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The Democratic Republic of Estononia wrote:To be blunt, I'm vehemently opposed to the resolution in question on grounds both practical and philosophical. That latter are most easily explained. "CONFIRMING the right of member nations to possess and use nuclear weapons in warfare..." This contention flies in the face of over 50 years of nuclear disarmament efforts. While such a statement may be gleaned from various WA resolutions, the overt validation of a right to the use of nuclear arms is outright dangerous.

Now to my practical objections. "UNDERSTANDING that nuclear weapons are an integral part of some nations deterrence strategy...": This statement is, at best, muddled. Though is it factually accurate that some nations maintain a nuclear arsenal at part of an overall security policy, the use of said weapons is far from a given. In this sense the author of this resolution clearly misunderstands the nature of the word, "deterrence." Possession of these weapons is intended to create the fear that the may be used. All nations who currently maintain them understand that their actual use is a lose-lose scenario for all involved. For further information I recommend research into MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction theory.

Furthermore, "ALSO REALIZING the potential threat posed to civilians caught in the blast effects of nuclear detonations..." profoundly underestimates the potential impact of the use of nuclear arms. Even a small-scale use of nuclear weapons poses significant disruption to the worlds food supply, thus clearly threatening far more people than those within the blast radius. Irradiated dusts and prevailing winds are also capable of spreading the destructive effects far beyond said areas. In the event of a large-scale attack, the prospect of nuclear winter is a global threat that cannot be measured simply by where the bombs fall.

"DEEPLY ALARMED that international law permits civilians to be targeted by nuclear weapons..." frankly seems an absurdly blatant attempt to whitewash the impact of the use of nuclear arms as outlined in the above paragraph. Further language in the resolution that I'll refrain from quoting also nullifies the impact of such an acknowledgment. As an example, exempting the targeting of strategic placements near populations is an inherently flawed. Industrial centers are, by need and definition, both strategic targets and populated.

In summation, I find this resolution to be a dangerous in all cases. A responsible Assembly cannot validate the use of and WMD. Misconstruing deterrence for use is reckless at best. Minimizing the impact of the use of nuclear weapons is an endorsement of ignorance on the matter at hand. No regulation of their use can minimize or render acceptable the use of nuclear force. While the world is working toward a nuclear weapon free world this resolution is nothing less than an attempt at normalizing not just proliferation but use as well.

I strongly encourage all WA members to cast a vote against this measure. I'm willing to believe that the author and supporters mean well, but its language and stipulations come from a place of profound ignorance.

To be perfectly honest, part of the reason I left my old region was because they started throwing around nukes, superweapons, orbital bombardment, and armed spaceships around like snowballs at civilian targets. (Well, the other side did. My side ended up getting attacked on all sides by a belligerent superpower and our former allies. Our former allies couldn't even understand the term 'self defense' and attacked us because the other members of my alliance fired on someone because they were in their space and were in an attack posture but I digress.)

I have a good idea. Let's save all of the highly destructive space weapons for when we really need them. You know, for big things like when someone drives a tractor onto the highway.

Why use a space weapon when you can teleport the tractor away.

I've always wondered why teleporters weren't used as weapons. It would be so simple to just shift somebody's internal organs half a metre to the left.

The Democratic Communism of PDHTN wrote:I've always wondered why teleporters weren't used as weapons. It would be so simple to just shift somebody's internal organs half a metre to the left.

My guess is that it isn't worth the energy spent to do that. Especially since EVERYTHING screw up the transporters.

Though, you could always beam the target and NOT rematerialize them.

Just think about it though. All you'd need to do to kill a planet's population is to gather together a number of starships which could have multiple warp cores each, for power. Teleport the first couple of layers of atmosphere off the planet, and everyone on the planet is screwed. Alternatively, you could teleport a couple tons of antimatter into the planet's core and watch the fireworks.

The Democratic Communism of PDHTN wrote:Just think about it though. All you'd need to do to kill a planet's population is to gather together a number of starships which could have multiple warp cores each, for power. Teleport the first couple of layers of atmosphere off the planet, and everyone on the planet is screwed. Alternatively, you could teleport a couple tons of antimatter into the planet's core and watch the fireworks.

... I think you have a bit of issue with your scaling and the limitations of transporters. A couple miles of granite is enough to ensure a transporter won't work under most conditions and a lot of heavy metals can interfere. Plus even if you could beam in the antimatter, the amount you'd need would be MASSIVE. An ounce of antimatter annihilating an once of matter yields only about a megaton of force. You'd need to be in the teratons minimum to blow up a planet.

As for the 'beam away the atmosphere', it's just not that effective in terms of energy use verse just bombing the planets. In 'A Call to Arms', a joint Romulan Tal-Shiar and Cardassian Obsidian Order task for of seventeen ships were ably to destroy 30% of a planets crust on the opening volley.

((Sorry to be a buzzkill, but someone has to do it.))

I know its annoying, but farmers need to move their tractors somehow. Farms are all spread out now. If the farmers had transporters, that would solve a lot of problems, both with moving the tractors and the food.

Transporter seem like a little too good of a weapon, at least on a small scale. A suspect there may be rules against using them as a weapon, but you would think we would still be non-Federation members and pirates using them as weapons.

The Federal Republic of Stjerne wrote:... I think you have a bit of issue with your scaling and the limitations of transporters. A couple miles of granite is enough to ensure a transporter won't work under most conditions and a lot of heavy metals can interfere. Plus even if you could beam in the antimatter, the amount you'd need would be MASSIVE. An ounce of antimatter annihilating an once of matter yields only about a megaton of force. You'd need to be in the teratons minimum to blow up a planet.

As for the 'beam away the atmosphere', it's just not that effective in terms of energy use verse just bombing the planets. In 'A Call to Arms', a joint Romulan Tal-Shiar and Cardassian Obsidian Order task for of seventeen ships were ably to destroy 30% of a planets crust on the opening volley.

((Sorry to be a buzzkill, but someone has to do it.))

I wouldn't be so quick to discount it. Assuming the teleporters use quantum entanglement, the teleporters wouldn't need to do a thorough job. All they'd need to do to remove the atmosphere is couple the particles, thus destroying the originals. It's true that it would require a lot of power, but hey, what are warp cores for?
As for the antimatter plan, that would be trickier, I think. I assume that the teleporters would be advanced enough to at least make it a good distance into the planet. I find it hard to believe that miles and miles of orbital debris and atmosphere would have no effect, just for some rock to bounce the signal back. It's true that it might not reach the center, but it would be far enough in to cause severe damage.
For both plans, keep in mind that the teleporters wouldn't have to manage everything all at once. They could do it in chunks for the same devastating effect.

The Democratic Communism of PDHTN wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to discount it. Assuming the teleporters use quantum entanglement, the teleporters wouldn't need to do a thorough job. All they'd need to do to remove the atmosphere is couple the particles, thus destroying the originals. It's true that it would require a lot of power, but hey, what are warp cores for?
As for the antimatter plan, that would be trickier, I think. I assume that the teleporters would be advanced enough to at least make it a good distance into the planet. I find it hard to believe that miles and miles of orbital debris and atmosphere would have no effect, just for some rock to bounce the signal back. It's true that it might not reach the center, but it would be far enough in to cause severe damage.
For both plans, keep in mind that the teleporters wouldn't have to manage everything all at once. They could do it in chunks for the same devastating effect.

I'm not saying that it isn't impossible, but it is very inefficient compared to existing weapons.

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