed problem is, in my opinion, a non-problem" - The Electronic Future
Yes I was probably thinking beyond the scope of nationstates. On second thoughts there wouldn't be a situation within the realm of NS that would require such an immediate and autocratic response.
Also I agree that all secretary offices - except GenSec - should be abandoned for the proposed transient committees.

Just to check that I understand correctly, at the moment we have proposals in the People's Referendum, that can be 'upgraded' to constitutional amendments? I would ask what is the need for two levels of legislation? It would make a lot more sense if the PR was used as the voting tool, and all passed legislation was added to the constitution, possibly on the wiki page as TEF suggests. Just an idea, but correct me if I'm missing something - I still don't know the ins and outs of UPFS government.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 249 days ago

"Just to check that I understand correctly, at the moment we have proposals in the People's Referendum, that can be 'upgraded' to constitutional amendments? I would ask what is the need for two levels of legislation? It would make a lot more sense if the PR was used as the voting tool, and all passed legislation was added to the constitution, possibly on the wiki page as TEF suggests. "

The only problem would be clogging the PR with voting messages. Taking all votes on the PR would eventually lead us back to cleaning it out from time to time, and that is a heavy task in itself. We could go the route of Telegram voting, but voting in a public forum is best in my opinion. It comes down to clogging the RMB or PR. Just comes down to logistics at this point.

I agree with the idea of putting forward Secretaries(Leaders) of projects, but I do have some questions.

1. How do we come up with a proper "Term limit"? Some projects will be short-term of course, but what of ones that need lengthy time periods and dedicated support?

2. Will the project proposer be the Secretary or will they have the right to nominate someone to lead the project?

3. Once a Secretary is chosen for a project, will he/she form the committee or will we vote as to who helps him/her?

Another logistics question that is far off time wise, just trying to get a feel for the proposed system.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 248 days ago

@Kryftland- I will try answer your question as to the purpose of having two levels of legislation, both the Referendum and Constitution. The legislation in the People's Referendum is passed through a simple majority, while amendments must pass by a vote of 2/3. Originally, this meant 2/3 of the region, but inactivity posed a problem, so legislation was passed to make it 2/3 of participating voters. The purpose of the Constitution is to have certain legal elements (such as the definitions of powers, rights, and obligations) require more agreement within the region to be changed or added. The People's Referendum, on the other hand, can define these things as well (in fact, it vote on anything it wants). However, the provisions of the Constitution outweigh those in the Referendum. The provisions are in no way permanent, but require much more consensus in the region to alter.

@Skoalstraightius- So far voting on the RMB and discussing the legislation on the RMB has worked. So, I think we can keep this method for now, where we vote on RMB and record on PR. If the region becomes very large, then we may need to consider a new voting mechanism (different from the RMB). But for now, it doesn't seem to be an immediate problem.

Your questions are exactly what we need to consider when constructing this new system.
1. How do we come up with a proper "Term limit"? Some projects will be short-term of course, but what of ones that need lengthy time periods and dedicated support?

In my opinion, term limits should be flexible to the project. If a project ends, then so does the term. However, for long projects, we may consider making terms to be no higher than 100 days (I picked this number arbitrarily and there may be a better suggestion). We may also consider adapting the provision found in our current Constitution for inactive secretaries, which states that inactive secretaries can be replaced by Acting Secretaries (temporary replacements).

2. Will the project proposer be the Secretary or will they have the right to nominate someone to lead the project?

This should be decided along with the vote for the initiative. I think the position of Secretary for a project so be elected. The proposer can run for it or nominate someone else, however another nation can also run for that position.

3. Once a Secretary is chosen for a project, will he/she form the committee or will we vote as to who helps him/her?

The committee should be open to as many nations that care to participate. The Secretary's purpose is to organizes the committee's actions, speak for the committee, and make sure that the task is carried through. It is the job of the interested nation to contact the Secretary to become active in the committee.

Perezonia

1 year 248 days ago

Perezonia votes for Option 1.

Wu wei shan

1 year 248 days ago

With WWS voting for option 2, we currently have 1,2, and 3 each receiving 2 votes. So far no one wants the status quo, which is good. Can we hear some debate from those who would rather amend the constitution? Keep in mind this is only a poll right now, but so far the results are very encouraging. Let's hear from more comrades!

Let me clarify that #3 was kind of a misleading choice as it was worded kind of silly. Of course we will debate this milestone (thoroughly) before doing anything. I guess I've read too many of Max Barry's issues and have started mimicking them.

The embassies kind of got lost in the shuffle: Communists for Communist Communism's request is no longer on the queue, and We vote no on New Oceania, so it fails. There are now 2 more:
1. The Mafia States
2. Musical Socialism and Communism

We vote no on both.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 247 days ago

I'd like to change my vote to option 2.

Kryftland

1 year 247 days ago

We will also change our vote to option 2.

Embassies:
-The Mafia States: NO
-Musical Socialism and Communism: YES

Mixolidian

1 year 247 days ago

I vote for option 4 on keeping the status quo, and no to both embassy requests.

Oric

1 year 247 days ago

I'm going with 4. Seems like a good choice

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 246 days ago

Mafia States: No
Musical Socialism and Communism: Yes.

I am done sorting through the People's Referendum. I will be organizing my notes into categories and passing them onto Wu wei shan tonight. If anybody else would like to look through them and check my notes let me know!

Wu wei shan

1 year 246 days ago

When Skoalstraightius gets finished weeding out the obsolete Referendums, I was thinking of copypasting them to an archive. Then we can either do the same with the current ones and/or incorporate them into the constitution at some point.

Would it be better to put them on the WIKI or a separate Forum factbook thread?

Lets hear from some more comrades...
(Poll) Are you in favor of:
1. Amending the current constitution to make it more relevant to the region (this means following the amendment procedures)
2. Nullifying the current constitution and writing a new one (this means REVOLUTION hehe)
4. Keep things as-is

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 246 days ago

Just to let everyone in the UPFS know, The Constitutional Monarchy of Haltari has been elected President/WAD of the DSA, and I, The Democratic States of Terlibe have been elected Secretary General. The Socialist People's Republic of Herrebrugh is still the Minister or Foreign Affairs. Just letting you know incase you need to contact us. :)

Also, I will mean ambassador to the UPFS, so you're stuck with me. :P

Signed,

The Democratic States of Terlibe
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS
Secretary General of the DSA

Oric

1 year 246 days ago

Also, Welcome to New Canada!

The popular front

1 year 246 days ago

I will vote for the status quo, option 4. And no to Mafia States, and yes to Musical Socialism and Communism. How much more democratic and revolutionary can the current constitution be made?

Wu wei shan

1 year 245 days ago

Mafia States fails, Musical Socialism and Communism passes

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 245 days ago

Ooohh I mean 'remain' not 'mean'. Yikes, that could have caused some controversy!

Communists for communist communism

1 year 244 days ago

Greeting from communists for communist communism (nightmare communism faction).

This sock puppet is here to explain that c4cc(ncf) is in fact made up of jaded (and snarky) anarchist communists and libertarian marxists.
We also just purged everyone we don't know in real life from our region. We would appreciate that embassy.

“When we have each other we are never alone”

Communists for communist communism

1 year 244 days ago

er... autonomists marxists. (don't tell them i said libertarian marxists.)

Kryftland

1 year 244 days ago

"How much more democratic and revolutionary can the current constitution be made?"

"Now, it is one of the fundamental, inner laws of revolution that it never stands still, it never becomes passive or docile at any stage, once the first step has been taken." - Rosa Luxemburg

Mixolidian

1 year 243 days ago

Margaret Thatcher is dead, and even in death she polarisers opinion in the UK. But for me being on the left of the political spectrum, I hate the way she destroyed the manufacturing industries of the UK, destroyed the trade unions and bitterly divided our working class. She even deregulated the banking system in the UK which leads us to the economic mess we have to contend with today. And now our coalition government is going to spend lots of money on her full military honors funeral.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 243 days ago

I am interested in the UPFS' member nations views on the SC proposal to condemn The Officer Elections Whoooooo of Unibot III. Does anyone care to share their views?

Oric

1 year 243 days ago

Down with Maggie! Thank Christ the old cow is dead.

Oric

1 year 243 days ago

Also, that proposal fell flat, did it not?

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

Only thing you all seem to be interested in is shielding Unibot. If this region turns sycophant am definitely on my way out.

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

The proposal was truthful as were claims of Unibots manipulation over many regions and their involvement with each other. Unibot presents a threat to any international peace or order, as it will always be subject to his manipulation and personal rule.

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

That the condemnation proposal is losing votes, is likely because Unibots friends and clique have been hard-pressing to nix anything that'd make him look bad. That includes our impartial 'allies' at the DSA. Now perhaps you might disregard it and ask for 'others opinions' but thats the one that comes quickest and is easily facilitated.

The International Revolutionary of Prolesky

1 year 242 days ago

I Must agree with Braganza nova and I really hope UPFS is not infected by UDL's corrupted touch. I Really hope that. There is ongoing negotiations between The Internationale and Democratic Socialist Assembly as you very well know. If such negotiations are anyhow influenced or motivated by UDL, then IT MUST BE MADE CLEAR OPENLY AND PUBLICLY NOW, as such thing would immediately compromise whole negotiations and UPFS's role in it.

Do not ever betray Workers' Cause, Comrades. Never. UDL have done that several times.

Proletaurus

Post self-deleted by Skoalstraightius.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 242 days ago

Comrades, let's slow down with the accusations. We have had no relations with Unibot here, you know that Proletaurus.

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

The first was directed at DSA ambassador directly, as were the other statements it seems.

The case against the UDL involvement is a long one:
-The original Leftist Interregional, which would've facilitated any interregional disagreements being resolves, with security issues being resolved, with a genuine spirit of amity involved were truncated because the conditions placed on the interregional body by the UDL players who happen to be DSA players as well killed the group. The fact that we had to plan everything out with three weeks in advance to give congested dialogues time to root out, thereby killing the necessity, spirit, or motivation by the time things got discussed led to that period of dissolution.
-Secondly, it is unclear where exactly Unibot is a citizen of. His persona, that of chief of the UDL means that either the region United Defenders League, or Kyzikos would be his home region. The consideration of universal citizenship anywhere the UDL is extended, whether for reasons of defense and true genuine desire to protect, represent manipulation, self-aggrandizement, and infiltration of regions by his opinion and person outside of their proper channel and place, as leaderof Kyzikos/United Defenders League.
-Thirdly, the recent discovery of espionage by UDL leader follows in a long line of manipulative extensions made by this leader, and further goes along to characterize him as someone who accuses the revolutionary left of creating a state of invalid war, invasion, tension yet acts in accord with those principles hypocritically while calling us the abusers. This is also in a long line of actions considered acceptable by the UDL, so long as the person who did it is a long time game player and ensconced within the clique. Another example of this double-sided justice concerns New Bazlantis as well, who basically went rogue and vandalized another left wing region for their personal displeasure at its leader. If we consider order, peace, and justice to be important, and we don't hide behind these faded bourgeois icons like UDL does, why is the decision so hard to make to decide how we 'feel' about lies.
-Fourthly, his position and the refusal of the DSAssembly to discuss either Unibot, the negative assertions held by many- probably tens if not hundreds of persons, which in NS is a lot- and refuses also in character to adjust or reconsider any positions, any shaming by not having embassies with the largest communist and anarchist region, any directives led in the WA to clear up Unibots name or the name of 'defenderism', and not only that but not recognizing the abstractness of the 'defender/raider' paradigm in a socialist's mind.
-Fifthly, if such people were to have real positions, in the actual state of history and reality, they'd have achieved nothing. Even to gain the right to vote, to hold property etc people had to confront with violence and force solely to gain the most meager of gains. The system will give you nothing, your enemies wont remove themselves or change their mind because you do, and the world doesn't cease to have problems or need our help just because its easier to sit at home and write fake laws.

We ask for an earnest contribution to the development, security, and foreign affairs goodwill and solidarity between all left regions, and are against the manipulation of domestic regimes by the UDL paradigm and its 'ask for help now, give us a favor later' domestic attitudes. The UDL is not needed, so its opinion on interregional left affairs is both unwelcome, impossible to move beyond, and constantly vying for legitimacy with domestic projects. Its apparent policy, whether with the knowledge of all recruits or not, is to ignore issues of concern or displeasure, lie about defending fascist regions, claim the recent motion to Liberate NAZI EUROPE by removing password is 'abusive' action by the Security Council(a position echoed by some in the DSA).

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

Also, if the DSA's true intentions are peace with the Internationale, why does a post by the internationale, or an extension into a non-dominated region, that of Gay, why is that sabotaged by the DSA who also has nations in that region. What could you possibly have gained by denying them the ability to have an embassy with us? The UDL shows its true intentions, perhaps one day if this region is too critical of the UDL the DSA might feint another reason to ostracize you. Then any foreign initiative you make, will be followed by a counteraction by the DSA, who are ostensibly at peace, but engage in a cold war of sorts with their own Comrades!

Braganza nova

1 year 242 days ago

<who are ostensibly at peace, but engage in a cold war of sorts with their own Comrades!>

And all this is ostensibly to follow the higher purpose they engage in, which is not popular socialism but a personal clique around the one person who has stood between the Left and a safe, coordinated group of regions and persons, the same person who has for years engaged in the failed defense of our interests, who led to the state of war between us and the fascists long before anything the Antifa might've done, and when our regions fell years ago, and people left in disgust for CyberNations, all the crap rose to the top. Although in Unibot's credit, he's always been Mussolini of that place, never stepped down or done anything but ostracize and pontificate for years. Having had the displeasure of being in the organization, but never high enough to speak with his majesty himself, I can only say his presence is stifling as is any attempt by the roleplayers to dominate, destroy, and tell the genuine revolutionary socialist tendecy in what manner to authorize, conduct, and carry out its struggle. No more to domination!

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

In the same vein that Unibot had influence and positions in several regions, I am merely exercising my independent right to voice my opinion as a separate entity in UPFS. None of my rhetoric is condoned, authorized, or acknowledged necessarily by the Internationale. You should ask its delegate. In the self-same manner that it is ok for the UDL to have various people in various regions, I now consider it ok for TRF to also have such a relationship. As such, I take it as inappropriate that you involve the comments herein, on a third party region, and through what is technically a citizen, one time recruitment minister :)

Signed lovingly,
~Cuba

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

I am unsure why there have been attacks thrown at the DSA here. I asked a question to see how people felt, is that not appropriate for an ambassador to do? Any relations we have with the UDL do not reflect us as a region and certainly don't, or shouldn't, affect our relations with the UPFS. We in the DSA understand that these comments are not endorsed by the UPFS, but surely we have a right to respond.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

I would also like to say that the UDL has absolutely no control or influence on the DSA. We are our own region, with our own people. Yes, some of our members belong to the UDL, but that does not mean they control us. The fact that we are not hostile towards them should not draw attacks from people. Yes, Unibot resided in the DSA, but there certainly was not any 'conspiracy' to control us.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

The UDL favors something called a 'cosmopolitan' outlook does it not. Doesn't this mean then that everyone that is friends on the forums, freinds in your networks, that you endorse the idea that you can be a part of as many communities as you want. I am doing that. I have been a part of this community, so has Comrade Proletaurus through Crimson Cyborg. We're both as entitled to speak on the UPFS, from a place within the UPFS, as a valid argument. Also, you solicited the opinion. You didn't like the result, its not my issue. Lastly, its up the UPFS to decide how the UPFS feels, not the DSA Ambassador.

Signed lovingly,
~Cuba

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

Also, since UPFS members were on the frontline of the three battle for Pact of Steel, and also for thwarted Solidarity missions, they have a right to know the true nature and distinction of your relationship, and also of the fact that we may have at one time fought each other, members of the UPFS/DSA/and Internationale, on opposite sides of a raider/defender dichotomy imposed by yourself. If you've in the past acted as if we were at war, by volunteering in the UDL forces, or continuing to laud and eulogize the reprehensible Unibot then thats your own prerogative. It should at least be acknowledged then that your region has done these things, and then that these two provide reasons for this also being a UPFS issue. I can't provide proof of this because I don't take printscreens of our own ops or people involved, but there is a definite disconnect, between what the UDL upper echelon says and does and what the core members, maybe what is in your region, who don't know exactly that they're fighting comrades. You however know this, and disregard the fact that you did defend, by extension of being in the UDL, and also by extension of constantly defending it against any accusation, you directly acknowledge its existence by constantly making any attention called to it an issue.

Signed lovingly,
~Cuba

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

Did I not say I understand you do not represent the UPFS? I want to assure you that I am absolutely not trying to make decisions for anyone, I don't know why you made that assumption.

I can also assure you that there are no official relations between the UDL and the DSA. The DSA does not participate in the UDL's actions, but some members of the DSA do. We are a passive region that does not officialy support either side. We encourage diplomacy, and we should not be held accountable for that.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

<We are a passive region that does not officialy support either side. We encourage diplomacy, and we should not be held accountable for that.>

It shows real double standards then when you call the antifa 'thugs' yet eulogize Unibot and his actions as inerrable always. Both are conditions which do not mesh with the idea that you are impartial and officially support neither side. When the top echelon of always active, always cabinet players, always UDL, thats not an official stance but its a de facto one to any one with common sense to see through the lawyer prattle.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

And it is not that I dislike your opinions, I dislike the false accusations.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

<Did I not say I understand you do not represent the UPFS? >

Im a citizen of this region, was in the past, voted here even too. Whether you choose to acknoweldge that or not is your own issue once again. But shows the real 'impartiality' you are known for in the DSAssembly. I am to suppose you never meet on the forums of the UDL, if you're high up you never strategize, never. Aw shucks, I'm being to evil then, thinking you guys plan. You clearly are able to pull in volunteers in some numbers, that requires organization beyond this loose confederation of peace and love you're describing.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

Will you address the 3 pact of steels, the thwarted solidarity missions, regardless of whether the natives agreed with us or not, most of the time the natives to the founderless regions were half us and half UDL or FRA puppets. I'm to suppose its way out in the league of hysterical-paranoid-Cuba and his inventions and 'false accusations'? Why not address it for once. You danced around it enough times in enough regions.

Kryftland

1 year 241 days ago

I don't think this argument is conducive towards the reconcilliation of the DSA and TI, nor is it conducive towards any outcome at all. Yes these problems needed to be sorted out by talking about them, but not on the UPFS RMB (as this is the neutral mediator region) and not the exact same argument that has played out many times before.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

These issues keep resurfacing because the DSA refuses to respond to them anywhere. I'm personally disappointed in the 'diplomacy' which doesn't seek to make peace for substantial differences in actions and words by your government, whether its an official stance or not. I find it very convenient that one is only a citizen of a multi-regional network of democracy and friendship if one is ready and willing to agree. I wonder if my argument would be invalidated, as is technically my state of citizenship here, if I would have lauded Unibot, gave a short answer, and thereby invited the DSAssembly Ambassador to tell the region what to think. Seeing as the DSA Ambassador, the delegate of the Internationale (which all my puppets left and is techincally not my region).

These concerns are TRF-UDL, and seeing as the UPFS has volunteers in the TRF, had volunteers in the ops and missions I mentioned but are conveniently ignored...

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

Seeing as the DSA Ambassador, the delegate of the Internationale (which all my puppets left and is techincally not my region) have gone on to characterize the diplomatic talks as something the Internationale should have to approach for, state 'it shouldn't change regional governments by force of opinion or pressure', I responded here. If this is the region that is mediating they ought to know what both partner's full greivances are about each other. In that respect it should also note areas of overlap, and if it's own commitment to the process isn't compromised by your region not admitting certain conflicts with other Leftist regions through the prism of 'defensive' missions. I'm not claiming that all, or any UDL, simply because it has UDL members in the region, simply by the concerted effort you all seem to approach to control public opinion, then deny that its what you're doing. I've lost my patience with even my own old region's 'diplomacy', so I left. There is no position wherefrom you can invalidate this, unless you just want to ignore it as an inconvenient truth ever present.

Braganza nova

1 year 241 days ago

I'm not claiming that all, or any UDL, simply because it has UDL members in the region dominates it, it is based simply by the concerted effort you all seem to approach to control public opinion, the mockery with which you respond to legitimate claims, the legalese you use to try to cover up the impoliteness of a technical state of war, then deny that its what you're doing.*

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 241 days ago

I have no clue what you are talking about. On what grounds do you blame the DSA for hindering peace efforts with the Internationale? We are not ignoring any grievances. We are hardly even talking about grievances in the negotiation yet.

I also have no clue what you are talking about when yoy say we try to control public opinion. It seems to me that you consider the fact that we respond to attacks against us as an attempt to suppress opinions. That assumption is false. The DSA has every right to defend itself, and explain our stances to people who call us out. If anything, you yourself are hindering peace efforts, not the DSA. We have been nothing but friendly to the Internationale (unless we are bombarded with baseless accusations). In fact, I find Socialist Space Republic to be a very nice person who is eager to create peace.

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 240 days ago

On domestic issues pertaining to the UPFS...
What will become of the reforms, Wu wei shan?

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

How convenient to have no clue:

Here it is in condensed forms, for the last time:

TRF members here, I TRF member *beats chest*

I too Citizen of various left regions *beats chest* I also then have right to speak here yeah.

Second, your side has yet to address the 3 battles for pact of steel, the thwarted missions into comintern, leningrad, who knows how many countless other missions and attempts that you've collectively sh-t on, these being trans-regional forces, one of them then by virtue of even having one volunteer being the UPFS. IT IS a UPFS issue, I never wanted to call your region out on this openly like this, but you don't cease to rewrite history just like Unibot did in his epogee. Neither you, nor the too polite Delegate of TI SSR, or the misguided efforts of Comrade Prolesky, none of either side has adequately represented the cause in furtherance of a useless 'peace'.

You deny what isn't convenient, you only acnknowledge the polite. I cease to acknowledge either because anything that isn't a direct and truthful interpretation is BS either way, whether its coated in words that taste like vinegar or words that taste like sugar. I'm not going to placate you by endorsing your failed position, apologizing, or anything. Your region and government cover up a great deal of its involvement in the UDL because its a 'personal' involvement. In the self-same way that you.

As it concerns domestic issues, we change our vote to option 2, to write an entirely new constitution.

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Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I did so under the impression, that is to move away from the rhetoric, with the meaning that the Peace would mean something. The peace is perverse and even an insult to the original positions of the Internationale, let alone the TRF or the antifascist movement. That you ask hypocritically that we cease to maintain conduct in many regions, while you yourself avail yourself of the self-same benefit seems hypocritical. That you neglect to research and find with such great speed your involvement in the Pact of Steel fiascos, and in many other subversions of your own socialist neighbors, that's something altogether shameful as well. I'm not stopping, definitely not silencing myself because you post these. Unlike yourselves, my positions are malleable, they change from time, especially when people are lying/neglecting their involvement, lionizing the figure that championed the abuses and involvement, and then throwing it all onto myself. It must seem so easy, so simple, to blame the messenger, and not listen to the message.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I actually declare all of my alters too, in case you're trying to instigate it on that level. Unibot had some dozens of nations, all himself, and who knows how many alters. All the UDL higher echeclon also has dozens, if not dozens of dozens, in each region they've got members in. Writing constitutions a certain way, keeping the rhetoric on the 'evil thug raider menace', turning your armed forces and foreign affairs into something THEY negotiate in amongst themselves. The membership of the rest of the region falls in line cause it sees the major players, the older players, endorsing a certain opinion or idea. Its not paranoid conspiracy to state this.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

I propose that the UPFS endorse, and the TI also endorse a motion to include in the peace treaty, equal conditions of both partners. The statement that is in the peace thread itself implies that the Internationale does that(changes governments or pressures theirs somehow/maybe by telling the truth for a change), when in reality, it is the UDL that has its anchors in the region that does that. In order for me to stfu, you would definitely have to add to the conditions some kind of an acknowledgement for the mutual provocations, the ones you still engage in, that while covert and not nearly as direct and feiry, constitute continual ill will, subversion, and eulogy towards our enemy in the struggle towards socialist solidarity show bad form on your own end. Not to mention a very vocal member that calls for 'war with them Trots'. But that isn't mentioned is it?

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 240 days ago

I only arrived here in December, so I so not know of the battles you speak of, I apologize, but that does not give you the right to insult my intelligence. The government of the DSA is not covering up anything. The region has no connection with the UDL, except for the fact that some of our nations participate in it. I don't know why you can't accept that.

Braganza nova

1 year 240 days ago

If you're the ambassador, foreign affairs minister, and you're criticizing MY ARGUMENTS out of hand, its an insult to my intelligence, not yours. Its not my fault that the DSA hides its own shady business from its own, and its also not my issue that its an abstract point. Your leaders ought to know. Why not ask them?

Signed lovingly,
~Cuba

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 240 days ago

Whoa. I'm criticizing your arguments out of hand? I asked the people of the UPFS what there views where and you responded with verbal attacks on my region, and you're saying I'M out of hand? I am just defending my region. Also, the DSA DOES NOT hide anything from it's people. How would you know anyway? I don't need to ask my leaders, because I am the Secretary General of the DSA. I would know if there was any "shady business." I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here by saying the same thing over and over again, and you refuse to accept the truth. I am not insulting your intelligence, I am defending the region I reside in, and the people in it. If you can't accept the truth, there is nothing I can do.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
SECRETARY GENERAL of the Democratic Socialist Assembly
DSA Ambassador to the UPFS

Oric

1 year 240 days ago

Braganza, I'm going to have to ask you to calm down.

Kryftland

1 year 240 days ago

My economy has gone basket case! I think I will follow the CIL economic package. Also, returning to the matter in hand - what will happen with the reforms as there are a few people voting for each option. Perhaps due to a lack of consensus on the issue, it would be best to progress with amendments? At any rate we need to seize the moment and not let these proposals stagnate.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 239 days ago

@Kryftland agreed. It seems we've got our RMB back, if only for awhile.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 239 days ago

I want to apologize to the people of the UPFS for the outburst earlier. An ambassador should act in a better manner.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 239 days ago

No need for apologies comrade.

Wu wei shan

1 year 239 days ago

I apologize profusely for not being around the last couple of days as I was out of town. I will get caught up on this current diplomacy issue and back to UPFS business posthaste.

Wu wei shan

1 year 239 days ago

It is my decision that since the two parties involved have stated their cases, any further posts concerning the peace settlement - in the vein of the UDL involvement or the Unibotverse - constitute spam on this RMB and will be supressed. That is not to say I am taking sides or judging the cases, merely calling the thread "locked".

Personally, I find these last few days of posts informative and will quickly and eagerly state my personal loathing of Unibot's actions (the peace settlement originally included a statement of condemnation of his DSA puppet for interference, but I removed it so as not to jeopardize the process after Unibot claimed permanent DSA residency). I also supported the condemnation motion. That said, it is likely that most of the UPFS have no inkling or concern of Unibot or his antics - to answer your original query, DSA Ambassasor.

However, a continuance of the Braganza Nova-DSA Ambassador thread will have to take place elsewhere so we can have space to discuss regional business. I appreciate the fact that this peace process appears to have shaken up a hornet's nest and a lot of people are going to get stung, but we will have order and regional integrity on this RMB as of now.

Wu wei shan

1 year 238 days ago

Nominations Volunteers are open for Secretary of Recruitment

Embassy Vote: Union of Unions

So far there is one nation choosing option #1 (amendment), six choosing option #2 (new constitution), and three choosing option #4 (status quo).

I think it would be ok to start discussing/writing a new constitution with the eventual votes for adoption, as was done with the Second Constitution.

Kryftland

1 year 237 days ago

Union of Unions: We vote no
I won't be running for any secretary positions for a couple of months as I have exams IRL.

Wu wei shan

1 year 237 days ago

Would this be an acceptable constitutional compromise: create replacements/amendments for each section and vote on them one at a time (after suitable debate/discussion of course)?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 236 days ago

I would accept that Wu.

Nay to embassy with UoU.

Wu wei shan

1 year 236 days ago

No to Union of Unions, embassy fails.

Ambibia

1 year 236 days ago

Give me ideas here guys Im slowly running out of time for nationstates, something so I dont CTE or get bored

Oric

1 year 236 days ago

No to Union of Unions.

New canada

1 year 235 days ago

Nay to UoU.

Post self-deleted by Stovonia.

The United Socialist States of Stovonia

1 year 232 days ago

Nay to union of unions

The popular front

1 year 232 days ago

Nay to UoU

Kryftland

1 year 232 days ago

"I think it would be ok to start discussing/writing a new constitution with the eventual votes for adoption, as was done with the Second Constitution."
I agree Wu wei shan. Where to start?

Wu wei shan

1 year 231 days ago

I brought the old constitution to work the last couple of days to start overhauling a draft but haven't gotten around to it. I think the thing to start off with is the conversion to a committee system (from elected officers). I'm in favor of a few standing committees and the rest ad hoc. Also would be a review of the Peoples Referendum that are current, and The Free Land of Skoalstraightius should be finishing up that list, so as to incorporate the really important ones into the constitution new or amended.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 224 days ago

Sorry for the inactivity mates, had some trouble on the homefront. I'll be finishing the list soon.

Viradia

1 year 224 days ago

Ditto on Skoal, though I have no list to finish. I hope I can resume my activity in a few weeks or so.

Wu wei shan

1 year 222 days ago

Embassy
Communist Party of America

no from us

Wu wei shan

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day
Give a thought today to all those around the world who suffer as members of the working class and those that sacrificed in the Labor movement.

Also due to an extended trip, I will be ending my GenSec term a little early on the 6th and won't be running again. Any nominations and candidates please come forward now.

Kryftland

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day :)
No to Communist Party of America.
The term of the Secretary of Defence ends tomorrow (in case nobody noticed).
WWS, what are you doing on your trip? Anything exciting?

New canada

1 year 220 days ago

Happy May Day, comrades! I hope to be more active soon.

Also, no to Communist Party of America.

The popular front

1 year 220 days ago

Happy International Workers' Day Comrades! An no to Communist Party of America

Wu wei shan

1 year 220 days ago

Ah yes Secretary of Defense needs an election as well. Noms and candidates, please.

I'm going Kyoto, Japan for a long awaited vacay. The perks of having no children.

Kryftland

1 year 218 days ago

Hmmm, I'm seriously disturbed by the anti-immigration, xenophobic, nationalist storm that has being stoked up here in Britain after UKIP's local election gains.
Anyway, have a good time in Japan wu!

Mixolidian

1 year 215 days ago

UKIP are insane!! People don't know what they are voting for.

Wu wei shan

1 year 214 days ago

I will not have reliable access to NS for the coming weeks so my term is over. Skoalstraightius or someone else will have to run elections. Please unendorse me when a new GS is elected. Candidates for 3 offices are needed.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 213 days ago

Hello everyone! Sorry for the lack of contact, I've been very busy in the DSA. We are working on two new embassies!

Oric

1 year 210 days ago

Well, damn, I've been gone a long time

Ambibia

1 year 205 days ago

Uh..where am I?...have I been drinking again?... Who are you people?!

Mixolidian

1 year 201 days ago

looks like someone drank all the rum!!

Wu wei shan

1 year 200 days ago

I am back. Does anyone want to be a secretary anymore or should we start writing a new constitution already?

Helvygand

1 year 200 days ago

Hello everyone

Ambibia

1 year 196 days ago

I volunteer Wu, I haven't been as active as I should in the past couple months and this will give me a good reason, also I forgot to mention that this month marks my 1-year anniversary of joining nationstates!

Wu wei shan

1 year 196 days ago

I assume you mean General Secretary?

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 192 days ago

It is my opinion that your WA Delegate should be your General Secretary.

Kryftland

1 year 192 days ago

Ambassador, the WAD is the General Secretary. Quoting Article 1 Section 2 of the constitution: "The WAD will be known as the General Secretary of the U.P.F.S. in keeping with our secretarial wording."

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 192 days ago

Ok I only said that because you have a WA Delegate but no General Secretary

Wu wei shan

1 year 192 days ago

That is an artifact of no one annuoncing candidacy for GenSec and my term expiring. I requested that nations unendorse me when a new GS was elected. I am a lame duck caretaker WAD and will simply perform housecleaning until elections happen or some other development. This has never happened as long as I have been here.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 191 days ago

Ok I understand now

The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future

1 year 191 days ago

I haven't been able to participate in the region much this month and I see that we still have yet to elect a General Secretary!
I nominate Kryftland for the position.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 191 days ago

May I suggest that you guys start an Offsite Forum to hold your elections and all official government activities. It would make things a lot more organized and efficient.

Kryftland

1 year 191 days ago

Thank you for nominating me. Unfortunately I am busy with A Level exams until Friday 21st June, so for half of the term I will not be active, and I feel it would be wrong to accept the responsibility of General Secretary knowing I cannot commit to it.

Wu wei shan

1 year 190 days ago

Hard at work on new constitution. It's a lot shorter, and cooler too lol.

@DSA - we decided not to use off-site forums for official business.

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

Proposed 3rd Constitution here.

Please give comments not only to content but the writing as well. I am going over the People's Referendum to see which ones we need to keep (that weren't made obsolete or incorporated into new constitution) and I have found about 8. This is a chance for a fresh start incorporating the ideas we have been talking about the last few months. I really think this would work. There are some big changes so please read the whole thing before coming to conclusions.

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

sorry for bad link
viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23

Wu wei shan

1 year 188 days ago

I'm going to temporarily approve all embassies and we can sort out later if we want to keep them or not.

Pansocialist movement

1 year 188 days ago

While there is no legal WAD/General Secretary, WAD access to admin has been suspended for security reasons.

Wu wei shan

1 year 186 days ago

Please give me some feedback on the proposed constitution. Anything LOL!

Kryftland

1 year 186 days ago

Thank you Wu Wei Shan for taking the time and effort to draft a new constitution; I think overall it is well structured, clear and concise. The new system of government defined in this draft is in the spirit of the socialist revolution and embodies the principles of direct democracy and minarchic un-bureaucratic administration. I have to say at first I was very sceptical of the transfer of executive administration from the WAD to the Founder Committee, but acknowledging that they do not have autonomous authority, and accepting that the WAD game mechanics discriminates against non-WA nations, I have come to agree with the change. Below are a few observations and suggestions of mine:

Article 1 Section 1 does not make clear that the Founder Committee's powers are not autonomous. "The Founder Committee will have the following powers - the Founder nation shall be used to:" I would suggest replacing with "The Founder Committee shall administer the execution of the following powers as directed by the People's Referendum and Constitution:".

Regarding the World Assembly Delegate: are the executive powers disabled (as in the game mechanics)?

Article 2 Section 1: "The People's Referendum is defined as the legislative system of UPFS, in which all nations may submit a proposal to be voted on and passed through popular support." It might be worth stating that proposals are submitted to the Recording Committee who post the proposal using the Scribe; I think this is implied in other parts of the constitution but should be noted after this sentence for clarity.

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 1: "Timed voting procedure dictates that voting on a proposal ends at 7 pm ET, 2 days after the proposal or the most recent edit has been submitted." Why 7 pm ET, is that an arbitrary time? Why not simply: "...voting on a proposal ends 48 hours after the...". And similarly, "If new edits are submitted, voting continues onto the next day" for the sake of continuity could be "If new edits are submitted, the voting period is extended by 24 hours".

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 3: Titled "Amendments" should be "Constitutional Amendments" for the sake of clarity.

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure.

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.

Article 4 - The Committee System: The creation/dissolution of committees is defined but not the joining/leaving of individual members of that committee. I assume the idea is that UPFS Members can freely join and leave any committee (except the Founder Committee) which would be fine when there are multiple members, however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.

Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1: The sentence "External embassy requests shall be voted on by the Membership as well as internal requests to open or close an embassy." is out of place in this clause which is defining the Recording Committee. Perhaps a separate section on this including specification of how changes to the WFE and tags are decided.

Article 6 Section 1: "Invader nations are to be banned on sight." This implies that the Founder Committee has the power to banject anyone they deem to be an invader? Surely that leaves them free to ban anyone at their own will as long as they label them an invader.

Article 6 Section 3: "No law or proposal may hinder the rights of individual nations or groups of nations in the UPFS." This is contradicted by the other clauses stating that the right to vote and submit proposals may be revoked if convicted by trial.

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse. For example the roll call could be a very short time before the vote (who's to say whether its reasonable or not) and could be arranged so that only certain people are eligible to vote.

There is no clause on the judicial function of interpreting legislation, i.e. if there was disagreement over, for example, the meaning of a clause of the Constitution, who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?

'Member' and 'Membership' are written with a capital implying that 'Members' are differentiated somehow, but this is not defined. It also needs to be clarified whether a Member could have their Membership revoked by a trial verdict, or whether Membership is a guaranteed right.

As I say these are just suggestions and I may be misunderstanding some points, but I hope this helps. :)

Ambibia

1 year 186 days ago

^uhhh, yeah, what he said, overall it has very good structure...

Wu wei shan

1 year 186 days ago

tyvm Krftland I'll work on those edits after work today :)

Wu wei shan

1 year 185 days ago

I would suggest replacing with "The Founder Committee shall administer the execution of the following powers as directed by the People's Referendum and Constitution:".
fixed

Regarding the World Assembly Delegate: are the executive powers disabled (as in the game mechanics)?
yes

Article 2 Section 1: It might be worth stating that proposals are submitted to the Recording Committee who post the proposal using the Scribe;
fixed

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 1: Why 7 pm ET, is that an arbitrary time?
yes. it was in the old constitution and retained to provide a fixed point to make keep track easier. some proposals may thus get more than 48 hours but that worked ok in practice.

"If new edits are submitted, the voting period is extended by 24 hours".
they should get another 48 which is how we had done it before. low activity of this region has always leaned towards lax deadlines and at least a few days for people to log on. I don't think shorter times are practical.

Article 2 Section 3 Clause 3: Titled "Amendments" should be "Constitutional Amendments" for the sake of clarity.
fixed

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure.
not sure what is needed - will come back to this point later

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.
It is using the actual definition of "conspiracy" in that 2 or more nations were committing the same act in concert. That is precisely how it is meant to be take with regards to defendants in a trial. Existence of a conspiracy can only be supported by the evidence of the investigation. This only affects how many nations can be tried at once for the same "crime", plus, I think the fact that the determination is made by the S&I Committee virtually eliminates abuse. However the easy alternative would be to just strike everything after the word "time" and try everyone separately. BTW, we've never actually had a full trial here.

Article 4 - The Committee System: ... however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.
Excellent point. any suggestions? This would only affect the 4 permanent committees since the others are formed by vote and technically would be an "election". But your larger point is what is more important here. A line added that all committees must have 2 or more members or activity is suspended?

Article 4 Section 2 Clause 1: The sentence "External embassy requests shall be voted on by the Membership as well as internal requests to open or close an embassy." is out of place
moved to A6 S4 C1

Article 6 Section 1: "Invader nations are to be banned on sight." This implies that the Founder Committee has the power to banject anyone they deem to be an invader? Surely that leaves them free to ban anyone at their own will as long as they label them an invader.
Well it would have to be true, and invaders tend to be rather obvious. Not talking about spies or moles here, but actual invaders endorsing a point man. I would trust that the oldest members of the region would know how to recognize this...if not we can have training; however the chance of an actual invasion of a region with active founder(s) and no WAD access is in my experience infinitesimal. They couldn't even tag, and spamming the RMB is breaking NS rules anyway. So, there would be serious consequences to banning someone on spurious invasion grounds since it would be quite clear if an invasion was taking place for whatever reason. This merely gives someone the legal power to defend the region in the absence of an army, but I do appreciate your point.

Article 6 Section 3: "No law or proposal may hinder the rights of individual nations or groups of nations in the UPFS." This is contradicted by the other clauses stating that the right to vote and submit proposals may be revoked if convicted by trial.
A UPFS jury verdict is neither law nor proposal but an expression of democratic action (will of the people). I hope this doesn't strike you as weasel words but the difference is clear to me. BTW this is lifted from the current constitution.

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse. For example the roll call could be a very short time before the vote (who's to say whether its reasonable or not) and could be arranged so that only certain people are eligible to vote.
I purposely left this open for debate or later clarification by Peoples Referendum. What do you think we should add? 5 days like the amendment vote itself? sounds ok to me.

who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?
This is not a power I am comfortable with in the hands of anything less than the entire region. If it is felt that this needs language we can work on that, but I'm a bit stumped beyond asserting that the constitution should be as self-explanatory as possible to avoid such occurrences.

'Member' and 'Membership' are written with a capital implying that 'Members' are differentiated somehow, but this is not defined.
just stylistic - no differentiation exists - it simply means member nation.

It also needs to be clarified whether a Member could have their Membership revoked by a trial verdict, or whether Membership is a guaranteed right.
Article 6 section 1

Thanks so much for taking the time, Kryftland- your help is invaluable!

Kryftland

1 year 185 days ago

I have no argument with any of your rebuttals.
Regarding joining committees, I agree that it only affects the permanent committees, for which there are two options: as you say, there could be a minimum requirement of two members per committee; or, having a 'ratification' election, i.e. when a nation volunteers to a permanent committee, the region votes to approve or deny their position (and that could also apply even when there is more than one nation in a committee). I'm not sure which I think is the best option, although I think the first option may have problems in terms of a lack of activity/participation.
Regarding the amendment quorum, yes I think 5 days seems suitable.

Kryftland

1 year 182 days ago

Another thought, I think it should be added that a nation can be dismissed from a position on any committee (possibly including the Founder Committee) by a People's Referendum proposal.
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People of the UPFS, add to the discussion, make this your constitution!!!

Wu wei shan

1 year 180 days ago

Besides Kryftland, does anyone care anymore?

Kryftland

1 year 176 days ago

People are probably busy.

Kryftland

1 year 172 days ago

I will be back :)

Kryftland

1 year 171 days ago

I'm back, and it seems it didn't miss much, in fact I think I'm talking to myself. XD
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If anyone is alive here: On the matter of the draft constitution, I think I agree with Wu that a suitable resolution to committee admission would be to require a minimum of two members in each committee. To ensure nations cannot hold delegated authority without democratic support, I reiterate my suggestion that a clause be added "that a nation can be dismissed from a position on any committee (possibly including the Founder Committee) by a People's Referendum proposal."

Kryftland

1 year 171 days ago

Furthermore, as my last exam is tomorrow, I have much free time. Therefore I hereby volunteer to be General Secretary, so, Wu Wei Shan, could you start a vote on that - also I invite other people to run for General Secretary as well, so that it is not a one man race.

My election platform:
-To fulfill the responsibilities of the General Secretary the best I can.
-To start a recruitment campaign to increase the region's population and activity.
-To oversee the transition to the new constitution if it is voted through.

Wu wei shan

1 year 171 days ago

Thanks for stepping up Kryftland! Any other nominees/volunteers for General Secretary or any other office? I'll leave this open until tomorrow.

The popular front

1 year 170 days ago

I agree with the new suggestions for the constitution. I would like to nominate myself for the position of Secretary of Internal Affairs and Secretary of International Affairs.

Wu wei shan

1 year 169 days ago

You have choose one, PF. If it's Internal Affairs, then the WAD has to appoint you. However your IntSec nomination is accepted.
OPEN VOTE:
For General Secretary/WAD:
A. Kryftland
B. None of the Above

For International Affairs Secretary:
A . The Popular Front
B. None of the Above

Pansocialist movement

1 year 169 days ago

Communique from The DSA:
Hello, Comrades!

I am contacting the leaders of the regions that currently have embassies with the Democratic Socialist Assembly to inform you all that I have been elected Minister of Foreign Affairs.

I would also like to let you all know that we currently only have one active ambassador out of the four that we should (The Protectorate of DSA Ambassador to UPFSThe Protectorate of DSA Ambassador to UPFS, controlled by The Democratic States of WindportThe Democratic States of Windport). The other three will be arriving shortly as soon as ambassadors are appointed to those positions.

I am looking forward to working with all of you! :)

The Democratic States of The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Kryftland

1 year 169 days ago

Secretariat votes
General Secretary: Abstain
International Affairs: Vote FOR The popular front

Post self-deleted by New canada.

Wu wei shan

1 year 167 days ago

we vote for both candidates.

The popular front

1 year 167 days ago

General Secretary: Kryftland
International Affairs: Abstain

New canada

1 year 167 days ago

New Canada votes for both candidates.

The arctic proletariat

1 year 166 days ago

Comrades!
I've just arrived from International Socialists. I'm looking for a more active socialist region to be a part of. I consider myself relatively new to NationStates, and I'm excited to get more acquainted with the nations in the United People's Front and the site in general.

Kryftland

1 year 166 days ago

Welcome The arctic proletariat, you have arrived at an exciting time with a new constitution in the making.

Wu wei shan

1 year 166 days ago

Ok All WA nations please Endorse Kryftland.
Welcome new Secretaries!

Kryftland

1 year 166 days ago

Thank you everyone for voting for me, albeit as the only candidate :/ and congratulations to The popular front, our new Secretary of International Affairs.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 165 days ago

Comrades, I must apologize for my lengthy absence and subsequent CTE. I had some issues come up IRL that demanded more attention than I thought I was capable of. I would like to offer what assistance I can while I can.

Skoalstraightius

Kryftland

1 year 164 days ago

No need to apologise, RL is more important. If you would like to help then you could assist me with recruiting, or even nominate yourself for Secretary of Recruitment, as we are in dire need of a membership boost.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 164 days ago

I'll hit the recruiting trail tonight.

Kryftland

1 year 164 days ago

Please remember, everyone, to endorse me. In the mean time, the non-exec WAD will have to carry out actions on our behalf.
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I have asked Wu wei shan to be Secretary of Internal Affairs - as their experience and expertise nicely counter-balances my relative newness - and they have accepted. Therefore I happily announce Wu wei shan to be the new Secretary of Internal Affairs of the UPFS.
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While there was no General Secretary, the stand-in WAD accepted all embassy requests. Thereby the following embassies were opened without a vote:
-The True Communist Region
-Diplomatica
-The Red Workers Union
Please vote yes or no (or abstain) for each of these embassies to keep them open or close them respectively.
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A new embassy policy has been proposed by the Secretary of International Affairs as a guideline for opening embassies. Please vote on People's Referendum Proposal 109.
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I have put forward Proposal 110 to be voted on in the People's Referendum. I suggest placing a link to <www.marxists.org> in our WFE. Please visit this site even if you vote against, as it is an invaluable resource for all leftists.
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As I mention in the above post, the priority for our region at the moment will be increasing our membership and activity, therefore anyone volunteering for recruiting will be appreciated.
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Finally I ask for volunteers to step forward to fill the Secretariat vacancies: the Secretary of Recruitment and the Secretary of Defence.

Wu wei shan

1 year 163 days ago

Abstain on TCR embassy, no to the others.

No to Prop 109 - while we agree with the principle of carefully choosing embassies based on politics (and this has been done pretty consistently in the past), the proposal is a restriction on the democratic will of the members and therefore we cannot support it.

Yes to Prop 110

New canada

1 year 163 days ago

Yes to TCR embassy
No to Diplomatica embassy
No to RWU embassy

Yes to Prop 109, but with the recommendation that political freedoms should be taken into consideration with greater lenience. Many nations need tighter control of their political systems to quell reactionaries.

Yes to Prop 110

New canada

1 year 162 days ago

Additionally, New Canada volunteers for the position of Secretary of Defense.

Ndocciata

1 year 162 days ago

Yes to TCR, no to the others.

Yes on Prop 109, Yes to Prop 110

Ndocciata

1 year 162 days ago

If no one else wishes to take on the mantle of Secretary of Recruitment, I will do so.

Kryftland

1 year 162 days ago

Thank you for stepping forwards comrades. Judging by the fact that these positions have been vacant for a long time, I doubt there will be any more candidates; therefore I will begin elections immediately.

Secretariat Election:

Secretary of Recruitment
A- Ndocciata
B- None of the above

Secretary of Defence
A- New canada
B- None of the above
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Kryftland's votes:
TTCR - Yes
Diplomatica - No
RWU - No
Prop109 - I initially agreed with this policy but I partly agree with WWS's comment therefore I will abstain.
Prop110 - Yes
S.o.Recruitment - For Ndocciata
S.o.Defence - For New canada

New canada

1 year 162 days ago

New Canada's Secretariat Votes:
Secretary of Recruitment - Ndocciata
Secretary of Defense - Abstain

Post self-deleted by Ndocciata.

Post self-deleted by Ndocciata.

Kryftland

1 year 161 days ago

Vote results:
The True Communist Region embassy remains OPEN.
Diplomatica embassy will be CLOSED.
The Red Workers Union embassy will be CLOSED.
Proposal 109 is APPROVED
Proposal 110 is APPROVED

Secretariat elections are still open.

New canada

1 year 161 days ago

Will Prop 109 affect current embassies held by the Front?

Ndocciata

1 year 161 days ago

Secretary of Defense- New canada
Secretary of Recruitment-Abstain

Kryftland

1 year 160 days ago

New Canada, the Int' Affairs secretary will be proposing a list of embassies to be closed down soon, and these will be voted on. This was already part of their responsibilities as per Proposal 99, the only difference is that Proposal 109 will be used as a guideline to identify embassies for closure in a consistent and systematic manner.

New canada

1 year 160 days ago

Thank you for clearing that up, comrade.

Kryftland

1 year 160 days ago

Elections are now finished; New canada is the new Secretary of Defence and Ndocciata is the new Secretary of Recruitment.
Also a reminder that the Strength Through Unity Act requires that all WA nations endorse the General Secretary, and that all WA nations except the GenSec endorse the Secretary of Internal Affairs: Wu wei shan.

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Post self-deleted by Kryftland.

Kryftland

1 year 159 days ago

Ok everyone, prepare for a big vote!
Fulfilling their secretarial responsibilities, The popular front has finished a review of our current embassies, and has compiled suggested openings and closures.

Current embassies suggested for closure:
(Please vote 'FOR' to agree with closing the embassy, and vote 'AGAINST' to vote to keep the embassy open; or you may abstain.)
1- Leninist Russia
2- CCCP
3- The Sovereign Socialist States
4- Revolutionary Vietnam
5- Sucre
6 -Luanda
7- Paris Commune
8- China
9- Marxism
10- Regional Defense Committee
11- Union of Socialists

Embassy proposals:
(Please vote 'FOR' to vote for opening the embassy; and vote 'AGAINST' to vote not to open the embassy; or you may abstain.)
A- Social Liberal Union
B- The United Social Democrats
C- Anarchist Alliance
D- Anarchy
E- Anarcho Communist Hermit Society
F- Democratic Communist States
G- New Communist Region
H- The Soviet Bloc
I- The Communist Region
J- Alliance of Socialist States
K- The Alternative Left

Use the letters and numbers to save writing out all region names.
Let the voting begin!

New canada

1 year 158 days ago

New Canada Votes:
1. - For
2. - For
3. - Against
4. - For
5. - Against
6. - Against
7. - Against
8. - Against
9. - Against
10. - For
11. - For

A. - For
B. - Against
C. - Against
D. - For
E. - Abstain
F. - For
G. - Against
H. - For
I. - For
J. - Against
K. - Against

New canada

1 year 158 days ago

Attention, comrades!

This is your Secretary of Defense. This term, I plan to make a proposal to UPFS that clearly defines:

A.) A nation in need of liberation.
B.) A nation that presents a considerable threat to the peace.

With the enactment of such a proposal, we will be better able to determine the legality of a given conflict that the UFPS wishes to pursue. I am asking for volunteers to collaborate on this proposal in a committee. I am needing three or four other nations willing to participate with me in the committee.

Thank you for your time, comrades.

Wu wei shan

1 year 158 days ago

It is my duty to point this out RE conflict legality:

ARTICLE 6- On Voluntary Associations
SECTION 1- The Unity-Army
The purpose of the Unity-Army is to provide regional defense from internal conflict. The army is to consist of only WA members. Also, the leader and organizer of the army is the Secretary of Defense. The Secretary of Defense must report to the General Secretary, Secretary of Internal Affairs, and Secretary of International Affairs before any military actions are taken. The Unity-Army may be legally deployed in an ideologically aligned region that may have come under attack or is in dire need of defense.
CLAUSE 1- Voluntary Brigades
Voluntary Brigades are defined as groups of individual nations within UPFS that organize to liberate or invade other regions. Voluntary Brigades do not belong to the Unity-Army. Voluntary Brigades may be made by nations within the UPFS. The Voluntary Brigades do not represent the viewpoint of the UPFS. Members of Voluntary Brigades are considered volunteers and may be recruited within UPFS.

Votes:
closing - yes : 1, 2, 8, 9, 11 No : 3, 4, 5 ,6, 7, 10
opening - yes : A thru K except for No: F and Abstain: E (has a bad link)

Kryftland

1 year 158 days ago

Apologies, region E should be Anarco Communist Hermit Society.

Votes:
Closing: FOR-1-2-5-6-8-9-11 ; AGAINST-3-4-10 ; ABSTAIN-7
Opening: FOR-A-D-H-I-K ; AGAINST-B-F ; ABSTAIN-C-E-G-J

The popular front

1 year 158 days ago

The Popular Front Votes:

Closing: FOR 1-11
Opening: FOR A-K

Wu wei shan

1 year 158 days ago

yes to E

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 158 days ago

Kryftland! Congratulations on becoming Delegate! We in the DSA are very happy to see that you are doing well here in the UPFS! But that doesn't mean we don't miss you!

Congrats again!

- Terlibe

Kryftland

1 year 157 days ago

Thank you Terlibe, it's nice to see the DSA doing so well also.

Kryftland

1 year 157 days ago

The embassy review is complete.
The following embassies are being closed: Leninist Russia; CCCP; China; Marxism; Union of Socialists.
The following embassies will be requested: Social Liberal Union; Anarchist Alliance; Anarchy; Anarco Communist Hermit Society; New Communist Region; The Soviet Bloc; The Communist Region; Alliance of Socialist States; The Alternative Left.

A reminder for nations of the UPFS to volunteer to help the Secretary of Defence, New canada, to draft a proposal further defining the role of the Unity Army, within the limits of the Constitution. This is a good opportunity to test the voluntary committee system of government (as opposed to secretarial) in light of the third constitution currently being drafted.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 156 days ago

Thank you too, Kryftland.

Well, I'm off to do some diplomatic stuff with this puppet. Talk to you all later!

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 154 days ago

I volunteer for the Unity Army comrades.

Kryftland

1 year 154 days ago

Has anyone here read the New Internationalist magazine? I've read a couple of issues and it really seems to break the trend of the usual current affairs writing.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 152 days ago

I've read it in the past, always enjoyed it.

Wu wei shan

1 year 150 days ago

Went back and made some adjustments to the new constitution draft based on Cde. Kryftland's previous post: viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23

There is no clause defining an 'edit' or the edit procedure. (for proposals)
not sure what is needed - will come back to this point later
fixed

Article 3 Section 2 Clause 1: "Only one defendant may be tried at a time unless an investigation has determined a conspiracy to exist." 'Conspiracy' is too ambiguous and leaves this clause open to abuse.
fixed

Article 4 - The Committee System: ... however when there is only one nation in a committee, they would effectively be an unelected secretary.
Section 2 Clause 5 added

Article 6 Section 4 Clause 4: "A quorum will be determined by roll call a reasonable time before an amendment vote, only those answering the roll call will be eligible to vote, and that total comprises the quorum." 'Reasonable time' should be replaced with a specified or minimum time because otherwise the clause is open to abuse.
fixed

who would decide who was interpreting the Constitution correctly?
added to Founder's Committee duties

any other suggestions are welcome!

Kryftland

1 year 150 days ago

Embassy requests from Republic of Seychelles and Council for Mutual Economic Assistance have been rejected as they do not fullfil the requirements of the embassy policy.

Kryftland

1 year 149 days ago

People of the UPFS,
Recently, we sent out requests to the following three regions: The communist region, New Communist Region, and The True Communist Region. I apologise for the fact that I was not fully aware of the situation between these regions before putting them up to vote, however it now transpires that these are three factions of what used to be a single communist region, and that there is an active dispute between them. This would not be much of a problem if we successfully established embassies with all three (thereby not taking sides), however, the delegate of The communist region telegrammed me to say that they would deny our embassy request because we are building embassies with the New Communist Region. As it stands, we have an embassy established with The True Communist Region, we are currently building embassies with New Communist Region and are embassy request to The communist region has been ignored. On the basis that - especially as exponents of PanSocialism and left-wing unity - we should not involve ourselves in factionalism, myself and The popular front have agreed that we should consider cancelling all embassies and embassy requests with these three regions. Our reaction, as a region, however, will be decided by a vote - please vote for A or B or abstain.

-A- Embassy requests and embassies with the regions The communist region, New Communist Region, and The True Communist Region, will be cancelled.
-B- No further action should be taken.

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Kryftland votes A

Wu wei shan

1 year 148 days ago

B of the Three, The Communist region is the smallest. We should not get involved with other region's dispute except to respect the wishes of those who decline.

Vrazda

1 year 148 days ago

Greetings all. I am an alternate nation of the original founder of this fine region. Do not be put off by this nation's political affiliations, I am who many may know as The Geopolitical Manifestation of Undying Revolution. I am just stopping by to check on things.

If you will count my vote, I say B and echo the sentiments of my comrade Wu wei shan, one who was with me in the beginning if I recall correctly. It was I who brought PanSocialism to the forefront of this region and those beyond. The PanSocialist thing to do is to provide an olive branch to all advocates of our cause regardless of disputes that may be among them. It is more appropriate in this circumstance to consider mediation to mend their divides than to reject all hope of diplomatic relations. We must continue to operate in the way of the funtunfunefu-denkyemfunefu we have emblazoned on our flag.

Wu wei shan

1 year 148 days ago

Welcome Back U.R.

Kryftland

1 year 148 days ago

Welcome back to the region Undying Revolution! The situation with the communist regions is difficult for me because I know next to nothing about them and their issues, and as such I didn't want to stride head first into their conflict. However, I can see that cancelling embassies was perhaps the wrong approach; I felt this was the best immediate response because as it stands, we will effectively be rejecting The Communist Region's 'ultimatum' in favour of embassies with the New Communist Region, which could be viewed as taking their side in the dispute, thus it was for the exact reason of not wishing to get involved in their dispute that I thought it best simply to withdraw from the situation and then consider our options, including offering mediation. How could we offer neutral mediation if we hold embassies with one but not the other?
However, this is not my decision, but the region's; the vote will last another day. Considering your advice, WWS and Undying Revolution, I will change my vote to B and begin researching the situation more carefully.

Kryftland

1 year 148 days ago

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PLA China and CSSR were the two executives of The communist region, once upon a time, and they had a conflict of interest when CSSR got deleted and PLA evacuated the region. CSSR, now as World Wide Soviets, started New Communist Region because he believed he had the right to succession, and PLA China entrusted me to form this region because he believed he had the authority to do so. I sided with PLA China, not because it would make me founder but because I thought him better than CSSR.

However, this regional split made both sides hate each other and see each other as illegitimate. One day I realized that these were the same comrades of The communist region, simply split into different sides. I decided that this was the time the fighting stop and peace start - from then on I could never tolerate a faction among communists.

"Workers of the world, unite", indeed! For freedom!
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Well that's as good a start as any for understanding the situation, so I thought I would share it.

The popular front

1 year 147 days ago

The Popular Front votes A because only opening embassies with certain regions entails taking sides; although I do think it would be appropriate to offer some type of mediation capacity, if possible, to try to end this petty factionalism.

New canada

1 year 146 days ago

New canada votes for option A.

Kryftland

1 year 146 days ago

Apologies The Popular Front for changing my position after agreeing with you. Other than the advice of WWS and UR, there are several other reasons for changing my mind. Firstly I realised that the contention was primarily between the True Communist Region and the New Communist Region - both of whom we already have embassies established with; secondly, their genuine moves towards peace and hopefully reconciliation have changed the situation such that cancelling embassies appears to be somewhat an overreaction but also such that it becomes more possible for us to reattempt establishing embassies with The Communist Region; and thirdly that The Communist Region - the only region of the three which we do not hold embassies with - appears peripheral in the issue considering that it is being evacuated and its membership is now distributed between the other two communist regions.

Kryftland

1 year 145 days ago

The vote is now closed, a little late.
2 votes for A
3 votes for B
The embassies will remain open.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 144 days ago

Hello everyone in the United Peoples Front for Socialist!

I am here on another diplomatic tour! I hope everyone is well! If this is a bad time, just let me know.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Wu wei shan

1 year 144 days ago

Hi Cde Terlibe. Always a seat by the fire for you :)

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 144 days ago

Why thank you, Wu Wei Shan! It's nice and toasty! ;P

Kryftland

1 year 143 days ago

Ndocciata was recently elected Secretary of Recruitment. After a postive start, they stopped responding to my telegrams. Wu Wei Shan warned them that they must respond or be charged with dereliction of their duties. Without any message to myself or our region, Ndocciata has departed. Needless to say that they have forfeited their secretariat position. It is a sad day to lose a comrade from our community in such a manner, but nonetheless I wish them the best of luck with whatever they plan to do next, and I would like to say that we harbour no bad feelings for them and they are always welcome in the UPFS.

However, we must move forward. I appeal to every member of this region: volunteer for Secretary of Recruitment, step forwards to take responsibility for this most essential task. No matter whether you have experience, all I ask for is dedication.

New canada

1 year 143 days ago

That's quite unfortunate. My experiences with Ndocciata were only pleasant.

Kryftland

1 year 142 days ago

Is anyone here involved in communist/leftist activity outside of the internet?

New canada

1 year 142 days ago

I've been involved with many of the demonstrations organized by the Chicago branch of the USA's Party for Socialism and Liberation.

Our country does not have nearly enough leftists.

Kryftland

1 year 142 days ago

Good work New Canada. I am wanting to get involved with real-life communist activism but there is little opportunity for me living in the highly conservative south of England. Communists here are mocked as either fringe lunatics or naive idealists; voting for a party other than the main three is considered radical, which about says it all; and finally, Britain is so politically apathetic that even the revelations of en masse government surveillance of the population provoked little more reaction than a few days of complaining. I was hoping to join a communist/socialist party/group but the myriad of organisations is confounding, and I can't establish a true measure of which ones are genuine because they are all trying to undercut each other. It truly disillusions me to see a few dozen different communist groups squabbling other who's following the 'true path' and sneering at each others organisational failings... meanwhile the conservatives are deconstructing the welfare state, slowly torturing to death any proletarian solidarity while they crush them below the bread line and simultaneously driving forward their economically neoliberal and politically nationalist agenda. Just viewing the state of the left on NationStates makes me sad - we are so atomised that there must be more leftist regions than there are actually leftist nations, alongside the futile factionalism that plagues NS in a cruel incognizent caricature of real life - The DSA and Internationale in a cold war, The Communist Region in itself divided into three factions disputing leadership (ironic for people holding communist ideas). Workers of the world unite!... we may dream.

New canada

1 year 141 days ago

Communists in the USA aren't much better off to be completely honest. Our entire population is divided between two parties that act like socialized medicine, gay marriage, and abortion are the only issues in existence. Communists are generally seen as traitors, lunatics, murderers, etc. Not only that, but the Communist Party USA openly backs imperialistic neoliberalism, so we don't actually have a sizeable group to rally behind. I have to agree with you on the state of the left. We just need to get over petty differences and unify as a class. We can overcome the red scare over the general populace once we overcome each other.

Kryftland

1 year 141 days ago

The CPUSA supports imperialist neoliberalism? Why?

I found this summary of far-left groups in Britain: http://bit.ly/199Dg77
I count eighteen groups. I don't know if there are any British communists here who can advise me on which group to join.

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

The CPUSA publicly backed the platform and campaign of Barack Obama.

Also, I know comrades in the CPGB-ML and it would seem that despite their idolization of the DPRK, they are the closest party the UK has to a firmly Marxist-Leninist party.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

Are there any CPUSA members currently in any level of government?

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

There's no one outside the Democratic, Republican, or Libertarian parties in the US gov't.

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The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

What about in state and local governments?

New canada

1 year 140 days ago

There are very rare occasions when third-parties are elected to local governments.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 140 days ago

Hm. Interesting. You'd think there would be a community or two out there that would favor a third party.

Wu wei shan

1 year 140 days ago

It would be a cold day in hell before a communist was elected in the US.

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 139 days ago

Personally, I'm perfectly fine with that. However, I'm surprised there aren't communities that lean towards a different third party.

Wu wei shan

1 year 138 days ago

I believe there are some Greens holding office here and there. But rather than claim a party and/or take a stand, most politicians prefer to call themselves "Independent". Like Bernie Sanders.

New canada

1 year 138 days ago

He's likely the farthest left member of the senate, which is unfortunate because he's barely center-left.

Kryftland

1 year 136 days ago

Government Announcement

I have added Proposal 111 to the People's Referendum.
PR Proposal 105 currently allows the WAD to initiate a vote on a WA resolution, and themselves vote according to the result. This proposal, number 111, extends the right to initiate such a vote to every member of the region, and further clarifies the procedure.
In this way I believe Proposal 111 consolidates the WAD's WA vote as being under the authority of our region's direct democracy.
I believe it is right to subordinate the WAD's personal vote under direct democracy because their vote affects not only the result of the WA resolution, but also affects our regional image, and more essentially because the WAD is representing the views of WA members endorsing them - and symbolically representing the views of the entire region - when they cast their vote.
"There is no matter of regional functionality that is above democracy. The very tenets of direct democracy are to forever pervade the agenda of the UPFS."
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I would like to remind everyone that the position of Secretary of Recruitment is vacant. Any volunteers for the position should nominate themselves as soon as possible.
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Embassy requests from 'ALBA' and 'Council for Mutual Economic Assistance' were rejected, as they did not comply with the first requirement of our Embassy Policy (P109).
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Another reminder that the Third Constitution is still being drafted. Please take the time to read through it and suggest any corrections, additions or deletions. The Third Constitution can be read here: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=244531&sid=4a63e56b6ada33a7210844bae73511ad

New canada

1 year 136 days ago

New Canada votes yes on Proposal 111.

Wu wei shan

1 year 135 days ago

If WA members are allowed to vote for the WA response, they are in effect voting twice (or at least able to vote twice). That's why only non-WA members were included in that resolution. However, I think the WAD can do what ever it wants with its vote.
We applaud the intention of expanding democracy. Yes to 111.

Wu wei shan

1 year 135 days ago

* should read "WAD response"

Kryftland

1 year 133 days ago

I vote for Proposal 111.
The voting time is now over, Proposal 111 is passed.
Once the current resolution votes have finished, anyone may now request a World Assembly Referendum.

The popular front

1 year 133 days ago

I vote for Proposal 111; sorry I am late

The foreign diplomat of terlibe

1 year 133 days ago

I am sorry for the abrupt departure but this puppet is needed immediately.

Thank you all for your hospitality!

Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DSA

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New canada

1 year 132 days ago

Farewell, Terlibe!

Ambibia

1 year 131 days ago

I really need to stop being "that guy"

New canada

1 year 131 days ago

Oh, Ambibia. I don't think you're "that guy." I love you just as much as I love the rest of the Front.

Wu wei shan

1 year 130 days ago

lol Ambibia - do tell what you did this time

Ambibia

1 year 126 days ago

nothing much, just need to get more active, just stop drifting in and out... maybe i should roleplay something...

Kryftland

1 year 126 days ago

The embassy request from the region Council for Mutual Economic Assistance was rejected for not complying with requirements 1 and 2 of the Embassy Policy.

Reminders:
-We need a volunteer for Secretary of Recruitment
-The Third Constitution (viewtopic.php?t=244531&f=23) is still being drafted, so please review and respond.

Kryftland

1 year 126 days ago

Every time I'm on the forum reading threads related to socialism, I just read comment after comment of people making strawman arguments against communism. Things like: 'under communism you have no freedom, you are forced to be equal' or 'everyone would be equally poor' or 'a doctor would earn the same as a cleaner', and so on and so forth. It truly infuriates me. So I was thinking of writing up a rebuttal of all these strawman arguments for the forum, and I thought it would be better if it was a joint effort. Is anyone interested?

Kryftland

1 year 125 days ago

Sorry for the triple post.
I propose opening embassies with:
-The Proletariat Coalition
-United Socialist Republics

I vote for both, obviously ;)

Wu wei shan

1 year 125 days ago

I gave up trying to have discussions about socialism/communism on the forums.

Yes to both embassies.

New canada

1 year 125 days ago

New Canada votes yes to both embassies.

Kryftland

1 year 124 days ago

On second thoughts I don't think I will bother with the forum idea, it would probably not be worth the time.

Wu wei shan

1 year 123 days ago

The next issue is regarding The Left Interregional, and more specifically the Regional Defense Committee. I mistakenly suggested that we would have to quit the LI to join this alliance, when in actual fact we only need to quit the Regional Defense Committee, the military division of the LI. I think we are all agreed we would like to quit the RDC in favour of this new defensive alliance, although obviously it would be decided by a vote.

According to V Ming there is new leadership at the RDC, and they are involved in the same action I (with the Red Fleet) am over at Axis Nations Alliance. In light of this, I say we remain in the RDC, at least until SSR's proposal becomes more concrete, and in the meantime improve the communications process.

Right now, the Defense Secretary has a regional puppet there and theoretically would let the UPFS know about any operations. Not only does this not appear to be happening, but it seems inefficient as well. I propose that any player wanting to be notified of RDC actions send a telegram (like I did) requesting that the two currently in charge, Rodong 1 and Danadea the wild, add you to their dossiers for future TG notification, along with pertinent information to confirm your identity as not a Nazi spy.

Wu wei shan

1 year 123 days ago

7. Medals
While looking through the NSWiki, I noticed the medals/ribbons/awards. If someone could take it on themselves to update the honor roll then I'm sure it would be appreciated be everyone. This task probably fits into the responsibilities of me or Wu Wei Shan.

The medals thing was a lark of mine some time ago thinking the region would enjoy getting decorated like the old Soviets. It didn't appear too many others but me we interested so I stopped keeping up on it a long time ago. What does the region feel about it?

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

I'm not really bothered about the medals much myself, but seeing as they were there and legislated for, I assumed it would be necessary to keep them updated.

On the matter of the Regional Defense Committee, I can only assume there has been an almighty communications failure. I quite understandably thought the LI and RDC were inactive and at a dead end. There has been no significant activity of the RMB's of the LI or RDC for about half a year, I have not been contacted by anyone regarding either organisation since I became General Secretary (or at all), and when I enquired with the CPNS WAD about the status of the LI, I was ignored. Next thing I know, and the RDC is involved in military action in the Axis Nations Alliance, which I only learn about because Wu Wei Shan happens to be there with a different organisation. What exactly is going on here? Please, someone tell me!

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

I'm really quite bothered about the LI. This is ridiculous.

Kryftland

1 year 123 days ago

Both embassies pass.

I have posted the following message on the RDC RMB: page=rmb/postid=3683348
If I am not responded to very soon I will start a vote to leave the RDC.

Wu wei shan

1 year 122 days ago

The LI and the RDC are run by different people if I remember correctly. The LI has been pretty inactive, and keeping tabs on them falls under International Secy. duties. The RDC is the military wing of the LI, which recently became active but used to be run by V Ming, and falls under the duties of Defense Secy. Yes, communication has been bad. It appears our membership has been largely symbolic for a long time so we can all decide how we want to move forward.

Kryftland

1 year 122 days ago

So...
-The LI and the RDC are independently governed.
-The LI is mostly inactive.
-The RDC has recently become active, and is currently deployed on a military operation in Axis Nations Alliance.
-The RDC has deployed on a military operation without contacting one of its member regions (us).
-Neither the LI or the RDC have contacted us at all since I have become GS, and who knows how long before that.

If the LI is inactive, and the RDC are deploying on ops without even telling us, what is the point of our membership? I don't think 'symbolic importance' is a good enough justification in what is supposed to be a revolutionary movement.

What does everyone else have to say about this?

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Wu wei shan

1 year 121 days ago

OK I read the poopstorm over on RDC's RMB. Everything can be fixed by following the "TG to leadership strategy" I explained above and/or making the Secretary of Defense , ahem New canada!, alert to their responsibility to check in on the RDC regularly. I recommend staying in the RDC at this time.

As for the Left Interregional, staying will only be useful if we plan on regularly checking on them with the International Secretary puppet, ahem The popular front! If we choose to leave we should make sure to build embassies with each member region if we haven't done so already. Personally I would rather stay in both.

Kryftland should not have to do all this work himself. If you hold a secretary position by gum you should be performing the duties, and if you don't know them, ask. Kryftland, you as WAD can delegate duties to secretaries and whoever else you please if things get overwhelming. All of the members of both regions are old comrades of the UPFS and maybe the tone got a little too harsh. First Nations, where Danadea the wild hails from, was a welcome surprise to last year's LeftExpo and their involvement with leftist causes is a boon. The mutual inactivity of both us and them has caused a lot of stagnation and oversight, but these are easily fixed and no bridges need burned.

For the record, since they were both brought up in discussion, Bagong hukbong bayan and Baarle-hertog h-23 are both my puppets.

Kryftland

1 year 121 days ago

Yes, the tone had become too harsh, and I've tried to bring the discussion back to a reasonable level. I do not wish to burn bridges. You are correct, from here we can now easily fix the situation. I am still very concerned that we had been effectively excluded, but it seems circumstance was most at fault.

Kryftland

1 year 120 days ago

General Secretary elections!

My term as UPFS General Secretary will be ending on 14 August. Here is the timetable for the change:
9th-12th: Nominations
13th-14th: Elections
15th: New General Secretary term begins

I will not be running for re-election, so we need new candidates!

Wu wei shan

1 year 119 days ago

I'll volunteer if no one else steps up.

Post by Boycott sochi 2014 suppressed by a moderator.

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 117 days ago

I formally nominate Wu wei shan.

Kryftland

1 year 117 days ago

The UPFS General Secretary elections are now officially open! (23:30 GMT 12.08.13)

Please vote for:
-Wu wei shan
-None of the above

Voting will end at 23:30 GMT on 14.08.13

Kryftland

1 year 117 days ago

I vote for Wu wei shan.

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 116 days ago

I deeply apologize to all of you in the United Peoples Front for Socialism for the ceasing to exist of the Ambassador. The DSA is taking all of the appropriate actions to get you a new Ambassador as soon as possible!

Until then, I will be acting as Ambassador if that is okay with all of you.

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Democratic Socialist Assembly

Kryftland

1 year 116 days ago

Welcome back Terlibe.

New canada

1 year 116 days ago

New Canada votes for Wu Wei Shan.

Kryftland

1 year 115 days ago

The vote is at an end:
Wu wei shan is elected the new General Secretary of the United Peoples Front for Socialism!
Congratulations!

Everyone please endorse Wu wei shan (once they have rejoined the WA).

Kryftland

1 year 115 days ago

Dear comrades of the UPFS,

Kryftland is leaving NationStates for good. I have had a great time here at the United Peoples Front for Socialism, and I hope this region will reach the greatness it deserves. I have made some friends here, who I am sad to say goodbye to, but I wish you the best of luck in NS and in real life - you are true comrades. Make sure that the third constitution is not lost to time, and hold true our principle of direct democracy and socialist solidarity. I want to finish on a little text I wrote regarding the recent fascist offensives:

We've got a war to fight, not of conquest but of fortitude. The forces of oppression stand at our gates, galvanised by wanton destruction, while we stand asunder... fall asunder.

Their power is born in annihilation, and therein lies a fatal weakness, for humanity naturally despises its own undoing, while regarding no less than communistic liberty and equality universal, the desire for which transcends all tendencies, and resolves our diversity into unity.

So long as each individual campaigns for a corner of the circle, the forces of fascism and tyranny may reign supreme. But at the feet of the power of the masses united, the last agent of inhumanity will lay down their sword, and we shall proclaim the ideal anarchy complete.

Guard the fire of PanSocialism.

In solidarity,
Goodbye from Kryftland / Nydasica / Tawkania

Wu wei shan

1 year 115 days ago

Wise words, comrade! Best of luck in your future endeavors and we'll be here if you ever decide to come back or say hi.

Unfortunately I made a stupid mistake volunteering for WAD, as my WA status is off bashing the fash for the Red Fleet. I will not be able to re-join the WA with Wu Wei Shan for the forseeable future. Hopefully someone else will step up and give it a whirl. I do offer my services as Internal Affairs Secy. to whoever does and will be more than happy to help someone new learn the ropes. That said, if anyone tries any monkey business, I'm real tight with the Pansocialist movement and he'll be more than ready to square things away.

New canada

1 year 115 days ago

Farewell, comrade.

You will be sorely missed, but we shall persevere.

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Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 115 days ago

Godspeed, Kryftland!

You will be sorely missed by all here in the UPFS and in your former region, the DSA. Personally, I am very sad to see you go!

Good luck!

-Terlibe

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 113 days ago

Sad to see Kryftland go. Godspeed comrade.

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Ambibia

1 year 112 days ago

Since when am I WAD?

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 112 days ago

Since you have the most endorsements Comrade!

Ambibia

1 year 111 days ago

well alllllllrighty then!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 111 days ago

Well I guess that calls for a "Congratulations," Ambibia!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 108 days ago

Good news!

The Foreign Ministry of the DSA has appointed a new Ambassador to the UPFS! They will announce themselves on the RMB with this puppet once they get situated.

Of course, this means I will not longer be acting as the interim Ambassador.

It has been a pleasure serving you for this short period of time! I'm sure I will talk to you all soon! :)

The Democratic States of Terlibe
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the DSA

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 107 days ago

We'll miss your service The Democratic States of Terlibe. You're always welcome back!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 107 days ago

Hello!

I am Free world alliance, DSA's new Ambassador to the UPFS. I am very excited to have this job; to be like a link between two great regions. Even though it's my first job as an Ambassador, I hope everything will work out and I will try to do my best.

I believe we can work together as friends. I am really happy to be here, in your community and I hope I suit in. I can't tell you yet, how good I am and I can't tell you, if I'm as great as The Democratic States of Terlibe, who held this position for the short time here and did a great job, but I can tell you, that your region is amazing and I hope I am amazing enough to serve as the Ambassador to this region.

Now a bit of myself, or actually, about my nation. The Free World Alliance is a somewhat democratic nation, though actually, the system/form of government is a bit more complicated. We believe that all citizens of the nation should have great civil rights, but most of all, we want to achieve world peace (though it's not most likely to succeed). We want to have a safe, compassionate nation whose people care about each other.

Sincerely,
Free world alliance
DSA Ambassador to UPFS

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 106 days ago

WelcomeFree world alliance! I'm sure you will fit in well here. Many members of our region are attending other duties or on leaves of absence so are activity is not at its peak. If you have any questions feel free to ask away.

Ambibia

1 year 104 days ago

Welcome! we look forward to your diplomacy!

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 104 days ago

Thank you for the warm welcome! I am looking forward to working together with you.

Ambibia

1 year 102 days ago

My fellow Comrades,

Over the past year of playing nationstates, it has been a great honor to call this my home region. I have enjoyed working with you, debating, and solving dilemmas for the good of our fellow comrades across NS. I have been able to share timeless memories during our heydays as a region. Sadly, I feel though, that the time has come for me to strech my wings and fly from this nest onto somewhere more active as a region. I am hereby suspending my term as WAD starting 24 hours from now in order to move out of the region and onto one that I find will better suit my playing experience. It has been great working with you, comrades.

May the Struggle for PanSocialism continue!

-Ambibia

Dsa ambassador to upfs

1 year 102 days ago

It's sad to see you leaving. But well, if that's your choice, then may you find a place that suits your needs! On the behalf of Democratic Socialist Assembly, I wish you good luck!

Sincerely,
Free world alliance
DSA Ambassador to UPFS

The Free Land of Skoalstraightius

1 year 101 days ago

Wish you well Ambibia. It seems our region has come to the point of inactivity that is close to death. Enjoy yourself, comrade.

Wu wei shan

1 year 101 days ago

Due to recent events here in the UPFS, I would like to open the topics of either closing down the region or seeking a merger with one or more of the regions we have an embassy with. While everyone has their own playstyle, the vast majority of nations remaining are either inactive or have never been heard from since joining. I am reasonably sure we have been infiltrated for some time. Political activity is at a standstill. There aren't a whole lot of good signs at all.

Anyone have anything to say on this?

Pansocialist movement

1 year 101 days ago

Secretary of International Affairs has become vacant due to inactivity. Anyone wishing to fulfill the duties please make yourself known.

Iconoclastic carbon

1 year 98 days ago

Comrades I ask you to re-evaluate your relationship with DSA. To me it seems obvious that a Comrade region of TRF would have problems with this statement below:

This post can be found on CIL's RMB:

" Ahem........ UDL member here that helped pull your collective asses out of the fire, remember? Just because a few UDL'ers happen to reside in the DSA, does not make the DSA a UDL supporter. The UDL is an unaffiliated organization, with ties to NO region. By that stretch there are over 200 regions that support the UDL. Are they all against you as well?

The UDL unequivocally defends anyone. Commie, Fash, Dictator, Raider, Pacifist.

While I can't fully speak for the UDL or it's operations, if you really want to know so much about them, join us in the UDL. You might see, were actually not all that bad. I on the other hand as a charter member of the DSA, WILL defend it's actions. " - UFoc UDL puppet of Alberrta

Best Wishes,

Casita

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

Personally, I wish the DSA would boot any UDL member caught defending fascists. This should be included in any peace agreement. It sticks in my craw that the DSA carries the Anti-Fash tag but allows fash defenders to live there. One or other should go.

That said, I wish the Internationale (where a puppet of mine has lived for a while) would stop mining other regions' RMBs for the Outrage d' Jour, even if for a little while. Their anger is engulfing an ever increasing number of regions who are guilty of nothing more than being friendly with other leftist regions.

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

via Ambibia

I would suggest you and a couple other coming with me in my new region, The Next Generation Alliance. The group is multi-political, very active, and tons of ways to get involved.

A possible new home if anyone is looking.

Iconoclastic carbon

1 year 97 days ago

How else am I supposed to prove the connection?

Is DSA really a left region?

No one on TI has lashed out on any other region for being friendly with other left regions.

I think it's time to send a message that fash appeasing will not be tolerated and if a region decides to appease then, so be it, but why should comrade regions fight to keep relations with such a region?

I don't see why it is a big deal to stand together, at first, I thought our comrade regions would be more than happy to join TI in a symbolic stance against the fash appeasing 'left' that is the DSA. Now, I'm confused.

So I ask you Comrades to consider closing embassies with the DSA.

Best Wishes,

Casita

The Protectorate of The Special Envoy of Terlibe

1 year 97 days ago

Comrades,

The DSA stands by you, and will continue to stand by you. We absolutely want our embassy to remain open. However, in the unfortunate event the UPFS does choose to close embassies with the DSA, make it because you want to, not because of the wishes of someone else.

We apologize this TI-DSA conflict has spilled over here. The DSA understands it does not involve you, and that you should not have to choose between the DSA and TI. Both embassies should remain open, and everything should go back to the way it was. There is no need for this bickering.

I also want to take this time to say that if this region does close down, the nations of the UPFS are more than welcome to come to the DSA. Just make sure you have civil rights and political freedoms above 'average.' The current qualification is 'good' but a new Charter is in the process of being created, and part of it is that we are lowering the requirement to 'average.'

Thank you all, and I apologize if I am intruding.

Your friend and former ambassador,
Terlibe

Wu wei shan

1 year 97 days ago

Does anyone have anything to say concerning the embassies with The Democratic Socialist Alliance and the Communist International League?

The United Savannah of Giraffe Republics

1 year 96 days ago

Does anyone mind if this non-diplomatic puppet of mine resides here?

- Terlibe

Wu wei shan

1 year 95 days ago

Comrades
I did what I thought was right. I apologize for any hurt feelings. My time here is at an end, and perhaps the region's as well. Farewell and good luck.

Yours for Socialism
WWS

Kryftland

1 year 71 days ago

"Men be better and more surely knit together by love and benevolence than by covenants of leagues, by hearty affection of mind than by words."
The fire of PanSocialism will reawaken in the UPFS. In our hearts we are united by the desire for world of liberty and equality. Only in unity can we stand up to the forces of capital.

Major Events

99 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
161 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
165 days ago: Embassy closed with The Internationale.
335 days ago: Regional Founder The Free Access Society of PanSocialist Movement ceased to exist.
1 year 22 days ago: Embassy closed with The Red Fleet.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Anarchist Alliance.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Alternative Left.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The True Communist Region.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Paris Commune.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with First Nations.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Sucre.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Luanda.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Sovereign Socialist States.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Democratic Social Union.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist Beach.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Regional Defense Committee.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist International.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Left Interregional.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Proletariat Coalition.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with CSSR.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Revolutionary Vietnam.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Globalis Politica.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Angola.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with New Communist Region.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Coffee House.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with International Socialists.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Union of Communist Republics.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with The Communist Party of NationStates.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist International League.
1 year 84 days ago: Embassy closed with Anarchy.
1 year 87 days ago: Perezonia removed as WA Delegate (reign: 18 days).
1 year 96 days ago: Embassy closed with Democratic Socialist Assembly.
1 year 105 days ago: Perezonia elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign after 13 days).
1 year 119 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending Kryftland's reign after 44 days).
1 year 123 days ago: Embassy opened with The Proletariat Coalition.
1 year 152 days ago: Embassy opened with New Communist Region.
1 year 154 days ago: Embassy opened with Anarchist Alliance.
1 year 155 days ago: Embassy closed with Musical socialism and communism.
1 year 157 days ago: Embassy opened with The Alternative Left.
1 year 157 days ago: Embassy opened with Anarchy.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Union of Socialists.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Marxism.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with China.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with CCCP.
1 year 158 days ago: Embassy closed with Leninist Russia.
1 year 161 days ago: Embassy closed with Diplomatica.
1 year 161 days ago: Embassy closed with The Red Workers Union.
1 year 164 days ago: Kryftland elected WA Delegate (ending Wu wei shan's reign after 151 days).
1 year 174 days ago: Embassy closed with The Union of Nations Against Fascism.
1 year 177 days ago: Embassy closed with United Socialist Republic of Indonesia.
1 year 188 days ago: Embassy opened with The True Communist Region.
1 year 189 days ago: Embassy opened with Diplomatica.
1 year 189 days ago: Embassy opened with The Red Workers Union.
1 year 235 days ago: Embassy closed with Rejected Communists.
1 year 246 days ago: Embassy opened with Musical socialism and communism.
1 year 265 days ago: Embassy closed with Krandovia.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Green Anarchy.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Eurasian Economic Community.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with The united armies of anofel.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Zenland.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with International League of Communist States.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with Communist commonwealth.
1 year 275 days ago: Embassy closed with The Evil Empire.
1 year 276 days ago: Embassy opened with Globalis Politica.
1 year 282 days ago: Embassy closed with Syndicated Red Black Tendencies.
1 year 288 days ago: Embassy opened with Coffee House.
1 year 293 days ago: Embassy opened with Rejected Communists.
1 year 316 days ago: Wu wei shan elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign).
1 year 316 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future's reign).
1 year 317 days ago: The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future elected WA Delegate (ending Pribram's reign).
1 year 317 days ago: Pribram elected WA Delegate (ending Ambibia's reign after 54 days).
1 year 322 days ago: Embassy closed with New China Politburo.
1 year 333 days ago: Embassy opened with Green Anarchy.
1 year 338 days ago: Embassy opened with Zenland.
1 year 338 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist commonwealth.
1 year 344 days ago: Embassy closed with Maoism third worldism.
1 year 362 days ago: Embassy opened with Union of Socialists.
2 years 4 days ago: Embassy opened with The Left Interregional.
2 years 7 days ago: Ambibia elected WA Delegate (ending Pribram's reign after 17 days).
2 years 16 days ago: Embassy opened with United Socialist Republic of Indonesia.
2 years 24 days ago: Pribram elected WA Delegate (ending The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future's reign after 36 days).
2 years 25 days ago: Embassy opened with Regional Defense Committee.
2 years 30 days ago: Embassy opened with Marxism.
2 years 32 days ago: Embassy closed with IMCWP.
2 years 38 days ago: Embassy opened with IMCWP.
2 years 43 days ago: Embassy opened with Eurasian Economic Community.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The united armies of anofel.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with CSSR.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with International League of Communist States.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The Evil Empire.
2 years 51 days ago: Embassy opened with The Communist Party of NationStates.
2 years 52 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist International League.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with China.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with Paris Commune.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with The Internationale.
2 years 54 days ago: Embassy opened with Syndicated Red Black Tendencies.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with First Nations.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with Democratic Socialist Assembly.
2 years 55 days ago: Embassy opened with International Socialists.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with The Union of Nations Against Fascism.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Sucre.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Luanda.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Revolutionary Vietnam.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with The Union of Communist Republics.
2 years 56 days ago: Embassy opened with Maoism third worldism.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with New China Politburo.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Angola.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with The Sovereign Socialist States.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist International.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with CCCP.
2 years 57 days ago: Embassy opened with Antifa.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Communist Beach.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Krandovia.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with The Red Fleet.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Democratic Social Union.
2 years 58 days ago: Embassy opened with Leninist Russia.
2 years 61 days ago: The Transparent Democracy of The Electronic Future elected WA Delegate.
2 years 61 days ago: Region founded by Pansocialist movement.

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